Amazing how many changes there have been since 2005. It's a real shame that Newcastle Station is no longer in use. It really was an iconic station of NSW, and was great going there when Steamfest was on.
There is a view of the 2 car set in one of my Newcastle videos, as you probably noticed. I wondered what depot you were at. Did you know (the late) Jack Lawson, or much younger Mark Coleman? I learned a lot thanks to both of them.
Geoffrey Moore Thanks for putting this on Facebook. As for recent events in Newcastle, I was there last December and walked the tram line so saw a lot of the rail closure effects. Maybe this will interest you. Newcastle Tram. Driver's Views and Lineside Scenes ua-cam.com/video/ytTcc1OLgTY/v-deo.html
neil king That’s interesting, because the Metro Rail and other transport projects are going to have to be constructed accordingly so to avoid the disruption it would have made, (In her plans)
Wait until the punters see that they have been tricked into cattle wagons with few seats and dumped at Chatswood where likely all the city trains are already full. It was originally planned as a normal Sydney line.
Thanks again for posting this video and sharing your collection. We are very fortunate that you share this footage for the benefit of us trainspotters. I have not been to Newcastle in 30 years so it was very interesting. So far I have been ambivalent about the line closure as I don't know enough about it. I have been more interested in what they can do to increase service frequency and travel times. (Not just on this line.) Do you have any U Boat footage? I remember taking a trip in one around Mullet Creek and it was a fantastic experience. Thanks again.
+Richard Smith I might as well share these videos. Otherwise the tapes will be sure to disappear forever when I die. There can be no advantage to rail passengers by cutting back the Newcastle rail line. I won't believe any replacement tram line until I see it in service. Yes they certainly are increasing travel times. The slower the trains run, the more chance the Transport Minister has of saying that all the trains ran on time last month! See my separate video "Single Deck Interurbans U Sets" for just about all I have of those trains.
+GTV: Glen's Train Vlogs I won't believe the proposed Newcastle tram line until I see it running in service. In the meantime I give it the same credibility as the tooth fairy.
@4.55 nice to hear some decent music in the form of Boston's More than a Feeling. What's a shame is that Civic is like Newcastle passed into history because of Governmental Vandalism
Excellent footage. I regret the fact I never caught a train to Newcastle before they cut the line back to Hamilton. A real shame given the convenience and history of Newcastle railway station. To say the least, a number of people somewhere along the line must have pocketed some very well stacked envelopes under the table over some "lunch meetings". Wouldn't be surprised to see the units stack up in the future over the former rail line... On a happier note, it's great to see some of the preserved 620/720's in action before they were withdrawn. The RMS have done an amazing job with 621/721 and even took it as far as Brisbane / Roma St Station - It was strange to see it alongside Brisbane EMUs. (there is a video of this on youtube) As for the suburban runs in the greater Newcastle area using Sydney suburban trains - how/when/why did that come about? and were these local runs all Newcastle - Morriset?
+John Smith I never lived in Newcastle so can only assume that before electrification that the electric suburban runs stemmed from earlier suburban services to Belmont and Toronto. When those 2 closed, the terminus I think may have been Fassifern, later extended to Morisset. Meanwhile with electrification, the Sydney to Gosford services were extended to Wyong. Sometime after 2005 the gap was closed thus ending separate Newcastle electric suburban services as such.
@@tressteleg1 An interesting post (posted in 2005 with impending intro of hunter rail cars) I came across which is probably of interest to go with your video of these last 6 (previously 7 sets - 628/728 was withdrawn after a collision with coal train at Hexham in 2002 and never repaired). The post talks about the favorites of the last 6 operational sets:- "621, 623 and 625 are favourites among crews for reliability and ride comfort. 629 and 631 are also very good units but as good as the 3 above. 626 and 628 (when it was operational) were just straight out lemons. This info compiled from drivers and guards from Newcastle and maintenance staff at Broadmeadow. 625 is recorded as the best unit in the fleet and also carries a speed record of 152km/h near Singleton during 1993." As it turned out, after last regular service in June 2007, 626/726 being the worst of the 6 was cannibalized for spare parts for the others.
That does make interesting reading. It’s surprising how much difference they was in the performance of different sets even though they were theoretically identical. Up to a point, Melbourne W class trams were the same. Although essentially identical, some were a little bit faster or slower than average. Those variations don’t seem to apply with more modern trams. I’m surprised by that speed record for that set you mentioned. I wonder how they calculated the speed as those trains had no speedometers that I recall, unless such equipment was fitted in the final years.
@@tressteleg1 No idea how they recorded it and the speed does seem excessive for that class of train. They are rated of a top speed of around 115km/h, same as the DEB Sets. When Lithgow State Mine was doing testing trials in late 2014 of 661/726 it clearly showed that the unit was holding 115km/h for stretches and I'd say it'd certainly be capable of more than that, even though 152 seems a bit high. As for the difference between sets, given the various engine replacements they had over the years, some having them a few years earlier, it's probably not surprising them would be some variation towards the end of their lives. May be of interest to you as well, a few days ago the New England Railway Armidale put out a call for help to get their set 635/765 running on the main line again. They also have 632/732 which is in very poor condition. These railcars are quite ideal for heritage groups as they are compact, capable of good main line speeds and have plenty of heritage charm and being diesel can pretty much run anywhere. RMS Paterson have taken 621/721 all the way up to Roma Street in Brisbane for trips on more than one occasion as well as down into Victoria a little bit.
What was the exact nature of this suburban line? Did it terminate at Morisset or Gosford? Were the services more regular than the interurban services? Did these appear in the Central Coast - Newcastle line timetable? I know this was asked before but not properly answered that I could see.
Old Aussie Ads I’m only going from memory which could be inaccurate. Morreset certainly was the southern terminus in earlier times. Probably because of the Toronto branch starting there and available crossovers from the coal mine. I’m not sure whether the Newcastle suburbans were extended to Wyong or whether it was the Sydney short workings extended from Gosford to Wyong. Certainly electrification operated to Wyong before it went on to Newcastle. Later there were two types of services introduced between Newcastle and Sydney. Some were somewhat expressy, while in between trains were more or less all stations after Hornsby. It ended separate suburban operations south from Newcastle.
Interesting that some V-sets still sported the Blue Goose livery as late as 2005...I was under the impression that was gone in the early 90s. I will miss the Vs when they are phased out over the next few years
Oh, no! I have been dreading the announcement of V Sets being phased out. :( They are by far the best stock on the network. So, it's actually gonna happen? Will they just be replaced by fucking H Sets (OSCars), or will Transport for NSW fork out for the public sector to build something good? Ha, not fucking likely. :(
The V sets are going to be replaced by all new South Korean built Intercity trains - about 520 carriages. These are not only going to replace V sets but pretty much all (or almost all) Oscars, which will then be relegated to suburban duties much like what happened to the Tangara G sets. Have a google search for "nsw intercity train". It is anticipated that the first of the new intercity trains will arrive in 2019, which will then signal the start of withdrawal of the V sets.
Spewin' I never got to ride on a 620/720 or 'hunter' car. Always wanted to ride on one. on a completely different note. I guess you've ridden on Tangara's right ? why are they so bad in lateral movements like they're hunting on the rails... ?
+JMSRENFORCER98 The Hunters I expect are still there so that's not too late for a ride. The 620s I believe do tours from time to time, so keep a lookout for one. I have not lived near Sydney since 1987 so can't comment about the Tangaras. I never did like their shovel fronts.
The Hunter services out of Newcastle (or now Newcastle Interchange which is close to where Wickham station was) are serviced by Endeavours and Hunter Railcars so you can certainly catch those. As for the 620/720's there is 621/721 which is with RMS Paterson which has been restored to original livery and does tours all over the place - it's even been all the way into Brisbane (where there is standard gauge track). Just over the last 2 weeks 623/723 was taken off to be restored and will be based out of Lithgow. There is of course 661/726 at Byron
All the services still exist except the last two or 3 km of track into Newcastle station. Successive governments have wanted to close this piece of line so they could sell the valuable land occupied it, not that they will ever admit that was the major reason.
That would not surprise me. However after all the scandals in that party over the last year or so, it will be interesting to see what the voters think.
TheTypicalDude For years, governments on both sides of politics I believe, were hellbent on closing the line. It seems that all the land has now been sold off which is almost certainly what it was all about in the first place. The tram was just a sop to try to get away with it.
I agree with your sentiment about Newcastle station. It stinks to high heaven. I would like to see the money trail. There should be a royal commission!!
![[SFS] This is a boxcar that ruined our week.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/F-Jb1L8ShrY/mqdefault.jpg)
Amazing how many changes there have been since 2005. It's a real shame that Newcastle Station is no longer in use. It really was an iconic station of NSW, and was great going there when Steamfest was on.
+MC3801 Productions
When corrupt politicians are in bed with land developers, unspeakable things can happen.
tressteleg1 I agree. I'm not sure why they think tearing up the line at Newcastle would be a good move and changing it into a Light Rail System??!!
10:00 I miss these little Caplet shaped trains. Loved the seating on them. They were better than the Plastic Bucket seats on today's trains.
Yes, they served well for very many years and with comfortable seats. Apparently everything that replaced them is about to be superseded already.
You can hear more than a feeling by Boston at 3:55
3:37 - “ohhh fuckkk!”
R.I.P Newcastle inner city railway line from Newcastle central to Hamilton station
Whilst I worked at eveliegh we had a job from Sydney to Newcastle with a 2car k set
There is a view of the 2 car set in one of my Newcastle videos, as you probably noticed.
I wondered what depot you were at. Did you know (the late) Jack Lawson, or much younger Mark Coleman? I learned a lot thanks to both of them.
Thanks for all these. I have posted on Facebook about my visit to Newcastle since the line was closed. Let me know if you want photos.
Geoffrey Moore Thanks for putting this on Facebook.
As for recent events in Newcastle, I was there last December and walked the tram line so saw a lot of the rail closure effects. Maybe this will interest you. Newcastle Tram. Driver's Views and Lineside Scenes ua-cam.com/video/ytTcc1OLgTY/v-deo.html
Berejiklian was a hopeless Transport Minister.
It going to cost NSW billions to fix the damage she done , the metro rail , disaster in the making
neil king That’s interesting, because the Metro Rail and other transport projects are going to have to be constructed accordingly so to avoid the disruption it would have made, (In her plans)
agreed Berejiklian is a moron, totally hopeless
You'll all change your minds when the driverless metro comes in all over Sydney -- Newcastle and the Illawarra next.
Wait until the punters see that they have been tricked into cattle wagons with few seats and dumped at Chatswood where likely all the city trains are already full. It was originally planned as a normal Sydney line.
Thanks again for posting this video and sharing your collection. We are very fortunate that you share this footage for the benefit of us trainspotters. I have not been to Newcastle in 30 years so it was very interesting. So far I have been ambivalent about the line closure as I don't know enough about it. I have been more interested in what they can do to increase service frequency and travel times. (Not just on this line.)
Do you have any U Boat footage? I remember taking a trip in one around Mullet Creek and it was a fantastic experience.
Thanks again.
+Richard Smith
I might as well share these videos. Otherwise the tapes will be sure to disappear forever when I die.
There can be no advantage to rail passengers by cutting back the Newcastle rail line. I won't believe any replacement tram line until I see it in service.
Yes they certainly are increasing travel times. The slower the trains run, the more chance the Transport Minister has of saying that all the trains ran on time last month!
See my separate video "Single Deck Interurbans U Sets" for just about all I have of those trains.
I will certainly look at that. Thanks again.
Newcastle to Hamilton (Hamilton station is not closed) was closed in christmas 2014 to make way for the new light rail and new Wickham interchange
+GTV: Glen's Train Vlogs
I won't believe the proposed Newcastle tram line until I see it running in service. In the meantime I give it the same credibility as the tooth fairy.
@4.55 nice to hear some decent music in the form of Boston's More than a Feeling. What's a shame is that Civic is like Newcastle passed into history because of Governmental Vandalism
DKS225 It was a stupid move on the behalf of the Transport Minister then.
Jamie Lipscomb I agree!
The 2 carriage double decker train is cute
K Set?
V Set?
Excellent footage. I regret the fact I never caught a train to Newcastle before they cut the line back to Hamilton. A real shame given the convenience and history of Newcastle railway station. To say the least, a number of people somewhere along the line must have pocketed some very well stacked envelopes under the table over some "lunch meetings". Wouldn't be surprised to see the units stack up in the future over the former rail line...
On a happier note, it's great to see some of the preserved 620/720's in action before they were withdrawn. The RMS have done an amazing job with 621/721 and even took it as far as Brisbane / Roma St Station - It was strange to see it alongside Brisbane EMUs. (there is a video of this on youtube)
As for the suburban runs in the greater Newcastle area using Sydney suburban trains - how/when/why did that come about? and were these local runs all Newcastle - Morriset?
+John Smith
I never lived in Newcastle so can only assume that before electrification that the electric suburban runs stemmed from earlier suburban services to Belmont and Toronto. When those 2 closed, the terminus I think may have been Fassifern, later extended to Morisset. Meanwhile with electrification, the Sydney to Gosford services were extended to Wyong. Sometime after 2005 the gap was closed thus ending separate Newcastle electric suburban services as such.
Some of them were to sydney
@@tressteleg1 An interesting post (posted in 2005 with impending intro of hunter rail cars) I came across which is probably of interest to go with your video of these last 6 (previously 7 sets - 628/728 was withdrawn after a collision with coal train at Hexham in 2002 and never repaired). The post talks about the favorites of the last 6 operational sets:-
"621, 623 and 625 are favourites among crews for reliability and ride comfort. 629 and 631 are also very good units but as good as the 3 above. 626 and 628 (when it was operational) were just straight out lemons. This info compiled from drivers and guards from Newcastle and maintenance staff at Broadmeadow. 625 is recorded as the best unit in the fleet and also carries a speed record of 152km/h near Singleton during 1993."
As it turned out, after last regular service in June 2007, 626/726 being the worst of the 6 was cannibalized for spare parts for the others.
That does make interesting reading. It’s surprising how much difference they was in the performance of different sets even though they were theoretically identical. Up to a point, Melbourne W class trams were the same. Although essentially identical, some were a little bit faster or slower than average. Those variations don’t seem to apply with more modern trams. I’m surprised by that speed record for that set you mentioned. I wonder how they calculated the speed as those trains had no speedometers that I recall, unless such equipment was fitted in the final years.
@@tressteleg1 No idea how they recorded it and the speed does seem excessive for that class of train. They are rated of a top speed of around 115km/h, same as the DEB Sets. When Lithgow State Mine was doing testing trials in late 2014 of 661/726 it clearly showed that the unit was holding 115km/h for stretches and I'd say it'd certainly be capable of more than that, even though 152 seems a bit high.
As for the difference between sets, given the various engine replacements they had over the years, some having them a few years earlier, it's probably not surprising them would be some variation towards the end of their lives.
May be of interest to you as well, a few days ago the New England Railway Armidale put out a call for help to get their set 635/765 running on the main line again. They also have 632/732 which is in very poor condition. These railcars are quite ideal for heritage groups as they are compact, capable of good main line speeds and have plenty of heritage charm and being diesel can pretty much run anywhere. RMS Paterson have taken 621/721 all the way up to Roma Street in Brisbane for trips on more than one occasion as well as down into Victoria a little bit.
Drug deal at 4:59? 🤔 Hehe. But God, this video is amazing! Such precious footage. Thank you!
Glad you liked it. Totally impossible to replicate today. Hard to say what they are doing on the platform…
A certified Newcastle moment
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They was the day's I miss Newcastle railway station and catching a train to the beach
Don’t trust politicians who may gain personally from odd decisions like that.
What was the exact nature of this suburban line? Did it terminate at Morisset or Gosford? Were the services more regular than the interurban services? Did these appear in the Central Coast - Newcastle line timetable? I know this was asked before but not properly answered that I could see.
Old Aussie Ads I’m only going from memory which could be inaccurate. Morreset certainly was the southern terminus in earlier times. Probably because of the Toronto branch starting there and available crossovers from the coal mine. I’m not sure whether the Newcastle suburbans were extended to Wyong or whether it was the Sydney short workings extended from Gosford to Wyong. Certainly electrification operated to Wyong before it went on to Newcastle. Later there were two types of services introduced between Newcastle and Sydney. Some were somewhat expressy, while in between trains were more or less all stations after Hornsby. It ended separate suburban operations south from Newcastle.
Its funny how the old endeavour sets were basically the hunter railcars before they were created!
Australian Public Transport Videos Spin doctors at work 😄
Interesting that some V-sets still sported the Blue Goose livery as late as 2005...I was under the impression that was gone in the early 90s. I will miss the Vs when they are phased out over the next few years
Oh, no! I have been dreading the announcement of V Sets being phased out. :( They are by far the best stock on the network. So, it's actually gonna happen? Will they just be replaced by fucking H Sets (OSCars), or will Transport for NSW fork out for the public sector to build something good? Ha, not fucking likely. :(
The V sets are going to be replaced by all new South Korean built Intercity trains - about 520 carriages. These are not only going to replace V sets but pretty much all (or almost all) Oscars, which will then be relegated to suburban duties much like what happened to the Tangara G sets. Have a google search for "nsw intercity train". It is anticipated that the first of the new intercity trains will arrive in 2019, which will then signal the start of withdrawal of the V sets.
That is so upsetting. :( I wish Comeng was still around.
@@JohnSmith-sh1cu Are you still expecting the Oscars will service the Wyong via North Shore routes?
Spewin' I never got to ride on a 620/720 or 'hunter' car. Always wanted to ride on one. on a completely different note. I guess you've ridden on Tangara's right ? why are they so bad in lateral movements like they're hunting on the rails... ?
+JMSRENFORCER98
The Hunters I expect are still there so that's not too late for a ride. The 620s I believe do tours from time to time, so keep a lookout for one. I have not lived near Sydney since 1987 so can't comment about the Tangaras. I never did like their shovel fronts.
The Hunter services out of Newcastle (or now Newcastle Interchange which is close to where Wickham station was) are serviced by Endeavours and Hunter Railcars so you can certainly catch those. As for the 620/720's there is 621/721 which is with RMS Paterson which has been restored to original livery and does tours all over the place - it's even been all the way into Brisbane (where there is standard gauge track). Just over the last 2 weeks 623/723 was taken off to be restored and will be based out of Lithgow. There is of course 661/726 at Byron
It has K1 K2 K3 K4
I had no idea these services existed.... don't know why they got rid of them
All the services still exist except the last two or 3 km of track into Newcastle station. Successive governments have wanted to close this piece of line so they could sell the valuable land occupied it, not that they will ever admit that was the major reason.
10:45 I seem rather foolish of forgetting this but what were the names of those trains? Sorry I forgot
They were either the 600/700 class railcars, later ones 620/720. They are the groups of car numbers.
tressteleg1 ohh thanks for telling me! I used to know but I forgot☺️
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Were they also called E Sets?
No, usually 600 or 621, sometimes Two Car sets but not E sets. Only electrics we’re described in Set types.
From my understanding, if the LNP is re-elected the Hunter & Southern Highlands Lines will all close.
That would not surprise me. However after all the scandals in that party over the last year or so, it will be interesting to see what the voters think.
10:40 you can hear the announcer and btw they shouldn’t of closed it and replaced it with the light rail
TheTypicalDude For years, governments on both sides of politics I believe, were hellbent on closing the line. It seems that all the land has now been sold off which is almost certainly what it was all about in the first place. The tram was just a sop to try to get away with it.
I agree with your sentiment about Newcastle station. It stinks to high heaven. I would like to see the money trail. There should be a royal commission!!
There was the ICAC investigation and a Parliamentary Enquiry which found no corruption in relation to the 2km rail line truncation