Martial Arts Mythbusting: Does Trapping Work?

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  • @BigHossHackworth
    @BigHossHackworth 5 років тому +23

    Throwing in the occasional "pak sao" has really helped my boxing. Thanks for the idea.

  • @AllAhabNoMoby
    @AllAhabNoMoby 6 років тому +96

    But but but... I saw Ip Man do it to a world champion boxer!

    • @SelfDefenseTutorials
      @SelfDefenseTutorials  6 років тому +42

      Well damn, I have no counter-argument to that!

    • @adnanadil4498
      @adnanadil4498 6 років тому +17

      I don't want to hear "but"- boxing is sport and sports don't work in real fights, that is why traditional MA artists don't fight with combat athletes... they don't want to hurt them. :)

    • @UltraInstinctIEli
      @UltraInstinctIEli 6 років тому +11

      @@adnanadil4498 Boxing may be a combat sport but boxing and other combat sports definitely work in a real fight. And that's why traditional martial arts don't fight combat athletes? There's been traditional martial artists who fought combat athletes and there's combat athletes who've trained in traditional martial arts. Plus there's some traditional martial arts that have sport applications....as in that particular art you can compete in tournaments or whatever.

    • @adnanadil4498
      @adnanadil4498 6 років тому +3

      @@UltraInstinctIEli , thanks for the info! Tonight I will sleep better! ;)

    • @UltraInstinctIEli
      @UltraInstinctIEli 6 років тому +1

      @@adnanadil4498 ? Whats with the winky face?

  • @bougeac
    @bougeac 6 років тому +78

    Great clip, I’m a wing chun instructor and wholeheartedly agree with you. The fundamental problem with “trapping range” is that it’s a manufactured range that only really works if both fighters agree to stay there. It’s a blink of the eye between punching and clinching and the compound trapping drills (that I used to do) simply fail to translate to real time exhanges. I have a lot of time for pummeling/arm dragging/two on ones and good solid clinch training. If you understand it, there’s actually a lot of clinch fighting in wing chun which makes a lot of sense when you are properly taught the forms. I think the reason a lot of people in WC spend an inordinate amount of time is because the majority don’t spar in a meaningful way which would give them a better yardstick of what is actually going to work. Lots of great functional trapping in Greco imo.

    • @streetwisetactics
      @streetwisetactics 5 років тому +2

      Do you get hate from other Chuners?

    • @cbcstudio846
      @cbcstudio846 5 років тому +3

      well said, I totally Overstand

    • @tyleroldham4676
      @tyleroldham4676 5 років тому +1

      Well thought out comment. I would like to see how you've adapted wc I bet it's interesting.

    • @bougeac
      @bougeac 5 років тому +4

      I get a lot of prospective students who’ve come to watch my class that scratch their heads because they can’t “see” the movements they expect because of their diet of Ip Man movies and bullshit UA-cam clips.

    • @leeturner8023
      @leeturner8023 4 роки тому

      Yes, if the guy can punch with the speed of Joe Calzaghe, then you’re going to need bullet time perception speed / reflexes to use trapping hands against a combo of shots that take a second to execute. Perhaps it’s possible but would prob take years of real time drilling to condition the neurological system.

  • @gungriffen
    @gungriffen 4 роки тому +13

    Actually, this is how I was taught to use Wing Chun.
    It was always stressed to me rolling hands is training but no one will ever roll hands with you in a fight.
    I was taught to create a gap to be able to chain punch or leg kick and then just deliver as many punches to the head as fast as possible till you've over whelmed them. If your first or second trap doesn't work break contact, back up, and wait for another hole.
    My dad was a Repoman (who completed the entire Wing Chun system from Master Hong in Houston) and taught me later.
    I've become a Fugitive Recovery Agent and so far Wing Chun hasn't failed me yet but he stressed,
    "The point of Wing Chun is to create a hole, bridge the gap, and overwhelm them as fast as possible."
    Even the ground stuff he shows at 3:15
    I was taught to do just that but also press my knee onto their arms to pin them down semi permanently so I can start to chain punch.
    I don't know if he figured it out later or was told how to use it from the start but he use to rag on Wing Chun practitioners that they were to hung up on rolling with the other person.
    I think a serious issue everyone has with Wing Chunks from the users to the watchers is they expect it to look like the training in a real fight.
    The phone booth/toilet joke does have so merit though. Sometimes the fight is between to parked cars or a corner booth of a restaurant and such. Sometimes there is nowhere to go.

  • @minasz
    @minasz 6 років тому +47

    Inosanto, Bruce Lees student says it best. Trapping is more accidently than going for it. Bruce Lee threw most wing chun out at the end of his jkd phylosophy and kept mostly the pak sao and focussing on boxing, wrestling, jiu jiutsu and kicking arts, seen in his books and drawings.

    • @linusverclyte4988
      @linusverclyte4988 6 років тому +8

      And yet he makes his students do stupid forms and waste many hours doing intricate trapping drills that hardly ever work in reality. If he admits they are low chance techniques why bother training them so much? Ironically Dan Inosanto and a lot of his students did what Bruce Lee warned about: turning JKD into a classical mess of its own keeping forms and drills that aren't really functional. It seems history always repreats itself.

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 6 років тому +3

      @130vibes To be fair, people like Inosanto correctly noticed that things Bruce Lee shunned, like Muay Thai, were incredibly effective and had a lot to offer.

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 5 років тому +3

      @130vibes It's been awhile since I read it, but I remember he praised the "actual combat" element of it, but he claimed it wasn't "economical" or scientific, basically employing crude and basic techniques and strategies. Inosanto realized that wasn't true, and it had way more depth than Lee realized.

    • @Eternaprimavera73
      @Eternaprimavera73 5 років тому +2

      @@linusverclyte4988
      And yet he makes his students do stupid forms and waste many hours doing intricate trapping drills >
      yes, because it was Bruce Lee to overemphasize the trapping with his limited understanding of wing chun.
      Normally even in the worses wing chun clubs, people don't spend much time speaking about trapping like in JKD, because the Jun Fan Gung Fu for the most is the Bruce Lee's misunderstanding of wing chun.
      So true that in a book of one of Bruce's students, Yimm Lee, there are the description of possible trappings, which exist only if both use the centerline concept and the wing chun dynamics, but forgetting to say that. So he thought that you can trap whoever in the same way, which of course is wrong.
      In wing chun you do actions that maybe can eventually trap, like a boxer punch that miss the target and become clinch, but not searching for trapping in the 1st case, and not clinch as main strategy of boxing.
      Of course you cannot accidentally trap boxer who follow completely different trajectories with their punches, so you cannot INTERCEPT FISTS in that wing chun accidental way.
      He noticed that he couldn't trap boxers, but instead of saying that trapping was his wrong idea of wing chun ... well you know.
      And you are right, there are forms in the Jun Fan Gung Fu and in JKD. Bruce Lee created also his own form on the wooden dummy, still taught in JKD circles.
      They have just a different concept of form and in how to execute.
      As you say, at the end JKD is just the last new classical mess in which STUDENTS ARE TRAPPED.

    • @Eternaprimavera73
      @Eternaprimavera73 5 років тому +1

      @130vibes I think he put some savate and some muay thay, something he saw bu that nobody taught to him.
      Then he took inspiration, which is OK, but we cannot say he knew these martial arts.
      He put also aikido locks in his tao of JKD, and he didn't sudy even aikido.
      Of course everybody see a muay thai match and understands that it has its own flavor and effectiveness, even if we are not Bruce Lee.

  • @David-wq3dq
    @David-wq3dq 5 років тому +24

    When I was introduced to trapping I was told pretty much exactly this, so yes it does work when you don't expect it to be something it's not. Trapping is about getting a barrier out of the way so you can either strike or clinch. Even if it's done in one step it's still trapping. I strongly believe when it's practiced in a chain it's not meant to imply you will be in a situation where you will need to chain, but building instinct as to which trap to use depending on where you find yourself.

    • @desamster
      @desamster 4 роки тому +1

      Your comment makes a lot of sense 👍

    • @lightlysal
      @lightlysal 4 роки тому +1

      Yes. It's a training exercise, not a real fighting technique. Much like the One-Inch Punch.

    • @jamescollier7360
      @jamescollier7360 4 роки тому +1

      In my opinion the chain is only necessary for someone with the instinct to remove the block but if I trap a punch I’m looking for a choke hold or arm bar submission.

    • @genezysgoncalves5937
      @genezysgoncalves5937 3 роки тому +1

      Thats not how you train with a circunstancional skill. People train in a chain because someone years ago told them to do so it would be applied this way. When I train boxing or muay thai I train the way it should be used and not in a chain.

    • @Taekwon-Brando
      @Taekwon-Brando 3 роки тому

      @@genezysgoncalves5937 that’s like saying shadowboxing/wrestling is useless when in reality it’s the best form of solo training shrug 🤷‍♂️

  • @wchart
    @wchart 5 років тому +79

    So, I'm a WC instructor with a fair amount of experience in Judo, BJJ, and full contact Karate. I also work in a job where violence can occur regularly.
    I agree nearly 100%. Those long sequences are probably best for training, not combat.
    As an aside, WC is awesome in a clinch and in the guard. It just seems like nobody teaches it that way. Everybody wants to play patty cake instead.

    • @daveallen5342
      @daveallen5342 4 роки тому +1

      I'll like it anyway. I d k

    • @wchart
      @wchart 4 роки тому +3

      @@daveallen5342 Then that's awesome! The most important part of your training is you. If you enjoy what your doing then keep doing it, man.
      Honestly, I like it too.

    • @daveallen5342
      @daveallen5342 4 роки тому +4

      @@wchart You're 100 I like Kung Fu not just boxing ... Thai I would like but Kung Fu has more lines in it thai has a lot of good fighting examples.
      Sometimes I do a thai switch kick stance then throw a Kung Fu side kick instead of a round lol.
      But I'm really a reality style reality-ish mma style I'm just not sport style.
      If I furthered my training it would be in Bjj judo or wing chun.
      I already use Shaolin with wing chun and jkd (jun fan) boxing Bjj judo aikido Bjj and even a lot of chin na fingers stuff like I'm better than other people in the chin na wing chun aikido world.
      It really is what you choose to develop.
      I don't know any cool breakdance capoeira or anything.
      I am closer to Kung Fu in the ways I fight than boxing or thai
      But I'm very close to street style also ... And cqc reality.
      I absolutely love how detailed Kung Fu is yet ... It's not because they forget to fight a lot.
      Sure I watch fights.
      But I fought a lot growing up.
      I never forgot.
      I actually beat a thai/ground fighter that was NINETY POUNDS heavier with a bunch of ground and pound for THIRTY MINUTES on a farm who messed with me real fight and that was BEFORE I learned ANY martial arts.
      So.

    • @aceventura2237
      @aceventura2237 4 роки тому

      Is wc worth the time to learn ? I’m looking more for street survival. Don’t wanna be beat by muy Thai or boxing. The kick seems good.

    • @daveallen5342
      @daveallen5342 4 роки тому

      @@aceventura2237 it depends there's tactical theres self defense there's sport ... Striking .. ranges ... Grappling in the way of arm grappling arts clinch grappling arts cloth arts finger arts ...
      Your question didn't single out just one area you said thai ... One thing and street ... Potentially several things etc.
      One thing or many things ... What works best for you takes a little intuition.

  • @honigdachs.
    @honigdachs. 5 років тому +17

    Agree. Trapping works as a simple, transitory motion. Sweep the front hand away / peel off the high guard ---> strike, or slip / short parry and strike, like McGregor does. Also arm/ wrist pulls. Seen all that stuff in K1, MMA, Okinawan Karate, Muay Thai. But the sticky/push hand stuff I think is more a sensitivity drill than something that's actually supposed to be applied in a continuous succession. Nobody's gonna square off and play that game with you.

    • @jamescollier7360
      @jamescollier7360 4 роки тому

      I agree and disagree, though no one is going to willingly square off with you, it is your responsibility to control your opponent when you see the opening, this gentleman didn’t show a continuous flow of motion to maintain control of the opponent. For instance if someone lunges to grab and you rip and pull the person’s arm and you pause and or don’t follow up with maybe a guillotine choke then you give the opponent an opportunity to strike or grapple you but if you quickly apply a guillotine or arm bar then you maintain control. MMA is not the standard for street fighting because street fights have no predictable range because it ain’t like your opponent is going to start 50 feet away from you and let you know he wants to fight you from 50 feet like an octagon fight, he or she maybe in enough range to grab you in which subduing the opponent is much less riskier then backing up and striking.

  • @JKDVIPER
    @JKDVIPER 2 роки тому +1

    2:40 I like it! I do agree mostly.. one problem though.. you had said that the issue with trapping in a stand up is the play back n forth, but on the ground you say it works better.. logical fallacy.. here’s why.. Wing Chun is an attack art.. many are practicing.. many are demonstrating.. many are wrong.. that’s the issue.. truly we would attack your face or body.. we don’t wait for hands.. you’ll either be A. Blocking B. Backing up C. Deflecting but we wouldn’t wait for a punch like that.. what you’re referring too is UA-cam WING CHUN .. stop by or we can talk sometime

  • @Modulus0
    @Modulus0 5 років тому +8

    That is a very good explanation. Instead of just discounting, actually showing fallacies and also where it can/might work .

    • @jamescollier7360
      @jamescollier7360 4 роки тому

      The whole system works when applied correctly because JKD is supposed to be formless but decisive and deadly, no wasted motion or pauses in action, only aggressive flow until the opponent is subdued, he used MMA as a standard but MMA guys will allow themselves to get slammed to apply a choke hold but that’s because they know they are landing on a mat but in a street fight it may be concrete and then what? Me personally I would like to train for the worse case scenarios but I’m taking the easiest road to victory if possible and JKD implies that once in range.

  • @stevenmascarenhas7038
    @stevenmascarenhas7038 5 років тому +10

    Trapping works to an extent. The drills practiced in styles like Wing Chun are there to teach you how to deal with different situations, develop hand speed& co-ordination, build sensitivity and learn how to adapt. Learn the skills & patterns but don’t expect to use the exact same patterns and structures in a real fight.

  • @gfajiujitsu
    @gfajiujitsu 6 років тому +95

    Wing Chun is the undisputed king when it comes to defending yourself in a phonebooth or public toilet.

  • @blackpowderkun
    @blackpowderkun 6 років тому +10

    How about trapping followed by kicks or grapple.

    • @SelfDefenseTutorials
      @SelfDefenseTutorials  6 років тому +4

      Yes, but it depends on what we mean by 'trapping'. If trapping means a single trap/cover/tie-up/clinch then yes, I agree. But if trapping means an extensive sequence of moves - pak sao, lop sao, bill jee, pak sao for example - then I think it hardly ever works!

  • @doubleb222able
    @doubleb222able 4 роки тому +8

    I've always looked at trapping as another training tool, like focus mitts. The best boxers in the world never hit 15-20 hit combos, yet all practice long combos on mitts. The TBA curriculum has long combos no one ever hits. But these are all training tools to condition responses. What does trapping teach? If you're trying to hit the person and they create a barrier, just remove the barrier and keep attacking.

  • @cagedraptor
    @cagedraptor 5 років тому +5

    Bang one move is all you need. So Trapping does work. Linking attacks don't work no matter what style your talking about. You train the links so that if one link isn't strong you move to another link. the thing is, is that each person is different and so are opponents so a paticular tech. works on one person wont on another. The key is to learn a good hand full and adjust during conflict to find the one Bang, one move that will work. So Trapping does work, just not in those long lines or links.

  • @integratedfightingarts
    @integratedfightingarts 6 років тому +11

    I personally think the schools create the differences in martial arts more than the arts themselves do.

    • @streetwisetactics
      @streetwisetactics 5 років тому +1

      That's it, you can have a base art but that can evolve with time

  • @jazzcama
    @jazzcama 6 років тому +7

    I have a background in WingChun, and I think what is said here is 100% correct. But, as is also said, trapping works.... sometimes. It is a transitory technique, and that's how I always understood it during training. The way you train, with various punches following each other, is more a way to train you in recognizing all the situations in which you might be able to use this one technique in just the right situation. Rarely was I able to chain more than 1 trapping defense after another in sparring matches. But that one technique might just the one that allows you to interrupt an attack/connect that one blow, on that intermediate distance WC has made its playground. So, bottom line, like just about every discussion between various styles and techniques: there is a time and place and situation for each martial arts technique out there.
    I've benefited from my background in WC during sparring matches in my current style Japanese JiuJitsu. Investigate everything and keep whatever works for you. There are no superior styles or techniques, there are only superior (or lucky) fighters who manage to execute a technique that perfectly fits the situation.
    So yeah, great video. Keep up the good work.

    • @YamamotoKazuo
      @YamamotoKazuo 5 років тому

      make it simple, take Bruce Lee's words" Wing Chun is most effective in the bathroom". You can go wrong with what Bruce Lee says

  • @Mantisboxers
    @Mantisboxers 4 роки тому +1

    Good video! Dead on. Consistent flaws in wing chun chi sau and taiji tui shou - drills used to gain a skill were cemented in place and used treated as the predominant fighting methods of those styles.

  • @leeturner8023
    @leeturner8023 4 роки тому +1

    Yeh, I recall my wing chun training early 90s, and was thinking (even at 14), ‘I don’t feel this would work against a very fast, powerful puncher’. We generally don’t have the perception speed to deal with a flurry of punches that take a split second to land. That was my concern.

  • @SoldierDrew
    @SoldierDrew 6 років тому +5

    Wing Tsun kunfa, as taught by sifu Keith Fain of Clarksville TN, trapping and bridging worked well in prison cells for dealing with incoming punches at extreme close quarters where lack of space prevents the sports method of bouncing in & out or circling the opponent/attacker. It was merely 'one' tool to deal with incoming strikes from larger, stronger, men so one bridge incoming arms to quickly get into grappling/jujitsu/judo range. Standing in one spot doing multiple trapping sequences in real combat...never happens. Standing in extreme close quarters in a tiny prison cell trying to use ring boxing or kick boxing...never happens. Especially against men much larger, stronger, than oneself whom have grown up being beating since childhood by grown men with bare knuckles, in dysfunctional families or cultures. But Wing Tsun Kunfa, as taught by Keith Fain sifu, never stands in one spot trapping like most Wing Chun styles. It utilizes a forward pressure, step-drag, fencing method of attacking the opponent's legs and hips with one's own hips/legs, constantly shuffling forward, off balancing them the moment that you bridge or trap their first two strikes to achieve clench range. In a ring, cage, rec. yard or parking lot where they can use evasive footwork it's not effective against skilled boxer or kick-boxer where they can run from your simultaneous high/low forward pressure which facilitates kuzushi. In a prison cell, the ability to use forward pressure to bridge, trap or pass the first two incoming strikes or attempts to grab & hold facilitates temporarily hemming up their weapons (arms) just long enough for you to attain clench range to transition to Wrestling, Judo or JiuJitsu to drop them onto the concrete or bounce their head off the concrete wall or steel bunk & steel toilet jack. In the pseudo-street fight with open space, a sporting ring or any open area Wing Tsun KunFa takes a back seat to western counter-boxing methods. In a confined, extremely small, concrete and steel prison cell as one finds in U.S. prisons where combat is pretty much toe-to-toe and no room for evasive footwork Wing Tsun KunFa (kunfa not kungfu) as taught by Keith Fain sifu is effective for bridging and temporarily trapping the first two attacks so one can attain clench range and transition to grappling attacks. #DontGetIntoStreetConflicts #PrisonIsHellOnEarth #GladiatorSchool #WhenHellBecomesYourHomeByAuthorNCognito.

  • @gavinvonmeyer3746
    @gavinvonmeyer3746 5 років тому +3

    Bruce Lee always demonstrated in his fight scenes when to use Trapping & Win Chun very effectively for short explosive bursts and then boom with a kick. Or, like when he had Chuck Norris' back against the wall.

  • @tomreed5743
    @tomreed5743 5 років тому +8

    I have used pak sao, lop sao , bong sao and fok sao in real fights , but it’s always once and it’s always brief , this guy is spot on .

  • @dalmatianroyalist9326
    @dalmatianroyalist9326 5 років тому +4

    As a WC guy, I agree.

  • @DamianProsa
    @DamianProsa 5 років тому +2

    You're very right about the momentary nature of trapping, as well as the important role distance plays in its employment.
    Of course you won't see multiple trapping combos in quick succession. Why do people expect that?
    Like you don't see multiple spinning kicks Boyka style or the exact same 10 strike boxing combinations you do in practice.
    EVERYTHING is a one off movement. Every art's application goes back to the basics. 1 strike knockout. It's always the fundamentals that are shown in practical application. In training you make the fundamentals more complex to give you flow in training, to put multiple scenarios and options in one drill that works them all.
    The multiple trapping moves in rapid succession is a training drill. The application is just one of them, maybe two.
    Your objective is to hit, not to trap. You only trap momentarily when an obstacle obstructs you from hitting.

  • @michaelw7867
    @michaelw7867 6 років тому +16

    He apparently thinks that trapping is used continuously in a fight because this is often how it is seen in movies and because people practice it in a continuous fashion. But actually, it's intended to used instantly, exactly as he describes it being used in MMA. He just doesn't understand the difference between training form to develop the skill, and fighting application of the skill. It's a common error that people make regarding many things in traditional styles. Mistaking training form for combat application is like saying push-ups don't work in a real fight. The push-up is a strength building exercise, not a fighting form. Trapping hands is an exercise to train you to instantly and instinctively trap, hit, and flow with the opponent's movement, not to just repetitively stand there doing the same thing over and over again as you would in practice. Sometimes even modern day students of these styles don't seem to understand these distinctions. Much has been lost of the traditional styles in the transition to modern times.

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 5 років тому +2

      Did William Cheung and Emin Boztepe forget those fundamentals too? Not much trapping when those two Wing Chun masters fought...

    • @michaelw7867
      @michaelw7867 5 років тому +2

      @@TheChiconspiracy Watch the fight video more closely. Even on the ground, a majority of punches were blocked by trapping. Mutual trapping was why the fight went nowhere and both men walked away without serious injury.

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 5 років тому +1

      @@michaelw7867 Trapping... nothing like taught by wing chun, but more like amateurish wrestling. Not a pak sao, tan sao, lop sao, or fook sao in sight.

    • @michaelw7867
      @michaelw7867 5 років тому +2

      @@TheChiconspiracy You see wrestling, I see trapping. The techniques look different on the ground, but the arms were trapped, and counter punching was attempted but trapped in turn.

    • @superfoot53
      @superfoot53 4 роки тому

      I agree with you 100%. What he is doing is just the form.This guy here talking about trapping in combat is so pathetic.

  • @kuksoolwonninja
    @kuksoolwonninja 6 років тому +1

    Great video, I used to do wing chun, jkd, and lots of kung fu. So many people are still delusional when it comes to their real ability to apply their skills under pressure it's embarrassing. I think videos that really show you the reasons why something is realistic or not and not just say "this is bullshit just because I say so" are really important and help elevate the level of the martial arts as a whole.
    That being said the concepts, the mobility/movement training, flexibility benefits that came from traditional training, really helped speed up my progress in jiu-jitsu and kickboxing. Traditional arts and combat sports really do compliment each other if you have an open but discerning mind.
    The reason jiu jitsu players are good at discerning what works and what doesn't is that they do it every minute of every class/training session. For example, "why isn't this choke working? Well, it looks like there's too much space here so when I squeeze it doesn't close the gap, or my grips are of which causes the whole thing to go out the window, oh wait I can switch my position(s) and save this choke, time to switch to a different technique and catch them off guard, damn I'm off by an inch and now this lock is not working". That would go through a grapplers mind and be executed within seconds and I'm not over exaggerating. There is a constant phase of trial and error, where the margin of error gets smaller and smaller with every training session. This gives a very useful lens to look through for any martial arts when discerning how and why techniques work. Does it mean all jiu jitsu guys are right all the time about every martial art? Short answer is no. Nobody is right all the time.
    Going back to the contents of the video, this is exactly how I utilize trapping from xing yi and wing chun under pressure. I'll quick parry or pull an incoming punch to start off a striking combination or use it when I am in someone's guard for ground and pound, and it works pretty well against most people. Obviously, if you use it all the time, people will start to catch on and counter. Give it a try (or 100 tries realistically before you really get it).

  • @Turtlesage-km9ef
    @Turtlesage-km9ef 6 років тому +2

    He brings up the hardest point to dispute, and what I think most martial arts have trouble answering, and that is distance control. I have done TKD, Kuk Sool Won in the past and now do Karate and BJJ and, honestly, none of them (even BJJ the way it usually taught) have a super effective way of controlling distance on the feet, that goes to wrestling and judo. The others are super specialized for very specific areas. I think its fair to say the issue with Wing Chun is that the optimum distance is barely present in any type of fight.

    • @SelfDefenseTutorials
      @SelfDefenseTutorials  6 років тому

      I would argue that boxing, kickboxing, muay thai and taekwondo are very good at controlling range on the feet within their rule sets. Start adding in clinching and it's really only MMA training that helps you with mixing the clinching and striking ranges

    • @Turtlesage-km9ef
      @Turtlesage-km9ef 6 років тому +1

      @@SelfDefenseTutorials very fair point about within the rulesets. I personally know the frustration of trying to point spar a guy who seems to have legs as long as I am tall. I agree about MMA. Do you think cross training is as effective a way to learn as a dedicated MMA?

    • @TheTails63
      @TheTails63 6 років тому

      It all comes down to WHO is doing the technique.

  • @volodavolodovic4770
    @volodavolodovic4770 6 років тому

    great explanation. very open-minded. the point related to traditional arts is that they were/are supposed to work in the context of aggression, which does not bother to be hidden (without feints).

  • @TheLockon00
    @TheLockon00 5 років тому

    Awesome. I just had a super long debate with the guy who made that "Tony Fergusson uses Wing Chun in MMA" vid. Very fucking tedious. Glad you put this out there.

  • @IzzoWingChun
    @IzzoWingChun 2 роки тому

    Great video. MOST all Wing Chun does not know the "why" of trapping or the "how" to apply it. Reality seems to wake people up.

  • @woffordswaymartialartschar5541
    @woffordswaymartialartschar5541 5 років тому +1

    That's exactly right you're a very good teacher and very good very explanatory very similar to my style

  • @jadewanderer
    @jadewanderer 9 місяців тому

    I think that Wing Chun is all about those once-off trapping movements as it always intends to end the fight quickly. It's also meant for spaces where movement would be not feasible, like when you waist deep in water, in a cramped space or on the ground.

  • @Otherverse1
    @Otherverse1 Рік тому

    What about if when they try to grab you move back and if they move back you advance? Doesnt seem unthinkable to imagine a scenario where someone is skillful within this range and able to seek and hold onto it. Or if they do quick engage and disengage over and over.

  • @linusverclyte4988
    @linusverclyte4988 6 років тому +2

    Nice explanation. I always found it strange that JKD incorporated much from functional styles like boxing and judo yet kept trapping as an extensive part of the curriculum at least in the Inosanto lineage. My guess is that it's mostly a marketing trick: something that sets them apart from other MMA-type schools.
    Great point about distance making it virtually impossible to do compound trapping. That being said if distance isn't available like in a confined space it could still be useful the same way as on the ground. What do you think?

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 5 років тому

      Did Inosanto keep much trapping? I know Lee himself had dropped a lot of it by the end.

    • @Dan.50
      @Dan.50 4 роки тому

      Pretty sure Bruce would have eliminated it all together had he not passed so soon. But as to why so many kept it going? I'm guessing that it acts much like kata or forms in that it lets you keep milking your students while not really teaching them anything.

  • @brayenstekkel7185
    @brayenstekkel7185 4 роки тому

    So, BJJ and wing chun are a good combination?

  • @notsureawake3981
    @notsureawake3981 2 роки тому

    Consider using these traps from the bottom of closed guard as deflections into the arm drag when accompanied by a knee pull, forcing them into the hand fight. If the closed guard grip fight is a slow version of striking, these same movements can be applied. Especially the cross wrist catch to drag, but others also to some extent. The focus is on beating the elbow. And the strikes are instead making grips or frame breaking using grips. Same goes for karate 8 point blocking. The movements are minimized but I think this is a great concept for closed guard, forcing the opponent into an initial deflection and gripping system.

  • @worldclass64
    @worldclass64 5 років тому +1

    I agree, single action traps you will see at times its compound trapping which you do not see .

  • @Docinaplane
    @Docinaplane 5 років тому +1

    Well said! I use those two basic WC moves in sparring, but that it. When in that range I go to boxing/karate striking.

  • @matthewlawrence7056
    @matthewlawrence7056 6 років тому +1

    Good video! Trapping as a tool is definitely interesting but not a tool to use all the time.
    Leo Fong with Chinese Trap boxing has boxing fundamentals with some trapping into boxing combos mixed in. Funny enough he was one of the dudes who trained Bruce Lee and made him move more towards boxing.
    It's one of my big criticisms of lots of FMA guys is that without blades the need for trapping is greatly reduced. Stick Grappling is almost always done poorly if taught at all. Most sparring you don't even have distance management and evasion either.
    I know this video was about empty hands fighting but the criticism is equally valid to lots of stickfighters

  • @AZTigerMMA
    @AZTigerMMA 4 роки тому

    Well said coach !!!!!!!!! During a crash maybe on the ground maybe - 10-20% of your “fight game “ keep it in mind

  • @alittlepuertoricanboy1993
    @alittlepuertoricanboy1993 6 років тому +9

    One can just as easily say that the trapping isn't even lap sau but is actually karate's hikite, that still means nothing.
    Great video as always, Coaches Kestang and Yip. Can't wait for more!

    • @StudentInFrance
      @StudentInFrance 6 років тому

      Was about to mention Karate hikite, unfortunately it's only properly practiced in some old Okinawan styles. In modern Japanese styles it has devolved into a simple parry.

    • @safdarkh786
      @safdarkh786 6 років тому

      Hikite is pulling hand

    • @alittlepuertoricanboy1993
      @alittlepuertoricanboy1993 5 років тому

      @tmWasted You're taking something rhetorical that I said way too seriously and out of context, you're missing the point. The point was that fighting is fighting and some situations call for various things, including hand trapping. That doesn't mean it's Wing Chun or karate, it means it's fighting.

  • @erickeegan5999
    @erickeegan5999 5 років тому

    one thing to consider is that it depends on where the trapping is happening. in a narrow hall way or in a nightclub could work.

  • @one-single-strike
    @one-single-strike 5 років тому

    Of course is better to block like in a classic boxe, than to grape like in Wing Chun, but to pratictise Wing Chun thecniques frequently help in a fight. A complete martial artist to consider everything...

  • @lucanap1650
    @lucanap1650 3 роки тому +1

    I see trapping like an exercise , It develops reflexes , speed and if you train to apply shock to unbalance the opponent even better solution. Trapping Is not a fight but each single sequenze could be a part of a fight depending on circunstances.

  • @berningsandwiches2662
    @berningsandwiches2662 5 років тому +2

    Tony Ferguson uses trapping successfully in his fights.

  • @Alckemy
    @Alckemy Рік тому

    The one thing that makes all this work is that trapping should be a byproduct of hitting. When you are unsuccessful and someone gives you and obstruction then the traps will find themselves.
    If you are thinking trap instead of hit you’re going to get a rude awakening

  • @stevebrindle1724
    @stevebrindle1724 5 років тому

    I did 12 yrs of wing chun, 15 yrs of TKD and now train in Shotokan so i have good experience and i could not agree more with this. Trapping range is very temporary. Well said sir!

  • @RobRivShowsLive01
    @RobRivShowsLive01 3 роки тому +1

    Great Eye Opening Information, Just Great!!!

  • @redsnflr
    @redsnflr 2 роки тому

    Vasily Lomachenko in boxing & Anderson Silva in MMA are two great examples of practical handtraps in combat sports, with The Spider having trained in Kung-Fu before & using it in his boxing fights too.

  • @TheJoyofCatholicTradition
    @TheJoyofCatholicTradition 4 роки тому

    Ive only made a classical bong sao lop sao work one time & that was probably due to the fact my opponent had never seen that. Im not sure if it would work multiple times. The technique from WC ive had most positive results is using the cross punching drill but instead of trading blows, i intercept the first while stepping to the outside & landing the straight right.

  • @lawrencedroman
    @lawrencedroman 5 років тому

    Wow! You are amazing. Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t know you were an expert in Wing Chun too.

  • @happymonster9098
    @happymonster9098 2 роки тому

    This is so accurate. I trained different martial arts included the wing Chun trapping. I was never able to pull it in a high intensity sparring. However, I was able to make the part of the trappings you explained.
    I think hand trapping is a great tool but the drills from wing Chun are wrong. If I ever teach someone how to do that I will make my own drills doing only the movement that works. There is no point in wasting time in the part of the drill that doesn't.

  • @deceptivepanther
    @deceptivepanther 6 років тому +6

    Debunking videos had their time when UA-cam was new. Surely that time has passed: we all know what the UFC is and plenty of BJJ is itself quite esoteric. Nobody is disagreeing with this video's excellent content; but can we please stop framing things in terms of other people being wrong because BJJ is always right? It puts you in danger of simply repeating the same pattern of behavior of those you seek to criticise.

    • @TheMegaEggers
      @TheMegaEggers 6 років тому +3

      Those were great times though, the nerds who did mystical martial arts in highschool always had an excuse when it was time to trade blows so it was nice to see them debunked with evidence.

    • @deceptivepanther
      @deceptivepanther 6 років тому +1

      @@TheMegaEggers Yeah, I agree: being able to see video from instructors the world over really changed the game.

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 5 років тому +2

      @@TheMegaEggers It's still tremendously satisfying to watch someone standing on a mountain of untested dogma meet reality.

  • @joebyrd9141
    @joebyrd9141 6 років тому +9

    It works for me in kick boxing, so I hope it's a practice that dies and I'm one of the few that can apply. Makes no difference to me 🤣

    • @SelfDefenseTutorials
      @SelfDefenseTutorials  6 років тому +2

      When you say it works for you - do you mean isolated pak saos and lop saos here and there, or do you mean extensive 2, 3, 4 move trapping combos?

    • @TheChiconspiracy
      @TheChiconspiracy 5 років тому +1

      @@SelfDefenseTutorials When I did WC well over a decade ago, I was desperately hoping someone could make it work even in sparring against someone with even rudimentary boxing footwork. I'm still waiting.

    • @DamianProsa
      @DamianProsa 5 років тому

      @@TheChiconspiracy Just posted a video on this, sparring with a Tae Kwon Do black belt. You might find it interesting. I'd love to hear what you think

  • @Rooted-Up
    @Rooted-Up 3 роки тому +1

    Filipino martial arts usually attack in 3's. Every art strings along techniques off of the opponent's reaction. It's the mindset when training that matters. Mma isn't a street fight. Bjj isn't a street fight. Winning by any means necessary is a fight.

  • @donnchadhmcginley3153
    @donnchadhmcginley3153 5 років тому +1

    Yes it works ..depending on circumstance

  • @blackenskatography9928
    @blackenskatography9928 4 роки тому

    my understanding is that JKD under ted wong lineage WC trap or WC shit almost no more, mostly fencing & boxing stuff for interception.

  • @edwardtsang7348
    @edwardtsang7348 Рік тому

    That’s convincing. Thanks for the analysis!

  • @Re-Destro
    @Re-Destro 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for this one. I'm also a Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do practitioner but do not teach trapping, I might show it only for historical purposes since I believe it doesn't work, so I teach more boxing oriented punching.

  • @bradford5681
    @bradford5681 2 роки тому

    If train Wing Chun with actual sparring vs people who know how to punch and clinch you actually get good at working the preferred range for trapping, but trapping sequences shouldn't even be necessary because then you aren't focused on punching, kicking, elbows and knees.

  • @metalbag8874
    @metalbag8874 5 років тому +1

    Thank you for this video, I've always been wondering about when trapping would work

    • @bluez4u2
      @bluez4u2 5 років тому

      If a person goes looking for a trap, then it will fail. People don't understand how wing chun works.

  • @taylorbee4010
    @taylorbee4010 2 роки тому

    I feel the ex sensitivity might HELP learning wrestling and clinching. Bjj to me feels like trapping, just with your whole body and lying on your back

  • @marcusfreemantle3938
    @marcusfreemantle3938 4 роки тому

    As a former wing chun instructor my self with good boxing experience and some bjj, wing chun is a excellent training system, which fits in to any art ie, wing chun in the style of boxing or bjj , but wing chun is not a fighting art on its own for sport and promotes bad exposure to your chin also mobility for foot work.

  • @markmessi9020
    @markmessi9020 3 роки тому

    The best trap from wing Chun is ironically the bong sau. It's a strong elbow frame in boxing and is basically the same shit in wing Chun. Nobody ever talks about it but Silva and Poirier use this shit in their fighting alot

  • @quinngiles7080
    @quinngiles7080 6 років тому

    Not sure if this is the same but I like the thumbless grip trap when standing
    Commonly seen with standing headlock strike defense know what I mean??? I find if you trap an arm like that even if you only use one hand it's usually stuck unless buddy's arm your trapping is a huge guy!!!

  • @CykelSierra
    @CykelSierra 5 років тому +1

    Trapping without strong adherence is mostly useless

  • @avenewconsulting1118
    @avenewconsulting1118 3 роки тому

    if you dont have place, like in a club, it works, in a club it difficult to do a take down, single leg....

  • @Taekwon-Brando
    @Taekwon-Brando 3 роки тому

    Trapping in Muay Thai is very effective and Muay Thai transitions into street fighting stunningly well soooooo trapping is legit IMO I have pulled a lot of wing chun shit off sparring in Muay Thai and even hand fighting in wrestling/bjj which is essentially just the “patty cake” phase anyways and those are the two most effective grappling arts. Trapping isn’t a situation you put yourself in, it’s a situation that you fall into. Your counterpunch game will be immaculate if you practice boxing and wing chun

  • @OscarLegendario
    @OscarLegendario 4 роки тому

    It is quite obvious that Wing Chun sequences are only for training and gaining skill. Any Wing Chun teacher who tells you otherwise is a fake.

  • @thebladedwind993
    @thebladedwind993 5 років тому

    Trapping is meant to train contact reflexes. It's not meant to be a long sequence while fighting. It's ONE motion. Pak dar/Lop dar/Tan dar. Its not 3-4 moves in one instance. It's not a sequence. It's a moment in time.

  • @aaronjimenez9684
    @aaronjimenez9684 6 років тому +1

    Those trappings are not really meant to go non stop the way I see and understand it. What you do in the gym or dojo are repetitions for the purpose of practice so the body will remember the techniques so when needed your body will react without thinking. (kinda like ultra instinct.😄)
    So to expect in real life or combat to execute multiple trappings is not right since real fight is different from practice and the movies.

  • @charlesdourado8292
    @charlesdourado8292 5 років тому +1

    I totally agree with everything you said it's one move hit and that's it

  • @armitagesoulshroude9815
    @armitagesoulshroude9815 5 років тому

    No: If there is a person who knows how to control their balance and movement and have been trained regarding this fact. Or someone who is aware of what you're doing without such disciplinary training, by instinct. Yes: If you can trick them into thinking that they've no control over you via manipulation or other tactical standards, or they just don't know how to fight. Yada and period.

  • @WingChunEcuador
    @WingChunEcuador 5 років тому +1

    Just say u don’t lock for trapping it just happens the way we train is just to develop some hablities not to fight trying to do it jajaj but u know most of people don’t understand what they do specially in wc

  • @botanicalbiohacking6065
    @botanicalbiohacking6065 4 роки тому

    Kung fu guy here: over 20 years of training. He's telling no lies.

  • @matkasim
    @matkasim 3 роки тому

    every wing chun people shoukld watch this, esp minute 1:47 tqvm superb info

  • @jorgegallego9672
    @jorgegallego9672 2 роки тому

    I train jkd and I ended up here after some time of noticing how the type of trapping you have shown here is useful in sparring and how the rest is almost impossible to do for me.
    I think we jkd practitioners should modify the way we train trapping to learn only what works and practice it in a simpler way

  • @birage9885
    @birage9885 2 роки тому

    Many of these trapping drills are 'flow' drills, to get you to respond in micro-seconds to a strike, a block, or a trap being applied to you. It doesn't mean that it is going to go down that way in a fight. It is training to develop quickness, explosiveness, etc. Training isn't always suppose to replicate a real fight, it is there to train what to do in a real fight. Trapping does work. But, I agree that usually it is just a one trap move.

  • @leorosa
    @leorosa 5 років тому +1

    i think his observation on the application of trapping in real fight or in mma is accurate.

  • @Blindstoic
    @Blindstoic 5 років тому

    Rules matter and certain techniques work better with certain rules. A lot of BJJ and wrestling don’t translate well to mma for example.

  • @outofthebox7
    @outofthebox7 6 років тому +15

    Sure some wing chun moves work, in fact THEY ALL DO UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. Same is true for all moves from all systems. Sure sometimes they are best used in a "clunky" manner, but this is true for all jujitsu moves/grappling as well. I mean it's a fight, not a video game or a movie; techniques must adapt.
    The sets you did in the beginning and kept showing after are actually just drills to develop sensitivity and understanding of in fighting (distance, posture etc.); no one says that that's exactly how they will come out in a fight or that they can be used in all distances.
    I have to add here that I find it flabbergasting that so many jujitsu people think they are somehow in a superior position to dictate what can or can't be done in a fight and that on behalf of other systems; people have been properly using their martial art/s long before jujitsu entered the scene and of course will keep doing so.

    • @jakeylee6
      @jakeylee6 6 років тому +8

      The way wing chun is trained isn't super useful for a fight though. And this is a self defense channel to give you the most realistic techniques to use and explain why some things are just not useful for the average street fight or whatever.
      I've been to a few wing chun classes and sparred with wing chun guys too. I shut down all their techniques with basic level judo. So with my experience I'd have to completely agree with what Stephan is saying.
      There are many better things to practice if you want to be able to fight.

    • @jakeylee6
      @jakeylee6 6 років тому +2

      @@coldlessons I'd say having gloves would make trapping easier?

    • @jakeylee6
      @jakeylee6 6 років тому +6

      @@coldlessons
      Stephan's video was solely on if trapping works in a fight and the answer was mostly no. That's it.
      It has nothing to do with what kind of fight it is.
      As he explained you'd generally have two options, move away, or move towards.
      However trapping did somewhat work against a grounded opponent.
      I'd also like to point out that most TMA people have never been in a fight or done any serious sparring against a skilled opponent. Hence why they chat BS like wing chun

    • @outofthebox7
      @outofthebox7 6 років тому

      @@jakeylee6 Yes, the problem with ma systems is mostly the way they train. This is where he should have put his weight on, not on the techniques themselves. Having said that, every student, especially one trained in other ma, practices on his own and has his own character and way of thinking and his own strive to be a capable and competant fighter at least for self defense. He knows he has to make those moves work, it doesn't finish at the dojo, never. In doing this, by rule he will still be able to use many of what he learned in a fight. How effective he will be depends on him and the attacker, but it's better than doing nothing. I mean everybody learns a kick, a punch, a push, a throw. If he put enough practice into those, and has SPUNK in him, he will use them. Will he survive the fight? Most likely, even he doesn't win. Most attackers are not experienced, so all martial arts are helpful.
      Now you taking down a wing chun student in a class using judo is easy, but it means nothing actually, in the sense that there was never an attempt to punch your face off or kick you in the knee, so all you have to do is keep going at him and eventualy he will get tired and get tossed or pushed/thrown. Sadly sparring with them is nonsense. Take an experienced streefighter however from this same school that has at least 1-2 years of practice and understands the basics enough and ask him for a real fight where he will be in danger, well then the story will possibly be a different one.
      If the video is about self defense, why not promote what is good in other systems as self defense or only from your own system? Why get into things he doesn't seem to understand (although he has dealt with wing chun practice as he said)?
      I think jujitsu people have issues deriving from misconception about the street and even their own system, and other systems (especially with so many dojos around that should be closed).

    • @outofthebox7
      @outofthebox7 6 років тому +1

      @@coldlessons Yep. Sadly this is the jujitsu virus.

  • @charleshurst1015
    @charleshurst1015 5 років тому

    Very cool! I love trapping, and you've just explained why it's not used as much. New ideas for BJJ!!

  • @bohu9522
    @bohu9522 2 роки тому

    As someone who trains WC so much, I'm surprised you use MMA to determine whether WC works. The padding on MMA gloves makes all these combinations and wrist grabs virtually impossible to execute, so of course it becomes just single moves with no follow ups? Use empty hands and its much easier to do.

    • @demsandlibsareswinecancer4667
      @demsandlibsareswinecancer4667 10 місяців тому

      Why would you be surprised? Basically every martial art practitioner who claims to be a master in China has had their ass handed to them by a Chinese MMA fighter over and over again. No matter Kung fu, wing chun, karate, it does not matter. It was over in seconds. China was so mad that they ruined his social credit score so he couldn't even travel anymore. The Chinese people were furious that he laid bare the reality of their precious martial arts.😂

  • @dascookie6767
    @dascookie6767 Рік тому

    If you do karate this would just be an entrance for a clinch. I think wing chuns problem ist they dont take it a step further in to that.

  • @joedasilva3866
    @joedasilva3866 5 років тому

    Excellent lesson 😎👊💪

  • @ThePirucho77
    @ThePirucho77 5 років тому +1

    good technique but only for hollywood movies

  • @raymondramallo601
    @raymondramallo601 6 років тому +3

    Sorry to all the bruce lee fans out their who want to believe in their hearts trapping works, it just simply dosent work in a cage or in a street fight under resistsnce. It works only in static and how do i know this i trained jkd fir a long time thats why i left and now only train in arts that have resistance : bjj, wrestling, boxing etc. Drills that are done in static with no resistance will never work against an opponent with aggression.

    • @SelfDefenseTutorials
      @SelfDefenseTutorials  6 років тому +2

      To be fair, a lot of JKD people have figured this out as well now and have started including much more MMA-oriented techniques in their training

    • @raymondramallo601
      @raymondramallo601 6 років тому

      Yes absolutely to be fair, it's 2019 u have to know what is going on in martial arts with respect to what works and what dosent under pressure and resistance. People are still training in static with no understanding that timing only comes from resistance training never from static training.

    • @bougeac
      @bougeac 6 років тому

      Spot on Ray, better to work on developing a solid clinch game than spending hours on trapping drills. I’ve studied wing chun for a long time and do use some trapping (not much) the lineage I study focus a lot on pressure testing and punching/striking quickly into clinch range where a lot of the art actually works very well. Arm drags/two on ones/under over hooks etc are all in the art and by exposing oneself to other standup close range arts like Greco/judo my understanding of my Wc has deepened and improved my application of it

    • @linusverclyte4988
      @linusverclyte4988 6 років тому

      @@bougeac So you're basically doing wrestling and call it WC. Whatever works for you. I always find it strange that people try to rehabilitate esoteric, superflous arts by incorporating techniques from other arts that actually work and then claim they were always in the art to begin with. If these old masters didn't practice it that way it's clear there's nothing more than a superficial resemblance and projection on your part. Of course it's understandable people don't want to admit they've wasted years training an art that only has very limited applicability in actual fighting. If pac sao and lap sao are the only techniques that are truly effective why bother to learn all the forms and drills?

    • @bougeac
      @bougeac 6 років тому

      Wing chun has many clinch/wrestling techniques within it. Second form Chum Kiu is designed for short bridge fighting. Just because you’re understanding of wing chun is limited doesn’t mean it doesn’t contain these things. It’s not just pak da/ lap da and chain punching

  • @mattbugg4568
    @mattbugg4568 5 років тому

    Your doing long fist, which works too, when you lap da look at your pak as a forearm, crush the structure of the elbow to a arm pin, then shove the opponent off line with your forearm jamb, that's the structure of 2nd form wing chun, you can gang sau the calapsed arm and palm strike punch the gate and switch sides, or elbow the neck same way your structure is bong sau over the arm, then look at bill jee it is the attacks from this structure, all three forms are teaching part of the whole. By the way this is by far the best video I have seen. Your work is well researched you just missed jong

  • @cleavernamehere
    @cleavernamehere 6 років тому

    Anderson Silva vs Israel Adesanya @ UFC 234 ?

    • @SelfDefenseTutorials
      @SelfDefenseTutorials  6 років тому

      If you watch the video again I think you'll see that I agree that trapping can work as a one-off move. But extensive trapping combinations usually don't work, and didn't exist at UFC 234

  • @massivojohnson
    @massivojohnson 6 років тому +4

    HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS STEPHAN!!!! BLASPHEMY!

  • @Hythloday71
    @Hythloday71 6 років тому

    what is it called when you put your 'butterfly guard' feet on the insight of the thighs of the guy on top and push, this was a neat move i learned and never forgot from Judo in my youth. I'm surprised not to see it in the self defence vids. Is it not so good after all ? I went on to Karate and boxing in my late teens.

  • @scottyg5403
    @scottyg5403 5 років тому

    Excellent video!Thanks

  • @VenturiLife
    @VenturiLife 2 роки тому

    Excellent, trapping looks amazing, but need to see the practicality. If it worked in MMA I guess they'd be doing it all the time. You exhibited the practicality of it here, no extended duels as it's not going to work on an experienced fighter.

  • @paradox636
    @paradox636 5 років тому

    But couldn’t I say that a about boxing and Muay Thai? Don’t they move in and out?

    • @paradox636
      @paradox636 5 років тому

      Not to mention, mma guys aren’t trying to do that level of trapping yet, it’s slowly been added over the past few years and so too has blocking/parries. It like how they didn’t believe front kicks worked until Anderson Silva front kick, or should I quote the famous “so we are doing spinning shit now”. MMA has thought it figured it all out back in ufc 1 and has been proven wrong ever since, how many martial arts have been deemed ineffective I honestly believe trapping will become a big thing in the future of mma, but they will call it Muay Thai trapping...

  • @baldieman64
    @baldieman64 2 роки тому

    Wing Chun is like Aikido. It's an exploration of an idea rather than a complete martial art.

  • @statmandemps1154
    @statmandemps1154 5 років тому

    I want that joker rash guard

  • @joesoap1960
    @joesoap1960 4 роки тому

    Yeap...i agree with you

  • @chvhndrtntlr3482
    @chvhndrtntlr3482 6 місяців тому

    Yeah for me every traditional martial arts is kinda good in small part of their teaching, but unfortunately their practitioner forgot that they can't be the answer to all combat situation
    1. Muaythai: good with powerful roundhouse, elbow, knee, and standing clinch, and sweep. Weak at boxing/punches, the defend since they stand too tall and too boxed, and they also not get used to high intensity attack
    2. Boxing: good at punching head movement, evasion, footwork. Weak at everything else
    3. BJJ: good at ground work, lock, choke, but not perfect at take down, boxing, kicking and anything else
    4. Wingchun: good at traping while in constan close distance and attack at clinching range, bad at everything else
    5. Karate: good at overall, bad at protecting the head and high intensity combat
    7. Taekwondo: good at tricking with legs, bad at everything else
    8. Capoeira: good at powerful spinning kick and feinting, bad at the techniques because it is too telegraphic.
    9. Silat: good at neutralize the enemy, bad at fighting in legal condition
    10. Wrestling, judo, sambo: good at take down opponent, bad at everything else
    11. MMA: good at overall and the most close to rela life situation combat, but bad at detailing of the attack and defend in specific situation

  • @Taekwon-Brando
    @Taekwon-Brando 3 роки тому

    It was kinda intended to be a “one off” movement, you just don’t know what the purpose of the drill even is. Thats like shrimping in bjj and not knowing what you’re even shrimping for, pretty much what you’re preaching

  • @harimau1115
    @harimau1115 5 років тому

    Trapping is actually a momentary thing. Not trap after trap until someone shuts down. That's only for training and the movies. This is why Bruce Lee elimimated much of the trapping in JKD by around 1969.