Who is Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug? | Michael Malice and Lex Fridman
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This take from Lex reminds me of so many people in society. Smart enough to see everything that is wrong, yet naive enough to believe that it is ok/normal. Truly sad.
That's his whole shtick. He's a surface level pseudo-intellectual. But people eat it up because he talks about UFOs a lot.
Its nice to see our tax dollars so hard at work maintaining The Overton Window.
@@doodooswaggy3825you think Lex an engineer for MIT that’s been responsible for helping develop autonomous robots and driving capabilities as a surface level pseudo-intellectual?? That’s pretty rich coming from a random in a UA-cam comment pretty sure he’s done more for the academic space than either of us ever will do tbh I just think it’s hilarious that I see takes like this every now and again.
@@flexxluthorr_8941Don't feed the basement troll.
@@flexxluthorr_8941 "you think Lex an engineer for MIT that’s been responsible for helping develop autonomous robots and driving capabilities as a surface level pseudo-intellectual??" Yes. How does having an engineering background, even a great one, makes you an intellectual? We're talking about his analysis of society, politics, philosophy, etc, not whether he can design how a robot walks
Lex kinda does Yarvin dirty on this episode. He really should sit down with him.
Yeah, maybe. I was close to putting that in the comments. If Yarvin was truly 'careless' to Lex it's probably because he can be. He can adjust a perspective or statement in realtime faster than most. Lex has to be overly careful only because he's less fluent in some subjects, and a mistake will run him off the road. Yarvin doesn't have that concern. The other main difference between them is Yarvin's continual amused, sometimes cavalier attitude, and Lex is so into heartfelt sincerity. The robot is still working on his humor.
@@christopherprim1973 well put
@@christopherprim1973 And his heartfelt sincerity, while genuine at root, is way too much of a self-deluding front for him to ever be the woke polymath he pretends he is becoming. His false humility is rather sickening too. Malice showed real restraint. I honestly think Malice would call Lex a midwit if he didn't desire the exposure Fridman's podcast provides. Lex was dishing small brain, cowardly, passive aggressive shade at Malice here. Pretty repulsive.
@@cscran You mean at Moldbug? I watched the original podcast but not all of this clip. Lex is a smart guy, but he's young and dumb. Can't help it. I think the racism thing is off, but then David Starkey felt like he had to apologize for his remarks ('damn blacks' set people off, haha... I have no idea what Yarvin ever said that was racist. Some people haven't caught up to how full of it the 'grievance studies' crap is.
@@christopherprim1973 Damn, you're on point in this thread. Well said.
Lex is sitting on a playground staring up at the sky for recognizable shaped clouds, Moldbug is in a lab building high powered telescopes to monitor the galaxy and chart pathways of distant meteoroids.
You weren't turned off by carelessness, you were turned off by a smear.
Curtis is a guy with a lot to say. I know this because he talked over Tim Dillon the entire show 😂
The amazing thing is that interview was Curtis dumbing himself down. When he starts getting into the religious history of the English-speaking world, that's where he starts dropping some really uncomfortable truths.
To be honest though, Tim Dillon is somebody fit for being talked over
That sounds like the best Tim Dillon show that exists.
Most of Lex’s take is based on uncharitable mind reading
That's exactly what came to my mind, too! Uncharitable
It's sad that such great minds as Lex and Eric Weinstein, being fully aware of the juvenility of cancel culture, will zoom in on one very slightly controversial claim on this guys Wikipedia page as a reason to dismiss even talking to him at all.... talk about blind spots.
@@Sam-go3mb I don't believe it is a blind spot for Eric, I think Eric is desperately trying to hold the status quo together because he benefits from it, I think he knows Yarvin is right but wants to keep as many other people away from coming to that realization as possible. I don't trust Eric in the least.
@@flacjacket Don't think I agree. How does Eric benefit from the status quo? He's constantly railing against the democratic party, ivy league universities, mainstream media, the entire science establishment etc. And what does he get for it? Being a lifelong liberal smeared as alt-right.
I think he just thinks Curtis is a troll, and doesn't realize the depth and sincerity of the man.
most of his guests share his ethnicity also... kind of a nepotist
3:14 Nuance & Radioactivity with Society
4:35 The R Word Stop Sign
6:33 Aristotle, Safety Vs Freedom, Freedom & Responsibility
7:48 "Controversial Opinions" 8:50 Platforming Loud People over Thoughtful People
11:00 Getting a Good Point out of a Discussion
Seek Out Primary Sources over 3rd Party
13:48 Ridiculous People, Grey Area, Carelessness
15:48 W???????
I was *shocked* to finally listen to Curtis Yarvin. I was avoiding him for the longest time cause he's seemingly this evil Snape type figure who's going to whisper evils you wish you'd never heard and undermine your sweet naive world forever BWAHAHAHA!!!
Then I finally heard some of his podcasts --- this is a well spoken, cheerful, incredibly knowledgeable guy who doesn't take things too seriously, is always joking and jovial, and compared to much of what you hear today, very optimistic.
He's not dark _at all_
Such a weird disconnect between brand and reality.
I agree. I think it has to do more with acceptable discourse like Michael mentions. One should be able to read his ideas and shrug him off if those ideas arent their cup of tea. This is someone who seems to have no interest in having power over people and has generally been a straw man for blue pilled people who think downstream of his ideas are neo nazis
When you get down to what Yarvin is saying is simply "democracy is probably a sham system" and people seemed to have spun an elaborate narrative of him being this evil maniacal beastman.
Funnily enough, it proves his point on the cathedral when they do that.
Now have a listen to Jared Taylor. I've listened to a lot of his videos and I find him unimpeachable. He's not in the slightest bit hateful and most of the opinions I've heard from him are probably held by a majority of people.
I have mixed feelings. I really like him. I don't think he should be shunned and the idea of yarvin as a boogeyman is ludicrous but if I'm being fair, the ideas that he promotes seem reasonable coming from him. His ideas in the hands of a much dumber person would be an absolute nightmare.
@Michael Fox Yarvin is a *mischling*? QED
Definitely have Yarvin on the show that would be excellent. Eric Weinstein is another one who desperately needs to talk to him
Especially as he's supported by Peter Thiel, Weinstein's boss.
That would probably blow Weinsteins grift to bits.
BUt they would need a translator. Both talk about the same thing, but use different words for them, like Cathedral (Moldbug) vs DISC (Eric) or erics notion of all institutions are lying wich is part of yarvins concept of the clear pill
Weinstein is disingenuous
@@Failofsociety You do realize Weinstein is just repackaging Moldbug ca. 2009 for a leftist audience, with some amount of dishonesty? Everything controversial that Weinstein has said (outside of nische scientific turf-wars) has been said earlier and better by Moldbug.
I felt my eyes go bright reading Moldbug. He told me a lot of things that I was thinking but was unable to articulate and formulate myself.
Nick Land’s (while I don’t agree with everything he says) reply to Moldbug’s open letter has a strange ability to completely ring true on many points well before both of their time of writing.
@@Mattdotnfo Yep it’s also class!
@@Mattdotnfois this as a post or you mean his entire commentary on Yarvin? Would appreciate a link if it’s the former.
It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere ~ Voltaire
This is hilarious. Lex is being more weaselly than Michael.
How embarrassing for him to be such a bad gatekeeper.
He’s jewish of course he’s being a weasel
@-MR-PoPo- am I wrong? The tiny hat tribes are the biggest weasels ever
Lex is so concerned with being thoughtful and nuanced that he doesn't seem capable of an opinion on anything. It's a very annoying characteristic.
On point!
I didn't realize this until you said it
It's his job bro
I’ve noticed that too. I like Lex but this aspect of him is lame
You are right. It's a personality type. You shouldn't expect everyone to express themselves in the same way. Though I understand your feeling, I think it is misguided.
Why are you letting Wikipedia do your thinking for you. Go read what he said and judge for yourself
There’s a difference between not being careless, and being overly careful. Yarvin certainly isn’t careless
"I can't discuss most things with you because you're not interested in having a conversation you're interested in your emotional response." @8:20 Right on.
Wikipedia is the absolute worse place to get information on people.
Wikipedia is a leftists hell hole
Do you have a source on that?
A Wikipedia article completely sidetracked Lex; shoddy foundation.
It’s absurd to say Curtis thinks carelessly.
I was excited to see Lex talk about Curtis, but it was basically "but wikipedia says he's a racist". :(
Exactly. Moldbug is a vast resource. He's a genius, a foremost literary genius of our time. And it's just: "Snopes says he's waaaaycist"
@@ataraxia7439
He's originally making the point that the reason different races respond to slavery conditions differently is probably evolutionary.
Wikipedia editors will make it seem like he's implying black people belong in the cotton fields... It's not worth going over such nonsense. Curtis' important work has barely anything to do with race anyway.
@@ataraxia7439 For example he has a whole essay called "Why I'm Not A White Nationalist" and another called "Why I Am Not An Anti-semite". Moldbug himself is Jewish, Jewish extraction.
@@moomoocowsly it would be better if Lex focused on Moldbug’s neo reaction and dark enlightenment ideas
@@moomoocowsly He then said that, regardless, he doesn't want anything to do with someone "careless" enough to be labeled racist.
Really lame virtue signalling.
Fridman seems to me very worried to maintain his credibility, Yarvin would be a problematic character more difficult to handle than Malice. Understandably stays away.
He publicly stated he won't even read him, based on reputation. Fridman is an intellectual coward and a passive aggressive narcissist.
@@cscran I'm not so harsh. He doesn't feel like to delve into Yarvin so better not to, instead of being confrontational
He’s afraid he’ll agree with him
This is a big scar on Lex's record.. but at least talks to Pharma execs and Zuck. 🤯
I'm glad Lex keeps having Malice on because apparently he wouldn't feel "safe" with Curtis Yarvin or Alex Jones lol!
I guess we shouldn't read Aristotle because he made an argument for slavery.
We have fallen far far far away from Socrates and what he believed
11:55 "he's not ultra careful... to uh..."
the term you're looking for Lex, is "self censor"
Re Milo: Lex hasn’t heard of Charles Murray.
I would love to see Lex talk with Moldbug
Lex reading from Wikipedia, what a great researcher
I enjoyed Curtis on Tim Dillon’s show. Have him on Lex.
That was the worst episode ever the dude is an ignorant narcissist and horrible story teller
Lex is terrified of being cancelled
Lex, moralizing so much about someone who haven't familiarized yourself with is... ironically not so moral.
1) There is a layer of eg. irony, metacognition, pathos and eg realism ("this happened, it's tragic, doesn't mean it's right, we might aswell make a joke") to Moldbug's commentary.
2) There is a whole array of approprate strategies for communication. Horses for courses.
3) Moldbug is *mild* (despite being an absolute monarchist, he makes the case for that very clear). As Malice said, the flippant comments act as a kind of filter. They don't represent beliefs or propositions.
@Michael Fox I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere, but I didn't find it. Science and Materialism Bless You.
@@gearoidwalsh8606 both science and materialism are contingent on the immaterial. But even then, Moldbug is a materialist...thats perhaps my only criticism of him.
@@eldenlean5221 It's a legitimate criticism as the qualifier of absolute monarchy is ultimately developmental, and development is ultimately spiritual.
Moldbug does talk about "extropy" as opposed to entropy, so at the very least he understands the echo of it.
I'm not sure if the nu atheist guy I was replying to here with deleted his comment.
"DoEs cUrtIs YaRvIn eVeN CaRe AboUt loVe?" - Lex probably
Just read Moldbug’s open letter a few months ago. Was pretty mind blowing.
Lex is such a normie. Curious which is great, but a normie. Desperate to be accepted by the horde.
So you can cite IQ studies by race, that even when equalized for socioeconomic status show some races above others, people are just gonna conveniently ignore the science then???
What studies are you on about? Twin studies? Because studies aren’t equalised for SES amongst adults. I mean, the whole “race realist” point is that SES itself is a proxy for IQ ergo downstream of IQ
it goes against the ideology of equality. everyone must be treated the same. sickening, isn't it? when truth is an enemy to belief?
What is your source on this?
Imagine trying to structure your life based on what Twitter thinks.
“This Wikipedia article means nothing to me…” then proceeds to use it as the basis of his rationalizations for avoiding Moldbug at all costs.
This was just 15 minutes of Lex saying he cares more about clout than interesting ideas
Lex who is blue pill calls Yarvin who is actually red pill, Black pill.🤦♂️
The JOKER speaks of the RIDDLER.
Yarvin is actually the biggest political genius of this century.
Maybe not the biggest but he's certainly in their company.
If you want to delve deep, you have to be ready to get dirty. Yarvin and Michael are among those who have. Lex and EW are on the border looking at the muddy pool, tempted by Micheal who's merrily rolling in the mud but still afraid to look like warthogs in the eyes of the other gazelles. Hopefully they'll both gather some courage and dive in.
Yarvin is an accurate historian, and we cant have that in Pol Pot world.
This comment deserves a few thousand more upvotes. And some likes too.
I undoubtedly agree that some people are born to be slaves. It's very convenient for people to put on their own shackles and not take any iota of responsibility for their lives.
I know many "victims" that enjoy being in an incessant envious state of mind and blame everybody else for their lack of wise choices.
Narcissism
10:46
"Not saying something out of fear is at the core of many of the problems of the world today." Lex Fridman
I like that Malice is willing to acknowledge himself as smart. Putting on a show of being humble is one of the most absurd monkey dances of the modern world. If you actually are relatively free of ego, you can say how you see yourself as an observation regardless of judgment as positive or negative.
Malice does a little more than just say he is smary. He revels in it like its only trait worth appreciating. He's perpetually the smartest kid in 8th grade.
There are many who pretend to be intelligent while ignoring all of their own flaws.
Arrogance means having a mistaken idea of your capabilities. With narcissism on the rise, we immediately associate it with overestimating your capabilities, but selling yourself short is also arrogant.
Its not an easy task to be truly humble, it requires a lot of honest introspection and even then its still pretty difficult to have a clear view of where you actually stand.
You sound insufferable
Thinking anarchy could ever work is not smart.
Personally a big fan of Yarvin but I can see why you might not want him on the show. He's not for everybody. That said, I'd love to see it.
“Children do not have the cognitive defenses to guard against idea pathogens or mind parasites.” -Saad
I think you do though Lex huh?
Lex's cowardice is impressive.
Imagine doing all he has and still being a slave to the pathetic (and very striver) terror your social circle might unfriend you.
Perhaps he’s being safe because being free is too dangerous.
He’s a coward because he doesn’t feel like jumping balls deep into an ideology without fully understanding it ?
I finally was moved to crack open UR and read an Open Letter to an Open Minded Progressive. Thanks Michael.
The idea of Yarvin NOT being nuanced or articulate is... like... what?? Careless about his words?? The guy makes some jokes here and there, but I can't even recall any especially offensive ones.
Lex should really apologise for being so off point related to Yarvin.
Lex isn't even close to deserving Moldbug, not intellectually and definitely not morally.
@Wanker Wanker
hahahahahahahaha
@Wanker Wanker
*I laugh because you're funny.*
Ok tbf Yarvin is quite on the spectrum and could be quite insufferable as a guest. He has interesting things to say, but it doesn't seem he would effing stop talking over the host even not allowing the host to finish a single sentence/idea/question, based on his latest appearence on Tim Dillon's podcast. It's really a pity
Lex is more concerned about being polite than getting to the truth. This is why his show is so damn dull.
Yeah which ironically makes it a good podcast to fall asleep too
I don't recall Taylor ever saying one group was better than another.
It was funny watching Lex to use anonymous Wiki commentary as a reason to avoid any crimethink and thus get canceled. Very good. Stay away from controversies.
Wiki powermods are leftists
He should unironnically have Steve sailed on the show
Why not Alex Jones? That’s sad. Maybe he has something compelling to say. Just maybe he’s right sometimes. And if you disagree you can challenge him.
Malice mirroring Fridman with the white on black 😂
One should read an author’s actual words as opposed to their wikipedia page.
His books pretty cool honestly, don’t agree with it but a fresh look at monarchism is fascinating.
Wasn't Yarvin a programmer? I think, Lex and Curtis would have a lot in common from an intellectual perspective.
He says he thinks like a computer programmer also when analyzyng societal and political issues. Trying to get to the source, the origin, see where things really came from and how they got to their present state. Really interesting perspective.
just stating the simple truth that races have differences is now racist.
Lex is extremely insecure.
The only time I’ve read Yarvin write something “edgy” about race was in one of his UR posts where he tongue-in-cheek suggests we offer descendants of slaves a free one way ticket to Africa. Or it was something similar to that sentiment.
which we should...
@@spencer5028 based
LF is the epitome of a very smart technical guy who has mistaken his own "technical brilliance" for an encompassing philosophical intelligence (that he doesn't possess IMO) which he then uses to dismiss any concept that doesn't pass through his cursory examination of it. That and I can't stand listening to him talk....it's like aural Valium. I have tried to listening to him twice before in much longer videos....this will be the last time I try.
2x speed my friend, 2x speed
He is a smart nerd, but an awful podcast host.
Hasn't the whole IDW been declared suppressive persons by Wikipedia, but Lex talks to them a lot 🙄
Lex is struggling to articulate the principle of 'Right Speech' in the Eightfold Path
Lex was pretty uncharitable here.
Yarvin on this podcast would be tedious, Lex is nearly a perfect archetypal 'universalist' that Yarvin describes
Michael Malice, keep it up.
😂😂FOUND ONE!
avoiding to say something because you are careful about what it will do... umm... yah... thats called fear buddy!
Did Malice say he blocks people who win arguments against his audience wth?
Fridman glows in the dark.
Lex, no one is making a historical documentary about you. I think you have to be at least middlingly interesting to get one of those.
When you really pop the hood on it, someone who says "I'm not a racist" usually means "racism is correct". The comments on this video drive that point home hard. Don't @ me.
@JC Denton Wow, you got me. I'll let you get back to your skull calipers.
When you really think about it, someone who can hear dogwhistles is a dog.
That episode was far and away the best podcast I've ever seen.
Lex has been exposed as an NPC
Mentioning that not everyone who’s been called racist is actually racist....is racist. 👍🏼
Racist.
Lex believes AI replaces human consciousness. That means his idea of communicating is adhesive to a whole, idealism of himself.
The knowing before you speak is a nod to top-down planners.
Moldbug leaves no word or phrase unturned
Lex doesn’t like Yarvin because he isn’t politically correct? Lmao
Man, moldbug convo with lex would be amazing
Yarvin would benefit from a speaking coach, he tends to meander and his speech is too littered with fillers.
Lex is a stooge of the Cathedral.
starting to feel that way myself. though he's always been hit or miss with me.
What is the Cathedral ?
@@chriskosmas6767 5.15min - 6.15min
ua-cam.com/video/041XO2PpasY/v-deo.html
@@chriskosmas6767 the university-media complex of blue pill hegemony, in Yarvin's parlance.
Yo Curtis was just on Tim Dillon and it was awesome
Ehhhh, he read a Wikipedia article…..
Michael is just objectively quicker and more intelligent than Lez, so imagine if Lex tried speaking to Yarvin.
Lex is probably more intelligent, he’s just not versed on the topic nor is he articulate since English isn’t his first language
@@ezeket7482 good points
Lex is complaining about careless words and this video ends with him joking about Michael and him starting a suicide cult.
Have no knowledge of Yarvin, but Lex you sounding a little bit basic coward here - would love to hear them talk!
IQ is the best predictor of success in life. It is cynical to say that having a low IQ makes doesn't make one inferior in a significant way.
And what are the other factors that generally accompany high IQ (which also link with later success)? Do you know them?
Nassim Taleb debunked IQ as a predictor of life success
Lex is a follower not a leader. He eludes to this many times in this conversation.
Additionally, the critiques he levies are very weak. He wants to play devils advocate but has very little conceptual understanding of the topic being discussed.
#release the hidden tapes
Black suit black tie White Suit white tie
Spy vs Spy
14:45 Michael would make Eric's head explode. It would be a day long-remembered.
How fun… black and white out fits. Honesty and humor.
This is great. We need more of these conversations in this era of PC ...
I believe in in Lex. And I can't help believe that maybe I don't want him to incorporate that reality into his software. And idk what that says about me. God Bless Malice.
Is Michael doing some joke about Lex with that suit? I can only hope
No topic of conversation should be a 3rd rail in a free country.