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Is Milwaukee MX FUEL Equipment - Worth The Investment?
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2021
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For the last 2-3 months we’ve had the MX FUEL 14” Cut Off Saw and the Core Drill on our commercial project in Boston.
One crewmember said how much he liked the idea of 100% certainty that the saw will start, no matter what the temperature is at the site. There was no more pulling, choking, wasted time, and colorful language needed to start up the cutoff saw.
Stan’s field experience tracked in agreement with the factory data. He had four fully charged batteries available, and cut 28 linear feet of street asphalt with three batteries depleted fully and one battery with 50% charge remaining.
Each of the crew that used the saw was impressed with the electric motor's torque and power, many of them remarking that "This Thing is a has the same cut speed as the leading 2-cycle gas saws.
Part of the challenge with remotely located asphalt cutting is how to provide a consistent flow of water onto the blade. In Stans case, he had the M18 Switch Tank Water Supply Kit.
This tank holds 4 gallons of water and contains a battery-operated pump. The quick connector coupling on the end of the 10 feet of hose clipped onto the 14 "cutoff saw with no issues.
Without the water supply tank the work crew would have resorted to their “let’s bang this out,” approach and splash water from a 5-gallon bucket onto their cutoff saws. After using the water supply the crew was impressed with the entire equipment setup, and joked about their Fred Flintstone methods.
The first task was to core two holes in the manhole that allowed two additional conduits to go from the transformer secondary feeder cubicle into the distribution manhole. Stan told me he was curious to see how easily the crew set up the Milwaukee equipment in a constrained space.
Stans electrician used a Milwaukee 4 1/2" wet core bit to make the holes. They were working remotely from building services, so the M18 Switch Tank provided the water service for the coring operation. Like the laborers at the road cutting site, the electricians also loved the tank/pump equipment.
The ability to adjust the flow rate to the correct amount meant that they would not have to fill the tank so often.
Once the electricians positioned the equipment, the coring proceeded with no issues. During the operation, the electrician experienced two of the safety features of the core drill.
First, the clutch disengaged the motor when the core occasionally bound up. The first time that happened, he looked up, smiled, and said, "That's impressive!"
Coring is often absolutely DREADED because of the kickbacks and bind ups. People have even lost teeth before.
The AUTOSTOP was another feature that he liked. When the motor goes from a state of being loaded to a sudden unloaded condition, the motor shuts off. That way, coring blindly into a space means that the user knows the core drill will not be cutting cut into something unforeseen behind the wall.
It took only a couple of minutes to core the first hole. In less than two hours, the electricians made the four cores of the manhole. The electrician then started to lay in the conduits. Late in the afternoon, the work downstream of the manhole was ready for the electrical inspector.
Having the MX core drill and stand allowed this project to proceed immediately and do productive work the same day that the need arose. This Milwaukee equipment saved Stans project from delay and having to wait two or three days for a specialty coring subcontractor to arrive on site.
Investment:
An investment in Milwaukee MX Fuel equipment is a lot of money for any contractor. The MX drill with the stand is just shy of $4000. The MX cutoff saw with two of the batteries and charger will run online around $2,500. Is this kind of investment justified for a commercial contractor. Stans says YES.
Here is why the MX Equipment is Worth the Investment.
Stans current job has a liquidated damages clause that would cost his company an amount that equates to $2,095/ work day. With the Milwaukee MX Fuel equipment, he avoided wasting three days on the roadwork to start the test pits.
He also avoided another three days of delay in starting the electrical conduit work.
Stan calculates, that having the Milwaukee MX Fuel equipment available to go with minimal startup timing was worth $12,600. That value is just shy of 2 times what the equipment initially cost.
Many Many More Uses
Stan is 100% sure that both of these pieces of equipment will be used repeatedly during the next 25 months. So right out of the box he saw that the investment was more than paid off and the rest of the use will be additional justification for having made the investment in this Milwaukee MX Fuel Equipment.
Both of these use cases were in remote locations that did not have an external power sources or water feeds available. With this equipment system, the work proceeded as soon as we showed up with the equipment.
Awesome story.
What I have realized recently is that battery power tools are holding its' value. Even after 1-2 year of sitting around it is possible to sell them with no more than 10-20% loss, as power tool renew cycle is not that quick like cars or phones.
We only need to select a battery platform wisely.
Excellent video Rob. That was a great example of the leverage that good tools provide.
@A Concord Carpenter / ToolBoxBuzz. Thanks Rob for the info and story behind the info. I'm also impressed the time you take to include the full transcript of what you said with each video.
Hope you, the staff at TBB, and your families stay safe and well.
Hi Rob - I work for the largest GC in Canada and we've been testing the MX Fuel line. Feedback so far has been "it's powerful, but the run time is a big limitation". Fuel is endless, batteries are not. Down time counts while waiting on batteries to be charged as well. For one-offs, great - but if you have some serious cutting to do it's just not there yet.
Agreed time and place - plus have extra batteries
Packing extra batteries is the solution on this. (I do home remodeling / repairs and general maintenance, not larger companies or projects like yourself). For larger jobs I know I'm gonna be wearing out my M12 fuels with, ill pack 2 or 3 extra batteries and cycle through charging them and using them. They use a lot of power fast, but also charge up fast as well. I sanded an entire 20x10 shed with my M12 Fuel Multitool just cycling through 2 batteries back and forth. Every time one would die, I would go out and have a green light on my battery charger. Shit works like a charm. Keep on keeping on man
Great video Rob!!! Time is money is one thing, but penalty clauses for delay are a different BEAST. "Investment" in good tooling is important if done correctly.
This was an excellent example how spending the money now can saves you time and money in the future. It’s basically an insurance plan.
This is America so we could afford luxuries, especially if making money, saving time and keeping safe. And we can always work and make that money back, because the country is prosperous.
Besides, money is the ultimate tool!
this story is awesome to hear and it goes perfect with the review
This is a great channel! Keep up the great content
Thanks, will do!
Great explanation of the tools benefits!
Glad it was helpful!
So there are several different ways to look at this given your scope of work.
I worked for a fencing contractor and probably drilled 10000 holes over 15 years in residential/commercial/industrial work.
Sometimes I pumped water from a pond using a marine bilge pump,sometimes siphoning from a 5 gallon bucket on top of a ladder.
Several resorts were right on the beach,but water and power were 500 ft away .
So you had to wheel a generator 1/4 mile to drill 1 or 2 holes,and that was it.
The mx coredrill would've had an ROI of 1 year from lost time.
Obviously this is a specialized industry.
If you build fence and you are still using extension cords,you must be in the middle of a big city or have more time than most.
Jobsite problem solving (common sense) is found less and less these days.
There is solution available, you just need to think tactically .
What’s the noise level like on the cutoff saw? I’m assuming much less then a gas saw? A quieter concrete cutting saw definitely would have it’s place.
Quieter and less vibration
I’m not a contractor but I don’t understand why this is better than a remote generator and extension cord to an electric saw. Maybe it’s a safety or noise thing but a remote generator can be placed 100 feet away and provide power no? That said. These tools are badass and I like that Milwaukee is pushing the envelope.
Looks like two cases where any 14” saw and any comparable core drill could have saved the day. No real need here for the expensive MX Fuel cordless options?
Sounds like that specialty core drilling company better watch their backs because Milwaukee is gonna put them out of business. Pretty impressive, Milwaukee is the real deal now let's see the ryobi and Dewalt comparison. lol
I normally don't like thinking in paying that much to invest.. but my remodel on my own home cost more and i could save more by investing in milwaukee tools
You can do it!
Extremely smart man. I know what you did, now Milwaukee can't sue you/unleash pissed off wrath of big money on you. Poor Stan. Haha good review man
Be nice to have an mx chainsaw blower and mower
notti bopping punching my hips
Milwaukee knocks it out of the park again.....
i have the core drill and struggle with it constantly. drilling into limestone blocks, no problem. but when i go to drill concrete retaining walls it constantly jams up. the clutch engages and makes a horrible grinding noise. i have spent hours (literally) on one hole and only manage to get 200mm deep. the only reason i can think its doing this is maybe its bouncing off the blue metal and thinks its about to jam. it is literally unuseable. Ive gone back to a cheap $300 drill and the milwaukee drill sits in the shed. anyone else have any issues????
What are you using for a core bit?
@@ConcordCarpenter diamond bit
The only MX tool I'm even remotely interested in is the power supply. All that concrete stuff is beyond my scope of work.
We’re looking at that too
How would you use it?
I've got one and I like it so far....I'm an electrical contractor....
@@ConcordCarpenter Temp lighting and charging batteries mostly. I'm wondering how well it would charge scissor lifts.
@@johnnyfreeman1018 I'm an electrician too and I'm wondering what you use it for.
Hey rob, do you have any feedback or runtime on the mx fuel breaker?
Tremendous useful tool in remodeling - runtime depends on application- we have 3 batteries and never worry. One is always charged
@@ConcordCarpenter excellent thanks for letting me know! I just purchased the 14” cut off saw and it came with 2 free batteries and an extra charger so if I buy the breaker I’d have 5-6 batteries at the ready
Nope.....get a weka or shibuya .....but this is great for harry homeowner but with some good soft bond bits
Why is Stan hiring the job out if he has the tools, manpower, and ability to do it? Confused...
I don’t need these tools but by god I still want them 👷
ha you're like me
Am I missing something or you just explained to us that an overprice tool is better than not having any tools? What if your friend bought the much cheaper and more practical tool instead? People aren't saying that MX Fuel is useless, they're saying it's way too expensive for what it is.
I think the guys that think MX are too expensive are not on projects that can benefit from the investment. There are many, many commercial projects where these tools will pay for themselves in a heart beat. It just depends where you're working. I recently had a commercial fit-up for an eye doctor's office. Very tight schedule do to SBA financing and the doctor's need to relocated and be operational quickly. We discovered an issue with the sewer lines inside the building, couldn't get a concrete cutting sub for about a week, do we wait and delay the project or find another way? This was a 6" slab, that small M18 wouldn't do it, using a gas saw wasn't an option (other medical offices in the building). So MX is the perfect solution for that problem.
@@toddfratzel3569 How about an electric saw that doesn't need a new battery every 5 feet and cost a fraction of the price? I'm a contractor and I know how employees can treat our tools, so I aint spending 3 grand on that thing. Think about it this way, for that price, you can get a gas power saw, a couple of electric ones AND a generator.
Love the vid but I honestly just can’t figure out what Milwaukee was thinking with the MX line. I mean general contractors and remodelers we’re Milwaukee’s bread and butter with auto mechanics bringing up the rear so what are they trying to do with these tools? It feels like Milwaukee is forgetting about us GCs and forgetting who has kept TTI’s doors open for the last 10 years
What are you talking about? Milwaukee is still pumping out new products and better technology for the rest of us. Milwaukee has the capability to branch out and they have the right to do so.
@@trevorm7013 You’re out of your mind for thinking you know what’s going on at Milwaukee. Unless you have extensive knowledge about their research and development schedule, then you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Not sure I understand your comment. I'm a general contractor, these tools are a big deal. That cordless cut-off saw will be HUGE for interior slab cutting. For cutting inside a building right now we have two choices, hire a concrete cutting sub (who will use a hydraulic saw) or cut inside with a gas saw at a huge risk to everyone. It's super expensive to hire that sub if you have a small area to cut (short plumbing trench, new footing, electrical conduit trench, etc). My guys have one of these and it will get used A LOT. Jump in a man hole and cut an opening (with a gas saw that is AWFUL). Sure, maybe these don't fit your daily work, but I know lots of GC's that can hugely benefit from a cordless solution for cuts in tough locations where it doesn't make sense to hire a specialty cutter.
@@toddfratzel3569 we use the m18 concrete saws to cut interior slabs and they work no problem. I guess the point I’m making is this was Aton of time and engineering for Milwaukee and their constantly late to the party like they were what five years behind dewalt to come out with a cordless framing gun and I think 4 years behind them to come out with a cordless compressor. I just wish Milwaukee would focus more on tools that we would use every day instead of all the time they put into this which is more for commercial contractors
@@andrewsalazar98 oh so do you have extensive knowledge about it then? I’m going off of the facts available to me which is their usually years behind other companies in their release of tools. God you’re stupid but if you’re as dumb as you look I get it. I love Milwaukee we run 99% Milwaukee tools just wish they’d focus more of their time on regular tools. They were five year behind dewalt to come out with a framing gun a cordless compressor and everything even as rob as said many times “once again Milwaukee is playing catch up” because they are and if you don’t have the intelligence to know that I can’t help you
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Same equipment is available in gas, for half the price. Made in America. You do love Milwaukee, always have. Milwaukee is a big sponsor and it shows
I feel like hiring electric or petrol cutoff saws or core drills would've been cheaper.
you mean rent?
@@Pepe-dq2ib yea, its called hire where I live.
Renting would have been cheaper but these guys are working on union commercial site and the jobs are typically done by the subs responsible for them. Stan would only do this in an emergency when the sub can’t show for a few days. I should let Stan chime in.....
One of the issues that comes up repeatedly is the lack of coordination or planning or things that come up instantly. That's where my MX FUEL equipment helped solve these problems. We could have rented equipment in either case, but it would have added additional time to get that equipment to the site. Renting is an option, but would have added time to the process and cost money. Stan
@@rechalrud agreed
Data or..Dhaada?
gotta disagree with stan on this one