Great stuff. I just got the S5ii. My favorite is the built-in 709 profile but I bump up the saturation by 2 within the 709 color profile menu, and then it’s great out of camera. The Natural and CineD have always given me a weird lobster reddish skin. The 709 is better IMO and my new favorite (as long as you add that bit of saturation). 🤙
I absolutely hear you regarding the upside of shooting V-Log in the Lumix cameras. I shoot a G5 and a new G9II. I mostly shoot 5K open gate with the G9II and 4K 420/400mb with the GH5. And I shoot almost exclusively in Natural photo style. The reason for this is really simple: 1 - I sell farms and ranches so I am usually putting these clips in a timeline with clips from a DJI Mavic 2 Pro. It is just easier. Secondly, and most importantly, I’m 71 years old and I simply no longer have the patience to sit at the Mac all day and fiddle with something that 9.9 out of 10 people won’t care about. I find the Lumix cameras to be SO good at what they do that I don’t have to worry about a couple or stops of dynamic range. The video is simply beautiful right out of the camera. I’m at a stage in my work and regular life that simplicity and lack of stress are hugely valuable to me. And the difference between V-Log and Natural color profiles are kind of like picking fly shit out of the pepper for me. I’ll let you younger guys go blind dinking with the clips. Great content, Caleb. I always enjoy your work and learn something new with each video. Just don’t try to get me back in that pepper shaker. 😊
Re GH5s, the colour mode depends on what shoot mode you need. If it's 4K then Vlog (10 bit obvs) but if you need a VFR, then you're gonna need to switch the colour mode to natural, adjusting parameters. 120fps is awful in flat..noise all over the place, which is annoying because you lose out on grading in post.. Lots of sacrifices with the GH5s but it's my first cam and I love it.
I use the GH5s and I’ve been shooting Vlog for about a year now. No going back because the results are totally on another level. I have used Cine D and Natural profiles and can boldly say that Vlog is superior. For best results I advise you check the spec sheet to know the dual native ISO for vlog. For GH5s it’s 800 and 5000. Shooting in these ISOs give the best results. So it’s all about knowing your camera more
I don't like any other color profile than log, specially when you use resolve it's so easy to grade and get amazing colors. I've been using v log L from the gh5 for years and the colors look so good.
Still on the gh5 here. Started with Nat back when it came out, now I'm using HLG. You might think HLG is for HDR but it's semi LOG, it's actually hybrid log. So I convert it to Davinci Wide Gamut, do the edit and finish it with rec709. HLG gives highlight roll off, not in the shadows though. -5 Saturation, Sharpness and NR and you do it in post.
Totally agree! The G9 Vlog l was okay but not great. The GH6 Vlog is soooo clean! You should try phantom luts. They are worth the buy! They make the GH6 and S5ii color look so much better!
@@CalebHoover honestly I was a little worried about spending $70ish for basically 11 luts, but OMG they are sooo worth it man! They make me feel like so talented for how easily they work. I shift some of my colors around but the curve arri looks they provide are super clean!
Agree! I’m stating to use Vlog more with my GH6 and loving it more each time I shoot. However, I do use the Natural profile with adjustments for videos that I need to turn around same day. Still like the look that I get with it. Great video.
Natural on the S5 looks great. I use v log now but I'd still use it for a quick turnaround. Really stoked on the S5II updates, but I'm still loving my S5.
S-Log3 for the Win!!!! ..........Oh crap wrong video 😆 Good stuff bro! Dynamic range on that V-Log is great. Your footage looks very good. Great breakdown here! I made it into the B-Roll at the end Woot!! LOL
I doubt if the correct exposure is understood by everyone when using v-log. Most of the time there are many noise complaints. Especially when shooting in a low-light environment. In these cases it is preferable to use another profile (natural, standard, flat, cine d). Nowhere can I find recommended settings (saturation, etc) for all other profiles except v-log. It would be interesting IF YOU GIVE US YOUR SUGGESTIONS....
I use v-log from an S5 and it is so easy to work with using resolve colour management. It converts it to 'rec709' before anything is done to the footage, and it looks great. It can end up being a quicker workflow than using one of the non-log profiles, like CineD2 (which I sometimes use), and it's a lot more flexible to colour correct or grade (as you mention in your video).
V-log all day for my S5II. I “709” with either the panny “nicest” LUT or one I got from color grading central(?). The latter LUT takes a “look LUT” better when stacking them…imo.
Thanks for the video. What would you recommend if I want to match footage from a G9 and S5mii. Should I shoot in Vlog (I have V log installed in my G9) and apply the Nicest 709 Lut in post? What about other settings like ISO and F stop? thanks.
Just starting to use V-log instead of Natural. Wish there was a V-log to Natural converter Lut, get all that dynamic range, and then smash it into Natural in post.
Great video Caleb! Been shooting for 5 years now w/ multiple production companies/events/etc. and the 4 years I was on with the GH5/G85, natural did the trick for all of my client work. Made the switch over to Sony due to more companies asking if I can run a B-Cam with the Sony color science, but I find myself enjoying the image out of Lumix cameras a bit more. There's just something about the image to my eye. Looking forward to this months project shooting a mini doc on an incredible cinematographer from the Bay Area using a Canon FD MFT kit as a fun challenge to myself. Lugging around FX6's with anamorphic lenses sure is great and all, but there's something about having a compact kit that can get the job done, and gets more natural stories/moments to spark from a subject.
now in 2023, how do you feel about camera choices... coming form a GH3... is it still worth it to go over to Gh5S or are there other cameras you think one should consider now, like gh6 or Sigma FP, or Black Magic P4K...etc? thanks for sharing what you think is worth considering in 2023!
I would like V-Log with a native ISO of 100 or 200. I still prefer Natural profile on my S5IIX instead of shooting with 640 ISO with V-Log. What kind of ND filters you shoot with this high ISO?. What about depth of field? Because on a sunny day you have to close a lot the diafragm of the camera filming with 640 ISO
Damn, I had a video shoot on the weekend and accidentally left the color profile on natural. I then had to pull it through completely. I'm curious if the material is suitable 🤔
I started in video using the GH5s years ago and could not figure out how to make the VLog-L footage look nice. I just figured I was bad at correction/grading. But now with full VLog in the S5II, it feels like the old VLog-L is just a broken color profile. So now I'm stuck color matching between the two cameras..... for interview shoots, fun 🤦
Question : Will V-Log footage from GH6 stay in "V-Log" state after transcoding to ProRes or DNxHD? Or i have to convert it to Rec709 first and then transcode to other format codecs?
I think I’m doing something wrong with my exposure for V-Log, whenever I convert my V-Log footage to a rec709 format it looks terrible and blown out every where but I was told I have to overexpose by 2 stops so I’m honestly lost and I’m starting to hate film now 😂
I normally shoot standard on gh5. I tried natural first time recently. it's okay. then I tried Cine V. And I was blown away. in good light? awesome. but I agree. if you don't want to mess with Vlog and grading, and often for me, it's really not necessary, then Natural or Cine V does just fine. nuff said. Marty Sender You Tube
I have found in low light, dim lighting, even with a higher iso on my s5ii, I get this noise distortion in the shadows. I can even see it in v log on the display screen. I don’t understand this. It’s a reddish distortion that becomes clearer, so I’m really confused how to film v log in low light when you can’t overexpose shadows when the sky is black. The area it distorts is only -4 and so should be fine. Again, it’s some weird reddish distortion on the white in the shadowy parts. Why isn’t it clean? V log just creates all the noise distortion. Crushing doesn’t remove the noise, it sort of brings it out. I find cinema helps have a clean image. The blacks are black, no noise. I need more light sure but at least I know. I hear about v log having all this dynamic range but the distortion in low light shadows (not black parts just low lit) is un fixable and ugly. I feel if the shot is under exposed it should just be a dimly lit clean image. Exposing to the right only works with control. How do you get such clean images. Is my sensor broken? And yet it’s just v log I get the issue. I don’t see how people get all these low light shots in v log when mine has ugly unfixable distortion in mine 😢
V-LOG colors are the best for me. But in low light, I always use Natural or Cine-V on both my GH6 and my S5. On my S5II, I only use V-LOG because the standard profiles are very bad about detail rendering (too much sharpening and noise reduction).
So from my understanding of this, you've switched to V-Log because it's superior to V-LogL from the GH-5? I've been a photographer for over 10 years, but just now starting to get more into video with my G9. Is it worth the upgrade price for V-LogL on that?
I really don't agree with your description of V-Log L vs V-Log. They are one and the same and they both provide the full colour gamut of the sensor. Only difference is that the L caps out earlier in the highlights. They are exposed and processed in identical fashion.
Great stuff. I just got the S5ii. My favorite is the built-in 709 profile but I bump up the saturation by 2 within the 709 color profile menu, and then it’s great out of camera. The Natural and CineD have always given me a weird lobster reddish skin. The 709 is better IMO and my new favorite (as long as you add that bit of saturation). 🤙
I absolutely hear you regarding the upside of shooting V-Log in the Lumix cameras. I shoot a G5 and a new G9II. I mostly shoot 5K open gate with the G9II and 4K 420/400mb with the GH5. And I shoot almost exclusively in Natural photo style. The reason for this is really simple: 1 - I sell farms and ranches so I am usually putting these clips in a timeline with clips from a DJI Mavic 2 Pro. It is just easier. Secondly, and most importantly, I’m 71 years old and I simply no longer have the patience to sit at the Mac all day and fiddle with something that 9.9 out of 10 people won’t care about. I find the Lumix cameras to be SO good at what they do that I don’t have to worry about a couple or stops of dynamic range. The video is simply beautiful right out of the camera. I’m at a stage in my work and regular life that simplicity and lack of stress are hugely valuable to me. And the difference between V-Log and Natural color profiles are kind of like picking fly shit out of the pepper for me. I’ll let you younger guys go blind dinking with the clips. Great content, Caleb. I always enjoy your work and learn something new with each video. Just don’t try to get me back in that pepper shaker. 😊
What about in low light? Music events, festivals etc… Would you still prefer V-log over the other profiles? I seem to struggle with it on my S5iix
Re GH5s, the colour mode depends on what shoot mode you need. If it's 4K then Vlog (10 bit obvs) but if you need a VFR, then you're gonna need to switch the colour mode to natural, adjusting parameters. 120fps is awful in flat..noise all over the place, which is annoying because you lose out on grading in post.. Lots of sacrifices with the GH5s but it's my first cam and I love it.
I use the GH5s and I’ve been shooting Vlog for about a year now. No going back because the results are totally on another level. I have used Cine D and Natural profiles and can boldly say that Vlog is superior. For best results I advise you check the spec sheet to know the dual native ISO for vlog. For GH5s it’s 800 and 5000. Shooting in these ISOs give the best results. So it’s all about knowing your camera more
You need a newer camera to see the difference. My S1 with full Vlog is far better then anything I’ve seen from Panasonic.
I'm using the GH5 and GH6 combo so still using the natural profile on both cameras as its a lot easier/quicker to match colours
I don't like any other color profile than log, specially when you use resolve it's so easy to grade and get amazing colors. I've been using v log L from the gh5 for years and the colors look so good.
i’ve heard great things about resolve color management
Still on the gh5 here. Started with Nat back when it came out, now I'm using HLG.
You might think HLG is for HDR but it's semi LOG, it's actually hybrid log.
So I convert it to Davinci Wide Gamut, do the edit and finish it with rec709.
HLG gives highlight roll off, not in the shadows though.
-5 Saturation, Sharpness and NR and you do it in post.
nice i remember playing are with hlg and i liked it way better than vlog l
@@CalebHoover Om namaste.
please tell me how you work with the HLG profile for S5IIx? How to properly develop it in Final cut and paint it?
Thank you
Totally agree! The G9 Vlog l was okay but not great. The GH6 Vlog is soooo clean! You should try phantom luts. They are worth the buy! They make the GH6 and S5ii color look so much better!
dang still haven’t gotten those yet - gonna do that tomorrow hehe
@@CalebHoover honestly I was a little worried about spending $70ish for basically 11 luts, but OMG they are sooo worth it man! They make me feel like so talented for how easily they work. I shift some of my colors around but the curve arri looks they provide are super clean!
Agree! I’m stating to use Vlog more with my GH6 and loving it more each time I shoot. However, I do use the Natural profile with adjustments for videos that I need to turn around same day. Still like the look that I get with it.
Great video.
right on! yeah quick turnaround natural wins
Natural on the S5 looks great. I use v log now but I'd still use it for a quick turnaround. Really stoked on the S5II updates, but I'm still loving my S5.
S-Log3 for the Win!!!! ..........Oh crap wrong video 😆 Good stuff bro! Dynamic range on that V-Log is great. Your footage looks very good. Great breakdown here! I made it into the B-Roll at the end Woot!! LOL
gotta get more broll of paul in my vids! more like bro-roll
I doubt if the correct exposure is understood by everyone when using v-log. Most of the time there are many noise complaints. Especially when shooting in a low-light environment. In these cases it is preferable to use another profile (natural, standard, flat, cine d). Nowhere can I find recommended settings (saturation, etc) for all other profiles except v-log. It would be interesting IF YOU GIVE US YOUR SUGGESTIONS....
pretty sure i did one for gh5
The GH6 colors and the ease of use with VLog is excellent! Love it!
absolutely!
I use v-log from an S5 and it is so easy to work with using resolve colour management. It converts it to 'rec709' before anything is done to the footage, and it looks great. It can end up being a quicker workflow than using one of the non-log profiles, like CineD2 (which I sometimes use), and it's a lot more flexible to colour correct or grade (as you mention in your video).
yuuussss! love it! i’ve heard great things about resolve color with vlog
V-log all day for my S5II. I “709” with either the panny “nicest” LUT or one I got from color grading central(?). The latter LUT takes a “look LUT” better when stacking them…imo.
i wanna try that nicest more
Your videos are so so good, very happy to have so many talented creators with Lumix content.
Thanks for the video. What would you recommend if I want to match footage from a G9 and S5mii. Should I shoot in Vlog (I have V log installed in my G9) and apply the Nicest 709 Lut in post? What about other settings like ISO and F stop? thanks.
Just starting to use V-log instead of Natural. Wish there was a V-log to Natural converter Lut, get all that dynamic range, and then smash it into Natural in post.
love this
Great video Caleb! Been shooting for 5 years now w/ multiple production companies/events/etc. and the 4 years I was on with the GH5/G85, natural did the trick for all of my client work. Made the switch over to Sony due to more companies asking if I can run a B-Cam with the Sony color science, but I find myself enjoying the image out of Lumix cameras a bit more. There's just something about the image to my eye. Looking forward to this months project shooting a mini doc on an incredible cinematographer from the Bay Area using a Canon FD MFT kit as a fun challenge to myself. Lugging around FX6's with anamorphic lenses sure is great and all, but there's something about having a compact kit that can get the job done, and gets more natural stories/moments to spark from a subject.
Exactly, full Vlog has shown a big difference from the L version. Vlog is gorgeous!
now in 2023, how do you feel about camera choices... coming form a GH3... is it still worth it to go over to Gh5S or are there other cameras you think one should consider now, like gh6 or Sigma FP, or Black Magic P4K...etc? thanks for sharing what you think is worth considering in 2023!
I would like V-Log with a native ISO of 100 or 200. I still prefer Natural profile on my S5IIX instead of shooting with 640 ISO with V-Log. What kind of ND filters you shoot with this high ISO?. What about depth of field? Because on a sunny day you have to close a lot the diafragm of the camera filming with 640 ISO
Damn, I had a video shoot on the weekend and accidentally left the color profile on natural. I then had to pull it through completely. I'm curious if the material is suitable 🤔
I started in video using the GH5s years ago and could not figure out how to make the VLog-L footage look nice. I just figured I was bad at correction/grading. But now with full VLog in the S5II, it feels like the old VLog-L is just a broken color profile. So now I'm stuck color matching between the two cameras..... for interview shoots, fun 🤦
Question : Will V-Log footage from GH6 stay in "V-Log" state after transcoding to ProRes or DNxHD? Or i have to convert it to Rec709 first and then transcode to other format codecs?
I think I’m doing something wrong with my exposure for V-Log, whenever I convert my V-Log footage to a rec709 format it looks terrible and blown out every where but I was told I have to overexpose by 2 stops so I’m honestly lost and I’m starting to hate film now 😂
I normally shoot standard on gh5. I tried natural first time recently. it's okay. then I tried Cine V. And I was blown away. in good light? awesome. but I agree. if you don't want to mess with Vlog and grading, and often for me, it's really not necessary, then Natural or Cine V does just fine. nuff said. Marty Sender You Tube
great stuff Caleb...much appreciated. Can I ask which program you color grade in? :-)
I have found in low light, dim lighting, even with a higher iso on my s5ii, I get this noise distortion in the shadows. I can even see it in v log on the display screen. I don’t understand this. It’s a reddish distortion that becomes clearer, so I’m really confused how to film v log in low light when you can’t overexpose shadows when the sky is black. The area it distorts is only -4 and so should be fine.
Again, it’s some weird reddish distortion on the white in the shadowy parts. Why isn’t it clean? V log just creates all the noise distortion. Crushing doesn’t remove the noise, it sort of brings it out. I find cinema helps have a clean image. The blacks are black, no noise. I need more light sure but at least I know.
I hear about v log having all this dynamic range but the distortion in low light shadows (not black parts just low lit) is un fixable and ugly. I feel if the shot is under exposed it should just be a dimly lit clean image. Exposing to the right only works with control. How do you get such clean images. Is my sensor broken? And yet it’s just v log I get the issue. I don’t see how people get all these low light shots in v log when mine has ugly unfixable distortion in mine 😢
VLOG exposure is important. Do you have a video on that? I'll check. If the exposure is right everything else is easy.
how to get the most accurate color from vlog？ is there a lut can be used？
V-LOG colors are the best for me. But in low light, I always use Natural or Cine-V on both my GH6 and my S5. On my S5II, I only use V-LOG because the standard profiles are very bad about detail rendering (too much sharpening and noise reduction).
So from my understanding of this, you've switched to V-Log because it's superior to V-LogL from the GH-5? I've been a photographer for over 10 years, but just now starting to get more into video with my G9. Is it worth the upgrade price for V-LogL on that?
Hey Caleb. Do you over expose your GH6 v log? Some people are saying it isn’t necessary with gh6. What’s your take?
hey Caleb, what about the like Rec 709 profile?
I'm rocking the Eva 1 and loving the V log.
Panasonic S5II + 55 media LUT = Heaven! 😍
im on cind2 i never used that even after your suggestion lol i do my own test
What about gh5 mark ii. V-log or other profile give a best result???
gh6 natural is just so nice and easy that's what we use
I dont care what Lumix camera I'm using, I don't use V-log lol. I shoot Cine-D on em, no matter what.
Why did you recently say that the first S5 doesn't have "real" 10bit video?
Your editing is on point, man. New sub👍🏼out here supporting other tech-centric channels like mine.
I have a GH5 M2, that come with Vlog-L and I don’t like it. I shot al my project in HLG.
yeah just not the greatest but hlg is very good
@@CalebHoover Om namaste.
please tell me how you work with the HLG profile for S5IIx? How to properly develop it in Final cut and paint it?
Thank you
You were getting colour artefacting in 10bit V-Log L?
naw 8 bit still nvr liked vlog L even in 10bit
I use hlg i have the gh5 i love it
I always go from different color profiles sometimes v log sometimes natural cine d cine v and a tiny bit of like 709 lol
right on!
Natural from the GH6 looks off to me. VLOG is nice but if you're not shooting with DR boost turned on you risk banding.
not a fan of dr boost tbh
Natural on the G9II
You're still shooting with a GH 6... a like 10 years old cam ? Can't believe that.
I really don't agree with your description of V-Log L vs V-Log. They are one and the same and they both provide the full colour gamut of the sensor. Only difference is that the L caps out earlier in the highlights. They are exposed and processed in identical fashion.
Exactly
say it ain't so!!! not the natural! Let's be real the v log L was just garbage... I said what I said
“i have spoken” lol
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