All the Metropolis scenes were filmed in Milton Keynes in England, about 30 minutes on the train from London, but also a million miles away. I think the set-dressing budget stretched to a fire hydrant and a hot dog stand.
@@prodigioussapsAlso, the scene with the arms dealers features not one, not two, but THREE Lex Luthors - Hackman, Cryer (from the CW Supergirl), and Porkins himself, William Hootkins. Hootkins played Lex in the BBC Radio adaptation of the early Byrne stories, The Adventures of Superman, which I beg you to check out.
@usernameinfo4therevenge I remember going as a kid and in those days the cinema was always packed so not suprised. It made $30 million worldwide on a $17 million budget. Superman the movie though grossed $1.4 billion worldwide (adjusted for inflation), so still the most successful film!
It's not that she remembered everything always, it's that when he revealed himself as both Clark and Superman her memory of when happened was restored...and then by him kissing her again her memory of it was clouded once again
The Subway scenes were shot on the London underground and the exterior scenes of the Daily planet and the United nations,were filmed in Milton Keyns in the UK.
All of the Christopher Reeve films were made in England-that's why the kid in the town Zod attacks has an English accent, despite supposedly being the Deep South. And a mistake British people notice in the UN scene is that, instead of "United Kingdom", "England" is written on the name plate(England being one of the four countries that make up the UK).
Does anyone notice in the Hair hanging from the Weight scene right after Luthor breaks the glass the base of the case under the ball is strategically removed so it drops in to make it seem as if its heavy! Never seen it pointed out in all the breakdowns but once you see it you cant unsee it!!
Darkseid of the moon does NOT mean that it never sees the sun. It just means it is always facing away from earth because the moon is tidally locked to earth. It can definitely see some sun. Having said that, there is no way of defending lV.
I've never seen it confirmed anywhere, but I think Cannon's deal was that they had the rights to the characters who appeared in the Superman films, but not any other characters who appeared in the comics. It would have made sense to have Superman battle Bizarro instead of Nuclear Man, because it is canon in the comics that Luthor was connected to Bizarro's creation. It still would not made the movie any better, but I would have enjoyed it a little more.
Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) is very active when it comes to talking at fan events. He also did a recent one with Superman 2 Villain Sarah Douglas. The movie let them down, but he is a great person and is proud to be part of the superman fandom.
41:58 I always thought that Lois’s memory must have come back to her little by little over time. Why else would she hand a letter to Clark that was addressed to Superman?
I had never seen this in the theater back in 87. My younger brother went to see it at he kinda told me about it. I bought the 5 movie DVD set featuring the 4 Reeve movies and Superman Returns. I watched it after watching your breakdown video today. I tried watching it on DVD a couple of years ago. But, the low budget effects were so bad, I turned it off eventurally. It is pretty funny to wince at the cheesy effects and the lack of everything here(plot, writing, budget, effects). Thanks for this comical look back at this crazy thing.
There is a deleted scene of a deathly ill Clark collapsing in his kitchen, before we see him desperately going to the deus ex machina (good thing he kept it at Clark’s apartment and not the fortress). The implication is that Clark is dying from radiation poisoning - the makeup is supposed to present an advanced case of this with his hair falling out and so forth, but it’s not done that well. For viewers who weren’t alive during the ‘80s or were too young to remember, this film came out during the height of the AIDs epidemic. Superman falls seriously ill after physical contact with someone and the illness quickly weakens and deteriorates him to the point that he’s a shadow of his former self. The writer of the movie said this parallel was unintentional but it really stands out in context. I also agree that the scene between Clark and Lois is really good. I have defended both Superman III and IV as bad Superman stories that nonetheless feature Superman. Despite the far greater budget, Man of Steel and Batman v Superman don’t feel like they feature Superman as a character I recognize.
Yeah, thanks for that -- neither of us watched the cut scenes for this review so we were just guessing in some places. It's puzzling to me that they cut so much from the film. The goofy first Nuclear Man stuff I get, because it was just painfully unfunny, but they also cut a lot of other stuff that I think would have made the film a bit more cohesive. Also totally agree with your last paragraph there. Superman in BvS especially seemed very uncharacteristically petty and cruel in the way he treats Batman at first.
@@prodigioussaps From what I’ve read, they butchered the film in order to cram in more screenings during the first weekend as they expected it to flop.
I wish they knowing this was the last Superman with Christopher Reeve that it had continue with Lois and Superman relationship from 2 and not have him erase her memory
As a proud representative of the society of advocates of sound effects in space, I think the shutting of the shuttle door took nothing away from an otherwise excellent film!
Yeah, those were minor nitpicks to be sure. Superman shutting the door I think was acceptable anyway, since you could maybe argue that's what the cosmonauts heard inside via reverberations throughout the hull. I would never go too far down that nitpicky road, because I would never argue against all those glorious sound effects in Star Wars, for example.
This film is so shoddy that they didn't even bother to put a wig on Gene Hackman, so this is the only Superman movie to feature a Lex Luthor with hair.
@Adarkane325xi That last comment was a joke. Yes, Lexxe Luthorberg technically counts, but I had erased him from my consciousness. Thanks for making me relive that. 😝
I’ve always respected that Michael Rosenbaum shaved his head for 7 years when playing Lex on SMALLVILLE. Previosuly, John Shea, Sherman Howard, and Gene Hackman would never go that far. I think Rosenbaum’s “reward” was that he maintained a full head of hair well into his 50s.
Brendan: you'll probably get this comment a lot, but do continue with the Superman and Lois series! Tyler is definitely my 2nd favorite Superman after Chris, because he exhibits so well the HUMANITY of Superman, which is heightened by the family dynamic that we haven't seen before in live-action.
I watched Superman 4 on VHS went I rented it from the video store. The first time I watched this movie, I thought Nuclear Man was a part of Superman's rogue Gallery. I thought the costume and his music was cool, I even thought there was an action figure out there for that character, just didn't know where to find one. I still watch it as I got older and then started to question things like y'all said about the crystal and am just like, so that means Fortress of Solitude is done or something. And they still do the kissing whip memory thing. I like the action between Superman and Nuclear man, even though some of it wasn't good due to VFX.
I love the reviews on the Christopher Reeve movies and respect peoples opinions. I went to see this with my dad in the uk at the age of 8 after the long wait after 3 so I've always had a soft spot for it got the poster magazine, straight to the video shop to rent it on release I'd love to see it have a full uncut release one day. RIP the one and only Superman!.
Please watch the DVD one more time, but with the audio commentary by one of the writers Mark Rosenthal. He gives some very interesting inside info about what went down with this film.
I have been waiting for this episode guys and it was worth it. 😂 I wish there were more crazy Super sequels now. Had forgotten Mariel Hemingway was in this.😊
Great video! If you're down on Sidney J. Furie, I highly recommend one of his earliest films, The Ipcress File with Michael Caine. It's incredibly tense and visual, and his direction will blow you away. It's sad how poor Superman IV is, but what I find interesting is it does have its heart in the right place which is more than you can say for Superman III, and it flirts with superhero revisionism. The idea of Superman policing the world and learning the error of his ways is a good idea to explore, but the film wastes that potential.
Fun conversation, the kind I love to have and listen to. I was like 2 years old when this movie came out, and I watched Superman II like a million times before I saw this. I was about 5 or so at the time I did see this, so while I could maybe tell that it was different in some way, I couldn't really tell why. I could probably say to myself, 'this looks different' (poor cinematography/budget) or 'this feels different' (poor writing). Anyway, thanks for the fun!
Someone restored footage of the wall scene with the red and blue streaks reconstructing the wall then using heat vision to fuse or cure it instead of wall vision. It looked a billion times better.
Oh wow, I'd like to see that! Unsuprisingly, that is actually how it was scripted... I went and found the script after we recorded this, and it was supposed to be him rebuilding it at super speed with a blur of motion.
Yes, his name is Aaron Price. This is the remastered Great Wall of China scene Aaron came up with: ua-cam.com/video/rgUgdpP_2K8/v-deo.htmlsi=Cf3wO3AGxTJYvlvo It is much better. What Aaron is doing to improve Superman IV is a credit to him. More people need to see his work.
@@prodigioussaps No problem. Thanks for your take on all these movies. While I do not agree with everything you guys say, it is clear you both have a love for Superman and want to see him done the best he can be in that moment in time. Thus why Superman 3 & Superman 4 are so problematic. I recommend taking a deep dive into all of the videos of Superman 4 on UA-cam from @APRICEPRODUCTION. You will like what you see, as some of your criticisms of the Theatrical cut of 4 are rectified. All videos are impressive, even the trailer for his cut of the movie leaves a better impression than anything from what Cannon produced.
I found your discussion around Bizarro to be very interesting. I tend to agree that the Nuclear Man we got, versus what he was meant to be like, means Bizarro might have been the better character to see in Superman 4. I was wondering, have guys looked into the “Superman and Lois” TV series? I cannot see that you have. It was an impressive show, with some great acting, special effects and they did a good take on Bizarro. Would be interested to get your take on that show.
I have watched a lot of it, and Brendan is in the process of catching up with it now. I really enjoyed their take on Bizarro and the Bizarro dimension… not a big fan of where he wound up in the last season, but overall I thought that was a really cool reimagining of the character.
@@prodigioussaps Thanks Chad. Hopefully you guys get around to looking at the show. I still have the final season to watch and while some of the supporting characters are not as compelling, Superman and Lois are well developed and acted characters. Tyler Hoechlin is a good Clark Kent/Superman, but just as impressive Bizarro.
@@petersarubbi With all due respect dude, no way is it better than MOS. IMO, MOS is underrated. I suppose that I would watch SIV over the butchered theatrical versions of the latter two movies.
Okay in the Superman 2 the Richard Donner cut Superman spin the Earth back then he also goes back to the diner and humiliates the guy that beat him up if Superman had done that how would the guy even remember him or was it a way for Superman slash Clark to teach a jerk a lesson humiliate him rather than beating him up
I'm not the least bit bothered by Superman talking in space. Super ventriloquism is a well-established silver age Superman power, one that goes along with his silver/bronze age super hearing. Basically, these powers, in the comics, don't require a medium for sound to travel from one point to another. With his super ventriloquism, he can throw his voice anywhere, instantly, and it isn't an optical illusion -- the sound actually originates wherever he's projecting it. The super hearing worked basically the same way. It isn't super sensitive hearing, it's like telescopic hearing in that he could detect a sound at any distance instantly. There's a bronze age story I remember involving the super hearing operating at basically faster than light speed. There's a kidnap victim being held at gunpoint somewhere in Metropolis. To save the victim, Superman sits very still and concentrates all his power on his hearing until he hears the gunshot, and uses his super speed to save the victim before the bullet can reach them. His powers violate real world physics in a dozen ways. I'm not going to draw the line at talking in space. I"ll take your word for it that S4 is terrible. I've never seen it, it doesn't appear to be available for streaming, and I'm not buying the DVD.
Yeah it's a damn shame. If WB had any sense they would have bought the rights back themselves and re-hired Donner. Although I don't know if Donner would have gone for it even then.
@prodigioussaps Donner wouldn't of done it because they had already asked him to do Superman 3 and he turned it down because of what they did to him. Donner was very hurt by the Salkinds he had honorable intentions for Superman. If the Salkinds who I think realized later that Donner was the right person for Superman. I think they knew after Superman 2 had come out they'd made a mistake by firing him which is why they'd asked him to return for Superman 3. It's really too bad they just would of stuck it out with Donner and trusted him more. We would of had many Great Superman movies instead of them going Down Hill with each sequel.
They took half of the budget that was promised to Superman IV and gave it to Masters Of The Universe. So instead of making one good movie with all that money, they made two crappy movies with half the money. Yay WB.
Superman 4 is atrocious. Everyone from cast to crew to even the former Cannon owners call it an abomination. Just because today's movies may be worse in some ways doesn't change that. I felt this was the one film where both Hackman and Reeve were going through the motions. ( like what's up with Luthor's hair line? He went from bald to balding ). The Lois and Clark scenes felt forced, no magic between Lois and Supes. Jimmy Olsen was ok in 78, but the " young kid" aspect is long gone now. Jackie Cooper aged 25 yrs over a decade, Kidder's lifestyle started to show on her as she looks mid 40s here. Even the makeup work on Reeve left much to be desired. This was 1987 less than 10 yrs since the 1st movie . The set oiece for the Planet was literally out of a fan film. All the major role players look aged 20-25 yrs. Reeve certainly never stopped being Superman. But it's clear here he didnt want to be doing this. And the story, while topical of the day, and well meaning , was a mistake. Even comic book writers during WW2 knew enough to keep Supes from action in the war. Never mix hard to solve real world issues with characters who could solve those issues overnight. Or at least be creative about it. Even watching this as a 15 yr old it was off. The editing is just horrible, the missing 45 minutes may not of been top notch stuff. But its clear in many areas that chunks had been removed. It had none of the magic of One and Two, ....hell even 3 had good moments. And zero verisimilitude. Yes, I'd rather watch it over Snyder disasters every day. But thats not saying much. I'd rather have no anesthetic root canal than watch a Snyder movie.
Yes, definitely. We've talked about it a bit in one of earliest episodes, but a full breakdown like this one is on our agenda for sure. Supergirl and Batman '89 are coming first, though.
@ looking forward to it, I’m curious how well you guys think it does at being a sequel and if you think it follows any particular version of Superman 2!
@@itsreallyme2706 Well it's a very weird sequel because although Superman still has the same dad, it's clearly not set in the same timeline because technology-wise it's 20 years later than it should be. We'll get into this in greater detail when we do the breakdown, but I think Singer should have either leaned harder into the sequel concept by making it an '80s period piece, or steered away from it completely and reset the canon with a new backstory.
@ I absolutely agree, it’s like they didn’t want to pick a lane, there’s references to Reeves (Lex’s plot is the same but with the knowledge he gained in S2 and Clark and Lois’ son who could’ve been conceived when he was “human” but on the other hand like you said the tech is way out as well as some other small details
when I found out it was a sequel to 2 I’m like but she remembers what happened and why does his son have powers when they conceived when he was human in this way the Donner cut makes more sense but then can he be with Lois if his not human so many questions
I'm 41 and ss a kid, I watched Superman 2 and 4 the most, and I feel it was cause there was more fighting, I suspect. Superman 4 special effects didn't even really dawn on me at the time as being bad funny enough. I remember at one point in one of my many re-watches as a kid when Nuclear man takes Lacy to space... It just hit me like a ton of bricks lol...wait shes dead! The movie was never the same after that, and I started to notice more and more that was dumb and wrong with it as I got older. I would watch this movie 10 times before I would watch Superman 3 even once. I absolutely hated the 3rd one outside of him fighting himself as a kid. The 4th one holds a special place in my heart even though it's got a lot of problems, but the story just felt more Superman like, and there were some good intentions with it and even with it being a bad movie Christopher Reeve still made me believe in Superman even if the effects that made him fly looked like hot garbage.
Yeah, despite its flaws IV does have some of the best Superman quotes, for sure. I love both of the speeches he gives, particularly the one at the end. And all his scenes with Lois (apart from leading her off the balcony and then wiping her memory AGAIN) are great. We didn't touch on this in the video, but the most hilarious thing about Nuclear Man taking Lacy into space is... where the hell was he taking her and why? It is one of the most puzzling things in the movie.
@prodigioussaps 😆 so true... I often wondered myself where Nuclear Man was taking her and why. It was never very clear of his intentions with her outside of him I guess, finding her attractive and as you guys said a kind of a King Kong obsession with her which I thought was perfectly said. I'm going to go out on a limb and fill in the gaps... Mr. Pillow was taking her to Mars to make little nuclear babies. 😉 Either way, Lacy was right she was every guys type... even nuclear ones. Great job once again. You guys really do a great job!
you’re talking about. This is the best superman movie . What was ever done? The technology in this movie was fantastic. The flying scenes were superb I really enjoyed this movie. I’d say it’s the best movie what was ever made? Not just the best superman movie what was ever made? a movie it should win the Oscars for the technology what was put in this movie
Hey man, I'm really glad you dig the movie. I just can't agree with you, though. Some scenes are good, some effects are decent at best. But most of it, in my opinion, is just embarrassing. But again, really glad you think otherwise.
Great reaction the things you do for your channel am I right? Well I hate three and four except for Christopher Reeve. I don’t think of real movies. I try to forget them. I think you should’ve done Supergirl. You’re supposed to be in a part of it and he didn’t do it. I think Supergirl is a much better movie than three and four. I don’t know whether you like it or not but it’s better than three and four not better than one and two but definitely better than three and four thanks for the fun until next time
Thanks Curt! SUPERGIRL is coming next for sure, we've already recorded it. I'm not sure where I would place it in terms of quality compared with III and IV, but it is a very, very WEIRD movie.
Great reaction the things you do for your channel am I right? Well I hate three and four except for Christopher Reeve. I don’t think of real movies. I try to forget them. I think you should’ve done Supergirl. You’re supposed to be in a part of it and he didn’t do it. I think Supergirl is a much better movie than three and four. I don’t know whether you like it or not but it’s better than three and four not better than one and two but definitely better than three and four thanks for the fun until next time have the new man will be like in the history of universe of the super friends cartoon and not the Justice league movie or battle Superman glad I didn’t like. Hopefully they have a classic member of the Justice league this time if they do it going forward may be much better universe much better DC way to come if they do all right they do all right I’ll bring super friends the cartoon not the cheesy first season but like challenge is super friends and dark side friends until live action version and make those justice league movies now that’ll be worse justice league two the challenge of the super friends versus the Legion doom I would watch that I want to see well there is one exception to the first super friends season they’re gonna bring them back Marvin and the wonder dog let him with crypto play with him. That would be funny for us seeing her too, and then have cyborg and fire storm say sorry Marvin and Wendy this is for real superheroes the winner twins could be used eventually that’s all for now
Finally!!! I've been waiting weeks for this. Can't wait to listen to this at work next week, the thumbnail was a nice touch, made me chuckle.
Cool, thanks Ray! Let us know what you think. Cheers 👊
All the Metropolis scenes were filmed in Milton Keynes in England, about 30 minutes on the train from London, but also a million miles away. I think the set-dressing budget stretched to a fire hydrant and a hot dog stand.
That's right, thanks. 👊
@@prodigioussapsAlso, the scene with the arms dealers features not one, not two, but THREE Lex Luthors - Hackman, Cryer (from the CW Supergirl), and Porkins himself, William Hootkins. Hootkins played Lex in the BBC Radio adaptation of the early Byrne stories, The Adventures of Superman, which I beg you to check out.
Its a fascinating exercise in NOT not how to do low budget film making. Look what James Cameron was able to do with even less budget!
I'm only 3:34 in, and this is already the absolute best Superman IV analysis I've ever watched. And I've watched a lot 😂
Wow, thanks!
Superman IV was one of the top 10 grossing films of 1987 in Britain. Presumably only 10 films were released in Britain in 1987.
Lol
@usernameinfo4therevenge I remember going as a kid and in those days the cinema was always packed so not suprised. It made $30 million worldwide on a $17 million budget. Superman the movie though grossed $1.4 billion worldwide (adjusted for inflation), so still the most successful film!
I really enjoyed this video. The analogy of having a burrito made of cardboard and hard beans is perfect and had me howling, thanks boys
Thanks James! 👊
I have vague memories of that John Cryer, “oh nooo” being imitated in school for a few minutes.
Oh no was said long before he was in this movie. That's surfer dude talk. Like Pauly Shore.
It's not that she remembered everything always, it's that when he revealed himself as both Clark and Superman her memory of when happened was restored...and then by him kissing her again her memory of it was clouded once again
The Subway scenes were shot on the London underground and the exterior scenes of the Daily planet and the United nations,were filmed in Milton Keyns in the UK.
All of the Christopher Reeve films were made in England-that's why the kid in the town Zod attacks has an English accent, despite supposedly being the Deep South. And a mistake British people notice in the UN scene is that, instead of "United Kingdom", "England" is written on the name plate(England being one of the four countries that make up the UK).
Does anyone notice in the Hair hanging from the Weight scene right after Luthor breaks the glass the base of the case under the ball is strategically removed so it drops in to make it seem as if its heavy! Never seen it pointed out in all the breakdowns but once you see it you cant unsee it!!
I didn't notice that! Thanks. I need a bigger monitor to edit these things with.
Darkseid of the moon does NOT mean that it never sees the sun. It just means it is always facing away from earth because the moon is tidally locked to earth. It can definitely see some sun.
Having said that, there is no way of defending lV.
I've never seen it confirmed anywhere, but I think Cannon's deal was that they had the rights to the characters who appeared in the Superman films, but not any other characters who appeared in the comics. It would have made sense to have Superman battle Bizarro instead of Nuclear Man, because it is canon in the comics that Luthor was connected to Bizarro's creation. It still would not made the movie any better, but I would have enjoyed it a little more.
Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) is very active when it comes to talking at fan events. He also did a recent one with Superman 2 Villain Sarah Douglas. The movie let them down, but he is a great person and is proud to be part of the superman fandom.
Here we go guys, been looking forward to this 😁😁👍
Cool, thanks Danny 👊
41:58 I always thought that Lois’s memory must have come back to her little by little over time. Why else would she hand a letter to Clark that was addressed to Superman?
I had never seen this in the theater back in 87. My younger brother went to see it at he kinda told me about it. I bought the 5 movie DVD set featuring the 4 Reeve movies and Superman Returns. I watched it after watching your breakdown video today. I tried watching it on DVD a couple of years ago. But, the low budget effects were so bad, I turned it off eventurally. It is pretty funny to wince at the cheesy effects and the lack of everything here(plot, writing, budget, effects). Thanks for this comical look back at this crazy thing.
Wow, cool! Thanks Dave, cheers 👊
@@prodigioussaps watching the deleted scenes on the DVD is even worse than the finished movie.
There is a deleted scene of a deathly ill Clark collapsing in his kitchen, before we see him desperately going to the deus ex machina (good thing he kept it at Clark’s apartment and not the fortress).
The implication is that Clark is dying from radiation poisoning - the makeup is supposed to present an advanced case of this with his hair falling out and so forth, but it’s not done that well.
For viewers who weren’t alive during the ‘80s or were too young to remember, this film came out during the height of the AIDs epidemic. Superman falls seriously ill after physical contact with someone and the illness quickly weakens and deteriorates him to the point that he’s a shadow of his former self. The writer of the movie said this parallel was unintentional but it really stands out in context.
I also agree that the scene between Clark and Lois is really good. I have defended both Superman III and IV as bad Superman stories that nonetheless feature Superman. Despite the far greater budget, Man of Steel and Batman v Superman don’t feel like they feature Superman as a character I recognize.
Yeah, thanks for that -- neither of us watched the cut scenes for this review so we were just guessing in some places. It's puzzling to me that they cut so much from the film. The goofy first Nuclear Man stuff I get, because it was just painfully unfunny, but they also cut a lot of other stuff that I think would have made the film a bit more cohesive.
Also totally agree with your last paragraph there. Superman in BvS especially seemed very uncharacteristically petty and cruel in the way he treats Batman at first.
@@prodigioussaps From what I’ve read, they butchered the film in order to cram in more screenings during the first weekend as they expected it to flop.
Interesting... thanks!
I wish they knowing this was the last Superman with Christopher Reeve that it had continue with Lois and Superman relationship from 2 and not have him erase her memory
As a proud representative of the society of advocates of sound effects in space, I think the shutting of the shuttle door took nothing away from an otherwise excellent film!
Yeah, those were minor nitpicks to be sure. Superman shutting the door I think was acceptable anyway, since you could maybe argue that's what the cosmonauts heard inside via reverberations throughout the hull. I would never go too far down that nitpicky road, because I would never argue against all those glorious sound effects in Star Wars, for example.
This film is so shoddy that they didn't even bother to put a wig on Gene Hackman, so this is the only Superman movie to feature a Lex Luthor with hair.
@Adarkane325xi That's true, but I don't consider that a true Lex Luthor. 😉
@Adarkane325xi That last comment was a joke. Yes, Lexxe Luthorberg technically counts, but I had erased him from my consciousness. Thanks for making me relive that. 😝
I’ve always respected that Michael Rosenbaum shaved his head for 7 years when playing Lex on SMALLVILLE. Previosuly, John Shea, Sherman Howard, and Gene Hackman would never go that far.
I think Rosenbaum’s “reward” was that he maintained a full head of hair well into his 50s.
Brendan: you'll probably get this comment a lot, but do continue with the Superman and Lois series! Tyler is definitely my 2nd favorite Superman after Chris, because he exhibits so well the HUMANITY of Superman, which is heightened by the family dynamic that we haven't seen before in live-action.
I've been waiting for this upload. LOL! Fun analysis and review! Now for the Supergirl review! 😂
Thanks Matt! Yep, Supergirl will be next for sure.
I watched Superman 4 on VHS went I rented it from the video store. The first time I watched this movie, I thought Nuclear Man was a part of Superman's rogue Gallery. I thought the costume and his music was cool, I even thought there was an action figure out there for that character, just didn't know where to find one. I still watch it as I got older and then started to question things like y'all said about the crystal and am just like, so that means Fortress of Solitude is done or something. And they still do the kissing whip memory thing.
I like the action between Superman and Nuclear man, even though some of it wasn't good due to VFX.
Superman iv is not THAT bad. Id take it any day ovwr 85% of modern movies.
There is potential there but hampered by a poor script measly budget. Perhaps another director could have made it work.
No, it is that bad. Also, current movies are disposable. You don't have to care about them. But this is Superman.
I love the reviews on the Christopher Reeve movies and respect peoples opinions. I went to see this with my dad in the uk at the age of 8 after the long wait after 3 so I've always had a soft spot for it got the poster magazine, straight to the video shop to rent it on release I'd love to see it have a full uncut release one day. RIP the one and only Superman!.
Its not that bad.... its worse
Mac McDonald plays one of the prison guards and is actually a very accomplished actor.
Please watch the DVD one more time, but with the audio commentary by one of the writers Mark Rosenthal. He gives some very interesting inside info about what went down with this film.
I have been waiting for this episode guys and it was worth it. 😂 I wish there were more crazy Super sequels now. Had forgotten Mariel Hemingway was in this.😊
Ha, cool thanks Phantom! SUPERGIRL is up next. 👊
4:00 And then you get food poisoning and start bleeding from your eyes.
I love these breakdowns, do you think you'd ever do Man of Steel. I really dont enjoy that film, but it never gets boring discussing it imo.
At this rate, possibly. We’ll probably put it up for a vote at some point. Thanks Emmanuel! 👊
@prodigioussaps I'll settle for Superman Returns 😁 I actually enjoy that way more than MoS.
Oh that's definitely on the agenda! Probably after Batman '89. Supergirl will be next.
Been looking forward to this for a while 😁
Thanks, I’m relieved to finally be done editing it! Been at it for most of the past month. Hope y’all enjoy it. 👊
Brendan, you ate Chipotle right before jumping on the call, didn't you? I'd recognize that description of a disgusting burrito anywhere.
Great video! If you're down on Sidney J. Furie, I highly recommend one of his earliest films, The Ipcress File with Michael Caine. It's incredibly tense and visual, and his direction will blow you away. It's sad how poor Superman IV is, but what I find interesting is it does have its heart in the right place which is more than you can say for Superman III, and it flirts with superhero revisionism. The idea of Superman policing the world and learning the error of his ways is a good idea to explore, but the film wastes that potential.
Thanks Clinton! Will definitely check out the Ipcress File... love Michael Caine.
Fun conversation, the kind I love to have and listen to. I was like 2 years old when this movie came out, and I watched Superman II like a million times before I saw this. I was about 5 or so at the time I did see this, so while I could maybe tell that it was different in some way, I couldn't really tell why. I could probably say to myself, 'this looks different' (poor cinematography/budget) or 'this feels different' (poor writing). Anyway, thanks for the fun!
Cool, thanks Jason!
Someone restored footage of the wall scene with the red and blue streaks reconstructing the wall then using heat vision to fuse or cure it instead of wall vision. It looked a billion times better.
Oh wow, I'd like to see that! Unsuprisingly, that is actually how it was scripted... I went and found the script after we recorded this, and it was supposed to be him rebuilding it at super speed with a blur of motion.
Yes, his name is Aaron Price. This is the remastered Great Wall of China scene Aaron came up with: ua-cam.com/video/rgUgdpP_2K8/v-deo.htmlsi=Cf3wO3AGxTJYvlvo It is much better. What Aaron is doing to improve Superman IV is a credit to him. More people need to see his work.
@@oldjoefilmfreak Hey thanks! He did a great job.
@@prodigioussaps No problem. Thanks for your take on all these movies. While I do not agree with everything you guys say, it is clear you both have a love for Superman and want to see him done the best he can be in that moment in time. Thus why Superman 3 & Superman 4 are so problematic. I recommend taking a deep dive into all of the videos of Superman 4 on UA-cam from @APRICEPRODUCTION. You will like what you see, as some of your criticisms of the Theatrical cut of 4 are rectified. All videos are impressive, even the trailer for his cut of the movie leaves a better impression than anything from what Cannon produced.
Thank YOU! I did watch some more of his clips just now. He's done amazing work, you're right.
I found your discussion around Bizarro to be very interesting. I tend to agree that the Nuclear Man we got, versus what he was meant to be like, means Bizarro might have been the better character to see in Superman 4. I was wondering, have guys looked into the “Superman and Lois” TV series? I cannot see that you have. It was an impressive show, with some great acting, special effects and they did a good take on Bizarro. Would be interested to get your take on that show.
I have watched a lot of it, and Brendan is in the process of catching up with it now. I really enjoyed their take on Bizarro and the Bizarro dimension… not a big fan of where he wound up in the last season, but overall I thought that was a really cool reimagining of the character.
@@prodigioussaps Thanks Chad. Hopefully you guys get around to looking at the show. I still have the final season to watch and while some of the supporting characters are not as compelling, Superman and Lois are well developed and acted characters. Tyler Hoechlin is a good Clark Kent/Superman, but just as impressive Bizarro.
Still better than Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, and The Justice League...🤦♂️😆
Christopher Reeve will forever be the only on screen Superman ❤️💙
@Adarkane325xi I know your Mom inside and out...😉😘
@@petersarubbi With all due respect dude, no way is it better than MOS. IMO, MOS is underrated. I suppose that I would watch SIV over the butchered theatrical versions of the latter two movies.
Okay in the Superman 2 the Richard Donner cut Superman spin the Earth back then he also goes back to the diner and humiliates the guy that beat him up if Superman had done that how would the guy even remember him or was it a way for Superman slash Clark to teach a jerk a lesson humiliate him rather than beating him up
I'm not the least bit bothered by Superman talking in space. Super ventriloquism is a well-established silver age Superman power, one that goes along with his silver/bronze age super hearing. Basically, these powers, in the comics, don't require a medium for sound to travel from one point to another. With his super ventriloquism, he can throw his voice anywhere, instantly, and it isn't an optical illusion -- the sound actually originates wherever he's projecting it. The super hearing worked basically the same way. It isn't super sensitive hearing, it's like telescopic hearing in that he could detect a sound at any distance instantly.
There's a bronze age story I remember involving the super hearing operating at basically faster than light speed. There's a kidnap victim being held at gunpoint somewhere in Metropolis. To save the victim, Superman sits very still and concentrates all his power on his hearing until he hears the gunshot, and uses his super speed to save the victim before the bullet can reach them. His powers violate real world physics in a dozen ways. I'm not going to draw the line at talking in space.
I"ll take your word for it that S4 is terrible. I've never seen it, it doesn't appear to be available for streaming, and I'm not buying the DVD.
Yeah it’s admittedly a very minor nitpick. Superman IV is on MAX, FYI, along with all the other Christopher Reeve Superman films.
@@prodigioussaps Thanks! I'm still not going to see it, but the first two are definitely worth a rewatch.
THE WORST THING EVER MADE AGAINST SUPERMAN, NO, NOt THING.., CRIME IS THE RIGHT WORD! THIS WAS A CRIME.
Superman III is a horrible idea executed excellently. Superman 4 is an excellent idea executed horribly.
Well put
Unfortunately Canon should of put a Big Budget into Superman 4 but because of the way they did business they pulled alot of money from the film.
Yeah it's a damn shame. If WB had any sense they would have bought the rights back themselves and re-hired Donner. Although I don't know if Donner would have gone for it even then.
@prodigioussaps Donner wouldn't of done it because they had already asked him to do Superman 3 and he turned it down because of what they did to him. Donner was very hurt by the Salkinds he had honorable intentions for Superman. If the Salkinds who I think realized later that Donner was the right person for Superman. I think they knew after Superman 2 had come out they'd made a mistake by firing him which is why they'd asked him to return for Superman 3. It's really too bad they just would of stuck it out with Donner and trusted him more. We would of had many Great Superman movies instead of them going Down Hill with each sequel.
They took half of the budget that was promised to Superman IV and gave it to Masters Of The Universe. So instead of making one good movie with all that money, they made two crappy movies with half the money. Yay WB.
@@Adarkane325xiand what the heck is it to you how many times I comment?
A line is cut from the DVD for some reason. When Nuclear Man appears Lenny says to Lex ' but hes a... a boy!'. Too gay? I dunno
There’s a guy on UA-cam who is fixing this movie. He even removed Lacy from space in that one scene lol i forget his name
superman 3 is light years better than this abomination. 4 was so godawful, there is no metric by which it can be said is better than Superman 3.
Superman 4 is atrocious. Everyone from cast to crew to even the former Cannon owners call it an abomination. Just because today's movies may be worse in some ways doesn't change that. I felt this was the one film where both Hackman and Reeve were going through the motions.
( like what's up with Luthor's hair line? He went from bald to balding ). The Lois and Clark scenes felt forced, no magic between Lois and Supes. Jimmy Olsen was ok in 78, but the " young kid" aspect is long gone now. Jackie Cooper aged 25 yrs over a decade, Kidder's lifestyle started to show on her as she looks mid 40s here. Even the makeup work on Reeve left much to be desired. This was 1987 less than 10 yrs since the 1st movie . The set oiece for the Planet was literally out of a fan film. All the major role players look aged 20-25 yrs. Reeve certainly never stopped being Superman. But it's clear here he didnt want to be doing this. And the story, while topical of the day, and well meaning , was a mistake. Even comic book writers during WW2 knew enough to keep Supes from action in the war. Never mix hard to solve real world issues with characters who could solve those issues overnight. Or at least be creative about it. Even watching this as a 15 yr old it was off. The editing is just horrible, the missing 45 minutes may not of been top notch stuff. But its clear in many areas that chunks had been removed. It had none of the magic of One and Two, ....hell even 3 had good moments. And zero verisimilitude. Yes, I'd rather watch it over Snyder disasters every day. But thats not saying much. I'd rather have no anesthetic root canal than watch a Snyder movie.
Are you guys going to do a breakdown of Superman Returns (as it’s technically a soft sequel to Superman 2)?
Yes, definitely. We've talked about it a bit in one of earliest episodes, but a full breakdown like this one is on our agenda for sure. Supergirl and Batman '89 are coming first, though.
@ looking forward to it, I’m curious how well you guys think it does at being a sequel and if you think it follows any particular version of Superman 2!
@@itsreallyme2706 Well it's a very weird sequel because although Superman still has the same dad, it's clearly not set in the same timeline because technology-wise it's 20 years later than it should be. We'll get into this in greater detail when we do the breakdown, but I think Singer should have either leaned harder into the sequel concept by making it an '80s period piece, or steered away from it completely and reset the canon with a new backstory.
@ I absolutely agree, it’s like they didn’t want to pick a lane, there’s references to Reeves (Lex’s plot is the same but with the knowledge he gained in S2 and Clark and Lois’ son who could’ve been conceived when he was “human” but on the other hand like you said the tech is way out as well as some other small details
when I found out it was a sequel to 2 I’m like but she remembers what happened and why does his son have powers when they conceived when he was human in this way the Donner cut makes more sense but then can he be with Lois if his not human so many questions
I'm 41 and ss a kid, I watched Superman 2 and 4 the most, and I feel it was cause there was more fighting, I suspect. Superman 4 special effects didn't even really dawn on me at the time as being bad funny enough. I remember at one point in one of my many re-watches as a kid when Nuclear man takes Lacy to space... It just hit me like a ton of bricks lol...wait shes dead! The movie was never the same after that, and I started to notice more and more that was dumb and wrong with it as I got older. I would watch this movie 10 times before I would watch Superman 3 even once. I absolutely hated the 3rd one outside of him fighting himself as a kid. The 4th one holds a special place in my heart even though it's got a lot of problems, but the story just felt more Superman like, and there were some good intentions with it and even with it being a bad movie Christopher Reeve still made me believe in Superman even if the effects that made him fly looked like hot garbage.
Yeah, despite its flaws IV does have some of the best Superman quotes, for sure. I love both of the speeches he gives, particularly the one at the end. And all his scenes with Lois (apart from leading her off the balcony and then wiping her memory AGAIN) are great.
We didn't touch on this in the video, but the most hilarious thing about Nuclear Man taking Lacy into space is... where the hell was he taking her and why? It is one of the most puzzling things in the movie.
@prodigioussaps 😆 so true... I often wondered myself where Nuclear Man was taking her and why. It was never very clear of his intentions with her outside of him I guess, finding her attractive and as you guys said a kind of a King Kong obsession with her which I thought was perfectly said. I'm going to go out on a limb and fill in the gaps... Mr. Pillow was taking her to Mars to make little nuclear babies. 😉 Either way, Lacy was right she was every guys type... even nuclear ones. Great job once again. You guys really do a great job!
Thanks Andrew! 👊
What happened to bald Lex and all those wonderful toupees?
you’re talking about. This is the best superman movie . What was ever done? The technology in this movie was fantastic. The flying scenes were superb I really enjoyed this movie. I’d say it’s the best movie what was ever made? Not just the best superman movie what was ever made? a movie it should win the Oscars for the technology what was put in this movie
Hey man, I'm really glad you dig the movie. I just can't agree with you, though. Some scenes are good, some effects are decent at best. But most of it, in my opinion, is just embarrassing. But again, really glad you think otherwise.
Great reaction the things you do for your channel am I right? Well I hate three and four except for Christopher Reeve. I don’t think of real movies. I try to forget them. I think you should’ve done Supergirl. You’re supposed to be in a part of it and he didn’t do it. I think Supergirl is a much better movie than three and four. I don’t know whether you like it or not but it’s better than three and four not better than one and two but definitely better than three and four thanks for the fun until next time
Thanks Curt! SUPERGIRL is coming next for sure, we've already recorded it. I'm not sure where I would place it in terms of quality compared with III and IV, but it is a very, very WEIRD movie.
You're not Superman 4 the quest for Peace should have been called should have been called Superman 4 the quest to kill the franchise
So turrrble. Even the concept is stupid, especially in retrospect.
Great reaction the things you do for your channel am I right? Well I hate three and four except for Christopher Reeve. I don’t think of real movies. I try to forget them. I think you should’ve done Supergirl. You’re supposed to be in a part of it and he didn’t do it. I think Supergirl is a much better movie than three and four. I don’t know whether you like it or not but it’s better than three and four not better than one and two but definitely better than three and four thanks for the fun until next time have the new man will be like in the history of universe of the super friends cartoon and not the Justice league movie or battle Superman glad I didn’t like. Hopefully they have a classic member of the Justice league this time if they do it going forward may be much better universe much better DC way to come if they do all right they do all right I’ll bring super friends the cartoon not the cheesy first season but like challenge is super friends and dark side friends until live action version and make those justice league movies now that’ll be worse justice league two the challenge of the super friends versus the Legion doom I would watch that I want to see well there is one exception to the first super friends season they’re gonna bring them back Marvin and the wonder dog let him with crypto play with him. That would be funny for us seeing her too, and then have cyborg and fire storm say sorry Marvin and Wendy this is for real superheroes the winner twins could be used eventually that’s all for now
Calgary??!
This will put you right.
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