Cyberpunk 2077 & 2020 - A Cross Examination
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Taking a look at CD Projekt Red's 2020 video game "Cyberpunk 2077" in parallel with its source material, R Talsorian Games' 1990 pen-and-paper rpg "Cyberpunk 2020".
Looking through the lens of how they work as *role playing games*.
*TIMESTAMPS*
Cyberpunk 2077 - 00:00
Pen and Paper Cyberpunk - 11:11
Cyberpunk 2020 - 15:49
Our Experience with 2020 - 25:21
Conclusion - 38:49
JonJon TheWise: • Build An Epic Cyberpun...
Damage calculation table for CP 2020: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
All the music used in this video are tracks I've played over our discord juke box for our party to fit the action during campaigns :)
Here is a link to that playlist
• cp2020
The sick mix of CP Violation and Anticitizen that plays at 38:19 was made by MJCaptures
• Anti-Citizen x CP Viol...
Another thing I didn't realize until JGray at R Talsorian pointed it out, is if you own Cyberpunk 2077, you own Cyberpunk 2020. Should be in your files /on steam /GOG. Nice :) - Ігри
Much love dude, thanks for the shout out.
word to da wise, remember pearl harbor
Its great to see you again BruT, and getting your teeth into a proper exploration of a subject too. Glad to know you're doing alright.
I had very tempered expectations that V was going to be their own character and tried my hardest not to put my idea of who I wanted them to be into them and instead tried to play V true to themselves.
The deseptice marketing claiming "Be anyone you want." Didn't help.
I'll run my first game of Cyberpunk Red on sunday. Totally hyped!
Great video. It does a great job at encapsulating the feeling of starting off on tabletop rpgs and learning a new system. Glad to see that you all are having a good time and hope you all enjoy your time on the streets.
loved the vid! Welcome to the community!
This was an amazing video! Great production values, writing and structure. I myself prefer 2020 over Red due to its realism and deadly combat. And while I appreciate Red for cutting away the fat and streamlining the game, 2020 with heavy homebrew is irreplaceable for me.
Don't get me wrong, they're both amazing and great ways to immerse yourself in the Cyberpunk world. And I'm glad it got you into the great world of tabletop roleplaying!
And your GM techniques are amazing, especially for someone who hadn't touched TTRPGs before. Definitely better than mine, I learned a couple things from this video!
A lot of big RPGs designed for the masses are designed in such a way that it almost feels like integrated FOMO (fear of missing out). You can only play within a very select subset of rules and mechanics that, regardless of your decisions, ultimately lead you to the same goal, and often means your decision to pick anything is meaningless.
Whether or not you're a hacker, a suave silvertongue or a cybernetic gunslinger is wholly irrelevant in 2077, because at anytime, you will be all of these things to varying degrees, because otherwise the player might not see or do something and by golly, that's just not cool.
It diminishes replay value. The word RPG now-a-days means less about role-playing and more about numbers on items.
I've been seeing a lot of people get into tabletop RPGs last year, and it's so nice to see.
Having your first GMing experience being something this ridiculously crunchy and, frankly, unfriendly to new GMs is _brave,_ though.
I'm currently in two groups, one playing the not-quite-as-but-still-very crunchy Shadowrun 5e, and one playing a PbtA game which are more about narrative outcomes than mechanical complexity. I enjoy both, for different reasons.
Awesome 🔥🔥🐯
Well this is a cool idea. I saw a video of some people playing a boardgame w/ their friends from all over the world and it actually looked hella fun
fuck.. 5:50 hit me so hard, just realising again how badly i would want the game to go there instead
how can something that conforms to mainstream media sensibilities be considered "Punk" in any way shape or form?
thats what i was saying
I agree with you, but I would keep in mind that both the tabletop and video game are primarily meant to show you a fun time while playing the role of a cyber punk. Not for either product to literally be "punk praxis" or something. They are games after all
i.e. the point is to pretend to be punk. not necessarily to actually *be* punk while playing it. The game itself being punk isn't a requirement. But to be sure, the independently published 2020 is a lot more "punk" than 2077...
@@BruTalc Oh yeah, it's not a diss against the game itself, but more so how "obsolete" the genre has become. I still really like the aesthetic and the setting in general, but it couldn't be further away from what "punk" is nowadays, whatever that would even be.
I remember picking up CP2020 shortly after release. There were 6 people in our group and 2 of us would switch off GM-ing. Over the course of our 2 year long campaign, we started as know nothing nobodies and, over the course of maybe 8 to 10 years game time, became the bane of Orbital Soviet. We closed out that campaign with a weekend marathon game where we stole an Orbital Soviet space station and sold it back to them. That was that groups last hurrah.
As for CP2077, I was seriously let down by the RP aspects of the game where the life path you choose doesn't really matter. Sure, some minor changes to dialogs here and there, but not enough to make your choice meaningful.
Only five days after the mother 3 commentary, damn you spoil us.
Neat :) I’m learning how to play cyberpunk red right now actually. I need a group tho
Impressive!
Automatic fire is a lot easier to use with the OTHER roll 20 sheet. It can roll automatic fire damage and location upto 10 times by pressing a single button.
Seeing you drop all those d10s was painful and reminded me of my time playing the game at an actual table with physical dice.
I do like the Autofire on that sheet you're using. It looks like that sheet you're using does damage and shows the hit location written out instead of as a dice.
I love running tabletop games for good friends. When you know what they're like, their tastes in tone and spectacle, coming up with a series of events that they can mutually enjoy is very rewarding.
I don't do well with the nuts and bolts of the stat crunch though. That shit always drives me up the wall.
Hope you’re still out there Bru!
I miss this! Man xD
As always, impressive. Enjoy the 7 hours of watch time you got from me today LOL keep it up my dude I love your approach and your introspective and worldly approach to everything
Love the Half Life and Redline music, among others..
36:50
That version of the Night City Map where Studio City and the east side don't match the 2020 Night City book makes my brain bleed. The Channel, New Harbor Mallplex, and Rangers Football Stadium are all missing. University district is comically large. Little Europe is suddenly west of WESTHILL. The Combat Zone has been pushed back quite a bit. The Gibson Freeway is gone.
The Flower Shop didn't make it boys. RIP.
Lol, UA-cam Premium.
Anyway, nothing says Adventure quite like learning a 400-page rulebook and using a spreadsheet for damage calculation.
Imagine paying for UA-cam lmao
I play and GM 2020, have since highschool. If you are looking for someone who can help you learn the 2020 netrunning rules, I run a netrunning focused game on Roll20 focused around the DataKrash of the 4CW.
I would be willing to run a couple of one shots for your group to help anyone learn anything or clarify questions.
Cumblebees unite
What did program did you use to simulate the game in?
Its used at 36:00 and onwards for reference
oh nvm u said it in the vid
Roll20 ! Good site.
Free if you don't need dynamic lighting.
honestly you could simulate DL by just placing tokens on the map once players "see" them but, it's a neat feature
@@BruTalc Honestly dynamic lighting sounds worth it
fuck me those first 5 seconds
Are you a functional Derich? I have to ask!
What does this even mean?
I want to say... I hope not?
You sound so much like CHARBORG and i’m suspicious
WTF back to back uploads
Cyberpunk 2077 is more based on Cyberpunk Red, not 2020
I still really liked the game. It had a lot of great aspects but yeah, it failed as an RPG. All I can hope for is some Hearts of Stone / Blood of Wine tier DLC for it, not that it will fix it.
I hope CD project red goes bankrupt