Mustang vs. WRX vs. FRS vs. Fiesta ST - Greatest Hits? - TV Season 1 Ep. 1 | Everyday Driver
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2015
- Ford’s Ecoboost Mustang brings Turbo Charged 4 cylinders back to the Mustang lineup and offers a lot of performance for around $25,000. But, there are a lot of great performance cars available for similar money. So we brought along the Subaru WRX, the Scion FRS, and Ford’s own Fiesta ST to put our favorites against each other and see how the EcoBoost deals with the competition.
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I think its funny when ppl bash the Ecoboost Stang for being a 4 cylinder when it makes the same power as a GT from just 5 years ago. It would destroy a lot of Mustang enthusiast's prior models.
I totally agree with you. It's funny how that all works out.
duane willis new technology wins, coming from an iron headed fox owner
duane willis yeah till the motor pulls timing..
If the motor pulls timing, it's because it is detecting knock/detonation due to poor fuel quality or excess heat. I'd rather it pull timing to protect my engine then just let it go grenade itself. Either way, these are not major problems to anyone familiar with turbo cars.
duane willis
The assumption here is that you think everyone here will be familiar to one.
I love that it says ground speed, as the style of the original 60's muscle cars was inspired by the new jets of the time, and that is an homage to that.
LOL he called the WRX a Toyota corolla with a hood scoop.
JD JoyrideTV I think he was just talking about looks lol. I don't get why the new subies get so much shit about appearance though, I think they look pretty good.
MAEguy it's really just about every car when they come out ppl don't like them at first but after time it seems to grow on you.
JD JoyrideTV Lol true. I hated the look of the S550 right up until I bought an S197. Now I love it lol.
MAEguy Compared to the original concept they look worse though. I agree with the "Corolla with a hood scoop" comment. Would probably still buy it over the others.
MAEguy Subies have ALWAYS gotten shit every year for looks, another face lift goes by and the previous one becomes the greatest thing ever..
New Fiesta ST owner here, and I can't get over how fun it is... while also being an excellent city daily driver, and being relatively dirty cheap. It's almost perfect (for me) :)
Your comment is seven years old...just got me a 2018 fist and holy shit...wayyy too much fun. Absolutely in love...and that's coming from someone that has owned a 2006 wrx as well
@@RMFnHI'm thinking of getting a FiST
@@RMFnH Hola bro, got a fist last week, absolutely fantastic toy to have😊
Thinking of getting a fiesta ST as well!
@@RMFnH LOL just got mine a week ago, 2016 with custom exhaust , intercooler, and tuning....OOOOO MAMAA
I've watched a ton of car reviews on a ton of different testers and I've never seen any car get as much "smiles" and "laughs" than the Fiesta ST. It's truly incredible to keep watching every tester and reviewer and they all say how much the Fiesta ST just makes them smile. I really want to try it.
Did you end up trying it? I've had mine for 6 years and it still makes me smile.
I'm too poor to watch this video.
Alem just get an onahole instead
Alem All of those cars start at UnDeR $30,000. All of them are relatively inexpensive.
tavshedfjols Even an Altima, is expensive for me.
Alem Should've stayed in school, or studied harder.....
Adam McGee I'm a full time college student with a part-time job.
"Let's test cars in the $25,000-30,000 price range."
Gets in $38,000 Mustang.
What a great comparison, guys.
+Markus R - As you may have noticed in this review and elsewhere we get these cars from the manufacturer press fleets. Unfortunately that means they are often set up with every possible option and absurd prices. In the case of this car we hope you heard all the times we berated the price of this particular example as not the way to buy this car. This overpriced version was what Ford provided, but it is available in the price range we're discussing. (in fact, so is the FR-S, which was also over-spec'd here - and we mentioned that as well). If the Mustang had beat out all the other cars here, or was picked because of a feature only available at this $38k price then we would have mentioned it, but neither of those things happened either. We hope that helps a bit. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
+EverydayDriver Maybe I'm too sensitive to bad qualitative methods, but the caveats offered still do not change the incidental effects of the differences in the models on the reviewer. Apples to oranges, as they say, but you do have to use what the manufacturers give you and I still appreciate the reviews.
+Markus R - We see your point and concerns here. But keep in mind that by the end of the comparison the Mustang didn't get away with anything (in fact Todd picked it last). Even though Paul liked it more, both guys were appalled at the price. We don't think Ford did itself any favors by having this car as their press car, but both understand their thinking and appreciate you understanding our situation. Also know that we're very glad to have you with us and engaging in a conversation. Thanks!
+EverydayDriver This is how a UA-cam channel should be run.
You gotta think an ecoboost even with the performance package will still be under $30,000. I don't think all the technology packages like navigation, or blind spot warning or premier leather instead of just leather, rain sensing wipers, were displayed or affects the driving review. That was only advantageous when comparing interior quality. Price was up because it's a loaded ecoboost premium. Regular ecoboost will have a cheaper interior and still handle the same.
WRX hands down for best balance of performance, every day driver, safety, versatility, all wheel drive, reliability, resale value, fun to drive, and tuning options.
Wrx and reliable don't go togheter bro
@@loneokami6560 I heard it's ok when stock, but people just put stage 100 on it the second they drove off the lot.
100% except for when your engine blows up at 50k miles like my buddies and then Subaru doesnt want to cover the warranty because you drove too fast
i have a 17 ecoboost and i absolutely love it. If anyone is considering a mustang 8 or 4 just know that although the gt has much more power, the boost is still crazy fun to drive and is pretty much faster than 80% of cars on the road
Ide rather the V6 than the 4 banger....same power, same MPG....but on pump gas, with a better engine note and more reliable.
FRS body, WRX engine, and mustang interior would be a perfect make.
+SheWantsTheD Mustang body, Mustang engine, and Mustang interior.
lol frs shares the same engine as a wrx bro but onlder models (frs owner) but its slow so yeah
@@proxempire4681 yes but the frs is not turbocharged
Are you kidding me the mustang Coyote engine is way better than the WRX. Better power, sound, reliability, and mpg
Sooooo a boosted brz...
Never would I have ever guessed that someone would say that an American car has the best interior in any comparison. It's a new day lol
+REBeL_TM Idk how the can say that it looks cool but half of all those cool buttons and gadgets will have broken within the first week. My 2016 WRX might have boring looks and interior but it feels so much more solid and well built than the fords. I have noticed it in many of the fords i have looked at and driven they all have so many buttons and gadgets but it all feels so cheep.
REBeL_TM well when it's 10k more then all of these cars it better be better
I have an EcoBoost without those options, and I have to say, it still looks 10k more expensive than the competition.
For reference, I have these options:
Performance pack
Navigation system
10-speed auto
Sync3
The car cost 26k from the dealership.
I absolutely love how you guys go back and forth between the cars so the consumer can eventually narrow it down. great lengthy review. I dig it.
CeeStyleDj - You've hit on our exact intention. We're very glad you're enjoying what we do. Thanks for watching!
This is the first time I've seen these guys and I'm very impressed. They are smart and communicate their thoughts and feelings very, very well. I'll be looking for more of their work
Excellent work.
"When you get on this car, I mean you really spank it hard, it scampers. I mean this car gets with it."
😂😂😂😂😂
One of the worst videos ever. Ford payed them.
Just want to say I really enjoy your videos. Especially while going through Top Gear withdrawal, as I'm sure we all are, it's great to have stuff like this. You guys are straightforward, honest, unbiased, and legitimately enthusiastic about cars. It's a breath of fresh from all the BS and trolling out there.
Hell yeah. I'm tired of the car scene. Bunch of people always talking trash about other cars.
I wonder why Subura hasn't green lit a BRZ STI yet. Seems like it would be such a good fit.
+manrightchea 1. US federal regulations 2. emissions 3. price for the market(profit margin wont be that good)
FRS with more power go aftermarket turbos and super chargers are available. MotorTrend had a 400 hp FRS in their channel, I think the full turbo kit is $6800 plus installation & the engine is not stock
It's a hairdresser's car, it doesn't need a lot of power.
Coming from the future, they did it. it still has 200HP.
@@basshead. if the brz had more power it'd be the best budget sports car period. You dont know shit
It goes against the purpose of the car. It’s made to be a sporty, everyday driver that’s reliable and won’t break the bank.
If you want to do mods, you can since the BRZ/FRS/86 has a huge aftermarket.
and somewhere the Civic Si cries a tear of loneliness for not even getting mentioned...
taelen20 Car has been the same for nearly 10 years (performance wise). Nobody cares anymore.
XenomorphLV426 Sadly, the last gen(06-11) Si was more fun/aggressive than the current Si. It even had a faster 0-60 time and could go 1k RPM more than the current. Here's hoping the new and upcoming civic will be able to keep up with the competition.
taelen20 the Si is a bad joke.
I blew one away with my Old rusted 1964 C10.
if u can't beat a truck, there is an issue.
H0okemh0rns yet it's not a good car anymore.
SANIC I wouldnt say it isnt a good car, but it is certainly long in the tooth at this point and correctly had no place in this comparison
Brilliant review, as usual! Your WRX vs. BRZ sold me on a WRX last year and I couldn't be happier.
Adam Thimmig - Thrilled that our review was helpful to you. Very pleased to know you have a car you love as that's our primary goal. Thanks for letting us know!
5:04 The speedometer says "Ground Speed" cause the car's name is based off of a P-51 Mustang jet. So yes, in a stupid sense, it is an airplane.
The 5th King ROFL
The 5th King -_- no, no the P-51 is not a jet.
It's a prop-driven fighter plane, but a jet it is not
The 5th King Hmm... thought mustang was for the horsey.. being a 'pony'-n-all.. but.. ya live-ya learn!
J Thom Well the plane was named after the horse so in a sense, it's named after a horse, too! But the 'executive stylist' at the time was a huge fan of the WWII fighter.
ModBargains My bad.
@19:16 When he said he's been against FWD cars for the longest.... I used to be the same. Until I purchased a Fiesta ST. It is so fun. I have a 15 WRX also. I feel like the FiST is more fun honstely. Both great cars. Awesome video guys! Thank you so much for all your hard work!
I own a Fiesta St and this new Ecoboost engine is the best ford ever made very reliable
I love your reviews. You guys give such a great in depth analysis. You don't get silly with editing and keep it on point.
I have had my 2015 Subaru WRX for 1 year now. I have 34k miles on it. I commute 100 miles a day and it's a wonderful DD, even with some upgrades. Even after all the driving I do, I'm still always finding excuses to go out and drive it more.
Everytime I get into a 2015 Mustang I am just absolutely blown away by the amount of space the driver has. The legroom, shoulder room, and even headroom is immense, and thats coming from a guy who is 6'3" 260lbs. My biggest gripe though is I find the hood to be way to high and I find my self not really being able to place the front end where I want it to be because I cant see past the freaking hood. EverydayDriver Great feature length video as always! Your new lineup and schedule is awesome.
Great review and simply love the editing. I'm not a Mustang guy but I love the look and Ecoboost engine. Living in the wet coast, the WRX would be my choice - also practical with 2 car seats in the back. Keep up the great work!!
dccaptcrash - Thank you. It's a lot of editorial work, but we're very pleased when it plays well for you guys. Greatly appreciate you watching and commenting!
EverydayDriver do you guys think you could do a review of the eclipse gsx?
I bought an EcoBoost and I have no regrets. The Interior is real Aluminum, real leather so sturdy, very responsive and with tunes and forged parts and people getting 550 hp out of them its going to be a far more car for the enthusiast
I kept my 07 GT however and miss the tone of the muffler in my Eco
dccaptcrash The new Focus RS will be your choice as well...
YES! Just what I needed!
Can you guys do a direct Fiesta ST and Focus ST comparo? I feel like a lot of people struggle (myself included) on which ST brother is better when considering all aspects of ownership
***** interesting, are the changes that noticeable? I thought that the changes wouldn't really be noticeable considering it was a mid cycle refresh after only 2 years. If anything, they made the car slower apparently
***** It would seem that whatever changes they made results in less grip, more weight, and slower acceleration. At least according to Motor Trend's tests. It was just overall slower
***** That's what I'm struggling with. I don't know which one I'd rather have. They're both great and have things that I want. Ultimately, if the Fiesta ST looked a little better (wasn't so tall and narrow) and had better interior quality, I'd go with the FiST. If the Focust ST had the same driving feel as the Fiesta, with less torque steer and weight, I'd go with it. I have to find a compromise in between which is kind of hard
maximus9401 The Fiesta is way more fun than the Focus.
maximus9401 I've driven both on a track and AutoX, and I own a FocusST. The Focus just feels faster, is faster, more practical, feels more expensive, and is overall better. Honestly, I didn't get feel that the Fiesta had a significant leg up on "fun" factor. It's more fun to go faster and turn quicker... get the Focus ST.
When you drive the wrx you can feel your heart pumping blood hard.
When you drive a classic from the 70s with original loose steering you can feel your heart pumping crazy!!
17:00 his face says it all. the fiesta is the most fun to drive.
he went for serious technical analysis to smiling silly in one cut.
Nimble, peppy, wrong wheel drive. I agree with them being among the best in that class. But more fun than a slower 911, which is essentially how a brz feels, I'd disagree.
Like he says, really depends what kind of car you like.
@@RexApplegate funny how the wrong wheel drive can eat you in the corners in the canyons and has the most fun to it. The power to weight ratio is similar to that of a Lotus Elise. Try driving it then you'll know.
@@tacklefatkids I was a mechanic at a Ford dealer for years. My opinions are based on driving them many times.
If you like them you are in good company. By my tastes they go defiantly screaming past the line where fwd becomes a total joke.
Diehard Mustang fan but I'm going to buy the Fiesta ST or the FRS next year. Much more affordable, cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, more fun that's more easily attainable. To be honest as well, I think owning a Mustang would ruin it for me just because I expect so much from it. I love the turbo punch from the Fiesta and it's practicality, but it still looks like an econobox in many ways. The FRS follows the "looks follows form" philosophy. It looks good, and it is good. The analog sensation of the FRS is what makes me so attracted to it. Plus the Japanese engineering always seems to find ways to surprise me. Throw a turbo kit on the FRS and you will never look back! Anyway you look at it, these are all great cars, in a great time for the automotive world.
Agreed. They are fantastic cars. The FRS is very fun to drive with its stock tires. :) I live in Los Angeles and there are plenty mountain roads out here!
HotMetal524 I'm torn between the ST and 86 too.
I've had my FRS for a little over 2 years, I have every mod you can do to an NA engine without opening it and it's pretty quick bro! Full bolt ons, aluminum driveshaft, light weight pulleys, light weight flywheel, rear seat delete, light wheels and some good ol E85! Very light and I have quite a bit whp over stock. I kill v6 mustangs, s2ks, focus and fiesta STs pretty easily(check out the vids on my page), modern V8s are pretty hard to beat with a little NA 2.0 so I don't even try to race them. Lol I'm very happy with my car if you're going to modify and even turbo the FRS it will make you so happy every day you drive it! Plus the community is great(there are some douche bags but the majority of the people are awesome).
im a proud owner of a fiesta st. its an amazing car for the money and already has a decent aftermarket. its cool to know i purchased a car that is compared to great cars such as the frs and wrx :)
How has it held up since 6 years ago lol
@@DigitalRecollections haha I still have the car. I did all the bolt ons and a bigger turbo. It put down 380whp on e40 about 4 years ago. Since then it ran strong for awhile, stock internals. I used to drag race a lot and it held up. The transmission is the weak point, I went through 3 of them. The engine finally took a shit last November. So it held up for quite awhile. I swapped in a newer engine and plan on selling it after I get everything back to where it was. I had my fun with this car but it’s time to move on. They’re great cars for the money and the stock 1.6L olds a decent amount of power with supporting mods.
I do love my Fiesta ST! But all cars are great too!
I agree, that's why I bought a Fiesta ST. It's great!
@CatchMahDrift Fiesta ST. Brz is over priced and over hyped .
Thanks for the video. My 2017 Mustang Ecoboost premium is my daily driver. Since I bought it used I saved thousands of dollars. I love the looks and comfort. It has plenty of power for me and I really like the size of the car.
I test drove the fiesta se. And bought it... 13,700. I love it. So fast handling excellent around corners...
I was just rear ended in mine and totalled. 170,000 miles and loved it.
Good review like how todd reviews. I would do the same ranking, but for me I would take the BRZ. For me it is better value than the FR-S based on interior and exterior just my preference.
Everyday driver I like to say your review/comparison of all these cars are right on the money great review keep up the great work!
My dad just bought a focus ST. they car is freaking awesome. it handles like a boxster!!!
The Fiesta ST Was what it took to get me out of the RWD forever mindset. Once you drive one of these cars and take it around some corners fast it is just amazing the amount of performance you can ring out of the Fiesta ST. I have had several cars that where orders of magnitude faster. The fiesta is just as much fun in the corners as any of them and I love how easily and predictably the tail comes around without any fear of overextending ones talent. Its just plain fun and 35mpg on the highway and room for the family too.
This is one of your best reviews I can remember. Your thoughtfulness and multifacited approach, always good, shines here. What do you thing the performance pack would have adden or subtracted, besides money obviously we would option it downscale.
Compare a $25k Mustang to the others, not the $40k version.
Ford was developing a DOHC turbo four in the SVO back in the 80's, but killed it because it was becoming faster than the V8 mustang (and that's just un-'murican). Makes you wonder what the Mustang could be today if they had pursued it.
idriwzrd glad at least one other person thought it was foolish to compare a car full loaded worth 38k to standard 25k cars... they gave the mustang so much love because obviously its the best looking car. Would it have been that hard to get a standard base model mustang and do a fair comparison?
+MissBunny850 yep the standard 4 Cyl ecoboost mustang is $25,395
+jldude84 Maybe you've forgotten about this little thing called inflation.
The base Mustang GT is a great deal. It's just those non-performance options that Ford is clearly overcharging for.
***** I think the new Mustang looks great. On looks alone I'd take it, but the new Camaro also looks pretty good, and has a bit more performance (but also price).
Dead, that's what, it's a Mustang, V8, and still going strong today, 460hp for $35k, what a bargain! As a 4.6L S197 owner I know that a V6 or I4 is of no use to me. My car is a giant, heavy, piece of plastic (and crude shifter) with an engine anyone outside of 'Murica would sell one of their extra organs for. I've lived overseas, btw. I love the Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 too but it's a totally different machine. A fart can can't make your turbo four, DOHC or not, sound as good my Dynomax.
I must say the ford Fiesta has come a long way i remember my best friends first car was a 1987 model but was fun and quick brings back memories
How does a civic si compare against these cars?
Fiesta ST! Fun!!!!!!
Why do i feel like Ford's CEO is pointing a gun at them behind the camera?
+Fahad AlQanaee - Not sure why you feel that way - especially considering the guys had critiques for the Ford products along with the Scion and Subaru. Plus, if you watched the whole review then you saw the Ford's weren't picked as the universal winners in the end. But no matter what, thanks for watching and commenting!
+EverydayDriver Hahah... maybe he felt what I just did... At some point it feel like a Ford advertising... still I liked the video and want a Ford ST or a Golf R.. thanks guys...
+Fahad AlQanaee
Because this was obviously an ad for the Mustang. The reviewers spent most of their time discussing the Fords and nearly none on the Subaru despite saying in so many words it was the most powerful and best handling.
+Gerald Manis you're just a ford hater
the video was about the ford the first place, they said that in the beginning
what cars can you get within the 25,000 dollar price range besides the ford mustang and get the most out of it
and they argued
+Gerald Manis So absolutely no credit to Ford for building some amazing cars?
Fantastic review! You guys really do an amazing job talking about all aspects of the cars you review--the engine, suspension, weight, back roads versus daily driving, shift and clutch quality, interior, what it would be like to own, etc. So many reviewers just talk about a car on track. Thank you for truly being for the everyday car enthusiast who only has money to purchase one car.
You guys are incredible reviewers! Love the detailed deliverance you guys bring with each video. Very entertaining and witty at times.
wrx is still king for sport and practicality
MetalsForBrunch ill give you practicality, but as a previous owner of a 2008 wrx they are completely over-rated as a car. you money goes into the awd and the turbo motor, the interiors are cheap and the road noise is atrocious. when it comes to handling its tons of understeer followed by massive oversteer dry, wet or snowy.
i know im gonna catch hell for posting this, but hey different strokes for different folks right?
LeeVai666 You're right about the 2008 wrx models. I test drove the 2015 and it is different with the twin scroll turbo and improved chassis. Interior improved in the wrx limited edition model. The 2.5 liter engine is overated but the new wrx is a more refined I can tell you that. Give it a test drive when u can.
MetalsForBrunch
i cannot get over the looks of the 2015, they completely ruined it. like they marketed it towards old men that want to blend in with everything.
LeeVai666 I prefer the 2005 wrx model and 2016 limited wrx to get those nice led lights. 2015 base wrx headslight looks cheap and I also don't like the back end. As long as it has nothing to do with toyota styling then its fine wit me. BRZ and FRS is a fail.. Honda s2000 is still king for reliable afforable rear wheel drive raw machine with decent power and higher reliability. and value.
LeeVai666 Maybe the 2008 model. But I just traded in a 2007 Audi A4 2.0T for a 2015 WRX Limited, and the Subi is WAY more comfortable and I'm genuinely shocked at how upscale the new WRX's interior is. Soft touch everything, and controls that feel more solid/expensive than those in my old A4.
Fiesta ST x New Miata maybe be the future of fun for buck enthusiastic car right?
Love it. Keep these long reviews coming. You guys will be at full episodes soon!
Great review. I've had the Ecoboost for about 7 months now and I absolutely love it. I'm assuming that the price of the tested model factored a lot into that 4th place rating, and I agree completely. Anyone paying 38k for this car is out of their mind. I paid 30k for mine. If 38k were in my range you can bet I'd be looking at the GTs.
I picked up a 2015 mustang ecoboost premium 6spd w/8k on the odometer 2 months ago. Mint....for a work car. I paid 22k. I never buy brand new because of that crazy 1st year depreciation. The car is extremely nice and not a watered down exterior of the 5.0.
So I got the look of the 5.0 w/o a couple little hood vents and some simple grill work and chin piece, same interior, cheaper insurance, getting 38 mpg on the highway in wet/snow drive mode, and a boatload of performance upgrades that have made it night and day from the "quick" car it started out, including some Ferrada 20" wheels/tires. So I have a completely unique car as compared to a stock 5.0
My days of shaving tenths off in the quarter are over and I got a Z06 if I need to go THAT fast. But this car is so nice that I'm going to give up on it being a daily driver. All this rambling, only to say its a great car and highly recommend. I'm an old svo guy, so it was cool to go back to that niche market.
Can you please share your review after 2 years of having it. Planning to get one, should I ?
3 years later and here I am wasting time between studying watching one of my favorite old episodes.
How about a refreshed version? Greatest hits 2.0 since we lost the fiesta st here in the states and a few years have passed with some more intruders (LOOKING AT YOU VELOSTER N).
I personally am about halfway done racking up miles on my 2017 86 and something doesn’t sit well with just buying a new version of the same old car ... I would have any of those above... except the mustang it would just cause me to have to explain myself too much too often to people who know nothing about cars.
Wait..... I’m already doing that with the 86 🤣
I like how you look at performance as well as daily driving. A fair review of four competing yet different cars. Great job!
I LOVE that you did them all in manual,
There is just a coolness factor the Mustang has that the others do not. Mustang even with a turbo is still just plain cool.
Ecoboost stang all day with 6 speed!
The ecoboost actually put down a great laptime on streets of willow, actually got a 3.8L genesis by a second.
just found your channel with the focus rs and now this one. great channel! subscribed!
IVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THE WRX LOOKS LIKE A COROLLA WITH A HOOD SCOOP SINCE IT CAME OUT!!! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES!!! but I'm totally gonna buy a 2013 wrx though... those are bae.
The Wrx would rape the Corolla lmao
@@nativezs8879 mk but they spent a combined 5hrs in the visual design stage.
You guys lost some credibility for not understanding why the Mustang's speedo says ground speed. The Mustang is named after the fighter plane, the P-51 Mustang. So yes, we are flying. It adds some more character to the car.
Wait, so it's not named after the horse known as the Mustang? The same horse of which is plastered everywhere on the car? The same horse that created the segment known as pony cars? Hmm I mean I don't see any planes printed anywhere on the car, I must've been wrong all these years.
2010BlownSS Yup, you were wrong all these years. Google it. The Mustang is named after the fighter plane, which is named after the horse. One of the designers at Ford, John Najjar, was a fan of the P-51 Mustang and suggested that as the name. Hence the ground speed label on the speedo.
moparmaniac21 I don't think the Mustang was named after the fighterplane. In the original 60's ads the new mustang was pictured driving among running horses. Think Pinto, not aircraft.
@@2010BlownSS it was named after both. It's not an either/or thing.
@@williamjordan5554 It was very much so named after the plane, which was named after a horse. Fuckin idiots.
does anyone know what spoiler is on the frs?
just started watching these two and i am on my third hour they are fun to watch and very knowledgeable
WRX >
Crazy to put the Mustang with this group- it's a completely different buyer altogether. But, it does provide the angst for comparison. If you are considering any Mustang- you are NOT looking at the ST vehicles- for LOTS of reasons. But, if you are considering any ST- new, or, used- the WRX is also in the mix. The Toyobaru is a more selfish purchase, and, although a good dancer, doesn't offer much 'more' for tuning prospects- without another motor being fitted.
Since most people get 1 car, it's gonna have to do many things over time. Leaving the WRX & ST's as most viable for different reasons. Personally, I'm so impressed with the Fiesta ST- it wins hands down for all of MY individual reasons: kids, commuter MPG, grocery hauler, dump runs, tunable (large & growing product line) & requires the least initial modification to 'just right'. Right now they can be had for $17 grand with 20k miles- in all colors & options desired- off lease. Not bad depreciation, but, better than $25-26 large brand new.
Just one man's opinion, I suggest you make your own! Great video.
+David C. Gulliver I bought a brand new fiesta ST for 20k out the door. (bone stock, but not really much to add that piqued my interest) Super happy with it. Tuning options look really promising too!
@@wr41thx29 I absolutely agree. Last year I bought a new 2017 Mustang ecoboost premium and I had never considered any of the other cars. If I was young and all I could afford was a cheaper car that's not a real sports car but looks kinda sporty, then maybe. But most people don't buy small cheap ugly car just because it has a fast 0 - 60. Mind you, I've had mostly Trans Am's , until Pontiac went away. I had 2 new Camaro's since then and I wasn't impressed. I never like Mustangs until I bought a 2014 convertible and I loved it. Then traded it in for the 2017.
@@pixofu01 still Loving my ST! It had some problems with the AC (Florida), but warranty took good care of it. I'm sadly going to be selling her soon since I'm moving across the country to WA and going back to school full time.
Sir! Thank you so much! Great video! Ive been a fan for a long time
I love your videos guys, always speaking the truth ...i used to have a limited BRZ but i was always missing that 40 HP to make it perfect. now i rock Fiesta ST and i love that toy car. It doesnt take it self seriously and performs much better as a daily driver then the 86 ever did ( yes i understand the torque steer is there and seat position is a bit too high) but over all this car puts a smile on my face every day and i think that is what matters.
i wouldn't say the WRX is a sleeper... I constantly get rev'd at in traffic or camaros want to "ricer flyby" me on the freeway.. it draws some attention that I particularly don't want a lot of the time which is why I went with it as my DD. Also that's a premium wrx which starts at 28K.. and you're comparing it to a 38K mustang and talking about interior quality, you might as well have gotten the 2015 STI and compared it to the EcoBoost 'stang at that price..
and I just realized all the other cars are in silver/grey while they mustang is red.. I'm sure that wasn't planned..
The Mustang is the newcomer to this car segment so I could see why they chose to visually display it in a different color for presentation.
Jeremy the WRX was black, no?
gnarkilleptic no that's subarus dark grey metallic
Jeremy o youre right
Jeremy the Subaru is a much better car, try driving a Mustang on slippery roads or put both these cars in a rally race, we all know what the outcome will be lol
purchased a 2019 fiesta st brand new, have never looked back, put $15k in the car mostly custom fab mods, and he purrs like a cat every single time. Definitely the best thing I have ever done with my money. One of the most underappreciated cars in the scene in the US
Did you know that you can tune the engine up to 400bhp? That's part of the reason why I got mine. However, it's far easier to find tuners who can do 340bhp, like Revo with their Stage 4 big turbo kit.
Thank you for this video, I have been asking people for a comparison like this for a while and maybe I just didn't look or something but hey you guys did it and that's all that counts. Awesome!!
Looks like you guys were up on Lake Hughes Road for some of the filming. Love that road.
got a BRZ few weeks ago and im loving it!
Good
+Rene Garcia
Needs a supercharger to become relevant.
U gonna buy it for me Joseph Martin
+Joseph Martin To become relevant?
Clearly it is already very relevant.
So much so that its almost unanimously praised in the stock form.
+Rene Garcia how good is it I feel like getting one
Paul hit it right on the money. The only reason why I am considering a Mustang is because of the ecoboost. V8s are nice and dandy, but I have no need for one.
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***** i get around 20-21 mpg in my '14 GT. No highway, and still have some fun.
V8s weren't as efficient as they are today, plus the lack of an independent rear suspension was a turn off. I am glad for the changes Ford made. I think the next step is to get the Ecoboost on a diet.
Really enjoy your videos. This comparo was GREAT and full of subjective info that most reviews miss! (I have the 15 GT with the Performance Pack and love it). What a car.
Best one yet. Love it. Amazing work guys.
i own the FRS and i love it :)
WRX for ME
I'm surprised how far the production quality has come. This is top notch stuff. Been a sub since the hundreds.
I bought a 2017 ecoboost mustang. Premium Package
Used In great shape..
A 34,000 dollar car . For 17,700 .00
And it looks brand new and runs great fast and fun to drive
Very well edited.
Well now I know only to listen to Todd. I consistently dont agree with what Paul chooses or what he says about cars.
Justin Donahue I totally agree. Todd more favors lightweight, raw, and driver centric cars over pure horsepower and too much weight/size. But I'm sure other car guys like Paul more as he is the counterbalance to Todd.
All opinionized and personal preference.
Justin Donahue Paul is really the epitome of the "everyday driver." I find it refreshing actually. So many automotive journalists, Todd included, focus on what it's like to drive cars the way they were meant to be driven, which is not always the way they ARE driven. The FRS and WRX are dynamically brilliant, but they don't feel special unless you're whipping them around a twisty road. But in terms of an everyday driver, the Mustang is the nicer car to be in. 90% of the time, you're going to the store, or you're cruising on the highway, and for that, the Mustang is the best car here.
fiesta st with just tune and good tires is such an awsome daily.
This video could not more precisely discuss the inner dialogue I've had over the past few months considering a new car.
FUUUINNNN FIESTA ST! ST!!!
Funny how resale value never gets brought up.
I don't think about selling a car when I'm buying it.
I really enjoy your vids they are informative easy to relate to and most of all entertaining keep up the good work guys
great work guys!!!
i watch a lot of car shows just ran in to you guys, and i really love how harsh and real you guys are!! unbiased and full of passion! i just bought a Abarth yesterday over a fiesta but i think for the money i got the better car... 2013 with only 2k miles for 15k great buy and so excited:)
The upcoming Ford Focus RS will have the same engine at 300HP and AWD, it will spank all of these cars featured here.
Vision33r 350 hp
The Fiesta St looks so weird in a 4 door
This was really in-depth and a lot of fun to watch as usual guys. Makes me wonder though how long it took for you guys to shoot so many test drives?
OK, I just have to add my comments here. The guys are pretty spot on their comments. I bought my 2018 base model Ecoboost 6 months ago. Note, I said base model, for $21,500. That means a six speed manual transmission. It's black and I love it. I have about 5,500 miles on it and 2,500 of that was a trip to Wisconsin. I am in my early 60's and still ride fast Italian (Ducati and Guzzi) bikes. The Mustang is pretty much the prefect car for me. I do most of my driving around town, and they are right, if you aren't paying attention and are sloppy with your shifting and throttle from a start you can stall the car. That doesn't happen any more. And yes you have to work and pay attention a bit more from say a Focus, I had a 2002 Focu, but it's well worth it. It is a great car to go out and play on corners and drive hard, we have nice mountains here in New Mexico. But I spend 95% of my time driving city/highway, the Mustang shines on cruising on the highway. Rolling along at 90-95 mph on cruise control and it's just loafing and yes I did that going through Texas and Kansas. Reasonable gas mileage of about 27-28. Ford has a real winner with the Ecoboost Mustang, remember I bought mine for $21,500, talk about bang for the buck. A base model comes with a really nice set of base line goodies. And it's a lot of fun to use around town too, when you're first at stop lights it's pretty hard to not leave folks behind very quickly..... Top speed is limited to 120 mph....but that could be changed I guess. I am going to leave my car stock, it does everything I want, so why change it. I don't plan on putting it on the track so why bother, do I really want or need to go over 120mph... nah for me that's OK. And I really like the exhaust tone on it, I've heard the V-8's, and they sound awesome, but I am not sure I want to listen to them for hours on end. You really can't say that the Ecoboost Mustang is a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's a Mustang and it looks just like the 8's....but it's a completely different sort of car. That 310 hp really shines, turbo lag just really isn't there. It's nice to know when you punch it it really gets up and goes......not as fast as a V-8....but at 21.5K that's fine with me. Mine has summer tires on it and it's crap on snow, we do get some here in Albuquerque. But there are video's on UA-cam that point out they really need to have snow tires if you plan on driving in snow. I am glad I don't live up north any more:) Tom
He says the fiesta is the slowest, but in reality the FRS is.
In terms of stock performance, accessibility, and just plain fun, I think the Fiesta ST cinches it, just because of that early turbo punch.
I think the BRZ/FR-S is the better car though, because it's just so modular. You can drift it like a hooligan anywhere without breaking the speed limit, you can learn to drive in it, and if you're a good enough driver to handle more power, the chassis is already perfect for it. It's long, low, and aerodynamic, so it can put down every bit as much power as any RWD supercar. It's light. It's got a solid Subaru engine under the bonnet, so it can handle plenty of forced induction (dyno stress testing concluded that the power limit of the stock cylinders is exactly 412.5 hp). It's got all the ingredients of a supercar killer.
I used to think that the BRZ was unnecessary in a world where you could buy a used S2000, but I was wrong. The capabilities of this chassis far outweigh those of any other chassis ever made that's not hundreds of thousands of dollars more expensive. I cannot think of a single car that's as large on its wheels as this one, AND weighs less, AND has a smaller drag area, AND is built to modern standards of safety and solidity. It doesn't exist. And if it does, it's an exotic, foreign hypercar.
Probably their best review to date and I think they did a great job highlighting all the pros and cons. I own a 2015 WRX (previously owned a BRZ prior to this car) and the WRX is just so much more practical. I do agree that with the FA20DIT engine from the WRX in the BRZ, that car would be a beast.
The Ecoboost Mustang's interior is so nice, but I just did not love my test drive at all. The car felt too heavy to me, and the steering too vague.
For me:
Exterior looks : BRZ
Handling: BRZ
Overall performance: WRX
Practicality: WRX
Most fun to drive: WRX
Interior looks/fit finish: Mustang
Best value: WRX
thillyard1 Most fun to drive should have been BRZ
I spent months going through the Fiesta ST or Scion FRS debate. I ended picking up a brand new Fiesta ST two weeks ago because of how much fun it is to drive.
I've either owned or driven every car in this episode. I'd definitely take the frs. It fits my driving style better. I am very aggressive in turns and the frs just feeds you all the info you need to know through the steering wheel. Also for a person like me that loves to drift I can say even in stock form it is amazing! Transitions effortlessly, hand brake works perfect, has just enough grip to keep control but not so much that it straightens out if you don't stay full throttle. I wish I still had mine but I'll just build a 240sx or sc300 when I have the extra cash.
And continues Everyday Drivers outright hatred with anything VW Golf.
Farhan Chowdhury - We mentioned the GTI as a possible and valid competitor here. We recommend the Golf in many forms on our weekly audio podcast (TDI and GTI most often). and we've often spoken of the GTI as a great all-rounder. So, we're confused how this review (which has nothing negative to say about the GTI) can be counted as "outright hatred". But, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
EverydayDriver Because fanboys will be fanboys and they take everything personally.
Farhan Chowdhury honestly theres soo many reviews and comparisons out there for the GTI that im actually sick of seeing it. So i dont mind that they didnt include it.
I agree in the sense that they bring a Fiesta ST? A Fiesta ST??? Hahaha bad ...
Isaac Blanco They seemed to have the most fun and were most impressed with the Fiesta...it is a fun car.
Great review! Thank you. I have 12 thousand miles on my 2014 FRS, supercharged, and daily drive it with no issues. I'm a sports car enthusiast, so it fits the bill for me.
OMG! It's a blessing that I found this channel.
How do you guys feel about the Hyundai Accent???
+Hyundai Accent Fan Club Own a 15' Accent. Owned a 13' Mustang and a 09' Porsche. Can't beat the value of the Accent. Now I'm looking at buying a BRZ/FR-S. To me, the BRZ/FR-S is as nimble as a Porsche.
0:36 "This is the first 4 cylinder mustang since that SVO they made in the eighties"
Really guys? Really? The last year of the SVO was 1986. Ford made 4 cylinder Mustangs in 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993.
Derek K not 4 cylinder turbos
That is a very good point. It is also worth noting though that those base 4 bangers in fox bodies were not turboed. That was reserved for the SVO.
Derek K - Todd is talking and thinking about turbo Mustangs when he says that - but you're right he should have clarified by saying "first TURBO 4 Cylinder Mustang since..." The guys aren't perfect, as this proves. We hope you enjoyed the rest of the film. Thanks for listening close and keeping us honest!
EverydayDriver Best review yet! My 2 favourite new cars - Fiesta ST vs Toyota 86.... unfortunately, still haven't been able to make up my mind. Also, I recently purchased the 50 years of Porsche video - great work. So here's a question - where would you guys rank the Carrera 3.2 amongst the ST and 86? Kind regards.
incar95678 Fiesta ST = more practical and still fun as hell....Toyota more of a pure sports car...not as practical. If its gonna be a dailt do the Fiesta ST...if its a weekend warrior, its a coin flip.....drive em both and trust your gut
Nice video, guys. Very informative and great shots. Keep up the great work.
really enjoyed this review keep up the good worrk