A Most Inauthentic Portrayal of Musketry
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2018
- NOTE: At one point in this video I mention lever-action rifles, but I show a Martini-Henry image. The Martini-Henry is not actually a lever-action, but a falling-block rifle. I had incorrectly assumed that the requirements for a rifle to be a 'lever action' were more literal- as in, that it used a lever! This is not the case, as lever action rifles are generally repeating, whereas falling block rifles see individual rounds chambered.
This is a video that I've wanted to make for some time, but unfortunately, I had to wait until the highly political topic which the source material discusses was less 'relevant,' lest my pedantic corrections be considered grossly inappropriate or offensive. That said, this commercial by the organization "States United to End Gun Violence," features a musket being used in a criminal nature to provide a social commentary on American legislation. However, the manner in which the musket is portrayed and used in this commercial has a few problems, which I thought it would be fun to discuss here.
This is not a political video, and at no point do I express my own views on this highly contentious issue. Please treat it as what it is- historical nitpicking.
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Mistake no. 1 - not fixing bayonet before hand. Could've easily finished the job.
lalucre1803 The bayonet could snap or become stuck in a rib cage, I much more prefer carrying a gatling gun into the room and showing those darn taxman what for with a good old crank
"carrying"
A shovel or a long sword would be preferable to a bayonet honestly
@@voszvaivaldtkosikovok6369
Have you ever tried fixing a shovel to your firearm?
@@klobiforpresident2254 I have seen some reddit posts that make me able to say definitely that there are in fact shovel bayonets and they are great
solution to gun violence is to legalise dueling.
And if you refused a duel?
Melon Lord S H A M E!!!
I'm more going off the fact that during the age of dueling, people challenged others to duels for pretty much any stupid reason. Do we want to return to a time when someone could legally shoot you just because you gave them a red delicious instead of a granny smith?
Ah yes, the only way to settle things like gentlemen
I wish duelling was legalised, think of how many mass shootings could have been averted if the would be terrorist had a chance to duel his opposition in a fair duel.
If he had only fixed his bayonet like a proper soldier, he could've skewered that whole blasted office.
Bluehawk2008
Bayonet control?
Harumph
1994CPK like the uk
Or a tomahawk
Bluehawk2008 it’s time to change the laws on bayonets for a safer America
If someone in 1776 wanted to massacre their office I'd advise a few pistols and a saber or hatchet. It cleared decks of ships rather efficiently.
Edit: Navy folks used cutlasses not sabers.
GenericFakeName yeah muskets weren’t all that good at close quarters combat compared to things like bunderbusses or pistols. In fact if the guy in this video had a bunderbuss his target would have been paste on the wall behind him.
GenericFakeName They used sabres my good man, cutlasses were more common around lower ranks and unorganised privateers and of the sort. Sabres were nor common or rare but were most likely used on a similar scale to the cutlass
Space Marine Chaplain Blunderbuss* and like modern shotguns the blunderbuss didn't require specifically to be loaded with buckshot
Admiral Blin yeah, basically anything and could fit in the barrel was ammunition.
Or use longswords for the hardcore factor
You obviously didn't take into account that the dude in the tie had gone for a dex build, making his dodge stat infuriatingly high. It's evident from the light armour he wears and how he just disappears to escape the gunman that he's a rogue. Damn rogues...
Hey, *I* play a rogue!
@@BrandonF dirty rogue
@@BrandonF I knew it!
Brandon F. Sapithentapit
I'd rather get shot by a 5.56 than a 75 cal musket!
Hear, hear! Any day!
I'm not quite certain if that was an advance or a threat. Either way, I'm afraid I must turn you down.
Sshooter444 maybe you should look at the gel test on that before agreeing. The concussion or Hydro Static Shock from a 5.56 flying at 3000 feet per second isn't really anything to mess with.
Sshooter444 why don't we use you as a test dummy for both? ;)
Daniel Morris personally I prefer Armalite rifles and SMLEs.. Do I sniff another Irish massacre?
I would imagine that if an 18th century man was intent on committing mayhem in an office, he wouldn't use a musket. He would instead take a number of pistols with him so that he could fire one after another.
And then carry a bladed weapon.
Gold Winger or blunderbuss
And even after they killed him his headless corpse would do a few laps around the cubicles.
I mean I think I would just roll in a keg of black powder with shrapnel duct taped around it. Then move in with the pistols and the saber to finish the job
@@killercat1276 take your personal cannon and load it with grape shot. Scare the people out then fire. Then move in with pistols and bladed weapons to finish the stragglers and wounded.
> Not just charging him with your trusty triangular bayonett and stabbing him 5 times in the first place.
*fixed bayonet noises*
Just as the founding fathers intended
He was easily within bayonet range.
@@buckplug2423 *coughs twice*
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
I didn't know you could fire a musket without a powdered whig
natalassblaster you can't...that's why he missed
I wonder what sort of powder they used and whether it was flammable.
😂🤪😜👍🏼👍🏼🍺
@@brucetucker4847 The same as today - talc, kaolin and cornstarch (with orris root - depending on a social status).
I do not know what is more amazing. The fact that you found 10 minutes of content to talk about in a 20 seconds video, or the fact that said 20 seconds video gave you enough content to talk about for 10 minutes.
It's a gift, I suppose.
Brandon F. Eh, i'm happy anyway
2:23 Guns make that noise when they decide to kill someone.
Tomartyr its when they get aroused. Its why you hear it in Holywood shoot outs so often
Ominous clicking behind you.
People don't kill people
Guns do
the only thing i can emagine that sound is suppost to be is the sling swivel moving about due to the sholdering of the firearm.
Hollywood guns always have to make a noise when characters point them at their targets. I've heard "glocks" in movies make a click noise during aiming.
10 minutes of content off of a 30 second add? Yes please.
Honestly, I'm impressed I could be so brief.
Good sir you got roasted!!!
Those 10 minutes felt like better time spent than watching the 30 second ad, because you talking for 10 minutes makes every action of the ad seem poorly researched on such an iconic firelock.
Blessings from the machine god always helps
Plus, where was his bayonet? One might argue the awkwardness of a bayonet indoors, but he might’ve still taken out his opponent, even with the missed shot.
It certainly would have made the video more interesting, to say the least!
Concealed carry blunderbuss would have been a nice touch.
george mihaita pointed out?! Nice pun 👍🏿
His NCOs have much work to do with him, certainly!
How likely is a civilian in those times to own a bayonet let alone a musket with a bayonet attachement point?
The thing is no one even tried to tackle what looks like a 60 year old man
True. That office is full of cowards. Where is a G. A. Henty character when you need him?
In Henty's book "The Tiger of Mysore" the main character Dick and his friend Suraja, (I think that was how it was spelled), with 8 muskets, 4 pistols, and 2 swords, successfully defended an abandoned hut for several hours against 50 Mysorian soldiers until relieved by Dick's uncle.
They didn’t do it because the man could still be armed with another weapon. Plus if someone tried to kill your coworker in the middle of the office in bright daylight you would probably panic no matter the gunmans age
@@charlessapp1835 that's sad
Gun control activists are highly egocentric so they presume that everybody is as much a helpless and worthless coward as they are.
@@Firguy or worse, they want to actively instill the idea into the populace that they are helpless victims who should rely on the state for all of their protection.
That gun noise is so obnoxious. Every singe time a tv cop pulls their hammerless Glock you get the gun noise. I'm waiting for the NRA to counter with an ad showing someone accurately speed shooting a brace of 12 pistols and following it up with a bit of saber work.
"A brace", by definition is a pair - two thereof, no more, no less.
Alec Blunden r/iamverysmart???
@@nothet I wouldn't say so. What makes it r/iamverysmart is the tone that is taken. He's simply correcting an honest mistake, there's no snide tone or rubbing it in his face.
Everyone: *complains about gun politics in the commercial*
This fine gentalmen: *YOU HAVE INACURACY'S WITH YOUR MUSKET DEMINSTATION*
Everyone else: This is a powerful message
Brandon: That man's uniform is innacurate!
Prussia had repeating rifles well before the USA's second amendment was written.
Lewis and Clark used them while mapping the western part of the United states, I do believe.(nvm)
Didn't they have a compressed air rifle?
@@brucetucker4847 I believe they had a Girardoni air rifle, which is a weapon that makes any modern air rifle look like a toy for children.
@@TonboIV its literally less effective and weaker than most serious hunting airguns available today at simillar calibers
@@MrPanos2000 Huh? I had no idea they were making large bore air rifles anymore, but I guess I should have suspected. These days, no niche is too small.
There was also a type of lever action from France. King Louis XVI had one
A few guys I played Mount & Blade with watched that commercial as a joke. Even though we only used muskets in a video game, we spent several minutes tearing the commercial to pieces. Nice analysis.
ITakeItGood Napoleonic Wars best
What language are you speaking?
@@panzerofthelake506 nice profile picture
What’s stopping me from carrying multiple double barrel muskets
Moose Chocolate your wallet
Colton Scharf I suppose bit for the same I spend on other guns I can just build or buy used ones since gun company would make what we can get so they would be cheaper
"Elephant guns" are basically this. Two large diameter barrels. Pour in the muzzle powder. Put percussion cap on. Cock back the hammer. It has two shots because one mechanism can jam up or miss. Full video for more info: ua-cam.com/video/MDYtxxRU_cY/v-deo.html
Weight and, if you want it concealed, that they are very bulky
Sergio Juan Membiela get some quadruple barreled pistols.
At that range. if a musket is actually loaded with a lead ball. a man who were shot at will get hit (and won't survive). that was a range of firing squads!!! that shooter shouldn't miss the mark so easily!
DiscothecaImperialis not to mention they actually did have rifled barrels back them their is recorded use of them against the British they would sit in trees and shoot the British officers their horses so they stopped giving their officers horses lol
@@yyeezyy630 The main problem with rifled guns of that time period was loading round shot has to be forced past the rifling grooves the ball has to be slightly bigger then the actual dimensions of the inner barrel to interact with the rifling. Between that and the expense of machining rifle grooves it was only really used in hunting rifles and even then it was not common. They didn't solve the problem until the 1850s.
First mistake at 1:35, didn't spit the ball down the barrel. Second mistake, used the ram rod instead of shaking it. :P
Also you have remarkably good posture.
He didn't even wear red to hide the potential blood, or hide behind rocks and fences like a smart rebel would!
Brandon F. sorry for the ignorance, but is there something wrong with talking cover?
+metalema6 It's just a myth that I've discussed on the channel before, that rebel soldiers in the American War of Independence won because they hid behind cover.
I don't get this whole gunpowder thing - the pommel of your sword is enough to finish your opponent rightly.
P.S. But what if you do not HAVE a sword? Typically only Officers carried swords.
1.The shooter makes no effort to follow or lead the target in the advert.
2. If you follow the line of the barrel to the hole in the door frame, the fictional round travels in a smooth parabolic trajectory straight from barrel to door.
By my guess based on a similar jacket and objects of similar mass, he doesn’t have many cartridges either.
You handled the subject matter very tastefully, and covered your bases with the disclaimers. Much appreciated.
Thank you, I'm glad that most of the...heated, shall we say, comments here haven't been directed towards me!
I was originally planning to upload a 'me standing in front of the camera,' lecture style video today, but I'm afraid that I had to alter my schedule rather last minute, so I had to resort to a quicker voiceover video. The next one will (most likely) be in the traditional style!
Also, as you can all see, on advice from some friends I'm trying out a new approach to video thumbnails. This one was actually made by someone else for me, but if we all think it's a good idea I'll be trying to edit my thumbnails to include text like this more often in the future.
Brandon F. doesn't matter, everything you make is awesome
Well thank you!
Brandon F. I love the content, plus I was just in the mood for a good old fashioned flame war.
Brandon F. I want to be a story when I grow up of the 1700 like that thangs that you do
Love your videos. Will you be doing more videos on calling out bad historical movies or tv shows like the one on Black Flags? Also what audio equipment do you use? Do you wear a mic? I think you would get more viewers if the sound quality improved a little bit more as its a little hard to hear you clearly sometimes. Anyway looking forward to you next video.
If he was carrying two pistols, like that book claimed the average soldier carried, he could have missed three times.
Everyone should own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
They always rely on the ignorance of viewers. They say "We need to pass this one law to make things safe." If they get it they then say "This is the first step to making our streets safe." And if you really look at what the law did, it did not address any of the things they claim needed to be addressed.
Toxked They try to attack what appears to cause the problem from the surface, rather down looking deep and finding the root of the problem, which generally is socio-economic issues.
Licences, America needs gun licenses. Those who want to murder can’t get them, those who need it for hunting, police, military, sport, reinactment or possible self defence. Perfect solution worked well for my homeland the aus
@@bruceismay5440 I hope your comment is a joke or sarcasm.
@@tinman1843nope, that program worked very very well
Not to mention that he would have a blade with him so he wouldn't have to reload quickly to kill his missed target of premeditated murder.
Dave Light contrary to Holywood, bayonets take quite the hefty thrust and sometimes a run up to kill.
Admiral Blin I said blade, I didn't specify a bayonet, he could've had a knife or short sword and that would do too.
How about a hawk. Heck could have hit him between the eyes at that range with a hawk.
As some have come to discover in recent times, blades still function. I can only imagine the same situation with a bayonet and what kind of political message it would have been...
Ban kitchen knives!
SomeNavySEALs well I believe the message would be along the lines of 'If you see a man with a bayonetted musket then don't hang around for him to miss his shot'
Nope they would outlaw knives, so we would all be walking around with our trusty sporkes.
@john Mullholand I'm pretty sure California actually did ban bayonets
Not trying to make any political statement but let's think about this for a second. Compare him having the bayonet fixed in this hypothetical attack on this workplace. Okay he would probably stab that first guy but then everyone would have time to run away or attempt to apprehend him. Still seems like a pretty big difference compared to a modern semi automatic rifle or handgun.
A shooter walks into an office with an ar-15, he aims it at a worker. Another worker pulls out a Flintlock pistol, fires and misses. He then starts reloading while you hear the shooter killing everyone in the background. Now text appears reading "criminals have changed shouldn't our gun laws?"
why would he have a reason to have an ar 15 tho, you can hunt animals AND defend your house with a musket so there is no reason to have an ar
@helmit_kid9755 the point is that in that scenario the AR would have been obtained illegally, so the gun laws wouldn't have mattered in the first place. Irregardless, for home defense, using an AR15 would be far more effective than a musket.
I would love to see that
Based. I should make something like this.
I'm surprised we didn't hear the sound of a spent cartridge hitting a concrete floor.
Thank you for this vid!
One other thing they forgot, probably because they're aiming at rifles and fail to see that most shooters use pistols instead - a typical cavalrymen (we'll use swedish because I know a little bit about them) would carry several wheel-lock pistols with them so that they could ride into battle, fire anywhere between 3-7 pistols and then ride off, regroup with their company and reload.
This whole "and you just stand there and reload like an idiot" thing is ridiculous, and this kind of blatant misinformation is discrediting to their point of view.
As you know a wheel lock would have been reenactment by 1770 and never was militia stuff. What they are displaying is state of the art and not blatant misinformation.
Speaking of musket ball wounds, any chance we can see a video on Dominique Jean Larrey, his ambulances, and battle field surgery of the Napoleonic era? Either way, love the channel!
I'm not familiar with the name, but field surgery in general would be a good future topic!
Brandon F. He was a Baron of the first French Empire and chief Surgeon of the Grande Armée, he worked with/rivaled Baron LP Percy (MD) to devlop his "flying ambulances" (carriages designed to move quickly and carry a delicate load, the injured or sick soldier/s in question) system to provide medical care in the heat of battle by a team of trained stretcher bearers and a supervising field surgeon who would work to triage the wounded and send the critical patients back to the field hospital for more extensive care.
I'm an EMT (who rather likes the topic of trauma) and a former infantryman so I personally find this aspect of history and the military fascinating!
Also, thank you for the response!
Speaking of wounds, it's interesting to note the differences between British sabers and French swords during the Napoleonic period due to the British favoring cut and thrust sabers while the French favored pure thrusting swords. According to accounts of the time, the French suffered much more grievous wounds from British sabers than the British did from French swords, on the other hand, French swords caused more outright fatalities than British sabers did.
"Surgery" = amputation(as far as I know)
Brian Wyters that's an incorrect perception but a common one, Larrey himself developed new techniques in abdominal surgery that was very successful. But even before that, there had been some thoracic and abdominal surgeries done for both traumatic and non-traumatic causes. They were much more difficult to conduct without anesthesia and a paralytic, as well as a modern knowledge of the importance of hygiene, but they were still common because of necessity.
I wonder if he the guy shooting the firearm was watching sharpe and had the ball in his mouth. Well the police wouldn’t get him because the ball would go into the firearm he taps the bottom of the firearm it fires
He would probably look far less intimidating loading that way, though.
Brandon F. I do to agree with that
Brandon F. I think anyone looks far less intimidating laid on the floor with your jaw missing and a musket next to them after a miss fire trying to be a smart arse
Fix bayonets ? Since the office appeared to have no one willing to defend themselves the bayonet become very viable.
@Kyle Whitehead I detect a slight tone of sarcasm in your writing. Ha Ha.
By the way. That office is full of cowards! Where is a G. A. Henty character when you need him?
In Henty's book "The Tiger of Mysore" the main character Dick and his friend Suraja, (I think that was how it was spelled), with 8 muskets, 4 pistols, and 2 swords, successfully defended an abandoned hut for several hours against 50 Mysorian soldiers until relieved by Dick's uncle.
Or what about when in Henty's book "With Frederick the Great" the main character, with a sword and two pistols, attacks 6 Prussian soldiers ransacking a Saxon nobels' house. OK true one of the maids tackles one of the soldiers leveling his pistol to kill the hero, and holds him down until he is dispatched by the hero.
Or what about in Henty's first book "Out on the Pampas," when Maude and Ethel save their brother's life when chased by an Indian, by shooting the Indian in the head.
With almost 100 Historical fiction books from ancient Egypt to the Boxer Rebellion in China, need I go on?
In my opinion, most small arms should be legal, the point of the 2nd amendment is to fight a a totalitarian regime. If the USA became a dictatorship the armed citizen would be his worst nightmare.
I know people say that smalls arms won't beat the tanks and helicopters, but read on the Taliban and guerrilla warfare . They are a lot more effective than you think
They fail to realize that yes the law was meant for arms of that age, but *that was what the government also had*. Since now the government has modern arms, citizens shall be able to own those too. Heck, the second amendment even applied to full on cannons!
The one thing I always find interesting when people say "guns won't beat tanks etc" is that they assume the military will casually go along with supporting a totalitarian regime. The US military is by far one of the most patriotic and freedom loving institutions in the US (at least as far as its membership goes), so it far more likely that it will actually try and stop a regime than support it, or at the very least the majority of its members would mutiny. It is entirely possible that a totalitarian regime in the US would not have the support and manpower to operate tanks and helicopters.
CasInbound even if it did, they need fuel right? A RPG or M4 can easily deal blows to gasoline trucks. Roads and bridges can be knocked out. And in the swamps, mountains and desert regions ,those motorized and mechanized troops will have one hell of a beating
Clearly you have been under a rock for the last decade, Bush took away our privacy and Obama took away our right to a trial. Those guns didn't do shit to protect our rights.
The Latest Meme the only reason they didn't work; is because we didn't use them.
It's us that failed, not the weapons
Note that futuristic laser carbine(?) in Starwars also make that kind of noise and recoil like a mad cow. It's strange to see people do extra work for more unrealisticness 😂
at least when we are talking the original 3 movies they are actual guns firing blank cartridges. (in some clips the spend cartridge can be seen)
The reason was to get the muzzle flash.
Lasers(light, really)has no mass, but a tiny bit of momentum. So laser weapons should have virtually have no recoil. The larger problem with lasers is powering and recharging them. This was pretty irrelevant.
Blasters in Star Wars fire bolts of plasma, not lasers. However the mass of the bolt and velocity are both low, meaning low recoil regardless.
As a matter of fact, there were repeating firearms back in 1776. They were rare and very difficult to produce but the founding fathers were aware of them.
We’re reaching pettiness levels that shouldn’t even be possible!
Oh, we haven't even begun our journey into pettiness!
cone head what IS cultural Marxism ? I have a rough idea and probably should look it up but going to ask anyway
That guy S imagine a rough outline of true communism that went more wrong than real communism which led to the creation of hermit crab mindless retarded haters worse than neo nazis
'Most inauthentic portrayal' being:
1 a Sound: When raising the rifle the sound heard is not a cocking sound.
1 b Sound: The use of a cocking sound is inappropriate as there is no cocking.
2 Missing his target. The current kill to bullet ratio of the US armed forces is 0.0004%
3 The persistent use of blank charges, no projectile, through the commercial. The current actor killed to aimed blanks fired ratio is much higher than 0.0004%
Brandon F. BRAVO!!
I have not checked the latest numbers but in the US the vast majority of gun-related deaths were suicides. Once you eliminate suicide and equipment failure guns don't even come close to the number of bludgeoning deaths we have here in the US every year. Guns appear in movies on TV and in video games so attacking that popular perception of what violence is is simply easier than actually doing anything about real violent crime. However, this does beg the question, statistically, did people use black powder weapons to kill themselves, and if so are there any significant statistical variations.
I'm not saying I disagree with you but could you site your source? I'm genuinely interested.
Hazardous 088 well for example in 2014 there were about 36,000 gun related deaths in the US. According to the CDC 21,386 of those were suicide. www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
There was also an article in the NYTimes in 2015 but I don't believe the rate has ever dipped below 50% here in the US. Even at the peak of violent deaths in the late 70's, it remained constant. Apparently when murder rates go up so do suicide rates. www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html
Yeah and when you remove all the non crime deaths you are left with only a mere 5000.
Again let's inspect it further, 25% of crime related gun deaths are in 4 major cities (detroit, chicago, the other two I forgot.) Another 1100 murders are committed in california.
You see, criminals don't obey the law, that's why they are criminals. Banning guns and expecting criminals to start robbing with knives again? Come on, you gotta be stupid to believe it would work.
When speaking about gun control, the important word is control. You see, gun control advocates aren't anti gun, because guns will be needed to forcefully disarm the people, they are very much pro gun but wish to put all the guns in the hands of politicians who are, of course, infallible and perfectl virtous and incorruptible people.
They want you weak and defenseless.
Hot Fuzz parodied those "guns make clicking noise" trope. In a scene near the end a small group of cops jog carrying pump shotguns, making constant cocking sounds as they move.
Not to make a political point, but whenever someone uses this line of reasoning showed in the commercial, I always inform them that congress at one point agreed to a court interpretation that such a law extended to cannons. So I always go with “fine make modern guns illegal, but lift the ban on multi shot muskets and cannonry”, id love to load a 2 pounder on my fishing raft. I always get a lol moment from their reactions.
Script: Then the man reloads the gun with powder and musket ball.
Insurance: There is no way we're letting you have a loaded gun on set.
If ever I go off the deep end and do this, I’m exclusively using black powder weapons just to prove a point.
Relax, it was more real than the average filmed gun scene with people in front of the gun.
Adamast Allow me pull an assassins creed and take out half the British army with a bow, hatchet and a fancy backflip or two
The “shiing!” of any sword in the scene
its amazing how badly youll miss when you aim 3 feet above the mans right shoulder
Very good video! I found it funny how hard you were trying to demonstrate that this is not an political video. Keep up the good work!
I don't take any risks! And thank you!
The point about the gunman missing his target taking away from the commercial's message is somewhat misguided as the intended message is likely more on mass shootings and the rate of fire of late 18th-Century firearms, though I'll admit they should have made that clearer by conveying the gunman's desire to kill more than a single target.
Sean Bennett well even then if it was to commit mass murder he could of mounted his bayonet or pulled out a sword and probably of gotten a fair few kills in.
The idea that you'd bother reloading is just silly, you'd just start stabbing bitches, then it's not longer a gun argument, hmmmmmmmm.
The argument falls apart if you have any sense of reason.
Like he could of come in easily and run up and stabbed the bloke, it's always a regressive argument to ban the means of committing a crime rather than addressing the causes.
Yeah, there's really no reason they couldn't have let him hit his mark in the video; the rest of the office would still flee while he reloaded and the point would be made just as well. Even with a bayonet, he could probably then only get one or maybe two more people before the rest could get far away (of course, in a real situation, people also *don't* just flee the building in a stampede immediately upon hearing a loud bang from the other side of the office, though the sight of a visibly angry man advancing with a longarm, bayonet fixed, would probably get the message across...)
As I understand it, though, stabbing wounds are statistically much more survivable with medical care than even modern gunshot wounds, let alone the big, big hole an 18th century ball will make.
Well if he was that intent as they attempt to portray why not have the attacker secure the only means of egress.
I get the feeling the REAL reason he didn't hit his mark was about making sure the ad didn't show a man's internals being sprayed across the room by a musket round, as this would have reduced the number of platforms on which it could have been shown.
its a stupid argument that people use to try to ban guns, there were repeating rifles in prussia, and if this guy wanted to kill a bunch of people he could of brought 6 flintlocks, a blunderbluss, a sword and a hatchet
I think the man could have easily missed. The hole indicates he was aiming for the target's head, the target flinched and recoiled at the very last moment.
While aiming for the body at such a close target would be a guaranteed hit, a headshot is much harder. Its not like videogames, people duck, they jerk around, their first instinct is to get away from the bullets, and the old muskets are notorious for being innacurate, cumbersome and slow to fire. Making headshots matters of chance rather than skill.
absolutely
I saw Levi Tillemann pepper spray his own face to prove pepper spray is more effective at stopping an active school shooter. On his UA-cam video, his comment was him saying that pepper spray was effective at 30 feet away while police shooting at their intended target less than 10 feet away had missed over 70% of the time.
@Kyle Whitehead Levi Tillemann's political Facebook page blocked me for asking about comments and people being removed. I told Levi on his personal Facebook page about what his political page's admins were doing. He blocked me. A few people on Facebook whom were fully set on voting for Levi voted for the other guy after he blocked them as well. Levi wound up losing the election and pretty much faded into obscurity.
@john Mullholand Brandon F. shoots muskets, so I would accept his expertise. Whereas the '61 Springfield is rifled, the muskets before it was only smoothbore. Speaking of such, I watched Hickok45 shooting military pistols of the era. He was shooting high caliber bullets out of the blackpowder pistols without rifling from a short distance at a paper target. I noticed he missed twice from hitting the bullseye. As for accuracy, it is also dependent on the person and training. A guy I met at MEPS was a crack shot at the Area 51 arcade game at the hotel we were put up at. I saw he was assigned to my squadron at boot camp. He wanted to be an MP. The day of M-16 rifle qualification, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Come to find out, that was the first time he ever shot a gun.
My apologizes. Since switching from phone to computer, I see John was actually referring to Pooper's remarks rather than criticizing Brandon F. I do agree that a headshot can actually be hard in reality, even with today's modern rifles, even if I do not personally agree with the statement that the muskets are cumbersome, and notoriously inaccurate. Revisiting this video a year later, I am still wondering about how the bullet could make such a hole, and yet the glass window behind it remain unshattered.
Thank you so much for uploading this. Today I’ve been coughing all-day, as well as well as having my ankles aching.
Do feel better, then!
The sad thing is that guns are meant to be used in military situations, hunting, and home defense. myself being a huntsman I do use a Hawken rifle on some days. people here in the US tend to demonize us just for owning a gun. as for the commercial the musket should have struck his intended victim. Just from the camera view you can see he's not aiming at the guy.
"So let's complain, my dear viewer, about a commercial" oh I see, so basically do what I normally do whenever a commercial on TV disrupts my favorite show!?
Francis Marion me feels you
Francis Marion it must be annoying to only have commercial channels on tv
If he really wanted to do damage, use a Blunderbuss or have a knife on your hip. So when you miss you can atleast pursue the target
Jim Bowie got whacked on the head by an empty pistol (and stabbed by a cane sword) before he could use his mandatory knife on the hip. Maybe the traditional musket clubbing is good enough.
The nerve of him, not having his bayonet or sword ready!
Own a musket for home defense, because that's what the founding fathers intended.
Lol, would you expect the maker of this piece to understand a firearms.
A member of my unit has successfully used his Indian bess to bag two deer during muzzleloader season. And my unit has done numerous live fires in the past, with one coming up in a few weeks, and they've recording being able to easily cut saplings down at 75 yards
They're better shots than I am, to be sure!
I still remember that meme of a guy defending his house with 18th century weapons. Canister shot decimates the intruders from the top of the stair case. Blows a hole in another intruder with his musket. Affixes bayonet and charges the remnants.
The cameraman was chewing ice...
Change the laws of US guns to, “Only give firearms to morons who have no sense of accuracy”
Stoßtruppen Yes but I'd rather not have my tax money wasted on filling holes and dents in my walls
You mean the army? Afghanistan got a 0.001% kill ratio
I think he means the police. They get 18 hours of training (including classroom) on shooting before they hit the streets.
Adamast in most armed conflicts there are thousands of bullets per kill
After thinking about this since my last post I have to wonder why no one posted the obvious thing most missed in this vid. Why didn’t any one draw a pistol from their belts and shoot the guy down. Why didn’t any one tackle the guy with the empty musket? The makers of this vid are clear... they don’t want any one to be responsible for their own defense. They would rather have dead people then self defense.
Jeffrey Robinson if someone fires a musket at your work colleagues head, you tend to run and not risk him drawing a knife or bayonet just to stab you for trying to be a hero. There is a reason the police advise against vigilance
Admiral Blin, and how many lives are you willing to risk because the police couldn’t get there in time?
Well said, Jeffery Robinson.
Because they're all Anti-gunners. They don't believe in defending themselves or others.
"if someone fires a musket at your work colleagues head, you tend to run and not risk him drawing a knife or bayonet just to stab you for trying to be a hero."
Uhh, I carry a knife (usually two) daily. And if I couldn't find something more useful around me (like the 9mm pistol I generally bring to work), I'd use one of those on him. It would hurt seeing my $300 balisong go into police evidence for a few years, but better than a dead coworker.
Disarmed? Helpless? Fuck that.
What police are you talking about, anyway? The cops here advise self defense.
The irony in these people, wanting to restrict your firearms and ownership of said arms, not knowing the intricacies of the point they’re trying to make, is hilarious. They couldn’t even get the, in reality, insanely simple, mechanics of a flintlock musket correct. How fitting.
The thing is....they never expected a nerd to go into such detail
Wonderful, as always, Brandon. I believe that the clacking that you hear from the musket is dubbed from the action of an M1 Garand/ M14 style (or other similar semi-automatic) rifle. These rifles are very reliable in part due to the loose tolerance of their action. This leads to a clacking sound when they are manipulated. All rifles have this to some extent, but the M1/M14 is very loud and iconic. Search for a video of a silent drill team. They still use this rifle for drill, if not for combat, partly for the dramatic clacking. I believe that the sound that was dubbed in was not to emulate the sound of a musket cocking but of the loose receiver of a modern rifle. Still erroneous.
Yes, I would say that it is entirely possible that it could have come from an AK, which also has loose tolerances in their receiver. A revolver though? An m14/m1 garand, mostly, are going to be less accurate than an m16/m4 style rifle, because the latter uses direct impingement and so has dramatically less movement of mass when the bolt cycles but before the bullet leaves the barrell. Look in the civilian market today for a sub-MOA AR-15 and they will be dramatically more abundant than a sub-moa M1a (m14 derivative). The trade off to this is that the direct impingement that the ar uses requires much more maintenance than the gas piston and looser tolerances of the m14. The success of of the m14 as a Designated Marksman Rifle ('snipers' use a Remington 700 derived bolt action rifle) has more to do with it having a .308 round that has a greater effective range than the 5.56.
Also, again. Look at american military drill teams. They tend to use m14/m1's because they are wooden and shiney but also because they make a noise when you slap them.
Also, having looser tolerances is not the same thing as saying it is poorly produced. The Glock is legedary in it's reliability because it goes so far in its loose tolerances to have a chamber that is only partially supported in order to feed easier. Look at a spent casing from a glock, there will be a bulge.
Also, saying that the m14 had a perfect accuracy ratio is absurd, especially considering it was the general issue rifle for along time during the 60's while the m16 was rolling out.
" M14 is really well made and very precise for a semi auto rifle..."
No, not really. It's an M1 Garand with a different gas system and detachable magazine. They CAN be accurized, at great expense, and only for a little while, but they're not actually good rifles at all.
The clacking is most likely from the Colt Single Action Army, which gives four distinct "clicks" when cocking a hammer that's all the way forward.
It didn't sound at all like a SAA. I think the original idea of a lever action is correct, specifically a Winchester 1892 having the action opened but not closed. Win 92s were by far the most common rifles seen in older Hollywood westerns (even ones set before the Civil War!) and stock sound clips of their action would be very common as well.
Good thing that criminal didn't have more advanced weapons like the Kalthoff Repeater (circa 1600) which could have let him fire 7 or more shots; or a Cookson Repeater (circa 1690) which could have fired about 9 shots; or a Belton flintlock (1777) which could have fired 20 rounds... automatically (kinda); or a Girandoni air rifle (circa 1779) which could have fired 20 shots with no noise of a gun blast. The Found Fathers could never have seen such remarkable technological advances... oh... wait... these were all concurrent with or from centuries before the founding of the United States, oh darn.
The folks who make these kinda of ads know little about firearms or their history except for what they see in films or TV. To them single shot rifles were what existed till Cowboy times or WWI.
I've made the mistake of trying to discuss the historical and technological background of this argument with some people and it came down to exactly what was said at the end of the ad: guns have changed, shouldn't laws. To which I basically replied: 'laws have changed, you could once buy and arm your own warship; but I don't think they'll even allow Bill Gates to buy his own AEGIS Cruiser.'
In many parts of the world, there is actually very little standing in the way of buying a modern private warship beyond the expense and lack of desire from anyone with that kind of capital kicking around. Some of the weapons and ammunition are a little more awkward to purchase than others, some systems are likely to have to be designed and built from scratch, and you're rather unlikely to be sold an existing class of warship to exact modern specs, but any yard with the free space is unlikely to turn you down if you show up with the cash on hand to pay for the design and development of your own personal warship.
Moving said ship after you arm it does however rather quickly become a legal minefield...
well that being said im sure theirs a Russian around some where who can get you what ever you need ... lots of stuff falls off trucks and the roads over there don't help... :P that said look at this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Belfast_(C35)#/media/File:London_November_2013-14a.jpg look at it just ssitting there .. ripe for the takeing .. you know if your into grand theft cruiser :P
I am in no way currently wondering what state those engines are in, whether or not the fuel storage is still intact, and how many people would be required to try and bluff your way aboard and begin startup without anyone questioning it. Nope. Totally not happening.
During the Cold War the Pepsi company sold large amounts of soda syrup to the Soviet Union. When the government collapsed they still owed Pepsi money and they wanted to continue importing the syrup. To pay off the debt the new Russian government gave Pepsi something they had alot of: vodka and warships. All total the Russians gave Pepsi 17 ships which included submarines, a cruiser, and destroyer. It was a $3billion deal.
RealLuckless It was my understanding that a fair number of naval vessels were owned by corporations that leased them to government with the majority of the profit coming from the depreciation of the vessels for tax purposes. The weapon systems belonging to the navy however. Unfortunately I can't give a reference for an article.
That commercial was pretty entertaining.
Never thought I'd see the "Just as the founding fathers intended" copypasta as an unironic statement
Nice historical analysis.
An observation:
Most of the "gun control" advocates or ads advocating gun control seem to "miss their mark" by a long shot.
From what I can tell, there is much ignorance in the arguments, for example, saying "fully semi-automatic".
This ad, and your analysis, show this.
Not sure why but I feel really bad for the guy who got shot at
Well in fairness, he did get shot at, which seems a good reason to feel bad for someone.
The mistake was he didn't wait for the command to present and fire.
This was the first time I have heard of "buck and ball," I was awed to learn it existed. Very clever and devastating indeed.
You typically only find buck and ball in shotgun shells nowadays
That ramrod handling was pretty slipshod as well... how many extra movements did he need to add to the drill? Needs to be thrown over a gun carriage I say.
Gotta make a 10 minute video on a 20 second video to confuse the ad revenue...right babe
Caden Robl tfw no ads
RIP in peace rich
Caden Robl >Says Fredrick the Great
Pyro Paragon Gloria prueßens
Many of the concerns you bring up are safety related (OSHA). For even a 15 second commercial, many dozens of retakes may be required. In addition, using firearms of any kind in an indoor setting is a recipe for destroyed eardrums for just about everybody on set due to the physics of the detonations. They likely limited it to a primer load to reduce the impact on hearing, with added hearing protection for all involved.
As for dropping the cartridge, it is similar to how many productions involving firearms will always keep their finger off the trigger. With modern firearms, even blanks can cause life threatening wounds, and there is always the possibility of accidentally loading a live round. Here, the chance of that can be eliminated by never going through the motion of inserting anything that can increase chamber pressure and thus increase lethality of even minor amounts of powder. If you are going to do dozens of retakes, you may end up reloading the weapon a hundred times over; why increase the risk of charges of negligent discharge and reckless endangerment?
Things like this can drastically affect the cost of insuring your actors. They likely had an advisor specializing in the use of firearms specifically for Hollywood and TV. The idiosyncrasies of operating in the United States thus place stringent limits on how authentic TV and movie portrayals of firearms can be.
Really glad that you talked about the exaggeration of the inaccuracy of smooth bore muskets in this video. Happens all the time in media, i was playing a Napoleonic era game the other day called Holdfast: Nations At War where i was able to miss a man sized, static target at 10 meters despite my crosshair being directly aimed centre mass of the target. Its absurd.
It's like trying to call say an AR-15 innacurate on the basis that it shoots a much larger group than a dedicated long range, scoped, bolt action rifle at 1000m. It's not a fair comparison, and i wish this myth would die.
I was surprised, (and I must admit a little disappointed) that you failed to point out the total lack of a bayonet. I would imagine that in close quarters like that the proper use of the musket would be to either enter with bayonet fixed (though I could see the likely hood of it becoming entangled on the odd obstruction) or immediately after the shot fixing the bayonet for you certainly don't have the needed time to reload.
It's sad how careful you have to be when talking about firearms in our modern society
In a galaxy far far away, I was at one time a Civil war re-enactor. Same idea with the musket (1858 Enfield) but with percussion caps.
Of course he didn't ram paper. He was just pretending. He didn't put any actual powder down that barrel either. If he had rammed paper, he would have to get it out without shooting it out. It shocked me not at all to see that paper on the floor. The only time we ever rammed paper was when we would participate in an honor guard. I also thought it interesting that the actual shot was filmed at an angle so that you couldn't tell that the musket was aimed probably 20 degrees off the target. A lot of this was about safety consciousness.
If guns were that ineffective the phrase would be "never being a knife to a gun fight."
Well, 2nd amendment during that time, strangely enough, allow merchant ships to have cannons.
Yes, I know about Merchants having armed escorts or self-defense but American ships being covered to "right to bear arms" seem a bit odd.
powerist James Madison specifically said Americans citizens can own cannons for defense
When you're so old that your dementia makes you think a musket is an ar 15
"3 rounds a minute in any weather" or office cubicle in this case, now that's soldiering
That gun present noise is similar to the generic sword shing sound that plays when someone unsheathes a sword, even when the scabbard or sheath doesn't have any metal fittings on it.
Great video!
Now for my political screed - the reason we (US citizens) must be armed is to be prepared to participate in the armed insurrection of a criminal government. And the police agents of said governments are generally armed with more than muskets. Secondly, the firearms one possesses are quite often good for sporting uses. I take mine out for a little R&R regularly. And any modern firearm can be very effective at the aforementioned activity. I'm quite a good shot with my late 19th century design lever gun.
One thing I do not get about the left, is that on the one hand they say that only cops and the military should have guns. But on the other hand, they say that cops are evil racists (especially the African-American ones), who shoot African-American people and shouldn't have guns. MAKE UP YOUR FUDGING MINDS!
Charles Soto I think you’re likely thinking about two different groups of people. Politics is a diverse field, where everyone has a unique set of opinions, including “The Left”. You have more moderate left-liberals and progressives, who support stricter gun control (and more police accountability, which is not anti-law enforcement), and more radical hardline BLM activists and antifa, who are more likely to be anti-police (and also pro-gun. E.g. r/SocialistRA).
What did I just watch XD
This is the pinnacle of sarcasm, we've reached it.
If he really wanted to do damage he should of had a pepper box or volley gun, they did make a 7 shot volley gun for the Royal Navy in the early 1800s. It was basically a shotgun using 58 caliber shot
I'd wager the vent wasn't even drilled out on this musket.
That novice should have used the Girandoni Air Rifle.
A bit off topic. But you seem to know a bit about this. Where is the best place to buy a musket for reenactment, that you can fire, of course not with a projectile.
I'm afraid I don't know of any particular places where you could purchase a musket, and would generally advise against buying one online if you can help it. Your best path of inquiry would be the reenactment group you actually end up joining, as many actually have spares to lend or sell to new members.
Thanks for the tip! Love your channel btw. Keep up the good work!
If you are interested in super high quality stuff, check out the "Rifle Shoppe". You can get kits or fully built ones there.
My man!
Nice! :D
Percussion cap muskets are a pain in the butt too. I'm a civil war reenactor and I swear to God every nine or ten shots the damn thing jams.
poorly maintained gun and/or bad replica...
How to vomit mass shooting with flintlock weapons
Method A: Black Beard style, upwards of 12 pistols on your person bonus if each pistol is double barreled
Method B: Last of the mohicans style. Reload on the run/between camera cuts and grabbing unfired enemy muskets off the floor
Method C: volley fire, form a line with a company of men, make ready, present, give fire
Method D: Use the Chamber's naval gun
I have a question would he not have had a bayonet on the weapon to
Gun control advocates never do research so while your video is done well it’s pointless. That musket in the video may as well have been a pump action .50 cal machine gun sniper pistol ghost clip.
That shoots 30 bullet rounds in half a second
With a magazine, if it has a clip it has to have a magazine, when are you people going to learn. A clip fed fully semiautomatic magazine. Now I need my safe space.
I hope you all know I'm kidding.
I love how thoroughly you analyzed
If he wanted to maximize the number of kills, he could have brought two or three muskets, one with bayonet fixed.
They don't care about accuracy of what they use, only their wrong politics.
I will fight to the death for my country but if they infringe upon my rights I will fight to the death against it.
So...basically you’re willing to fight whenever it’s necessary to protect your relatives, friends, and society? Me too. Or are you saying Canada better not make any laws you disagree with or you’re going to go on a killing spree? Not cool. Not admirable. And sir: it is inevitable that occasionally laws will be passed that effect you personally and with which you vehemently disagree. There are whole bunches of laws that I disagree with, but there are even bigger collections that I want everyone else to follow. If they cannot pick and choose which laws are worthy of following, why should I?
Steve T I live in American. My profile picture is because im half german, half Canadian.
Kartoffelschloss 50 and 50 make a whole, whether you live in America or not it isn't your true blood
Admiral Blin, you are aware there is no blood that makes you American. And also we fight against our government who attacks our rights not the country. We must keep our arms, Incase the government should make laws that take away our basic human rights, and to protect against any who might infringe upon the rights. Taking away our arms only makes the law abiding citizens helpless when attacked, criminals will always get there hands on arms no matter the laws be it illegally or legally. It is only when a government becomes so corrupt, that the people should work together to take it down.
Amen
It also seems like the people who made that video forgot that pistols existed, and they were often carried in pairs or several pairs.
Wouldn't it be better if they had the guy try to fire at somebody through that window from a neighbouring building? Much more realistic situation and more historically realistic as well.