I really disliked “the Suicide Squad.” A lot. So, if it was like that (and I already wasn’t interested in these characters being together) I’m not optimistic. I’m glad you guys enjoyed it so much. Hopefully, it’s very successful. Everything doesn’t have to be for me.
UA-cam wanted me to see this again, I guess. So, I’ll note that a reason I disliked Suicide Squad, besides a longstanding distaste for what I call “the goofening” of comic book movie properties, is that it, again, wasted really thoughtfully-created characters by talented writers, like Gail Simone’s Savant, for a really really silly couple of jokes. Seeing Bereet (sp?) in GotG was kind of cool. But she was brought up just to be thrown away. And there’s a similar trend wrt casting. The overall tone of Gunn’s work often represents what I find problematic and what devolved the Transformers franchise under Michael Bay. Camp was one thing. This (the thing about which I am b!tching) is something else altogether. So much worse.
@ yep. There’s that camp+. I wasn’t a big fan of the GotG film initially. But it had enough impressive moments (and I’m a 3D nerd) for me to purchase and rewatch it. Upon rewatches, I tend to shed the expectations from the initial viewing somewhat and have a better chance of just enjoying whatever it is for …whatever it is. That happened with GotG. I stopped caring that they seemed to have made a massive leap from antagonistic reactions to each other to suddenly being a family. I grew to love certain moments and the music. So, that was mostly a success. I had low expectations for GotG 2 and it exceeded them, with fun moments and interesting reinterpretations of characters …amidst some silly 💩. I found GotG 3 to be awful and yet I bawled watching certain parts of it. So, I can’t say Gunn doesn’t have the ability to ground the foolishness. But he pushes it too far for me, far too often.
@ responding in chunks so I can review the comment to which I’m responding without losing everything I typed so far. I didn’t find the blending of GotG with the rest of Infinity War to be too distracting or problematic. I was actually shocked that it worked as well as it did. It helped that they were shown to be both capable and bungling. Star Lord’s f-up was galactic in scale. Universal, even.
@ yeah. You’re helping me recognize the similarities between Gunn’s themes and humor and that of the Deadpool franchise. I …enjoy things within Deadpool films but not usually Deadpool himself. Some 4th wall breaking can be amusing or clever. There’s just that 14-year-old’s influence that takes it too far. As before, I can’t speak to this animated feature’s tone - not what it is nor what it should be. Good luck to all concerned. But Superman or the JL being that goofy is hard to swallow. Maybe Gunn will leverage the more extreme silliness through the best characters (like a Plastic Man kind of character) while keeping others in their best lanes and it’ll be a triumph. That would be great. And it would have to turn me off terribly for me to never ever see it. There are few superhero/comics films that accomplish that. Joker and its sequel are the only ones I can think of that I haven’t watched even once. Maybe I’m missing something.
@ I can’t say you’re wrong. And if I don’t dig the music and the moment, it’s possibly worse, but I will be forever grateful that Gunn exposed me to the mf’ing Mac. I knew next to nothing of their work prior to GotG 2.
@@westmcgee9320 Gunn typically uses humor and quirky tones for C- or Z-tier characters like Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad, where the stakes are lower, and the audience expects fun. But with Superman and the Justice League, it's different. These aren't characters you can approach with a comedic, irreverent tone-they carry the weight of their legacy. Gunn understands this distinction, and while he might infuse some modern elements, he'll stay true to their core themes of hope, leadership, and heroism. The goofy trope is reserved for characters who thrive on chaos and charm, not the pillars of the DC Universe.
I really disliked “the Suicide Squad.” A lot.
So, if it was like that (and I already wasn’t interested in these characters being together) I’m not optimistic.
I’m glad you guys enjoyed it so much. Hopefully, it’s very successful.
Everything doesn’t have to be for me.
UA-cam wanted me to see this again, I guess.
So, I’ll note that a reason I disliked Suicide Squad, besides a longstanding distaste for what I call “the goofening” of comic book movie properties, is that it, again, wasted really thoughtfully-created characters by talented writers, like Gail Simone’s Savant, for a really really silly couple of jokes.
Seeing Bereet (sp?) in GotG was kind of cool. But she was brought up just to be thrown away. And there’s a similar trend wrt casting.
The overall tone of Gunn’s work often represents what I find problematic and what devolved the Transformers franchise under Michael Bay.
Camp was one thing. This (the thing about which I am b!tching) is something else altogether.
So much worse.
@ yep. There’s that camp+.
I wasn’t a big fan of the GotG film initially. But it had enough impressive moments (and I’m a 3D nerd) for me to purchase and rewatch it.
Upon rewatches, I tend to shed the expectations from the initial viewing somewhat and have a better chance of just enjoying whatever it is for …whatever it is. That happened with GotG. I stopped caring that they seemed to have made a massive leap from antagonistic reactions to each other to suddenly being a family.
I grew to love certain moments and the music. So, that was mostly a success.
I had low expectations for GotG 2 and it exceeded them, with fun moments and interesting reinterpretations of characters …amidst some silly 💩.
I found GotG 3 to be awful and yet I bawled watching certain parts of it.
So, I can’t say Gunn doesn’t have the ability to ground the foolishness. But he pushes it too far for me, far too often.
@ responding in chunks so I can review the comment to which I’m responding without losing everything I typed so far.
I didn’t find the blending of GotG with the rest of Infinity War to be too distracting or problematic.
I was actually shocked that it worked as well as it did.
It helped that they were shown to be both capable and bungling. Star Lord’s f-up was galactic in scale. Universal, even.
@ yeah. You’re helping me recognize the similarities between Gunn’s themes and humor and that of the Deadpool franchise.
I …enjoy things within Deadpool films but not usually Deadpool himself. Some 4th wall breaking can be amusing or clever. There’s just that 14-year-old’s influence that takes it too far.
As before, I can’t speak to this animated feature’s tone - not what it is nor what it should be. Good luck to all concerned.
But Superman or the JL being that goofy is hard to swallow.
Maybe Gunn will leverage the more extreme silliness through the best characters (like a Plastic Man kind of character) while keeping others in their best lanes and it’ll be a triumph.
That would be great. And it would have to turn me off terribly for me to never ever see it. There are few superhero/comics films that accomplish that.
Joker and its sequel are the only ones I can think of that I haven’t watched even once. Maybe I’m missing something.
@ I can’t say you’re wrong.
And if I don’t dig the music and the moment, it’s possibly worse, but I will be forever grateful that Gunn exposed me to the mf’ing Mac.
I knew next to nothing of their work prior to GotG 2.
@@westmcgee9320 Gunn typically uses humor and quirky tones for C- or Z-tier characters like Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad, where the stakes are lower, and the audience expects fun. But with Superman and the Justice League, it's different. These aren't characters you can approach with a comedic, irreverent tone-they carry the weight of their legacy. Gunn understands this distinction, and while he might infuse some modern elements, he'll stay true to their core themes of hope, leadership, and heroism. The goofy trope is reserved for characters who thrive on chaos and charm, not the pillars of the DC Universe.