I think its funny when ppl bash the Ecoboost Stang for being a 4 cylinder when it makes the same power as a GT from just 5 years ago. It would destroy a lot of Mustang enthusiast's prior models.
If the motor pulls timing, it's because it is detecting knock/detonation due to poor fuel quality or excess heat. I'd rather it pull timing to protect my engine then just let it go grenade itself. Either way, these are not major problems to anyone familiar with turbo cars.
New Fiesta ST owner here, and I can't get over how fun it is... while also being an excellent city daily driver, and being relatively dirty cheap. It's almost perfect (for me) :)
Your comment is seven years old...just got me a 2018 fist and holy shit...wayyy too much fun. Absolutely in love...and that's coming from someone that has owned a 2006 wrx as well
JD JoyrideTV I think he was just talking about looks lol. I don't get why the new subies get so much shit about appearance though, I think they look pretty good.
MAEguy Compared to the original concept they look worse though. I agree with the "Corolla with a hood scoop" comment. Would probably still buy it over the others.
I've watched a ton of car reviews on a ton of different testers and I've never seen any car get as much "smiles" and "laughs" than the Fiesta ST. It's truly incredible to keep watching every tester and reviewer and they all say how much the Fiesta ST just makes them smile. I really want to try it.
+REBeL_TM Idk how the can say that it looks cool but half of all those cool buttons and gadgets will have broken within the first week. My 2016 WRX might have boring looks and interior but it feels so much more solid and well built than the fords. I have noticed it in many of the fords i have looked at and driven they all have so many buttons and gadgets but it all feels so cheep.
I have an EcoBoost without those options, and I have to say, it still looks 10k more expensive than the competition. For reference, I have these options: Performance pack Navigation system 10-speed auto Sync3 The car cost 26k from the dealership.
i have a 17 ecoboost and i absolutely love it. If anyone is considering a mustang 8 or 4 just know that although the gt has much more power, the boost is still crazy fun to drive and is pretty much faster than 80% of cars on the road
Everytime I get into a 2015 Mustang I am just absolutely blown away by the amount of space the driver has. The legroom, shoulder room, and even headroom is immense, and thats coming from a guy who is 6'3" 260lbs. My biggest gripe though is I find the hood to be way to high and I find my self not really being able to place the front end where I want it to be because I cant see past the freaking hood. EverydayDriver Great feature length video as always! Your new lineup and schedule is awesome.
J Thom Well the plane was named after the horse so in a sense, it's named after a horse, too! But the 'executive stylist' at the time was a huge fan of the WWII fighter.
Adam Thimmig - Thrilled that our review was helpful to you. Very pleased to know you have a car you love as that's our primary goal. Thanks for letting us know!
This is the first time I've seen these guys and I'm very impressed. They are smart and communicate their thoughts and feelings very, very well. I'll be looking for more of their work Excellent work.
Just want to say I really enjoy your videos. Especially while going through Top Gear withdrawal, as I'm sure we all are, it's great to have stuff like this. You guys are straightforward, honest, unbiased, and legitimately enthusiastic about cars. It's a breath of fresh from all the BS and trolling out there.
@19:16 When he said he's been against FWD cars for the longest.... I used to be the same. Until I purchased a Fiesta ST. It is so fun. I have a 15 WRX also. I feel like the FiST is more fun honstely. Both great cars. Awesome video guys! Thank you so much for all your hard work!
+manrightchea 1. US federal regulations 2. emissions 3. price for the market(profit margin wont be that good) FRS with more power go aftermarket turbos and super chargers are available. MotorTrend had a 400 hp FRS in their channel, I think the full turbo kit is $6800 plus installation & the engine is not stock
It goes against the purpose of the car. It’s made to be a sporty, everyday driver that’s reliable and won’t break the bank. If you want to do mods, you can since the BRZ/FRS/86 has a huge aftermarket.
+Markus R - As you may have noticed in this review and elsewhere we get these cars from the manufacturer press fleets. Unfortunately that means they are often set up with every possible option and absurd prices. In the case of this car we hope you heard all the times we berated the price of this particular example as not the way to buy this car. This overpriced version was what Ford provided, but it is available in the price range we're discussing. (in fact, so is the FR-S, which was also over-spec'd here - and we mentioned that as well). If the Mustang had beat out all the other cars here, or was picked because of a feature only available at this $38k price then we would have mentioned it, but neither of those things happened either. We hope that helps a bit. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
+EverydayDriver Maybe I'm too sensitive to bad qualitative methods, but the caveats offered still do not change the incidental effects of the differences in the models on the reviewer. Apples to oranges, as they say, but you do have to use what the manufacturers give you and I still appreciate the reviews.
+Markus R - We see your point and concerns here. But keep in mind that by the end of the comparison the Mustang didn't get away with anything (in fact Todd picked it last). Even though Paul liked it more, both guys were appalled at the price. We don't think Ford did itself any favors by having this car as their press car, but both understand their thinking and appreciate you understanding our situation. Also know that we're very glad to have you with us and engaging in a conversation. Thanks!
You gotta think an ecoboost even with the performance package will still be under $30,000. I don't think all the technology packages like navigation, or blind spot warning or premier leather instead of just leather, rain sensing wipers, were displayed or affects the driving review. That was only advantageous when comparing interior quality. Price was up because it's a loaded ecoboost premium. Regular ecoboost will have a cheaper interior and still handle the same.
I love your reviews. You guys give such a great in depth analysis. You don't get silly with editing and keep it on point. I have had my 2015 Subaru WRX for 1 year now. I have 34k miles on it. I commute 100 miles a day and it's a wonderful DD, even with some upgrades. Even after all the driving I do, I'm still always finding excuses to go out and drive it more.
Thanks for the video. My 2017 Mustang Ecoboost premium is my daily driver. Since I bought it used I saved thousands of dollars. I love the looks and comfort. It has plenty of power for me and I really like the size of the car.
WRX hands down for best balance of performance, every day driver, safety, versatility, all wheel drive, reliability, resale value, fun to drive, and tuning options.
XenomorphLV426 Sadly, the last gen(06-11) Si was more fun/aggressive than the current Si. It even had a faster 0-60 time and could go 1k RPM more than the current. Here's hoping the new and upcoming civic will be able to keep up with the competition.
Nimble, peppy, wrong wheel drive. I agree with them being among the best in that class. But more fun than a slower 911, which is essentially how a brz feels, I'd disagree. Like he says, really depends what kind of car you like.
@@RexApplegate funny how the wrong wheel drive can eat you in the corners in the canyons and has the most fun to it. The power to weight ratio is similar to that of a Lotus Elise. Try driving it then you'll know.
@@tacklefatkids I was a mechanic at a Ford dealer for years. My opinions are based on driving them many times. If you like them you are in good company. By my tastes they go defiantly screaming past the line where fwd becomes a total joke.
You guys lost some credibility for not understanding why the Mustang's speedo says ground speed. The Mustang is named after the fighter plane, the P-51 Mustang. So yes, we are flying. It adds some more character to the car.
Wait, so it's not named after the horse known as the Mustang? The same horse of which is plastered everywhere on the car? The same horse that created the segment known as pony cars? Hmm I mean I don't see any planes printed anywhere on the car, I must've been wrong all these years.
2010BlownSS Yup, you were wrong all these years. Google it. The Mustang is named after the fighter plane, which is named after the horse. One of the designers at Ford, John Najjar, was a fan of the P-51 Mustang and suggested that as the name. Hence the ground speed label on the speedo.
moparmaniac21 I don't think the Mustang was named after the fighterplane. In the original 60's ads the new mustang was pictured driving among running horses. Think Pinto, not aircraft.
purchased a 2019 fiesta st brand new, have never looked back, put $15k in the car mostly custom fab mods, and he purrs like a cat every single time. Definitely the best thing I have ever done with my money. One of the most underappreciated cars in the scene in the US
Did you know that you can tune the engine up to 400bhp? That's part of the reason why I got mine. However, it's far easier to find tuners who can do 340bhp, like Revo with their Stage 4 big turbo kit.
I spent months going through the Fiesta ST or Scion FRS debate. I ended picking up a brand new Fiesta ST two weeks ago because of how much fun it is to drive.
Thank you for this video, I have been asking people for a comparison like this for a while and maybe I just didn't look or something but hey you guys did it and that's all that counts. Awesome!!
YES! Just what I needed! Can you guys do a direct Fiesta ST and Focus ST comparo? I feel like a lot of people struggle (myself included) on which ST brother is better when considering all aspects of ownership
***** interesting, are the changes that noticeable? I thought that the changes wouldn't really be noticeable considering it was a mid cycle refresh after only 2 years. If anything, they made the car slower apparently
***** It would seem that whatever changes they made results in less grip, more weight, and slower acceleration. At least according to Motor Trend's tests. It was just overall slower
***** That's what I'm struggling with. I don't know which one I'd rather have. They're both great and have things that I want. Ultimately, if the Fiesta ST looked a little better (wasn't so tall and narrow) and had better interior quality, I'd go with the FiST. If the Focust ST had the same driving feel as the Fiesta, with less torque steer and weight, I'd go with it. I have to find a compromise in between which is kind of hard
maximus9401 I've driven both on a track and AutoX, and I own a FocusST. The Focus just feels faster, is faster, more practical, feels more expensive, and is overall better. Honestly, I didn't get feel that the Fiesta had a significant leg up on "fun" factor. It's more fun to go faster and turn quicker... get the Focus ST.
im a proud owner of a fiesta st. its an amazing car for the money and already has a decent aftermarket. its cool to know i purchased a car that is compared to great cars such as the frs and wrx :)
@@DigitalRecollections haha I still have the car. I did all the bolt ons and a bigger turbo. It put down 380whp on e40 about 4 years ago. Since then it ran strong for awhile, stock internals. I used to drag race a lot and it held up. The transmission is the weak point, I went through 3 of them. The engine finally took a shit last November. So it held up for quite awhile. I swapped in a newer engine and plan on selling it after I get everything back to where it was. I had my fun with this car but it’s time to move on. They’re great cars for the money and the stock 1.6L olds a decent amount of power with supporting mods.
OK, I just have to add my comments here. The guys are pretty spot on their comments. I bought my 2018 base model Ecoboost 6 months ago. Note, I said base model, for $21,500. That means a six speed manual transmission. It's black and I love it. I have about 5,500 miles on it and 2,500 of that was a trip to Wisconsin. I am in my early 60's and still ride fast Italian (Ducati and Guzzi) bikes. The Mustang is pretty much the prefect car for me. I do most of my driving around town, and they are right, if you aren't paying attention and are sloppy with your shifting and throttle from a start you can stall the car. That doesn't happen any more. And yes you have to work and pay attention a bit more from say a Focus, I had a 2002 Focu, but it's well worth it. It is a great car to go out and play on corners and drive hard, we have nice mountains here in New Mexico. But I spend 95% of my time driving city/highway, the Mustang shines on cruising on the highway. Rolling along at 90-95 mph on cruise control and it's just loafing and yes I did that going through Texas and Kansas. Reasonable gas mileage of about 27-28. Ford has a real winner with the Ecoboost Mustang, remember I bought mine for $21,500, talk about bang for the buck. A base model comes with a really nice set of base line goodies. And it's a lot of fun to use around town too, when you're first at stop lights it's pretty hard to not leave folks behind very quickly..... Top speed is limited to 120 mph....but that could be changed I guess. I am going to leave my car stock, it does everything I want, so why change it. I don't plan on putting it on the track so why bother, do I really want or need to go over 120mph... nah for me that's OK. And I really like the exhaust tone on it, I've heard the V-8's, and they sound awesome, but I am not sure I want to listen to them for hours on end. You really can't say that the Ecoboost Mustang is a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's a Mustang and it looks just like the 8's....but it's a completely different sort of car. That 310 hp really shines, turbo lag just really isn't there. It's nice to know when you punch it it really gets up and goes......not as fast as a V-8....but at 21.5K that's fine with me. Mine has summer tires on it and it's crap on snow, we do get some here in Albuquerque. But there are video's on UA-cam that point out they really need to have snow tires if you plan on driving in snow. I am glad I don't live up north any more:) Tom
Great review. I've had the Ecoboost for about 7 months now and I absolutely love it. I'm assuming that the price of the tested model factored a lot into that 4th place rating, and I agree completely. Anyone paying 38k for this car is out of their mind. I paid 30k for mine. If 38k were in my range you can bet I'd be looking at the GTs.
Diehard Mustang fan but I'm going to buy the Fiesta ST or the FRS next year. Much more affordable, cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, more fun that's more easily attainable. To be honest as well, I think owning a Mustang would ruin it for me just because I expect so much from it. I love the turbo punch from the Fiesta and it's practicality, but it still looks like an econobox in many ways. The FRS follows the "looks follows form" philosophy. It looks good, and it is good. The analog sensation of the FRS is what makes me so attracted to it. Plus the Japanese engineering always seems to find ways to surprise me. Throw a turbo kit on the FRS and you will never look back! Anyway you look at it, these are all great cars, in a great time for the automotive world.
Agreed. They are fantastic cars. The FRS is very fun to drive with its stock tires. :) I live in Los Angeles and there are plenty mountain roads out here!
I've had my FRS for a little over 2 years, I have every mod you can do to an NA engine without opening it and it's pretty quick bro! Full bolt ons, aluminum driveshaft, light weight pulleys, light weight flywheel, rear seat delete, light wheels and some good ol E85! Very light and I have quite a bit whp over stock. I kill v6 mustangs, s2ks, focus and fiesta STs pretty easily(check out the vids on my page), modern V8s are pretty hard to beat with a little NA 2.0 so I don't even try to race them. Lol I'm very happy with my car if you're going to modify and even turbo the FRS it will make you so happy every day you drive it! Plus the community is great(there are some douche bags but the majority of the people are awesome).
Great review and simply love the editing. I'm not a Mustang guy but I love the look and Ecoboost engine. Living in the wet coast, the WRX would be my choice - also practical with 2 car seats in the back. Keep up the great work!!
dccaptcrash - Thank you. It's a lot of editorial work, but we're very pleased when it plays well for you guys. Greatly appreciate you watching and commenting!
I bought an EcoBoost and I have no regrets. The Interior is real Aluminum, real leather so sturdy, very responsive and with tunes and forged parts and people getting 550 hp out of them its going to be a far more car for the enthusiast
The Fiesta ST Was what it took to get me out of the RWD forever mindset. Once you drive one of these cars and take it around some corners fast it is just amazing the amount of performance you can ring out of the Fiesta ST. I have had several cars that where orders of magnitude faster. The fiesta is just as much fun in the corners as any of them and I love how easily and predictably the tail comes around without any fear of overextending ones talent. Its just plain fun and 35mpg on the highway and room for the family too.
Great review! Thank you. I have 12 thousand miles on my 2014 FRS, supercharged, and daily drive it with no issues. I'm a sports car enthusiast, so it fits the bill for me.
I am normally not big on Mustangs,currently have a 300C and I love that linebacker in a suit! So my thinking is V8 all day,for our other vehicle I was leaning towards a Challenger R/T,my husband drove a Camaro,a Charger,Challenger and Mustang (both ecoboost and GT) He friggin loved the ecoboost! I'm like WHAT? Why?!?! I thought it was sacrilege.Needless to say he bought a 2016 premium one.Driving home from the dealership I had a good head start in my 300 Hemi..I look back,there he is! I drove it later on and this lil mustang surprised me,it's not weak by any means.I hated it less after that.Not a total convert but not mad at it either. BTW,Ford REALLY stepped up their interior game big time!
I bought a 2017 ecoboost mustang. Premium Package Used In great shape.. A 34,000 dollar car . For 17,700 .00 And it looks brand new and runs great fast and fun to drive
+Fahad AlQanaee - Not sure why you feel that way - especially considering the guys had critiques for the Ford products along with the Scion and Subaru. Plus, if you watched the whole review then you saw the Ford's weren't picked as the universal winners in the end. But no matter what, thanks for watching and commenting!
+EverydayDriver Hahah... maybe he felt what I just did... At some point it feel like a Ford advertising... still I liked the video and want a Ford ST or a Golf R.. thanks guys...
+Fahad AlQanaee Because this was obviously an ad for the Mustang. The reviewers spent most of their time discussing the Fords and nearly none on the Subaru despite saying in so many words it was the most powerful and best handling.
+Gerald Manis you're just a ford hater the video was about the ford the first place, they said that in the beginning what cars can you get within the 25,000 dollar price range besides the ford mustang and get the most out of it and they argued
Good review like how todd reviews. I would do the same ranking, but for me I would take the BRZ. For me it is better value than the FR-S based on interior and exterior just my preference.
I picked up a 2015 mustang ecoboost premium 6spd w/8k on the odometer 2 months ago. Mint....for a work car. I paid 22k. I never buy brand new because of that crazy 1st year depreciation. The car is extremely nice and not a watered down exterior of the 5.0. So I got the look of the 5.0 w/o a couple little hood vents and some simple grill work and chin piece, same interior, cheaper insurance, getting 38 mpg on the highway in wet/snow drive mode, and a boatload of performance upgrades that have made it night and day from the "quick" car it started out, including some Ferrada 20" wheels/tires. So I have a completely unique car as compared to a stock 5.0 My days of shaving tenths off in the quarter are over and I got a Z06 if I need to go THAT fast. But this car is so nice that I'm going to give up on it being a daily driver. All this rambling, only to say its a great car and highly recommend. I'm an old svo guy, so it was cool to go back to that niche market.
Ecoboost Mustang - 3,532 lbs WRX - 3269 lbs FRS - 2,806 lbs Fiesta ST - 2,720 lbs Great review and I'm sure you were just generalizing when you said the Mustang was 1000 pounds more, but not quite. Sure shows how the slower cars can be more fun! I'd still get a Mustang because if you get the base version you can get it for 22k-23k. Based on the looks alone and the tuner potential I'd call it the winner if as a daily driver (sans a family lol).
This is one of your best reviews I can remember. Your thoughtfulness and multifacited approach, always good, shines here. What do you thing the performance pack would have adden or subtracted, besides money obviously we would option it downscale.
Just got a 2015 Ford Fiesta ST 3 days ago and I could not be happier with my decision. For the price and how well it performs, it really will amaze you. I suggest anyone who is looking for a new car definitely go check one of these out, at least test drive it. You will not regret doing so!
Compare a $25k Mustang to the others, not the $40k version. Ford was developing a DOHC turbo four in the SVO back in the 80's, but killed it because it was becoming faster than the V8 mustang (and that's just un-'murican). Makes you wonder what the Mustang could be today if they had pursued it.
idriwzrd glad at least one other person thought it was foolish to compare a car full loaded worth 38k to standard 25k cars... they gave the mustang so much love because obviously its the best looking car. Would it have been that hard to get a standard base model mustang and do a fair comparison?
+jldude84 Maybe you've forgotten about this little thing called inflation. The base Mustang GT is a great deal. It's just those non-performance options that Ford is clearly overcharging for.
***** I think the new Mustang looks great. On looks alone I'd take it, but the new Camaro also looks pretty good, and has a bit more performance (but also price).
Dead, that's what, it's a Mustang, V8, and still going strong today, 460hp for $35k, what a bargain! As a 4.6L S197 owner I know that a V6 or I4 is of no use to me. My car is a giant, heavy, piece of plastic (and crude shifter) with an engine anyone outside of 'Murica would sell one of their extra organs for. I've lived overseas, btw. I love the Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 too but it's a totally different machine. A fart can can't make your turbo four, DOHC or not, sound as good my Dynomax.
I love your videos guys, always speaking the truth ...i used to have a limited BRZ but i was always missing that 40 HP to make it perfect. now i rock Fiesta ST and i love that toy car. It doesnt take it self seriously and performs much better as a daily driver then the 86 ever did ( yes i understand the torque steer is there and seat position is a bit too high) but over all this car puts a smile on my face every day and i think that is what matters.
I love my Oxford White Fiesta ST. It's more fun than my JDM RHD Mitsubishi Evo IV was for everyday driving and corner entry speed. THat being said my EVO had aftermarket coilovers. So far the mod list includes an FSwerks catback exhaust, mountune springs, cobb motor mount, Green filter, Boomba wing risers, and lamin-x Fog covers. For the price you pay, I can guarantee you get a LOT of fun and car with the FiST. Cheers
0:36 "This is the first 4 cylinder mustang since that SVO they made in the eighties" Really guys? Really? The last year of the SVO was 1986. Ford made 4 cylinder Mustangs in 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993.
Derek K - Todd is talking and thinking about turbo Mustangs when he says that - but you're right he should have clarified by saying "first TURBO 4 Cylinder Mustang since..." The guys aren't perfect, as this proves. We hope you enjoyed the rest of the film. Thanks for listening close and keeping us honest!
EverydayDriver Best review yet! My 2 favourite new cars - Fiesta ST vs Toyota 86.... unfortunately, still haven't been able to make up my mind. Also, I recently purchased the 50 years of Porsche video - great work. So here's a question - where would you guys rank the Carrera 3.2 amongst the ST and 86? Kind regards.
incar95678 Fiesta ST = more practical and still fun as hell....Toyota more of a pure sports car...not as practical. If its gonna be a dailt do the Fiesta ST...if its a weekend warrior, its a coin flip.....drive em both and trust your gut
Crazy to put the Mustang with this group- it's a completely different buyer altogether. But, it does provide the angst for comparison. If you are considering any Mustang- you are NOT looking at the ST vehicles- for LOTS of reasons. But, if you are considering any ST- new, or, used- the WRX is also in the mix. The Toyobaru is a more selfish purchase, and, although a good dancer, doesn't offer much 'more' for tuning prospects- without another motor being fitted. Since most people get 1 car, it's gonna have to do many things over time. Leaving the WRX & ST's as most viable for different reasons. Personally, I'm so impressed with the Fiesta ST- it wins hands down for all of MY individual reasons: kids, commuter MPG, grocery hauler, dump runs, tunable (large & growing product line) & requires the least initial modification to 'just right'. Right now they can be had for $17 grand with 20k miles- in all colors & options desired- off lease. Not bad depreciation, but, better than $25-26 large brand new. Just one man's opinion, I suggest you make your own! Great video.
+David C. Gulliver I bought a brand new fiesta ST for 20k out the door. (bone stock, but not really much to add that piqued my interest) Super happy with it. Tuning options look really promising too!
@@wr41thx29 I absolutely agree. Last year I bought a new 2017 Mustang ecoboost premium and I had never considered any of the other cars. If I was young and all I could afford was a cheaper car that's not a real sports car but looks kinda sporty, then maybe. But most people don't buy small cheap ugly car just because it has a fast 0 - 60. Mind you, I've had mostly Trans Am's , until Pontiac went away. I had 2 new Camaro's since then and I wasn't impressed. I never like Mustangs until I bought a 2014 convertible and I loved it. Then traded it in for the 2017.
@@pixofu01 still Loving my ST! It had some problems with the AC (Florida), but warranty took good care of it. I'm sadly going to be selling her soon since I'm moving across the country to WA and going back to school full time.
Probably their best review to date and I think they did a great job highlighting all the pros and cons. I own a 2015 WRX (previously owned a BRZ prior to this car) and the WRX is just so much more practical. I do agree that with the FA20DIT engine from the WRX in the BRZ, that car would be a beast. The Ecoboost Mustang's interior is so nice, but I just did not love my test drive at all. The car felt too heavy to me, and the steering too vague. For me: Exterior looks : BRZ Handling: BRZ Overall performance: WRX Practicality: WRX Most fun to drive: WRX Interior looks/fit finish: Mustang Best value: WRX
3 years later and here I am wasting time between studying watching one of my favorite old episodes. How about a refreshed version? Greatest hits 2.0 since we lost the fiesta st here in the states and a few years have passed with some more intruders (LOOKING AT YOU VELOSTER N). I personally am about halfway done racking up miles on my 2017 86 and something doesn’t sit well with just buying a new version of the same old car ... I would have any of those above... except the mustang it would just cause me to have to explain myself too much too often to people who know nothing about cars. Wait..... I’m already doing that with the 86 🤣
i wouldn't say the WRX is a sleeper... I constantly get rev'd at in traffic or camaros want to "ricer flyby" me on the freeway.. it draws some attention that I particularly don't want a lot of the time which is why I went with it as my DD. Also that's a premium wrx which starts at 28K.. and you're comparing it to a 38K mustang and talking about interior quality, you might as well have gotten the 2015 STI and compared it to the EcoBoost 'stang at that price.. and I just realized all the other cars are in silver/grey while they mustang is red.. I'm sure that wasn't planned..
Jeremy the Subaru is a much better car, try driving a Mustang on slippery roads or put both these cars in a rally race, we all know what the outcome will be lol
Always nice reviews. I bought a FRS (because of a Chris Harris review...) and i'm very happy with it. It's true that the engine is not so great and that it's not a highway car. But it's conformatable enough to be a everyday car (to go to work) and to put a big smile on you on every corner. Roundabouts will be the higlight of your day.
What a great time to be a car buyer. So many terrific options from nearly every major manufacturer. Add the GTI and Focus ST to the 4 cars tested and it truly comes down to personal preference and features. Trying to argue which is 'best' is like arguing where's the best place to live.
IVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THE WRX LOOKS LIKE A COROLLA WITH A HOOD SCOOP SINCE IT CAME OUT!!! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES!!! but I'm totally gonna buy a 2013 wrx though... those are bae.
Paul hit it right on the money. The only reason why I am considering a Mustang is because of the ecoboost. V8s are nice and dandy, but I have no need for one.
V8s weren't as efficient as they are today, plus the lack of an independent rear suspension was a turn off. I am glad for the changes Ford made. I think the next step is to get the Ecoboost on a diet.
Been driving an ecoboost mustang premium for almost 2 months here. Took it on a road trip, drive it to work everyday, and so on. Pros: 1. If you like fast cars (by fast I mean faster than most cars you see on the road, those grandmas driving 4 cylinders or soccer moms driving minivans, or just like a lot of people that drive cars to get them from point A to B), but you're on a gas budget like me, this is the ULTIMATE car. I drove a 310 horsepower car to work and came home today for a total of 55 km's (sorry I'm Canadian) and got 9 litres/100k??? 2. This is one of the fastest cars in the performance class and price range. I cross-shopped the ecoboost with the 2014 maxima and challenger v6 (I've never liked the entry-level camaros, so I didn't bother checking them out or doing research on them), this has the best value for the money. WRX in Canada is like 45 grand after tax. Believe it or not, a loaded Genesis coupe costs almost 40 grand, any person in the right mind would rather drive a Mustang than a Hyundai. And we all know evo's are pretty goddamn expensive. 3. Dat interior. 4. Loaded features. 5. Dat exterior design. Seriously it looks likea 60+ grand car in person. Cons: 1. High RPM torque is pretty mediocre 2. Occasional turbo lags (not that often though) that sometimes make me feel like I'm driving my old Hyundai Elantra (but once it kicks in, it feels like a rocket) 3. Exterior quality is not really the best. I grew up around Nissans as my parents loved them, I must say even Nissan has better materials. 4. Tiny exhaust tips 5. Last but not least, you don't get that V6+ sound Overall, I'm really happy with my car. I'd still beat most V6es in the 20-40grand price range in speed, exterior, and interior.
I've either owned or driven every car in this episode. I'd definitely take the frs. It fits my driving style better. I am very aggressive in turns and the frs just feeds you all the info you need to know through the steering wheel. Also for a person like me that loves to drift I can say even in stock form it is amazing! Transitions effortlessly, hand brake works perfect, has just enough grip to keep control but not so much that it straightens out if you don't stay full throttle. I wish I still had mine but I'll just build a 240sx or sc300 when I have the extra cash.
Fantastic review! You guys really do an amazing job talking about all aspects of the cars you review--the engine, suspension, weight, back roads versus daily driving, shift and clutch quality, interior, what it would be like to own, etc. So many reviewers just talk about a car on track. Thank you for truly being for the everyday car enthusiast who only has money to purchase one car.
In terms of stock performance, accessibility, and just plain fun, I think the Fiesta ST cinches it, just because of that early turbo punch. I think the BRZ/FR-S is the better car though, because it's just so modular. You can drift it like a hooligan anywhere without breaking the speed limit, you can learn to drive in it, and if you're a good enough driver to handle more power, the chassis is already perfect for it. It's long, low, and aerodynamic, so it can put down every bit as much power as any RWD supercar. It's light. It's got a solid Subaru engine under the bonnet, so it can handle plenty of forced induction (dyno stress testing concluded that the power limit of the stock cylinders is exactly 412.5 hp). It's got all the ingredients of a supercar killer. I used to think that the BRZ was unnecessary in a world where you could buy a used S2000, but I was wrong. The capabilities of this chassis far outweigh those of any other chassis ever made that's not hundreds of thousands of dollars more expensive. I cannot think of a single car that's as large on its wheels as this one, AND weighs less, AND has a smaller drag area, AND is built to modern standards of safety and solidity. It doesn't exist. And if it does, it's an exotic, foreign hypercar.
I have an FR-S but there's something about the WRX that is grabbing my attention now. I love the look of the FR-S but the WRX's frumpyness seems almost cool and distinctively Japanese. The angry looking economy sedan.
I can't believe that you tested a Mustang against that level of competition without specifying a performance package for the Mustang. The upgrades to the tires and suspension are too significant to ignore. Please redo this video using the a properly equipped car. Also, the price you quoted for the Mustang ($38,000) is inaccurate by a large margin. I bought my Ecoboost on 3/31/15 for $33,064 (sticker price was $35,765). Mine has the performance pack ($1,995) and the 201A package ($1,765 - includes upgraded audio, memory seats & blind spot assistance). Your test car does not have either of those options. Mine has everything that Ford offers for the car except adaptive cruise control. I drove the other cars in your test plus the STI and Camaro SS & chose the Mustang.
Had a Mustang GT with the performance package. Best car I ever owned in the summer. It has way too much power to even consider driving it in the winter so don't even think about it. If you have the money, go for the GT and get a winter car. I traded the stang for a WRX, I LOVE the car! It really grows on you, I see what all the fuss is about, GREAT car.
EverydayDriver Hey guys! I was at the Octane Academy with you guys and had no idea who I was talking to until I watched one of your videos and it hit me, I have seen some of them before. It was awesome to meet you guys and can't wait to see the video you put together of the Octane Academy! I was the guy in the Fiesta you put all the GoPros in haha.
+Hyundai Accent Fan Club Own a 15' Accent. Owned a 13' Mustang and a 09' Porsche. Can't beat the value of the Accent. Now I'm looking at buying a BRZ/FR-S. To me, the BRZ/FR-S is as nimble as a Porsche.
Oranje Renaissance Oh yea for sure, I never said they wasn't rugged or reliable cars. They are rally bred unstoppable machines. There is a reason they have had the exact same engine in the STI's for around 20 years. I guess me saying that the transmission was glass was a bit of an over statement. But I have heard that the 6-speed it much tougher than the 5-speeds. That if you plan on adding much more torque or drive it hard by dumping the clutch that the 5-speeds won't last. But of course if you plan on driving it casually then it will last you.
I purchased in this froup and went with a FiestaST with Recaro's. at 23k with some more options it was way cheaper than the rest of this field and I love it
Wow thanks alot guys...Ive been waiting for this video to be made like 6 months ago when i was considering buying a new car lol... And its funny because these wer all cars in my list (wrx15, brz, fiesta, focus, mustang ecoboost) that i was considering. Im glad i went with my ecoboost mustang.. And thats hard considering i was going from an 02 wrx (sold it to get mustang) ud think i choose the wrx or brz..(and im a hard core subaru guy) Buttt for the $24500 i got my mustang for, the hp and tq and highway mpgs did it for me.. Six months later i have to say im happy with my decision.. Im pushing 400tq and 368hp to the wheels after tune, downpipe full exhaust and intake :) beats my old subaru ,..and any stock 15 Gt that cost 7k more :)
Justin Donahue I totally agree. Todd more favors lightweight, raw, and driver centric cars over pure horsepower and too much weight/size. But I'm sure other car guys like Paul more as he is the counterbalance to Todd.
Justin Donahue Paul is really the epitome of the "everyday driver." I find it refreshing actually. So many automotive journalists, Todd included, focus on what it's like to drive cars the way they were meant to be driven, which is not always the way they ARE driven. The FRS and WRX are dynamically brilliant, but they don't feel special unless you're whipping them around a twisty road. But in terms of an everyday driver, the Mustang is the nicer car to be in. 90% of the time, you're going to the store, or you're cruising on the highway, and for that, the Mustang is the best car here.
@@tacklefatkids .... And it'll get 30 miles per gallon in the city while being able to carry two mountain bikes in the back with the hatch closed. All while being dirt cheap to maintain and practically bulletproof reliable! And yes I've had mine for years and nothing puts a smile on your face like this car. When Ford does hot hatches, they are always world class
Mustang is only better than WRX in straight line, that's it. On track, on snowy road, wet road, on mud gravel WRX..even gets better fuel economy. Also more reliable.
Even in a straight line, it depends on who's driving. The WRX is a difficult car to launch perfectly because the AWD is not very forgiving if you miss your clutch dump. But once you master the AWD turbo launch, it will blow the Ecoboost away off the line. It's not even close.
I don't know about a track. Many mustangs are built for the track, the Boss 302, gt350 track package, shelby gt500 track package. Not quite sure the wrx is better. Not to mention, basic mustangs can also be adapted to the track as well.
AbsoluteyAmerican Basically am talking about Mustang in same price range as WRX. Which is V6 or Eco boost. WRX even punches above its weight. I guess BOSS 302 is way more pricier?
Oranje Renaissance Just like the WRX, you can add many different packages to the Mustang, while you could put a track package on the Eco Boost, the question would be why? The 302, is definitely more expensive at $42,0000, no argument there.
I went out to buy a GT 5.0 base with the PPbut at this point in my life I still require back seats and AWD where I live is a huge plus. The ST never came into the picture for me. I bought a 15 WRX and after owning it 2.5 mths I have to say it is a BLAST and it is the only car I have had that has made me crack open my wallet and start modding it. To end up with 300-320 hp is easy and that translates into about 260 at the wheels. With that power the WRX is just a riot and I actually love it. To date I have found the awd awesome in the dry on twisty roadss here in BC. 4 yrs down the road I expect i will be in a 5.0, but who knows at this point I am loving the REX
EverydayDriver Couldn't agree more w/Todd on ranking the FR-S 1st overall! As someone who DD's the FR-S I can attest to everything you mentioned and every time I hop into the driver's seat I am instantly reminded on why I love it soooo much. The whole "Well, it's boring in anything but a winding or twisty road" argument is a bit played out as this thing can reach triple digits without a problem, probably not nearly as fast as the Ecoboost 'Stang or WRX, but we gotta remember that the FR-S is naturally aspirated. Call me crazy, but I'd take NA over boost 9/10 times. Yet another amazing review...kudos guys!
I think its funny when ppl bash the Ecoboost Stang for being a 4 cylinder when it makes the same power as a GT from just 5 years ago. It would destroy a lot of Mustang enthusiast's prior models.
I totally agree with you. It's funny how that all works out.
duane willis new technology wins, coming from an iron headed fox owner
duane willis yeah till the motor pulls timing..
If the motor pulls timing, it's because it is detecting knock/detonation due to poor fuel quality or excess heat. I'd rather it pull timing to protect my engine then just let it go grenade itself. Either way, these are not major problems to anyone familiar with turbo cars.
duane willis
The assumption here is that you think everyone here will be familiar to one.
New Fiesta ST owner here, and I can't get over how fun it is... while also being an excellent city daily driver, and being relatively dirty cheap. It's almost perfect (for me) :)
Your comment is seven years old...just got me a 2018 fist and holy shit...wayyy too much fun. Absolutely in love...and that's coming from someone that has owned a 2006 wrx as well
@@RMFnHI'm thinking of getting a FiST
@@RMFnH Hola bro, got a fist last week, absolutely fantastic toy to have😊
Thinking of getting a fiesta ST as well!
@@RMFnH LOL just got mine a week ago, 2016 with custom exhaust , intercooler, and tuning....OOOOO MAMAA
LOL he called the WRX a Toyota corolla with a hood scoop.
JD JoyrideTV I think he was just talking about looks lol. I don't get why the new subies get so much shit about appearance though, I think they look pretty good.
MAEguy it's really just about every car when they come out ppl don't like them at first but after time it seems to grow on you.
JD JoyrideTV Lol true. I hated the look of the S550 right up until I bought an S197. Now I love it lol.
MAEguy Compared to the original concept they look worse though. I agree with the "Corolla with a hood scoop" comment. Would probably still buy it over the others.
MAEguy Subies have ALWAYS gotten shit every year for looks, another face lift goes by and the previous one becomes the greatest thing ever..
I've watched a ton of car reviews on a ton of different testers and I've never seen any car get as much "smiles" and "laughs" than the Fiesta ST. It's truly incredible to keep watching every tester and reviewer and they all say how much the Fiesta ST just makes them smile. I really want to try it.
Did you end up trying it? I've had mine for 6 years and it still makes me smile.
FRS body, WRX engine, and mustang interior would be a perfect make.
+SheWantsTheD Mustang body, Mustang engine, and Mustang interior.
lol frs shares the same engine as a wrx bro but onlder models (frs owner) but its slow so yeah
@@proxempire4681 yes but the frs is not turbocharged
Are you kidding me the mustang Coyote engine is way better than the WRX. Better power, sound, reliability, and mpg
Sooooo a boosted brz...
I'm too poor to watch this video.
Alem just get an onahole instead
Alem All of those cars start at UnDeR $30,000. All of them are relatively inexpensive.
tavshedfjols Even an Altima, is expensive for me.
Alem Should've stayed in school, or studied harder.....
Adam McGee I'm a full time college student with a part-time job.
Never would I have ever guessed that someone would say that an American car has the best interior in any comparison. It's a new day lol
+REBeL_TM Idk how the can say that it looks cool but half of all those cool buttons and gadgets will have broken within the first week. My 2016 WRX might have boring looks and interior but it feels so much more solid and well built than the fords. I have noticed it in many of the fords i have looked at and driven they all have so many buttons and gadgets but it all feels so cheep.
REBeL_TM well when it's 10k more then all of these cars it better be better
I have an EcoBoost without those options, and I have to say, it still looks 10k more expensive than the competition.
For reference, I have these options:
Performance pack
Navigation system
10-speed auto
Sync3
The car cost 26k from the dealership.
i have a 17 ecoboost and i absolutely love it. If anyone is considering a mustang 8 or 4 just know that although the gt has much more power, the boost is still crazy fun to drive and is pretty much faster than 80% of cars on the road
Ide rather the V6 than the 4 banger....same power, same MPG....but on pump gas, with a better engine note and more reliable.
Everytime I get into a 2015 Mustang I am just absolutely blown away by the amount of space the driver has. The legroom, shoulder room, and even headroom is immense, and thats coming from a guy who is 6'3" 260lbs. My biggest gripe though is I find the hood to be way to high and I find my self not really being able to place the front end where I want it to be because I cant see past the freaking hood. EverydayDriver Great feature length video as always! Your new lineup and schedule is awesome.
5:04 The speedometer says "Ground Speed" cause the car's name is based off of a P-51 Mustang jet. So yes, in a stupid sense, it is an airplane.
The 5th King ROFL
The 5th King -_- no, no the P-51 is not a jet.
It's a prop-driven fighter plane, but a jet it is not
The 5th King Hmm... thought mustang was for the horsey.. being a 'pony'-n-all.. but.. ya live-ya learn!
J Thom Well the plane was named after the horse so in a sense, it's named after a horse, too! But the 'executive stylist' at the time was a huge fan of the WWII fighter.
ModBargains My bad.
Brilliant review, as usual! Your WRX vs. BRZ sold me on a WRX last year and I couldn't be happier.
Adam Thimmig - Thrilled that our review was helpful to you. Very pleased to know you have a car you love as that's our primary goal. Thanks for letting us know!
I absolutely love how you guys go back and forth between the cars so the consumer can eventually narrow it down. great lengthy review. I dig it.
CeeStyleDj - You've hit on our exact intention. We're very glad you're enjoying what we do. Thanks for watching!
This is the first time I've seen these guys and I'm very impressed. They are smart and communicate their thoughts and feelings very, very well. I'll be looking for more of their work
Excellent work.
Just want to say I really enjoy your videos. Especially while going through Top Gear withdrawal, as I'm sure we all are, it's great to have stuff like this. You guys are straightforward, honest, unbiased, and legitimately enthusiastic about cars. It's a breath of fresh from all the BS and trolling out there.
Hell yeah. I'm tired of the car scene. Bunch of people always talking trash about other cars.
@19:16 When he said he's been against FWD cars for the longest.... I used to be the same. Until I purchased a Fiesta ST. It is so fun. I have a 15 WRX also. I feel like the FiST is more fun honstely. Both great cars. Awesome video guys! Thank you so much for all your hard work!
I wonder why Subura hasn't green lit a BRZ STI yet. Seems like it would be such a good fit.
+manrightchea 1. US federal regulations 2. emissions 3. price for the market(profit margin wont be that good)
FRS with more power go aftermarket turbos and super chargers are available. MotorTrend had a 400 hp FRS in their channel, I think the full turbo kit is $6800 plus installation & the engine is not stock
It's a hairdresser's car, it doesn't need a lot of power.
Coming from the future, they did it. it still has 200HP.
@@basshead. if the brz had more power it'd be the best budget sports car period. You dont know shit
It goes against the purpose of the car. It’s made to be a sporty, everyday driver that’s reliable and won’t break the bank.
If you want to do mods, you can since the BRZ/FRS/86 has a huge aftermarket.
"Let's test cars in the $25,000-30,000 price range."
Gets in $38,000 Mustang.
What a great comparison, guys.
+Markus R - As you may have noticed in this review and elsewhere we get these cars from the manufacturer press fleets. Unfortunately that means they are often set up with every possible option and absurd prices. In the case of this car we hope you heard all the times we berated the price of this particular example as not the way to buy this car. This overpriced version was what Ford provided, but it is available in the price range we're discussing. (in fact, so is the FR-S, which was also over-spec'd here - and we mentioned that as well). If the Mustang had beat out all the other cars here, or was picked because of a feature only available at this $38k price then we would have mentioned it, but neither of those things happened either. We hope that helps a bit. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
+EverydayDriver Maybe I'm too sensitive to bad qualitative methods, but the caveats offered still do not change the incidental effects of the differences in the models on the reviewer. Apples to oranges, as they say, but you do have to use what the manufacturers give you and I still appreciate the reviews.
+Markus R - We see your point and concerns here. But keep in mind that by the end of the comparison the Mustang didn't get away with anything (in fact Todd picked it last). Even though Paul liked it more, both guys were appalled at the price. We don't think Ford did itself any favors by having this car as their press car, but both understand their thinking and appreciate you understanding our situation. Also know that we're very glad to have you with us and engaging in a conversation. Thanks!
+EverydayDriver This is how a UA-cam channel should be run.
You gotta think an ecoboost even with the performance package will still be under $30,000. I don't think all the technology packages like navigation, or blind spot warning or premier leather instead of just leather, rain sensing wipers, were displayed or affects the driving review. That was only advantageous when comparing interior quality. Price was up because it's a loaded ecoboost premium. Regular ecoboost will have a cheaper interior and still handle the same.
"When you get on this car, I mean you really spank it hard, it scampers. I mean this car gets with it."
😂😂😂😂😂
One of the worst videos ever. Ford payed them.
I love your reviews. You guys give such a great in depth analysis. You don't get silly with editing and keep it on point.
I have had my 2015 Subaru WRX for 1 year now. I have 34k miles on it. I commute 100 miles a day and it's a wonderful DD, even with some upgrades. Even after all the driving I do, I'm still always finding excuses to go out and drive it more.
Thanks for the video. My 2017 Mustang Ecoboost premium is my daily driver. Since I bought it used I saved thousands of dollars. I love the looks and comfort. It has plenty of power for me and I really like the size of the car.
WRX hands down for best balance of performance, every day driver, safety, versatility, all wheel drive, reliability, resale value, fun to drive, and tuning options.
Wrx and reliable don't go togheter bro
@@loneokami6560 I heard it's ok when stock, but people just put stage 100 on it the second they drove off the lot.
100% except for when your engine blows up at 50k miles like my buddies and then Subaru doesnt want to cover the warranty because you drove too fast
I own a Fiesta St and this new Ecoboost engine is the best ford ever made very reliable
and somewhere the Civic Si cries a tear of loneliness for not even getting mentioned...
taelen20 Car has been the same for nearly 10 years (performance wise). Nobody cares anymore.
XenomorphLV426 Sadly, the last gen(06-11) Si was more fun/aggressive than the current Si. It even had a faster 0-60 time and could go 1k RPM more than the current. Here's hoping the new and upcoming civic will be able to keep up with the competition.
taelen20 the Si is a bad joke.
I blew one away with my Old rusted 1964 C10.
if u can't beat a truck, there is an issue.
H0okemh0rns yet it's not a good car anymore.
SANIC I wouldnt say it isnt a good car, but it is certainly long in the tooth at this point and correctly had no place in this comparison
My dad just bought a focus ST. they car is freaking awesome. it handles like a boxster!!!
I test drove the fiesta se. And bought it... 13,700. I love it. So fast handling excellent around corners...
I was just rear ended in mine and totalled. 170,000 miles and loved it.
17:00 his face says it all. the fiesta is the most fun to drive.
he went for serious technical analysis to smiling silly in one cut.
Nimble, peppy, wrong wheel drive. I agree with them being among the best in that class. But more fun than a slower 911, which is essentially how a brz feels, I'd disagree.
Like he says, really depends what kind of car you like.
@@RexApplegate funny how the wrong wheel drive can eat you in the corners in the canyons and has the most fun to it. The power to weight ratio is similar to that of a Lotus Elise. Try driving it then you'll know.
@@tacklefatkids I was a mechanic at a Ford dealer for years. My opinions are based on driving them many times.
If you like them you are in good company. By my tastes they go defiantly screaming past the line where fwd becomes a total joke.
You guys lost some credibility for not understanding why the Mustang's speedo says ground speed. The Mustang is named after the fighter plane, the P-51 Mustang. So yes, we are flying. It adds some more character to the car.
Wait, so it's not named after the horse known as the Mustang? The same horse of which is plastered everywhere on the car? The same horse that created the segment known as pony cars? Hmm I mean I don't see any planes printed anywhere on the car, I must've been wrong all these years.
2010BlownSS Yup, you were wrong all these years. Google it. The Mustang is named after the fighter plane, which is named after the horse. One of the designers at Ford, John Najjar, was a fan of the P-51 Mustang and suggested that as the name. Hence the ground speed label on the speedo.
moparmaniac21 I don't think the Mustang was named after the fighterplane. In the original 60's ads the new mustang was pictured driving among running horses. Think Pinto, not aircraft.
@@2010BlownSS it was named after both. It's not an either/or thing.
@@williamjordan5554 It was very much so named after the plane, which was named after a horse. Fuckin idiots.
purchased a 2019 fiesta st brand new, have never looked back, put $15k in the car mostly custom fab mods, and he purrs like a cat every single time. Definitely the best thing I have ever done with my money. One of the most underappreciated cars in the scene in the US
Did you know that you can tune the engine up to 400bhp? That's part of the reason why I got mine. However, it's far easier to find tuners who can do 340bhp, like Revo with their Stage 4 big turbo kit.
I spent months going through the Fiesta ST or Scion FRS debate. I ended picking up a brand new Fiesta ST two weeks ago because of how much fun it is to drive.
Thank you for this video, I have been asking people for a comparison like this for a while and maybe I just didn't look or something but hey you guys did it and that's all that counts. Awesome!!
YES! Just what I needed!
Can you guys do a direct Fiesta ST and Focus ST comparo? I feel like a lot of people struggle (myself included) on which ST brother is better when considering all aspects of ownership
***** interesting, are the changes that noticeable? I thought that the changes wouldn't really be noticeable considering it was a mid cycle refresh after only 2 years. If anything, they made the car slower apparently
***** It would seem that whatever changes they made results in less grip, more weight, and slower acceleration. At least according to Motor Trend's tests. It was just overall slower
***** That's what I'm struggling with. I don't know which one I'd rather have. They're both great and have things that I want. Ultimately, if the Fiesta ST looked a little better (wasn't so tall and narrow) and had better interior quality, I'd go with the FiST. If the Focust ST had the same driving feel as the Fiesta, with less torque steer and weight, I'd go with it. I have to find a compromise in between which is kind of hard
maximus9401 The Fiesta is way more fun than the Focus.
maximus9401 I've driven both on a track and AutoX, and I own a FocusST. The Focus just feels faster, is faster, more practical, feels more expensive, and is overall better. Honestly, I didn't get feel that the Fiesta had a significant leg up on "fun" factor. It's more fun to go faster and turn quicker... get the Focus ST.
When you drive the wrx you can feel your heart pumping blood hard.
When you drive a classic from the 70s with original loose steering you can feel your heart pumping crazy!!
im a proud owner of a fiesta st. its an amazing car for the money and already has a decent aftermarket. its cool to know i purchased a car that is compared to great cars such as the frs and wrx :)
How has it held up since 6 years ago lol
@@DigitalRecollections haha I still have the car. I did all the bolt ons and a bigger turbo. It put down 380whp on e40 about 4 years ago. Since then it ran strong for awhile, stock internals. I used to drag race a lot and it held up. The transmission is the weak point, I went through 3 of them. The engine finally took a shit last November. So it held up for quite awhile. I swapped in a newer engine and plan on selling it after I get everything back to where it was. I had my fun with this car but it’s time to move on. They’re great cars for the money and the stock 1.6L olds a decent amount of power with supporting mods.
OK, I just have to add my comments here. The guys are pretty spot on their comments. I bought my 2018 base model Ecoboost 6 months ago. Note, I said base model, for $21,500. That means a six speed manual transmission. It's black and I love it. I have about 5,500 miles on it and 2,500 of that was a trip to Wisconsin. I am in my early 60's and still ride fast Italian (Ducati and Guzzi) bikes. The Mustang is pretty much the prefect car for me. I do most of my driving around town, and they are right, if you aren't paying attention and are sloppy with your shifting and throttle from a start you can stall the car. That doesn't happen any more. And yes you have to work and pay attention a bit more from say a Focus, I had a 2002 Focu, but it's well worth it. It is a great car to go out and play on corners and drive hard, we have nice mountains here in New Mexico. But I spend 95% of my time driving city/highway, the Mustang shines on cruising on the highway. Rolling along at 90-95 mph on cruise control and it's just loafing and yes I did that going through Texas and Kansas. Reasonable gas mileage of about 27-28. Ford has a real winner with the Ecoboost Mustang, remember I bought mine for $21,500, talk about bang for the buck. A base model comes with a really nice set of base line goodies. And it's a lot of fun to use around town too, when you're first at stop lights it's pretty hard to not leave folks behind very quickly..... Top speed is limited to 120 mph....but that could be changed I guess. I am going to leave my car stock, it does everything I want, so why change it. I don't plan on putting it on the track so why bother, do I really want or need to go over 120mph... nah for me that's OK. And I really like the exhaust tone on it, I've heard the V-8's, and they sound awesome, but I am not sure I want to listen to them for hours on end. You really can't say that the Ecoboost Mustang is a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's a Mustang and it looks just like the 8's....but it's a completely different sort of car. That 310 hp really shines, turbo lag just really isn't there. It's nice to know when you punch it it really gets up and goes......not as fast as a V-8....but at 21.5K that's fine with me. Mine has summer tires on it and it's crap on snow, we do get some here in Albuquerque. But there are video's on UA-cam that point out they really need to have snow tires if you plan on driving in snow. I am glad I don't live up north any more:) Tom
Great review. I've had the Ecoboost for about 7 months now and I absolutely love it. I'm assuming that the price of the tested model factored a lot into that 4th place rating, and I agree completely. Anyone paying 38k for this car is out of their mind. I paid 30k for mine. If 38k were in my range you can bet I'd be looking at the GTs.
Diehard Mustang fan but I'm going to buy the Fiesta ST or the FRS next year. Much more affordable, cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, more fun that's more easily attainable. To be honest as well, I think owning a Mustang would ruin it for me just because I expect so much from it. I love the turbo punch from the Fiesta and it's practicality, but it still looks like an econobox in many ways. The FRS follows the "looks follows form" philosophy. It looks good, and it is good. The analog sensation of the FRS is what makes me so attracted to it. Plus the Japanese engineering always seems to find ways to surprise me. Throw a turbo kit on the FRS and you will never look back! Anyway you look at it, these are all great cars, in a great time for the automotive world.
Agreed. They are fantastic cars. The FRS is very fun to drive with its stock tires. :) I live in Los Angeles and there are plenty mountain roads out here!
HotMetal524 I'm torn between the ST and 86 too.
I've had my FRS for a little over 2 years, I have every mod you can do to an NA engine without opening it and it's pretty quick bro! Full bolt ons, aluminum driveshaft, light weight pulleys, light weight flywheel, rear seat delete, light wheels and some good ol E85! Very light and I have quite a bit whp over stock. I kill v6 mustangs, s2ks, focus and fiesta STs pretty easily(check out the vids on my page), modern V8s are pretty hard to beat with a little NA 2.0 so I don't even try to race them. Lol I'm very happy with my car if you're going to modify and even turbo the FRS it will make you so happy every day you drive it! Plus the community is great(there are some douche bags but the majority of the people are awesome).
There is just a coolness factor the Mustang has that the others do not. Mustang even with a turbo is still just plain cool.
Great review and simply love the editing. I'm not a Mustang guy but I love the look and Ecoboost engine. Living in the wet coast, the WRX would be my choice - also practical with 2 car seats in the back. Keep up the great work!!
dccaptcrash - Thank you. It's a lot of editorial work, but we're very pleased when it plays well for you guys. Greatly appreciate you watching and commenting!
EverydayDriver do you guys think you could do a review of the eclipse gsx?
I bought an EcoBoost and I have no regrets. The Interior is real Aluminum, real leather so sturdy, very responsive and with tunes and forged parts and people getting 550 hp out of them its going to be a far more car for the enthusiast
I kept my 07 GT however and miss the tone of the muffler in my Eco
dccaptcrash The new Focus RS will be your choice as well...
The Fiesta ST Was what it took to get me out of the RWD forever mindset. Once you drive one of these cars and take it around some corners fast it is just amazing the amount of performance you can ring out of the Fiesta ST. I have had several cars that where orders of magnitude faster. The fiesta is just as much fun in the corners as any of them and I love how easily and predictably the tail comes around without any fear of overextending ones talent. Its just plain fun and 35mpg on the highway and room for the family too.
Great review! Thank you. I have 12 thousand miles on my 2014 FRS, supercharged, and daily drive it with no issues. I'm a sports car enthusiast, so it fits the bill for me.
Fiesta ST! Fun!!!!!!
I do love my Fiesta ST! But all cars are great too!
I agree, that's why I bought a Fiesta ST. It's great!
@CatchMahDrift Fiesta ST. Brz is over priced and over hyped .
Fiesta ST x New Miata maybe be the future of fun for buck enthusiastic car right?
I am normally not big on Mustangs,currently have a 300C and I love that linebacker in a suit! So my thinking is V8 all day,for our other vehicle I was leaning towards a Challenger R/T,my husband drove a Camaro,a Charger,Challenger and Mustang (both ecoboost and GT) He friggin loved the ecoboost! I'm like WHAT? Why?!?! I thought it was sacrilege.Needless to say he bought a 2016 premium one.Driving home from the dealership I had a good head start in my 300 Hemi..I look back,there he is! I drove it later on and this lil mustang surprised me,it's not weak by any means.I hated it less after that.Not a total convert but not mad at it either. BTW,Ford REALLY stepped up their interior game big time!
I bought a 2017 ecoboost mustang. Premium Package
Used In great shape..
A 34,000 dollar car . For 17,700 .00
And it looks brand new and runs great fast and fun to drive
Why do i feel like Ford's CEO is pointing a gun at them behind the camera?
+Fahad AlQanaee - Not sure why you feel that way - especially considering the guys had critiques for the Ford products along with the Scion and Subaru. Plus, if you watched the whole review then you saw the Ford's weren't picked as the universal winners in the end. But no matter what, thanks for watching and commenting!
+EverydayDriver Hahah... maybe he felt what I just did... At some point it feel like a Ford advertising... still I liked the video and want a Ford ST or a Golf R.. thanks guys...
+Fahad AlQanaee
Because this was obviously an ad for the Mustang. The reviewers spent most of their time discussing the Fords and nearly none on the Subaru despite saying in so many words it was the most powerful and best handling.
+Gerald Manis you're just a ford hater
the video was about the ford the first place, they said that in the beginning
what cars can you get within the 25,000 dollar price range besides the ford mustang and get the most out of it
and they argued
+Gerald Manis So absolutely no credit to Ford for building some amazing cars?
Good review like how todd reviews. I would do the same ranking, but for me I would take the BRZ. For me it is better value than the FR-S based on interior and exterior just my preference.
I picked up a 2015 mustang ecoboost premium 6spd w/8k on the odometer 2 months ago. Mint....for a work car. I paid 22k. I never buy brand new because of that crazy 1st year depreciation. The car is extremely nice and not a watered down exterior of the 5.0.
So I got the look of the 5.0 w/o a couple little hood vents and some simple grill work and chin piece, same interior, cheaper insurance, getting 38 mpg on the highway in wet/snow drive mode, and a boatload of performance upgrades that have made it night and day from the "quick" car it started out, including some Ferrada 20" wheels/tires. So I have a completely unique car as compared to a stock 5.0
My days of shaving tenths off in the quarter are over and I got a Z06 if I need to go THAT fast. But this car is so nice that I'm going to give up on it being a daily driver. All this rambling, only to say its a great car and highly recommend. I'm an old svo guy, so it was cool to go back to that niche market.
Can you please share your review after 2 years of having it. Planning to get one, should I ?
I must say the ford Fiesta has come a long way i remember my best friends first car was a 1987 model but was fun and quick brings back memories
Ecoboost Mustang - 3,532 lbs
WRX - 3269 lbs
FRS - 2,806 lbs
Fiesta ST - 2,720 lbs
Great review and I'm sure you were just generalizing when you said the Mustang was 1000 pounds more, but not quite. Sure shows how the slower cars can be more fun! I'd still get a Mustang because if you get the base version you can get it for 22k-23k. Based on the looks alone and the tuner potential I'd call it the winner if as a daily driver (sans a family lol).
Ecoboost stang all day with 6 speed!
WRX all the way no questions asked
This is one of your best reviews I can remember. Your thoughtfulness and multifacited approach, always good, shines here. What do you thing the performance pack would have adden or subtracted, besides money obviously we would option it downscale.
I have the fiesta st and I love it
Just got a 2015 Ford Fiesta ST 3 days ago and I could not be happier with my decision. For the price and how well it performs, it really will amaze you. I suggest anyone who is looking for a new car definitely go check one of these out, at least test drive it. You will not regret doing so!
Compare a $25k Mustang to the others, not the $40k version.
Ford was developing a DOHC turbo four in the SVO back in the 80's, but killed it because it was becoming faster than the V8 mustang (and that's just un-'murican). Makes you wonder what the Mustang could be today if they had pursued it.
idriwzrd glad at least one other person thought it was foolish to compare a car full loaded worth 38k to standard 25k cars... they gave the mustang so much love because obviously its the best looking car. Would it have been that hard to get a standard base model mustang and do a fair comparison?
+MissBunny850 yep the standard 4 Cyl ecoboost mustang is $25,395
+jldude84 Maybe you've forgotten about this little thing called inflation.
The base Mustang GT is a great deal. It's just those non-performance options that Ford is clearly overcharging for.
***** I think the new Mustang looks great. On looks alone I'd take it, but the new Camaro also looks pretty good, and has a bit more performance (but also price).
Dead, that's what, it's a Mustang, V8, and still going strong today, 460hp for $35k, what a bargain! As a 4.6L S197 owner I know that a V6 or I4 is of no use to me. My car is a giant, heavy, piece of plastic (and crude shifter) with an engine anyone outside of 'Murica would sell one of their extra organs for. I've lived overseas, btw. I love the Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 too but it's a totally different machine. A fart can can't make your turbo four, DOHC or not, sound as good my Dynomax.
He says the fiesta is the slowest, but in reality the FRS is.
Everyday driver I like to say your review/comparison of all these cars are right on the money great review keep up the great work!
I love your videos guys, always speaking the truth ...i used to have a limited BRZ but i was always missing that 40 HP to make it perfect. now i rock Fiesta ST and i love that toy car. It doesnt take it self seriously and performs much better as a daily driver then the 86 ever did ( yes i understand the torque steer is there and seat position is a bit too high) but over all this car puts a smile on my face every day and i think that is what matters.
I love my Oxford White Fiesta ST. It's more fun than my JDM RHD Mitsubishi Evo IV was for everyday driving and corner entry speed. THat being said my EVO had aftermarket coilovers. So far the mod list includes an FSwerks catback exhaust, mountune springs, cobb motor mount, Green filter, Boomba wing risers, and lamin-x Fog covers. For the price you pay, I can guarantee you get a LOT of fun and car with the FiST.
Cheers
0:36 "This is the first 4 cylinder mustang since that SVO they made in the eighties"
Really guys? Really? The last year of the SVO was 1986. Ford made 4 cylinder Mustangs in 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993.
Derek K not 4 cylinder turbos
That is a very good point. It is also worth noting though that those base 4 bangers in fox bodies were not turboed. That was reserved for the SVO.
Derek K - Todd is talking and thinking about turbo Mustangs when he says that - but you're right he should have clarified by saying "first TURBO 4 Cylinder Mustang since..." The guys aren't perfect, as this proves. We hope you enjoyed the rest of the film. Thanks for listening close and keeping us honest!
EverydayDriver Best review yet! My 2 favourite new cars - Fiesta ST vs Toyota 86.... unfortunately, still haven't been able to make up my mind. Also, I recently purchased the 50 years of Porsche video - great work. So here's a question - where would you guys rank the Carrera 3.2 amongst the ST and 86? Kind regards.
incar95678 Fiesta ST = more practical and still fun as hell....Toyota more of a pure sports car...not as practical. If its gonna be a dailt do the Fiesta ST...if its a weekend warrior, its a coin flip.....drive em both and trust your gut
WRX >
Crazy to put the Mustang with this group- it's a completely different buyer altogether. But, it does provide the angst for comparison. If you are considering any Mustang- you are NOT looking at the ST vehicles- for LOTS of reasons. But, if you are considering any ST- new, or, used- the WRX is also in the mix. The Toyobaru is a more selfish purchase, and, although a good dancer, doesn't offer much 'more' for tuning prospects- without another motor being fitted.
Since most people get 1 car, it's gonna have to do many things over time. Leaving the WRX & ST's as most viable for different reasons. Personally, I'm so impressed with the Fiesta ST- it wins hands down for all of MY individual reasons: kids, commuter MPG, grocery hauler, dump runs, tunable (large & growing product line) & requires the least initial modification to 'just right'. Right now they can be had for $17 grand with 20k miles- in all colors & options desired- off lease. Not bad depreciation, but, better than $25-26 large brand new.
Just one man's opinion, I suggest you make your own! Great video.
+David C. Gulliver I bought a brand new fiesta ST for 20k out the door. (bone stock, but not really much to add that piqued my interest) Super happy with it. Tuning options look really promising too!
@@wr41thx29 I absolutely agree. Last year I bought a new 2017 Mustang ecoboost premium and I had never considered any of the other cars. If I was young and all I could afford was a cheaper car that's not a real sports car but looks kinda sporty, then maybe. But most people don't buy small cheap ugly car just because it has a fast 0 - 60. Mind you, I've had mostly Trans Am's , until Pontiac went away. I had 2 new Camaro's since then and I wasn't impressed. I never like Mustangs until I bought a 2014 convertible and I loved it. Then traded it in for the 2017.
@@pixofu01 still Loving my ST! It had some problems with the AC (Florida), but warranty took good care of it. I'm sadly going to be selling her soon since I'm moving across the country to WA and going back to school full time.
Just for finding an EcoBoost Mustang with the Recaros optionals these guys deserve a like
Probably their best review to date and I think they did a great job highlighting all the pros and cons. I own a 2015 WRX (previously owned a BRZ prior to this car) and the WRX is just so much more practical. I do agree that with the FA20DIT engine from the WRX in the BRZ, that car would be a beast.
The Ecoboost Mustang's interior is so nice, but I just did not love my test drive at all. The car felt too heavy to me, and the steering too vague.
For me:
Exterior looks : BRZ
Handling: BRZ
Overall performance: WRX
Practicality: WRX
Most fun to drive: WRX
Interior looks/fit finish: Mustang
Best value: WRX
thillyard1 Most fun to drive should have been BRZ
got a BRZ few weeks ago and im loving it!
Good
+Rene Garcia
Needs a supercharger to become relevant.
U gonna buy it for me Joseph Martin
+Joseph Martin To become relevant?
Clearly it is already very relevant.
So much so that its almost unanimously praised in the stock form.
+Rene Garcia how good is it I feel like getting one
3 years later and here I am wasting time between studying watching one of my favorite old episodes.
How about a refreshed version? Greatest hits 2.0 since we lost the fiesta st here in the states and a few years have passed with some more intruders (LOOKING AT YOU VELOSTER N).
I personally am about halfway done racking up miles on my 2017 86 and something doesn’t sit well with just buying a new version of the same old car ... I would have any of those above... except the mustang it would just cause me to have to explain myself too much too often to people who know nothing about cars.
Wait..... I’m already doing that with the 86 🤣
i wouldn't say the WRX is a sleeper... I constantly get rev'd at in traffic or camaros want to "ricer flyby" me on the freeway.. it draws some attention that I particularly don't want a lot of the time which is why I went with it as my DD. Also that's a premium wrx which starts at 28K.. and you're comparing it to a 38K mustang and talking about interior quality, you might as well have gotten the 2015 STI and compared it to the EcoBoost 'stang at that price..
and I just realized all the other cars are in silver/grey while they mustang is red.. I'm sure that wasn't planned..
The Mustang is the newcomer to this car segment so I could see why they chose to visually display it in a different color for presentation.
Jeremy the WRX was black, no?
gnarkilleptic no that's subarus dark grey metallic
Jeremy o youre right
Jeremy the Subaru is a much better car, try driving a Mustang on slippery roads or put both these cars in a rally race, we all know what the outcome will be lol
Always nice reviews. I bought a FRS (because of a Chris Harris review...) and i'm very happy with it. It's true that the engine is not so great and that it's not a highway car. But it's conformatable enough to be a everyday car (to go to work) and to put a big smile on you on every corner. Roundabouts will be the higlight of your day.
What a great time to be a car buyer. So many terrific options from nearly every major manufacturer. Add the GTI and Focus ST to the 4 cars tested and it truly comes down to personal preference and features. Trying to argue which is 'best' is like arguing where's the best place to live.
IVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THE WRX LOOKS LIKE A COROLLA WITH A HOOD SCOOP SINCE IT CAME OUT!!! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES!!! but I'm totally gonna buy a 2013 wrx though... those are bae.
The Wrx would rape the Corolla lmao
@@nativezs mk but they spent a combined 5hrs in the visual design stage.
Paul hit it right on the money. The only reason why I am considering a Mustang is because of the ecoboost. V8s are nice and dandy, but I have no need for one.
Y not
:D
***** i get around 20-21 mpg in my '14 GT. No highway, and still have some fun.
V8s weren't as efficient as they are today, plus the lack of an independent rear suspension was a turn off. I am glad for the changes Ford made. I think the next step is to get the Ecoboost on a diet.
i own the FRS and i love it :)
I LOVE that you did them all in manual,
Been driving an ecoboost mustang premium for almost 2 months here. Took it on a road trip, drive it to work everyday, and so on.
Pros:
1. If you like fast cars (by fast I mean faster than most cars you see on the road, those grandmas driving 4 cylinders or soccer moms driving minivans, or just like a lot of people that drive cars to get them from point A to B), but you're on a gas budget like me, this is the ULTIMATE car. I drove a 310 horsepower car to work and came home today for a total of 55 km's (sorry I'm Canadian) and got 9 litres/100k???
2. This is one of the fastest cars in the performance class and price range. I cross-shopped the ecoboost with the 2014 maxima and challenger v6 (I've never liked the entry-level camaros, so I didn't bother checking them out or doing research on them), this has the best value for the money. WRX in Canada is like 45 grand after tax. Believe it or not, a loaded Genesis coupe costs almost 40 grand, any person in the right mind would rather drive a Mustang than a Hyundai. And we all know evo's are pretty goddamn expensive.
3. Dat interior.
4. Loaded features.
5. Dat exterior design. Seriously it looks likea 60+ grand car in person.
Cons:
1. High RPM torque is pretty mediocre
2. Occasional turbo lags (not that often though) that sometimes make me feel like I'm driving my old Hyundai Elantra (but once it kicks in, it feels like a rocket)
3. Exterior quality is not really the best. I grew up around Nissans as my parents loved them, I must say even Nissan has better materials.
4. Tiny exhaust tips
5. Last but not least, you don't get that V6+ sound
Overall, I'm really happy with my car. I'd still beat most V6es in the 20-40grand price range in speed, exterior, and interior.
I've either owned or driven every car in this episode. I'd definitely take the frs. It fits my driving style better. I am very aggressive in turns and the frs just feeds you all the info you need to know through the steering wheel. Also for a person like me that loves to drift I can say even in stock form it is amazing! Transitions effortlessly, hand brake works perfect, has just enough grip to keep control but not so much that it straightens out if you don't stay full throttle. I wish I still had mine but I'll just build a 240sx or sc300 when I have the extra cash.
Still like the frs
FUUUINNNN FIESTA ST! ST!!!
Fantastic review! You guys really do an amazing job talking about all aspects of the cars you review--the engine, suspension, weight, back roads versus daily driving, shift and clutch quality, interior, what it would be like to own, etc. So many reviewers just talk about a car on track. Thank you for truly being for the everyday car enthusiast who only has money to purchase one car.
The best review ever about these cars..
Very well edited.
Where is the Evo X? :(
WRX for ME
I'm surprised how far the production quality has come. This is top notch stuff. Been a sub since the hundreds.
I wish they still sold the Fiesta new....ST would be what I wanted.
In terms of stock performance, accessibility, and just plain fun, I think the Fiesta ST cinches it, just because of that early turbo punch.
I think the BRZ/FR-S is the better car though, because it's just so modular. You can drift it like a hooligan anywhere without breaking the speed limit, you can learn to drive in it, and if you're a good enough driver to handle more power, the chassis is already perfect for it. It's long, low, and aerodynamic, so it can put down every bit as much power as any RWD supercar. It's light. It's got a solid Subaru engine under the bonnet, so it can handle plenty of forced induction (dyno stress testing concluded that the power limit of the stock cylinders is exactly 412.5 hp). It's got all the ingredients of a supercar killer.
I used to think that the BRZ was unnecessary in a world where you could buy a used S2000, but I was wrong. The capabilities of this chassis far outweigh those of any other chassis ever made that's not hundreds of thousands of dollars more expensive. I cannot think of a single car that's as large on its wheels as this one, AND weighs less, AND has a smaller drag area, AND is built to modern standards of safety and solidity. It doesn't exist. And if it does, it's an exotic, foreign hypercar.
I have an FR-S but there's something about the WRX that is grabbing my attention now. I love the look of the FR-S but the WRX's frumpyness seems almost cool and distinctively Japanese. The angry looking economy sedan.
I can't believe that you tested a Mustang against that level of competition without specifying a performance package for the Mustang. The upgrades to the tires and suspension are too significant to ignore. Please redo this video using the a properly equipped car.
Also, the price you quoted for the Mustang ($38,000) is inaccurate by a large margin. I bought my Ecoboost on 3/31/15 for $33,064 (sticker price was $35,765). Mine has the performance pack ($1,995) and the 201A package ($1,765 - includes upgraded audio, memory seats & blind spot assistance). Your test car does not have either of those options. Mine has everything that Ford offers for the car except adaptive cruise control.
I drove the other cars in your test plus the STI and Camaro SS & chose the Mustang.
Had a Mustang GT with the performance package. Best car I ever owned in the summer. It has way too much power to even consider driving it in the winter so don't even think about it. If you have the money, go for the GT and get a winter car. I traded the stang for a WRX, I LOVE the car! It really grows on you, I see what all the fuss is about, GREAT car.
EverydayDriver Hey guys! I was at the Octane Academy with you guys and had no idea who I was talking to until I watched one of your videos and it hit me, I have seen some of them before. It was awesome to meet you guys and can't wait to see the video you put together of the Octane Academy! I was the guy in the Fiesta you put all the GoPros in haha.
The upcoming Ford Focus RS will have the same engine at 300HP and AWD, it will spank all of these cars featured here.
Vision33r 350 hp
How do you guys feel about the Hyundai Accent???
+Hyundai Accent Fan Club Own a 15' Accent. Owned a 13' Mustang and a 09' Porsche. Can't beat the value of the Accent. Now I'm looking at buying a BRZ/FR-S. To me, the BRZ/FR-S is as nimble as a Porsche.
Other cars can beat WRX in particular field. But overall WRX number 1 out of lot.
I love the Subbies only issue I have with the WRX is its glass tranny you gotta baby the hell out of.
iimonoxii No actually they are very rugged and reliable cars.
I have had a 5-speed WRX for 14 years and have put over 190k miles on it and have never had a single problem with the transmission.
Bryan Williams Good for u. Mine is CVT though so far so good. Not doing any mods on it.
Oranje Renaissance Oh yea for sure, I never said they wasn't rugged or reliable cars. They are rally bred unstoppable machines. There is a reason they have had the exact same engine in the STI's for around 20 years. I guess me saying that the transmission was glass was a bit of an over statement. But I have heard that the 6-speed it much tougher than the 5-speeds. That if you plan on adding much more torque or drive it hard by dumping the clutch that the 5-speeds won't last. But of course if you plan on driving it casually then it will last you.
I purchased in this froup and went with a FiestaST with Recaro's. at 23k with some more options it was way cheaper than the rest of this field and I love it
Wow thanks alot guys...Ive been waiting for this video to be made like 6 months ago when i was considering buying a new car lol... And its funny because these wer all cars in my list (wrx15, brz, fiesta, focus, mustang ecoboost) that i was considering. Im glad i went with my ecoboost mustang.. And thats hard considering i was going from an 02 wrx (sold it to get mustang) ud think i choose the wrx or brz..(and im a hard core subaru guy) Buttt for the $24500 i got my mustang for, the hp and tq and highway mpgs did it for me.. Six months later i have to say im happy with my decision.. Im pushing 400tq and 368hp to the wheels after tune, downpipe full exhaust and intake :) beats my old subaru ,..and any stock 15 Gt that cost 7k more :)
Well now I know only to listen to Todd. I consistently dont agree with what Paul chooses or what he says about cars.
Justin Donahue I totally agree. Todd more favors lightweight, raw, and driver centric cars over pure horsepower and too much weight/size. But I'm sure other car guys like Paul more as he is the counterbalance to Todd.
All opinionized and personal preference.
Justin Donahue Paul is really the epitome of the "everyday driver." I find it refreshing actually. So many automotive journalists, Todd included, focus on what it's like to drive cars the way they were meant to be driven, which is not always the way they ARE driven. The FRS and WRX are dynamically brilliant, but they don't feel special unless you're whipping them around a twisty road. But in terms of an everyday driver, the Mustang is the nicer car to be in. 90% of the time, you're going to the store, or you're cruising on the highway, and for that, the Mustang is the best car here.
I would take the V6 over the turbo 4 and would take the fiesta ST over the overpriced Scion FRS
Blazejunkie v6 mustang isnt as powerful as the v6 and the st fiesta is very augly
@@The_Animal_Man lmfao the fiesta st may be ugly but its gonna eat all those expensive sports in the corners at the canyons.
Kevin Hoonigan a lot of people don’t live by canyons. Lmao.........
@@tacklefatkids .... And it'll get 30 miles per gallon in the city while being able to carry two mountain bikes in the back with the hatch closed. All while being dirt cheap to maintain and practically bulletproof reliable! And yes I've had mine for years and nothing puts a smile on your face like this car. When Ford does hot hatches, they are always world class
Mustang is only better than WRX in straight line, that's it. On track, on snowy road, wet road, on mud gravel WRX..even gets better fuel economy. Also more reliable.
I like that homeboy
Even in a straight line, it depends on who's driving. The WRX is a difficult car to launch perfectly because the AWD is not very forgiving if you miss your clutch dump. But once you master the AWD turbo launch, it will blow the Ecoboost away off the line. It's not even close.
I don't know about a track. Many mustangs are built for the track, the Boss 302, gt350 track package, shelby gt500 track package. Not quite sure the wrx is better. Not to mention, basic mustangs can also be adapted to the track as well.
AbsoluteyAmerican Basically am talking about Mustang in same price range as WRX. Which is V6 or Eco boost. WRX even punches above its weight.
I guess BOSS 302 is way more pricier?
Oranje Renaissance Just like the WRX, you can add many different packages to the Mustang, while you could put a track package on the Eco Boost, the question would be why? The 302, is definitely more expensive at $42,0000, no argument there.
I went out to buy a GT 5.0 base with the PPbut at this point in my life I still require back seats and AWD where I live is a huge plus. The ST never came into the picture for me. I bought a 15 WRX and after owning it 2.5 mths I have to say it is a BLAST and it is the only car I have had that has made me crack open my wallet and start modding it. To end up with 300-320 hp is easy and that translates into about 260 at the wheels. With that power the WRX is just a riot and I actually love it. To date I have found the awd awesome in the dry on twisty roadss here in BC. 4 yrs down the road I expect i will be in a 5.0, but who knows at this point I am loving the REX
EverydayDriver Couldn't agree more w/Todd on ranking the FR-S 1st overall! As someone who DD's the FR-S I can attest to everything you mentioned and every time I hop into the driver's seat I am instantly reminded on why I love it soooo much. The whole "Well, it's boring in anything but a winding or twisty road" argument is a bit played out as this thing can reach triple digits without a problem, probably not nearly as fast as the Ecoboost 'Stang or WRX, but we gotta remember that the FR-S is naturally aspirated. Call me crazy, but I'd take NA over boost 9/10 times. Yet another amazing review...kudos guys!