@@DatFatThor This case it's different, F-5C has two dinky little engines and only 10G rear-aspect 9Es, while F-5E FCU has two decently strong engines and 4x all-aspect missiles, so a BR increase of just 0.3 is not enough. F-14A has strong engines and great missiles, and F-14B has a bit stronger engines and a tiny bit better missiles, so a 0.3 BR increase makes sense. Basically what I'm saying here is that the BR difference between F-5C and F-5E FCU should be greater than just 0.3
Love your videos man, you show real matches, with missing shots and bad luck included, not like those perfect matches where 99% of time everything goes perfectly.
What not many people know is that you also get EGGS which is a lead indicator for the guns when you lock on someone and are like closer than 1km from them its so good with that
Even in up tiers, it slaps been playing mine, and yesterday, I got 5 kills for 6 AIM-54s. Otherwise, it's normal 2 or 3 with 54s and 1 or 2 gun/9G kills even vs F-15A and those the 54s can slap them still
@@sniper321fire same, I’ve noticed it’s mainly the less experienced premium players that haven’t experienced the might (and surprise) of the aim-54 lol. And flying low doesn’t affect the radar tracking that much since that radar update a few weeks ago
@@Collat3ralD4mage yep 100m safe zone to like 60m so you have to fly tree level not tree top like before to avoid it so I been slapping a lot of people
It’s good in the hands of a professional, I on the other hand, with my several years playing, can hardly hit a thing before im shot out of the sky, missiles nearly always flared or fail to track
Meh , they I'm bad at the game but with the f5e fcu getting aces is actually easy once you start understanding how it's played , your are a third party player , you kill only when the enemy won't see you . Go and hf
its crazy to me that people would rather crash into the floor than die to another player. Gaijin should majorly up the repair costs for a crash to help with this. Specifically for ramming into the ground i am meaning. I see it so so often now.
You know what this sint too bad of an idea BUT then you get stupid teammates who force you into the ground at the start of the battle, kamikaze players and lag spikes which then all hive you massive sl losses.
Take a look at the j35xs it moved up to 11.3 with 6 pops of cm and no rae lol. Same but opposite woth grippen and mig 29g both having 6 irccm missiles and being able to downtiwr against mig23ml and f4s spam
i rarely get downtiers at 11.3, more like 75% to 80% uptiers to 12.0 or 12.3 Therefore it wouldnt make such a difference for me, since i would face alot of All Aspects and SARH Missiles. BUt it beeing the same BR as a JA35XS is total Bollocks. And yeah there is something odd going on with IR Missiles currently going total off course for no reason every now and then or going after another missile not even close to the center of the seeker head.
the f-4e could be fitted with an f-4j radar and furthermore all variants of the aim9. The reason why it doesn't launch the aim9x was being retired before it's introduction.
@@doldie5704 honestly yea if you don’t have magics then f104 is pretty good cause you can still dodge a mig21f’s front aspect missile or am I think of wrong aircraft?
Funny thing is MiG-23MLs are still 11.7 which is stupidly OP, and J-7E is same 11.0 with F-5E and also F-5C is 11.0 too while J35XS and Kfir Canard is in 11.3. Yeap, Gaijin, you succeed once more to RUIN the BR system, again.
@@kizvy It's only "okay" as far as ballistics go, the damage is very inconsistent, and you only get 60 rounds, meaning you need to have extremely precise aim to make more than two gun kills without reloading. The gun used to compensate for low ammo with its one-tap potential, but realshitter crippled it and it never fully recovered. Compare that to F-5's guns that let you simply spray the target until it dies, and if you're precise, you can easily wipe out 5+ enemies with your guns, provided you get the opportunity.
This is the best plane Japan has above 9.0. And if this is the one plane that is skewed a bit more op then let Japan have its fun with a squadron vehicle. If this stayed 11.0 then it would be a bit too good. 11.3 is fair for this plane imo. I can admit that it has much better weaponry than other F5 ease at a very similar battle rating, but your video proves that even with the extra missiles, the best weapon is still the guns. There is a python 3 sweet spot from 2-1.5 km where flaring is less than 50%, but if you are outside of that then it’s still one flare to defeat all of your missiles. I wonder if this plane opens the door for future F5E upgrades, we could also get the SCU with aam4s! That could be interesting. Imagine and F5 @ 12.7!
It is the same br as the JA37C which is fair bcs that plane got radar missiles and a cracked flight performance. I think the reason this didnt go up to much is because it doesn't get radar missiles and is fairly slow.
its funny to me because the jh-7a, a plane with roughly the same missile set and the only real advantage being it can go over mach 1 on the deck is 12.3, a whole br above the fcu when the fcu is arguably better in a dogfight with much better guns.
The f5c, f5e, and the Chinese f5a are all at the same br. I'm not sure about the american f5a tho. Regardless the f5e fcu should definitely be at 11.7.
I'd rather have this stay at 11.3 than suffer the same fate the Sea Harrier FRS.1 did being moved to 11.7. it's absolutely criminal that the F-14A is at 12.3
@@patjenkins1308the maps get bigger the higher the br and the toptier maps are designed for planes wich go mach 1.1-1.2 and not for planes wich can go 660km/h
Hey, can you pls tell me whitch setting allows you to see the exact type of aircraft? For example the A-10 shows up as A-10 (E) at 1:43, for me it would only show A-10 in my game? So you never know whitch version you are fighting. Thx for any hints.
@@leonwesterlund3 you sure it is only that, I have mostly lvl 75 expert crews, some even ace. I never see the difference in the A-10's as example. It just says A-10.
RTX4070 Super w/i7 9700k (soon to be upgraded) All settings are on max, running no anti aliasing. Getting usually around 150fps, give or take depending on the map.
Did they make the missiles just, not work half of the time ? No proxy, weird tracks, going for flares when they shouldn't ? Is this how they band-aid fix top tier ? Am i crazy ?
why is the absolute state of war thunder jet players at premium br so depressing. 2 of those J35s didnt even do anything except ruin other ppls fun through their own incompetence lmao
Hey instead of complaining about this vehicle how about you guys actually look at the ones that are absolutely shitting on others. Kind of like the F104A thats at the exact same BR as the Ariete.
The F-5C *SHOULD NOT* have gone to 11.0. 10.7? Ok fine, but not 11.0. Because Aim-9e at 11.0 is actual trash. And the problem with the 5c is that is weaker in engine power than all the other F-5’s (except maybe the A, which also should not have gone to 11.0) meaning the moment you strap the lightest of loads to that things belly it’s like strapping a bus to it and the performance Suffers greatly. I can understand moving up the 5E and such but the 5C and 5A did not deserve this.
![IF I KILL YOU MY MISSILES GET BETTER (worst to best overload) [RADAR VERSION]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FwFHfsdgXms/mqdefault.jpg)
Me when the jet that has 4x all-aspect missiles and upgraded engines instead of just 2x rear-aspect ones and 2x weak engines is only 0.3 BR higher
So the F14B and F14A?
You mean f5c should be 0.3 br lower?
Engine upgrade? I thought it had the same F5E engines
@@DatFatThor This case it's different, F-5C has two dinky little engines and only 10G rear-aspect 9Es, while F-5E FCU has two decently strong engines and 4x all-aspect missiles, so a BR increase of just 0.3 is not enough. F-14A has strong engines and great missiles, and F-14B has a bit stronger engines and a tiny bit better missiles, so a 0.3 BR increase makes sense. Basically what I'm saying here is that the BR difference between F-5C and F-5E FCU should be greater than just 0.3
Upgraded engines? It's same as f5 at 10.7
and now its the same BR as the F-5E with 2x AIM-9Js..
It is not at 11.0 in arb
That's 11.0 this is 11.3 but for some reason the F-5C and F-5E are the same br both at 11.0
The real gag is the 5c and 5f are the SAME BR.
Makes no sense considering the 5C has horrendous missiles and worse engines
Right.. or the 14A and 29G being the same BR...
@gforce_117 No, they aren't F-14A is 12.3 and MiG-29G is 13.0
@@gforce_117 Except the F14A is 12.3 and the MiG29 G is 13.0?
@@rushbidiot7701 when I looked yesterday or the day before the German ones were 12.0/12.3. Rb. Russian ones were higher tho
F-5e fcu at same br at XS which got nerfed 10 updates in a row
Love your videos man, you show real matches, with missing shots and bad luck included, not like those perfect matches where 99% of time everything goes perfectly.
5:00 It must have been the IRCM thing on the back of that Su-39
Yeah
What not many people know is that you also get EGGS which is a lead indicator for the guns when you lock on someone and are like closer than 1km from them its so good with that
The premium F5C kinda suffers at 11.0, considering the fact that the F5CU and the E are 11.0
it was first 11.3 then it got moved down to 11.0 now its 11.3 again
We as a community must respect and cherish all Bucky players, for they are a rare and dying breed.
The F-14A is also really good right now only downtiers
Even in up tiers, it slaps been playing mine, and yesterday, I got 5 kills for 6 AIM-54s. Otherwise, it's normal 2 or 3 with 54s and 1 or 2 gun/9G kills even vs F-15A and those the 54s can slap them still
@@sniper321fire same, I’ve noticed it’s mainly the less experienced premium players that haven’t experienced the might (and surprise) of the aim-54 lol. And flying low doesn’t affect the radar tracking that much since that radar update a few weeks ago
@@Collat3ralD4mage yep 100m safe zone to like 60m so you have to fly tree level not tree top like before to avoid it so I been slapping a lot of people
War Thunder players are all Pigeons with 360 degree monitor setups.
It’s the same BR as the sea harrier
You should mention that the aim9p4's literally do have the aim9L seeker to they'll also have some decent flare resistance
They don't 😢
@@rangas622 Yes they do.
aim 9l seeker and aim 9p4 seeker:
"irSeeker": {
"rangeBand0": 11000.0,
"rangeBand1": 3000.0,
"rangeBand2": 11000.0,
"rangeBand3": 11000.0,
"rangeBand7": 6000.0,
"rangeMax": 11000.0,
"fov": 3.6,
"minAngleToSun": 10.0,
"lockAngleMax": 40.0,
"angleMax": 45.0,
"rateMax": 22.0,
"prolongationTimeMax": 1.0,
"designationSourceTypeMask": 38,
"constantDesignationSourceTypeMask": 6
I got constant uptiers and lobbies full of F-14 in my stock grind xD
It’s good in the hands of a professional, I on the other hand, with my several years playing, can hardly hit a thing before im shot out of the sky, missiles nearly always flared or fail to track
Meh , they I'm bad at the game but with the f5e fcu getting aces is actually easy once you start understanding how it's played , your are a third party player , you kill only when the enemy won't see you .
Go and hf
This is my main plane, I definitely ain't complaining about this at all
You did it 50k before the end of the year ❤
its crazy to me that people would rather crash into the floor than die to another player. Gaijin should majorly up the repair costs for a crash to help with this. Specifically for ramming into the ground i am meaning. I see it so so often now.
It explains that people are cowards in real life and it shows up ingame hahaha
' specifically for ramming '
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You know what this sint too bad of an idea BUT then you get stupid teammates who force you into the ground at the start of the battle, kamikaze players and lag spikes which then all hive you massive sl losses.
Just no
@@AlRizz187 and at top tier at least 2 people in my team ( me too ) die when trying to multipath a missile.
Planes to use when you are fresh out of skill:
F8U, any F5, mig23ML, Kfir Canard.
F5c not anymore too much uptier and useless against Radar missile like f14
@@SteffenCHerry how can you meet F14 (12.3) in F5C/E (11.0) ? played 10 matches yesterday EU servers - did not meet any.
@@did00p you cant, matches are
1.0 higher only
Recently got my first 10 and 10.3 jets and this jet is part of why I hate every second of it. The balancing is absent.
Take a look at the j35xs it moved up to 11.3 with 6 pops of cm and no rae lol. Same but opposite woth grippen and mig 29g both having 6 irccm missiles and being able to downtiwr against mig23ml and f4s spam
Gaijin spread top tier and not fuck up challenge: Impossible
i rarely get downtiers at 11.3, more like 75% to 80% uptiers to 12.0 or 12.3
Therefore it wouldnt make such a difference for me, since i would face alot of All Aspects and SARH Missiles. BUt it beeing the same BR as a JA35XS is total Bollocks.
And yeah there is something odd going on with IR Missiles currently going total off course for no reason every now and then or going after another missile not even close to the center of the seeker head.
Well look wat happened gaijin make your mind up
they need to add air maneuver kills
Meanwhile the F-4EJ sits at the same BR and gets shafted every match
Gaijin doesn’t know the difference between AIM-7E and E2DF. EJs are bad.
I hope the 9P4s show up in more aircraft eventually, maybe even the 9P5s at some point
Maybe eventual update for the 16AJ?
the f-4e could be fitted with an f-4j radar and furthermore all variants of the aim9. The reason why it doesn't launch the aim9x was being retired before it's introduction.
Recently realized 104 hasn’t moved an inch in BRs is pretty nice, can’t turn for crap but flying smart the thing is crazy unstoppable again
lol flying smart is just running away 90% of the game lol, that’s why I love the 104 cuz nothing can actually beat it but itself
@@potater6819 i love seeing those f104's running the whole game so i can throw an unflarable rear aspect magic 2 at them
@@doldie5704 honestly yea if you don’t have magics then f104 is pretty good cause you can still dodge a mig21f’s front aspect missile or am I think of wrong aircraft?
Funny thing is MiG-23MLs are still 11.7 which is stupidly OP, and J-7E is same 11.0 with F-5E and also F-5C is 11.0 too while J35XS and Kfir Canard is in 11.3.
Yeap, Gaijin, you succeed once more to RUIN the BR system, again.
Why is the f5c the same tier as the f5e
The only things that holds the f5cu is getting close quickly
Go play the J35xs with no rwr and faces f14s
how could you aim so well, i was a ground nerd, and recently just hop up to a jet, and it was terrible
I don’t aim well tbh, at least I feel like I don’t.
F5 is a pretty easy plane to aim with good guns, dont take it as the baseline
You get python 3s after a painful grind.
This thing is absolutely dirty in SIM
trueue
Bro look at the damn j7e 4 rack missile and nuts flight model at lower br lol😂
They're rear aspect only though, and the gun is absolutely awful, limiting the potential of the flight model
@@lunarcultist6214 the gun is amazing, wym
@@kizvy It's only "okay" as far as ballistics go, the damage is very inconsistent, and you only get 60 rounds, meaning you need to have extremely precise aim to make more than two gun kills without reloading. The gun used to compensate for low ammo with its one-tap potential, but realshitter crippled it and it never fully recovered.
Compare that to F-5's guns that let you simply spray the target until it dies, and if you're precise, you can easily wipe out 5+ enemies with your guns, provided you get the opportunity.
5 days ago from this comment, but not its at 11.7 sucks this video doesn't do much justice for this plane in such short amount of time.
This is the best plane Japan has above 9.0. And if this is the one plane that is skewed a bit more op then let Japan have its fun with a squadron vehicle. If this stayed 11.0 then it would be a bit too good.
11.3 is fair for this plane imo. I can admit that it has much better weaponry than other F5 ease at a very similar battle rating, but your video proves that even with the extra missiles, the best weapon is still the guns.
There is a python 3 sweet spot from 2-1.5 km where flaring is less than 50%, but if you are outside of that then it’s still one flare to defeat all of your missiles.
I wonder if this plane opens the door for future F5E upgrades, we could also get the SCU with aam4s! That could be interesting. Imagine and F5 @ 12.7!
It is the same br as the JA37C which is fair bcs that plane got radar missiles and a cracked flight performance. I think the reason this didnt go up to much is because it doesn't get radar missiles and is fairly slow.
French F8 is good now
Needs flares tbh
Make a video on the JA37C! It also is at 11.3
I love this plane but the thing is everyone is faster then you while you top only mach 1
For me the plane is right at the right spot now !! Before the decompression I was facing F-14 with it every f**king game, now things are ok !
@@alainjoyeux809 f14s are free kills an f5 wdym 😭
That may be true but it maintains Mach 1 in an 11g turn which no other aircraft really does.
You cant outrun anything in a straight line but you can pull them into a rate and leave at the same speed you entered, leaving them in the dust
@@Ziflinyou mean, F-14s are stupid. The MiG19PT is faster and turns/rates better than the f-5E lul.
its funny to me because the jh-7a, a plane with roughly the same missile set and the only real advantage being it can go over mach 1 on the deck is 12.3, a whole br above the fcu when the fcu is arguably better in a dogfight with much better guns.
We need a review of the f20 with this air rb
plane is a plane of plane yknow
The f5c, f5e, and the Chinese f5a are all at the same br. I'm not sure about the american f5a tho. Regardless the f5e fcu should definitely be at 11.7.
i am 50k away, please don't
can you do a video of the kikka
why every single 9.3 match i play its always a full uptier and sometimes even more
6:25 maverick got killed by mig-28
The crazy fact is that it can face f4c lol
Day 2 of asking Joob to play the A4E Early
I'd rather have this stay at 11.3 than suffer the same fate the Sea Harrier FRS.1 did being moved to 11.7.
it's absolutely criminal that the F-14A is at 12.3
Don’t tell them…. ☹️
Gaijin also forgot to change the map br's. You can now get the toptier Vietnam map in an A10 its so stupid
What difference does the map make? I've only played for a year so maybe I don't know
@@patjenkins1308the maps get bigger the higher the br and the toptier maps are designed for planes wich go mach 1.1-1.2 and not for planes wich can go 660km/h
It did go up in br...
by 0.3
Everything went up like .7-1.0 this when up .3
@@Starkogi I know, im not stupid xD
love your vids
Hey, can you pls tell me whitch setting allows you to see the exact type of aircraft? For example the A-10 shows up as A-10 (E) at 1:43, for me it would only show A-10 in my game? So you never know whitch version you are fighting. Thx for any hints.
You have to be closer, crew skills also change it
@@leonwesterlund3 you sure it is only that, I have mostly lvl 75 expert crews, some even ace. I never see the difference in the A-10's as example. It just says A-10.
can someone give me one good reason why crashing on purpose to deny kills shouldnt give some sort of temporary ban or matchmaking cooldown
Your game looks 10x better than mine can you do settings video or atleast write it for me?
RTX4070 Super w/i7 9700k (soon to be upgraded)
All settings are on max, running no anti aliasing. Getting usually around 150fps, give or take depending on the map.
Hello joob 😮
Did they make the missiles just, not work half of the time ? No proxy, weird tracks, going for flares when they shouldn't ?
Is this how they band-aid fix top tier ? Am i crazy ?
Do you not like the radar gunsight? I feel like it is not always accurate.
Did you stock grind it?
This plane is fine where it is
Just because japan gets something nice doesnt mean it needs to move up, try playing things like the T2 or F1
A re upload?
Amazing. Fortnite upload soon?
one can only hope
Reupload?
why is the absolute state of war thunder jet players at premium br so depressing.
2 of those J35s didnt even do anything except ruin other ppls fun through their own incompetence lmao
can you play the mig 29 smt please?
That’s cool and all but all the phantoms need to go down 0.3 BR minimum. Why can they fight Gripens, Magic 2s, and F-15s?!
With the current way multipathing works, the PD phantoms are at the right BR. Stuff like the C is a complete joke though same with the EJ Kai
@@philips0905just factually wrong.
@@TabiTheCat Then give me your facts
I’ve only got 100k left on it. Is it worth it?
Yes
Sea Harrier is 11.3 wtf
mazing
how does this justify being at 11.3 when the event kfir C2 is at 11.7 with only TWO pythons
Sup
Hey instead of complaining about this vehicle how about you guys actually look at the ones that are absolutely shitting on others. Kind of like the F104A thats at the exact same BR as the Ariete.
The F-5C *SHOULD NOT* have gone to 11.0. 10.7? Ok fine, but not 11.0. Because Aim-9e at 11.0 is actual trash. And the problem with the 5c is that is weaker in engine power than all the other F-5’s (except maybe the A, which also should not have gone to 11.0) meaning the moment you strap the lightest of loads to that things belly it’s like strapping a bus to it and the performance Suffers greatly. I can understand moving up the 5E and such but the 5C and 5A did not deserve this.
Just dont stick bombs to it man 😂
shazam
no i hate it
Silly Thai fighter that cant have a consistent BR lmfao