What is a rusty rail move and why do we do it? Piccadilly Line
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Today's video is about a rusty rail move that we do on the Piccadilly Line.
We take a look at the sidings at Rayners Lane, South Harrow and Acton Town.
I also answer some of the most common questions asked on my train videos.
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Dale I think for us casual train nerds you give the perfect balance of information, not too technical but just enough to answer the majority of questions people have about this fascinating line of work. It also doesn't surprise me how rude perfect strangers can be on UA-cam. Love your videos.
Well said sir.
Agreed!
Yes well said 👏 👍 😊
Also agreed, this one was particularly good due to all the siding moves, not something you normally see
Yes i agree
Would not worry about 'angry' comments. These are enjoyable insights into rail work.
I agree.
A lot of them are arm chair who think they know everything there is to know, to the point part of the problem is if this information becomes more general knowledge, they no longer feel special. The other problem is they don’t know the actual serious information that has to be kept from them, so they assume what information is actually secret.
tons of soft little homosexuals in the railfan hobby just ignore all these pussy crybabies
him answering those gives some really interesting points though, I wouldn't have known that you can run the red light for going into the siding for example
I worked on the Piccadilly back in 1968. I once accidentally took a passenger into those sidings at Acton, my driver allowed her to drive the train back into the platform so she had a story to tell the kids when she got home. I was lucky to get away with it because it was a disciplinary offence.
I was based at Northfields but lived at Finsbury Park so one week I was getting the staff bus at about 2am to go to work and the following week I was getting home at 2am and it was too much for me so I quit after about one year.
"One more through the pipe", up and down the Aldwych shuttle and waiting for the stick to drop off at Covent Garden where there was a signal box. I Enjoyed your video it brought back many memories.
Could be used for recruiting. Very good.
nice comment
these videos would be the best way to recruit drivers as you can see what an actual shift is like
I agree!!
Yes I think new drivers might find it interesting
@@dalecharmantravels8057 I just wish that they would actually start recruiting for drivers
It's true, after watching just this video I was really interested in drain driving as a career lol. Always enjoyed riding trains etc. And the information is brilliant!
@@danh9503 Yep, you gotta learn to drive those drains! 😁
This is the first "train" video that I've seen where someone actually talks to you,and explains to a degree what is going on....Well done !!!
Me too!
It was a pleasure going on this Rusty Rail move with you from a New York City train operator!!
Glad you enjoyed it.
By the way, I cannot understand how some people are rude to you. I mean, asking if you have permission to film and is it safe is an obvious question but I can’t see any reason to be aggressive. Seems to be a feature of the online world and rather sad.
Your response was brilliant … so professional! “Of course I have permission and I’m basically just talking to myself and avoiding technical matters which might distract from driving.” That’s the way to respond, calm and professional. 👍
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that LUL used to jump on people taking videos and photos inside their stations without having a permit card. Happened to me around 2005. Maybe the complainers are suggesting it's one rule for them and one for the rest of us? I don't know, just speculating.
It's always a good idea to get permission to film.
The driver who filmed the 'Bakerloo Line Exposed' videos (where he goes through the tunnels with a powerful torch on, to 'expose' what we and other drivers don't normally see) did say he got a bit of a ticking off for the first video he published, as he hadn't asked permission, but fortunately his bosses were understanding and allowed him to continue :)
He's lucky. I drive freight trains on the main line and no way would I be allowed to do that or get away with it if caught.
@@andyhinds542there is a freight train driver who posts videos and I’m sure he has permission
Must've been a really powerful torch.
What you're doing isn't at all distracting - in fact it's a technique that police driving instructors use when training high speed pursuits. You talk about what you're seeing, doing and looking for. You talk about the "threats" you can see (someone coming out of junction and not paying attention, cyclist, pedestrians, etc). Using that technique makes for a safer and far better driver because you're announcing what is going on.
Also how most good bus companies train potential drivers! It forces the driver to constantly scan his or her surroundings and not fixate straight ahead
@@troybellamy4615 I didn't know that but it makes sense!
What you say is the reason behind the slightly odd to many of us japanese custom their train drivers have of "saluting" after each separate action they do.
I had similar training in the Fire Brigade.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch I thought they were pointing?
IIRC platform staff also does this, checking clear platforms and the such by pointing at the eye first
Many years ago I had just started as a supervisor at Hounslow Central and on my first night shift I just happened to look at the monitors and to my absolute horror I saw a train departing in the wrong direction (no one had thought to tell me about the rusty rail move over the points). The line controller had a good laugh.
Is that the crossover at the Acton end of the platform?
I've got 30 years experience driving buses and it's so cool to see how the other side do the job and how it is..
Thank you
“People taking offence” don’t sweat it and thank you for your brilliant video
instantly one of my favorite UA-cam channels. You won't believe how therapeutic I find it in the middle of a hectic day, as well as being very interesting and educational of course
I have no interest in trains at all but find these train travel videos very therapeutic and relaxing.
Very commendable how much patience you have for silly comments and questions from the keyboard warriors
I try to be as polite as I can. What I say to myself off camera might be slightly different
Your running commentary is great, I absolutely love to hear the reasoning and justifications you provide, I find it invaluable. Thank you.
This is actually more interesting than a regular service. More like this would be nice.
Yes I figured you had permission to film and I consider you a highly professional operator/driver interesting and informative videos Greetings from USA!
Thank you
There’s nothing more cathartic than the sound of a running tube train
Not sure I agree with you there but each to their own :)
My farts sound better
@@dalecharmantravels8057 to be fair if you were my driver I wouldn’t want you to be, I need you awake
Running back and forth on the same line and listening to your commentary is just great fun! I feel as if I know you personally. And this from me in America. Thank you.
You are most welcome. Glad you enjoy it
Very good Dale. Interesting to see the difference between underground and heavy rail.
Thank you
Dale. Your videos are wonderful and oddly calming. I don't think I am overstepping to say all passenegers in any vehicle want to see what is actually happening. You do it well. Thank you. (Canada here.) You are in the same league as airline pilots filming from the cockpit.
Thank you I appreciate the nice words
57 years ago I used to travel from Uxbridge to Harrow-on-the Hill, then get a bus to school. I would regularly get the Piccadilly Line and change at Rayners Lane and get the Metropolitan line that you passed on RL Station.
I would also regularly "bunk off" school and spend the day on the underground.
Thanks for the memories!
Or in the States we'd say "play hooky." Amazing how the same language can have such diverse idioms. Cheers from the US!
@@kirkchestnut5045 Yes indeed! Hooky reminds me if an excellent beer from the Hook Norton brewery in Oxford, called Old Hooky. It was their strongest regularly brewed beer. Perfect falling down water.
Nice to see the Job from a drivers eye. from a Met signaller 😂👍🏼
Thank you! It's fascinating to see something that we just couldn't and wouldn't see as passengers.
Another great video. Very interesting and entertaining for me. Thank you and best regards, Michael from Germany
Thank you Micheal
Excellent, thanks for sharing this vid Dale. An interesting working. Cheers from New Zealand, Marty
I love the fact that Britain is supposed to be metric, but you are using mph. and 'stone'. Awesome. Canadians understand. Carry on MacDuff.
We are a bit messed up in the uk
I found that interesting also, mph when distances are commonly km in the UK as I understand it. What are the speed limit signs on the roads in?
Miles per hour. I know we have a bit of a messed measuring system here
@toddhenning8304 the roads ars building in metric and have, where they are in use, metric road and location markers but the road signs are in miles and yards for distance and mph for speed.
I've worked in London for a year back in the 90's, then last year I was back as a tourist. I had no idea how much is involved in what you do. And now i'm hooked on the videos you post. Thank you so much. And thank you and your collegues for the service you provide. London just wouldn't function without you all.
Thank you for this, randomly came up in my videos and I notice how much I miss the sound of those trains. I lived in London in my 20s and I miss it especially when I hear those sounds.
Hi Dale , as a train enthusiast and member of a rail preservation organisation in Western Australia, I have just found your channel. I would like to compliment you on your commentary as there are so many channels that don’t .
As for people saying your distracted they just have to watch drivers in Japan they literally point to signals points ect as part of their everyday driving , this cements their actions in their thinking . Keep up the excellent vlogs . Again thank you .
I haven't seen any videos from this channel before, but I have a good first impression. It's cool to see an actual tube driver giving an insight into what their job is like.
Loving your videos, Dale. Very informative and well filmed. I cant believe some of the questions that you get asked and the comments you get. I work for SWR and some of the shall we say 'train spotters' think they know more than we do and tell us how to do our job! Too many armchair experts unfortunately.
Some times they do know more than me 🤣
🤣🤣
Thanks for this.
Brings back a lot of good memories from the late 80's to mid 90's of my time with LU.
Thank you
My Uncle Alf used to drive on the Northern line for 25 years plus. He loved his job and watching your videos l can see why.
I think the drivers were called motormen in those days
Thank you
I bet in the test to drive these things involves explaining exactly what’s going on… so more awareness rather than distraction
I really enjoy watching your videos and will say they’re just enough without over complicating it. I also have to say that I’m very envious of you but my time is now long since gone now so will enjoy these videos… As for the rude or nasty comments. These people exist in all walks of life and just can’t help passing their nasty opinions. However no matter how many positive comments one gets, sometimes those negative remarks often stick in our heads. Keep up with great videos 👍
Brilliant, love these video I get a lot of inspiration!
Thank you glad you liked it
A lot of people don’t appreciate or understand the nitty gritty of working these sorts of jobs.
They think it’s easy. It’s straightforward. Anyone can do it…
I work for New York City Transit as a conductor, been here two years. I’ve had to sort out everything from lost property to a vandalism to man having a seizure on my train.
That last one really made me lose faith in humanity. The poor man is lying there, half on the train, half on the platform, having fallen when the doors opened, and people are asking me “how long is this gonna take”…
I took a deep sigh “if i knew how long this would take, i would have told you. Also… the man is lying right there and can hear you. Please, have a little sympathy.”
I completely fail to understand signal lights etc. A single green is easy, anything else confuses me with what it means for speed or upcoming problems. But, my biggest issue would be trying to stop the train at exactly the right spot on the platform without shaking up the passengers. And then, I watched a TV series about training drivers in the UK, which showed me that I would constantly fail. It's not an easy job at all.
@@dgk42 our system is pretty simple since it works not much different than a traffic light, just flipped 180 with green at the top. “Go”, “slow down the next one is is red”, “stop”.
If you see a signal with six lights, those are at switch points, the top three are the same as a three light signal.
The bottom three are for telling you how the switch is set.
“Green over green” proceed, accepting straight route.
“Green over yellow” proceed, accepting divergent route.
“Yellow over green” proceed with caution the next signal is red, accept straight route.
“Yellow over yellow” proceed with caution next signal is red, accept diverging route.
“Red over Red” Stop and stay.
“Red over/under any other color” stop, stay, and call control because the signal is broken.
There is one other aspect to note “flashing green”, which means you are in “Communications based train control” territory and your train is being overseen by the computers.
Greetings from Queensland, Australia (Brit ex pat). What an enjoyable and informative video. Not too complicated and beautifully clear pictures. Subscribed. Thank you.
Very interesting video about details the ordinary person doesn't know about the running of a large rail commuter network. It's always a bit scary when you are running "wrong line", as you are in the hands of the signaling department.
Excellent information. I cannot believe that viewers are telling you that you are doing something wrong. What the hell do they know ? Busy know it alls. You are the expert and we appreciate you.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I’m not sure I’m an expert but I can get from one end of the line to the other 🤣🤣
Really enjoyable and thank you from Australia.
I've been a coach driver/ operator for 52 years, interesting to see your views. Being a Londoner l did many tours in one of my dad's coaches. I know the stations only from the outside !
I love these videos. I spent a lot of my childhood riding the Piccadilly and Met lines from Uxbridge, mostly going to the museums, and to see my first girlfriend who was at UCL.
A very interesting video as someone who loves the tube its nice to learn new things and terms like "rusty rail" sounds like a cocktail
Not sure you would want to drink it
Much enjoyed your video, it’s 55 years since I rode the tube. Cheers from Australia.
I like the expression "rusty rail move" because it perfectly describes what is done and if you think about it also for what reason.
I will start the driver training in about 1 and a half month at the "Hamburger Hochbahn" Hamburg metro in Germany and I'm quite sure that they have similiar manoeuvres and I wonder how they name them.
That's great to hear. I hope you enjoy your career as a driver in Hamburg
@@dalecharmantravels8057 Thanks !
Enjoyed every minute of that. I have seen many "Driver's eye view" videos but none had the running commentary that yours has, I think you do a great job. Thank you for taking us along and please keep them coming. 👍+🔔
Very interesting that for taking us along with you - seems strange to a ex BR man the rule about not sounding the horn after 7pm
I think it's all about not causing a noise disturbance for the locals. I suppose as we don't have level crossings its not such an issue
Thanks for another interesting video; you take me back to the war time days - on Sundays we used to take the Piccadilly line from Gloucester Road to Hounslow West to visit my Aunt & Uncle who lived at Heston - Happy memories!
Many thanks, Dale. Fascinating!
Thank you
Hi Dale my name is Will Lake, and I like watching your Tube Train Video, it's really amazing to see how you drive it, and it's really interesting to hear it picking up speed and slowing down again, I've been on Tube Train before, when I went on a Underground Ride, with my Grandparents and my Younger Brother when we went to London for the day with them, when we were children, and it was good fun, it was a very smooth ride, and I was always excited when we got on another one, and stopped off, I would love to go on another one, one day, when I go to London again with my family, and remember the good times.
Thank you for sharing Will
Another fascinating video, thank you, I love seeing non-standard stuff that us, the general public, wouldn’t see. So - the 25mh allowance through stations when running empty, is that for overground stations in effect? Sorry, I don’t know the tube map well enough, I don’t mean to ask obvious questions.
On the pic line the line supplement allowing for the 25mph is only for some stations out side. Non are in the tunnel sections
Thanks, your video gave me a chance to spot my daughter's flat, which is right beside the line. Having lived for a while in London, then returning to Canada, your videos give me a way to feed my ongoing fascination with the Tube. Keep up the great content!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it
Cannot believe anyone would seriously ask if you steer the trains! It's hilarious! Do they not understand the whole point of railway tracks?😂😂
I can understand that people might not know if you choose your direction at points etc.
The speed controls on some perhaps 1950s French electrics looked like steering wheels. It is in a video about setting speed records.
This is one of the most amazingly interesting videos I have ever seen, glued to the screen the entire time :)
Well done to you and your employers for allowing such videos to be filmed and posted. It gives everyone a better understanding of what your job and the running a complex network entails.
Thank you
Indeed shocking considering how much TFL hates photography.
Dale, just stumbled upon your channel. Watching you from Fabulous Las Vegas 🎉. Great video.
Another great video 👍
So sorry that you’ve received rude comments on previous videos in relation to your permission to make these videos.
Thank you
I love the derailing aspect of those points where a train passing the danger is thrown off the rails as the point arms are away from their contact rails either side... pretty cool stuff :D
Can you as a driver tell the difference between an empty train like this and a fully packed one based on just the acceleration and braking? Or is the passenger weight not so significant on the total weight of the train.
It really depends on the train. You will notice if you are full while going up a hill. Braking not so much
Thanks, Dale for your great video content. As an Aussie who lived in London back in the early '90s, working in a totally different industry, and now as a Train Controller back home in Victoria, I find your content fascinating from the point of view of "same industry, different signals and different terminologies". Considering the Australian, and particularly the Victorian, rail systems have their roots firmly planted within the UK's original approaches, it's wonderful to see what we do that's the same, but particularly, what is different. I still love London and the Tube, so thanks for bringing us this great content. Cheers.
Absolutely fascinating -- thanks for sharing this Dale, really enjoying the commentary. You answered so many questions I had and I'm already a bit of a tube anorak. Funny how duff comments always come from users with zero videos... as you know it's all about them and they don't have to taint it for the rest of us - we appreciate your video work! Subscribed!
Keep going, This is marvellous stuff. I was a Station Foreman at Roding Valley one night they pinched my kerosene signal lamps which I needed for the last train. Good wishes from Australia.
Great video to watch... I'm an ex LUL / Metronet / Contractor working on the London Underground infrastructure and this video certainly brought back some good memories.
Your professionalism is impressive. I take the Piccadilly line every day so its good to know there are sensible people at the controls!
Interesting video. There's been a lot of changes on the Rayners Lane branch since I left the Picc line 7 1/2 years ago. I left LU 3 1/2 years ago, after a 31 year career, 25 years of which was as a driver & 13 years as a Picc Line driver at AGR
Hi Dale, great videos, thanks! It's not the wheel flanges that keep the train on the rails, or you would hear a constant screech which would soon wear out the wheels and the track.
The wheels are actually conical, and that is what keeps the wheels and axle centered between the rails!
First time here and was very fun to watch, definitely subscribing!
This was a video that i never knew I needed, but greatly glad I found :)
Another great video, I’ve never seen a train travel into a station on the other side, love the Piccadilly line, looking forward to the next video…Thank you
Thank you
An excellent and informative video, especially to the non railway viewers , I spent 47 years as a guard on national rail, so I’m. Familiar with a lot of the signalling arrangements. Surprised that you are still driving this stock, I thought the whole of the tube was now automatic operation, you must be one of the last lines where you have full control.
Its just the Piccadilly and Bakerloo line that drive 100% manually
This video is pure gold! Seeing such operations on youtube is just amazing! Can’t wait to see more of them!
Here in Australia it's called track cleaning - rostered into the timetable.
thank you for the information
13:17 “This is where they usually leave me sat in here for about three weeks 😢” 😂
I will let you a comment for every video I watch here and if it’s only “a comment for the algorithm”….
I love your videos about your daily work life and the explanations of what you are doing…
👋👍🇨🇭✌️
Thank you
Very interesting video. One further point of interest. @ 08:10 can be seen the remains of the former spur into Harrow Gas Works. Coal Trains used this spur ( built approx 1910 ) until taken out of use 1954.
Nice one!
Another great video, Dale. Many thanks. I was fascinated by the passage through the station on the wrong side. A bit like driving on the wrong side of the road. I felt a strange sense of relief when the points took you back onto the correct track 😂
I mean, the whole thing is obviously 100% safe and signalled accordingly, but as a car driver it was a brilliant experience to ride with you down the wrong platform. Great stuff.
Just got here, and subscribed.
I'm always up for a cab ride, so thanks for doing this!
4:40 is interesting, a center siding, so they open both points to act as a derail. Never saw that before, pretty clever.
I'm in the US, but spend a lot of time watching British rails.
It’s great to have you with us
Enjoyable video from one of the not normal traffic runs. Thank's a lot.
D: "now we're off"
me: "Why do you smell?" 🤣🤣 That was quick fire!
Nice insight. I used to travel between Acton Town and Uxbridge when studying at Uxbridge College and would often see Piccadilly Line trains in the sidings at Rayners Lane on occasions when I had to change trains there if I wasn’t on a through train to Uxbridge.
Thank you
As a kid my parents lived at Eastcote, so I often saw Rayners Lane when we went to London. I remember the Metropolitan trains went off to the left and the Piccadilly trains to the right. Between the Met line and the Picadilly line junction, there was a third line that was rusty and disappeared into the undergrowth. I never knew where that line went. Obviously it was removed long ago.
All that was a long time ago - there were four wheel coal wagons in the coal yard then - each station had a coal merchant in those days.
I used to enjoy doing these workings. On the mainline, they were usually ECS and/or depot moves late at night. Tested your route knowledge to the hilt. Provided you knew what could come up in terms of surprises, and you were signed off for any workings they choose, you would be fine. Tea and biscuits if you didn't because you could quite easily have been found out. More of a test of you rather than the points and infrastructure.
Hi, you've earned yourself a new subscriber, nice video. Greetings from Germany! 👍
It’s great to have you with us
I have become a real train nut now and have been watching all the clips you have put up. Also booked for around this time next year to visit to London and Europe, so will make the London Underground Museum a must while we are there on a free day.
Also now watching the ride along with the Aussie routes (Cab ride alongs}...as for the map someone has asked you put up...I already follow along between the rail maps and also Google Maps. I have it on a second screen so can browse ahead and still enjoy the fact that I know station is next and now would have no problems getting around London.
Appears the Aussie train rules and lights are slightly different and note that the Aussies have some very long straight tracks which must be a joy to travel as I see them reach 115kph. Bit scary when you have such a heavy train steel on steel.
As ever a great commentary and get to learn a bit more each time. Thank you and cannot wait till your next clip.
Thank you I am glad you enjoy my videos
Makes perfect sense, thanks Dale
Really great video. I'm a freight driver and I grew up in South Harrow, so all of these places are very familiar to me. It's surprising how similar your work is to ours, although the brakes and acceleration by comparison are incredible.
We are some what lighter than the average freight train 🤣
Amazing ! So interesting, thank you so much ! London fantastic wonderful city with an incredible, efficient and green tube and general transportation system!!! London always in my heart
This is awsome sir. Cool stuff Thank you for showing how the underground 🚇 works. I love the London Underground it's soo old like the NYC Subway system
Thank you very much for giving interested people an insight into the procedures of the London Underground.
Very interesting, Thanks.
Great vids, TFL staff are all great and we all appreciate your commitment to providing service. Thanks
Thank you. I appreciate it
Bloody brilliant! I LOVE watching your videos and listening to your relaxed, easy style of commentary! Long may you continue with these and don't let the naysayers get you down. They are only jealous because they don't have such an interesting job as yours! All the best 😊
Here here if I was a bit younger
Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it
Thank you Dale all the information you give is very interesting. I look forward to your next post
Thanks for the fascinating insight into what is a much more complex workplace than I ever imagined.
Thanks for this. This was amazing. Please do more.
Your videos are great. I am mad on the Underground and love to be a tube driver myself... Only bit of TrainSimWorld I play is the Bakerloo line even started to build a cabdesk for the game in my study.
Only just started watching your videos, and am loving them, thank you so much for sharing. Do you think there is a way to have another camera showing the controls etc? That would be so cool.