It looks like I wasn't clear enough in the video, but Dazzler was whitewashed when Bo Derek was approached to play her in the live action movie. That's my bad for not being specific about it.
Dazzler was always white and had different powers between the main & ultimate universes, besides they’ve plenty black characters in comics now, so what’s the matter?!
Well we did get Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park, which also has Kiss as superheroes. I vaguely remember watching it once. It was about what you'd expect.
As created by Shooter, this is the perfect terribly cheeseball 70's made-for-TV movie. I can feel the anticipation eclipsing the wait for the Captain America 'films' or Hulk movies!
Dazzler is very underrated, she is actually one of the most powerful mutants. She defeated a herald of Galactus, can move faster than light and can solidify light and use them as weapons. She can absorb sound and turn it into a destructive light power. Also the Beyonder chose her and gave her half of his power and she became a goddess, just saying how cool her character is
@@K1ng1995 yeah,that was in the 80s I think. But I believe Rogue is far more powerful and dangerous now. She also has the power of Wonder Man and now she can control her absorbing power. But Dazzler is definitely a high level threat. Her oneshot comic was weird but very good too, took on Dr Strange, Enchantress and then Klaw. She also obliterates Galactus, dont know how...
@Caleb Mayfield I mean, they had big plans for her, didn't work out, then they put in the X-Men comics for a long while, then she was rumored to have a cameo in X-Men Apocalypse but was only given an Easter Egg mention in a deleted scene of said movie, then finally making her appearance in a mediocre X-Men movie hardly anyone talks about or remembers.
Even though this movie sounds like it would’ve been an absolute disaster, I absolutely would LOVE to see it. It sounds so outlandish that there 0 way it would be good
This pitch makes the Peter Frampton/Bee Gees "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" movie seem mundane by comparison! And that's a movie whose resolution consists of a golden weather vane turning into Billy Preston, who abracadabras Frampton from jumping off a tall building, abracadabras his love interest back to life, and abracadabras all the villains into members of the Clergy! I legitimately enjoy that movie to begin with despite its flaws, but I think I found a movie that manages to be even more bizarre than that! I'm not even sure if I enjoy it or hate it, it's THAT surreal!
your intro to this vide was amazing! also the dazzler looks so much like dagger now and has a similar sounding name. she would have been a cool character had that whole story actually been able to launch. Thanks as always for the video
Dazzler had/has a lot of promise. They just needed to stop throwing every short-lived gimmick they could find (disco & roller skates, leg-warmers & headbands) at the character. A mutant getting one over on humans by using her light-based powers as if it were part of a music show was a really good idea.
I was listening to the stellar “X-Men Audio Drama Podcast” the other night, and when Dazzler was introduced, she was a “Sweet Child of Mine” belting Cyndi Lauper soundalike. From this point forward, THAT is Dazzler in my mind.
The second he said that KISS would've fought the Village People, I started laughing so hard I was wheezing. I almost wish they'd made this movie just for the merit of that scene alone.
I...so do not have the words to process the whole... That wow. That proposed TV special is just nuts. And I thought Roger Rabbit was an insane crossover! I had randomly seen posts ages ago about Dazzler originally going to be black, and it's nice to see the details about that, because I had no clue. (I think Jennifer Hudson would be a fantastic modern day Dazzler, if we're going back to her origins) That's a large reason why I love this series (and your videos in general). You put in the time and research for your videos and present the information in a straightforward format, and you're not condescending about it. That being said...yes, Dazzler was only in Dark Phoenix, but she was the best part of Dark Phoenix, lol.
I wished the original idea went ahead. I loved the cast they were hoping for and who would not have loved the idea of Robin William making both women fight over him from his charm and having Rodney Dangerfield as three lawyers. It would have been awesome and either been a classic or a cult classic after a few years.
I have heard of this before but it was still fun to hear your take and yes as a man who loves disco I would love to see the character release some sort of album that would be tight
Wow. Never knew this. Great story. I always liked Dazzler and she was on the front line team of the X-Men for quite a while. I did wonder how the "Dazzler the Movie" graphic novel fit in to the rest of your tale. You showed it but didn't mention it. Timewise it seems like it came out in the middle of her series 4 year run. I guess it was inspired by the real life story of her character's creation.
I remember Bob covering this a while back on the Escapist. Glad to see this become more well known. I kinda wish this was something that actually existed just to see how crazy it was.
I want a Dazzler movie. This particular movie would be great, but I'd be satisfied with a good Dazzler movie in general. She has so much unused potential
Wasn't there going to be a Dazzler and Tygra adult cartoon made for Hulu as part of their "Offenders" series? Haven't heard much about that. Is that even still happening? Though it would be cool if Marvel Studios added Dazzler to the MCU, cast an actual singer in the role, and then actually go on tour and release albums as Dazzler. Disney's got access to a lot of singers/actresses. They could totally pull it off.
I think it’d be great to have the original concept of Dazzler be created and made into a movie character or a comic. More black representation is never a bad thing imo and I retro style disco character would be fun.
Seems a little insulting and very stereotyping to make her a POC. Have her speaking funky black??? Disco queen?? Dazzler fine the way she is. We already have amazing black female characters they could focus on. Let’s develop a stronger Storm character in movies. Sorry, Halle Berry was not it. Let’s see Monica Rambo solo movie. She’s an interesting likable character, then our current Captain Marvel.
thanks for talking about this movie I originally heard about this from Moviebob. But you highlighted a few extra details he might've left out and filled in a few small gaps. Thanks for expanding my curiousity on this project. i hope this idea could get an episode on a future season of What If. The plot of the movie sounds bonkers and insane and i love it! also, the depowering Dazzler idea to make people tell the truth sounded really terrible. Good thing that didn't happen. ...I do kind of wonder what a Grace Jones Dazzler would've been like.
What a glorious trainwreck that would have been. A cult classic to rival the Star Wars Xmas Special. As a teenager I would have hated it. As an adult I would have loved it in all its awful cringey glory. Truly a reason to wish for alternate reality / multiverse TV to watch a rerun of that.
It will be interesting if Dazzler gets a complete reboot, gets her own movies, her own album releases, and such. Macross and Symphogear already do the thing. There's no reason to say Marvel can't do similar thing.
Am I the only one whose always wanted Dazzler to be updated into ‘DJ Dazzler’? Her light powers just make that such an obvious fit to me, and with minor changes her look would fit techno/rave easily. So is it just me?
That’s some forward thinking with Marvel, cuz nowadays we have Hatsune Miku. Yeah she isn’t real but the idea of “person both living inside fiction and reality and is a musical artist” is literally her.
Have you ever heard of eugenuis its a musical that involves comics and heroes i think this was talked at comic con 2018 though it isnt marvel but still the musical was amazing and is on youtube
So if you hover over the thumbnail, the preview is just a few random frames from the Filmation Archies cartoon. YOU HAVE FOUND MY WEAKNESS, COMIC DRAKE!!!
Dazzler board me to tears and always wondered why they chose her in the Xmen Arcade than any one... especially Jean Grey... nonetheless, you're comic reporting series is always entertaining 💯🎯
From what I can make of the timeline presented in the video, Bo Derek was probably still attached to the movie/multimedia stuff by the time the initial crossover comics started being made (and Daryl Hannah was implied to be on board around the time her solo series dropped). So basically it was like how casting/costume choices in wider reaching adaptations effect comics nowadays, except with a character that hadn't even debuted yet.
Oddly enough this is somewhat what I want to see see for dazzler, I don’t want a movie, put her in a Disney+ or Hulu show, let it be like an adult Hannah Montana. She’s a popstar and also a mutant superhero and we all know Disney has extensive history in making people pop stars. she would have to be rebranded into the pop stars we know today because they don’t look like the Britney Spears of the world anymore. I honestly believe having little shows would be better for the X-Men mutant brand because we can’t focus on everybody save the main team for the movies give the little guys the TV shows so we can at least know them better even if they don’t have much movie screen time.
It would be amazing if they re-did the Dazzler movie idea with Lady Gaga. They could do a soundtrack for it too like they did with A Star Is Born. Disney surely has the money for it. Lots of potential there
Avengers Rock Opera and all of those other project and things... was like Disco, Very Dead. But all it take it little listen to be Dazzle. *Lillie dress up like her and dance to beat*
It looks like I wasn't clear enough in the video, but Dazzler was whitewashed when Bo Derek was approached to play her in the live action movie. That's my bad for not being specific about it.
Hopefully MCU Dazzlers black :)
Though not stated directly I thought the progression was pretty clear. No worries!
Janelle Monae would be perfect casting.
Dazzler was always white and had different powers between the main & ultimate universes, besides they’ve plenty black characters in comics now, so what’s the matter?!
@@insanemakaioshin, Chill the hell out and actually watch the video. Dazzler was literally conceived as a black character.
Forget the superheros, you're telling me we almost got Kiss vs the Village People?
Well we did get Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park, which also has Kiss as superheroes. I vaguely remember watching it once. It was about what you'd expect.
Yea man. Fucking kiss vs village people. The fucking fight of the century.
@James Fox Your avatar makes this comment all the right kinds of perfect.
@@monkeyflower3851 the scooby doo movie right? God that was a trip
@@thatguy8637 as I recall, it did have a bit of a scooby doo plot.
Props to that one guy in the back who raised his hand and said "...How about we make something, y'know, good instead" probably.
The adult in the room basically.
I’d hardly call what we have “good”
@@somik-i3x lmao
Dazzling perspective.
~_~
And then they made Howard the Duck
A shame this wasn't made. The image of the avengers fighting kiss and the village people sounds awesome.
I would’ve give The Avengers’ theme “YMCA”...
As created by Shooter, this is the perfect terribly cheeseball 70's made-for-TV movie. I can feel the anticipation eclipsing the wait for the Captain America 'films' or Hulk movies!
And throw in Snooki from the jersey shore
Dazzler is very underrated, she is actually one of the most powerful mutants. She defeated a herald of Galactus, can move faster than light and can solidify light and use them as weapons.
She can absorb sound and turn it into a destructive light power. Also the Beyonder chose her and gave her half of his power and she became a goddess, just saying how cool her character is
Not to mention that in her solo series she and Rogue went at it more than once and Dazzler always won.
@@K1ng1995 yeah,that was in the 80s I think. But I believe Rogue is far more powerful and dangerous now.
She also has the power of Wonder Man and now she can control her absorbing power.
But Dazzler is definitely a high level threat. Her oneshot comic was weird but very good too, took on Dr Strange, Enchantress and then Klaw. She also obliterates Galactus, dont know how...
Deadpool can kill her tho
@@Skepdiddydoo well deadpool is immortal. So he can find a way to kill anyone, no matter how long it takes.
Wow.. she sounds awesome
The first time I heard Sugar Sugar was in The Bee Movie
@Caleb Mayfield dlO
The Simpson's too
The biggest robbery in all of this was the fact the we didn’t get Grace Jones Dazzler.
All I gotta say is
Cocaine was one HELL of a drug...
Mr James?
Cher and Donna Summer? That sounds like the greatest movie ever!
2:39 I would love it if DC did this approach with Music Meister in the modern era.
Marvel is know for their weird ideas. This isn’t that surprising
Never forget the cancelled Tobe Hoopet Spider-Man movie
Marvel use to promote itself as "The House of Ideas." Now, it's also a "location" in the Marvel Universe..
This was gonna be a Rock Opera at one point, dude sign me up!!! Real shame this was missed opportunity for them.
From a cancelled movie, to a brief cameo in Dark Pheonix. How to fall so far lol.
@Caleb Mayfield I mean, they had big plans for her, didn't work out, then they put in the X-Men comics for a long while, then she was rumored to have a cameo in X-Men Apocalypse but was only given an Easter Egg mention in a deleted scene of said movie, then finally making her appearance in a mediocre X-Men movie hardly anyone talks about or remembers.
She also made a cameo in the Miles Morales game as a collectible item in a form of a concert ticket...
If Dazzler ever makes another cameo in a movie, I want her to be portrayed by Katy Perry.
The Dazzler/Avengers Movie sounds like a bad acid trip I had with the Bois once
They could have made something better than The Wiz and the Star Wars Christmas special combined. Thanks for a mind blowing video.
Even though this movie sounds like it would’ve been an absolute disaster, I absolutely would LOVE to see it. It sounds so outlandish that there 0 way it would be good
Dude I would really love it if Disney gave Dazzler a C-list uplift like what they did to most popular characters in the MCU.
If they ever do, I'd love to see Katy Perry be the one to play her!
Kiss having powers
Hannah Barbara took that idea and even made a Scooby-doo movie with them
It's funny how the avengers musical
Kinda happend in Hawkeye
This is the most 70s thing I've ever heard
yeah... now I really want Disco Queen Dazzler to come back, because of how insane it sounds
Imagine if the MCU actually launched off from Dazzler
Man Dazzler has a history of being in cancelled projects. This awesome sounding movie and a Hulu series with Tigra?
The Village People fighting KISS... lets pause at THAT for a moment....
This pitch makes the Peter Frampton/Bee Gees "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" movie seem mundane by comparison! And that's a movie whose resolution consists of a golden weather vane turning into Billy Preston, who abracadabras Frampton from jumping off a tall building, abracadabras his love interest back to life, and abracadabras all the villains into members of the Clergy! I legitimately enjoy that movie to begin with despite its flaws, but I think I found a movie that manages to be even more bizarre than that! I'm not even sure if I enjoy it or hate it, it's THAT surreal!
your intro to this vide was amazing! also the dazzler looks so much like dagger now and has a similar sounding name. she would have been a cool character had that whole story actually been able to launch. Thanks as always for the video
Lord Chaos:IT WAS DANGERFIELD ALL ALONG!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Huh, the 70s was definitely a different time. Good and bad.
Got an H&R Block commercial where they were singing... even though youtube didn't do it on purpose, i appreciate the link
Dazzler had/has a lot of promise. They just needed to stop throwing every short-lived gimmick they could find (disco & roller skates, leg-warmers & headbands) at the character. A mutant getting one over on humans by using her light-based powers as if it were part of a music show was a really good idea.
I was listening to the stellar “X-Men Audio Drama Podcast” the other night, and when Dazzler was introduced, she was a “Sweet Child of Mine” belting Cyndi Lauper soundalike. From this point forward, THAT is Dazzler in my mind.
The second he said that KISS would've fought the Village People, I started laughing so hard I was wheezing. I almost wish they'd made this movie just for the merit of that scene alone.
The Mary Janes songs are VERY good, I love them so much.
I...so do not have the words to process the whole... That wow. That proposed TV special is just nuts. And I thought Roger Rabbit was an insane crossover!
I had randomly seen posts ages ago about Dazzler originally going to be black, and it's nice to see the details about that, because I had no clue. (I think Jennifer Hudson would be a fantastic modern day Dazzler, if we're going back to her origins)
That's a large reason why I love this series (and your videos in general). You put in the time and research for your videos and present the information in a straightforward format, and you're not condescending about it.
That being said...yes, Dazzler was only in Dark Phoenix, but she was the best part of Dark Phoenix, lol.
I wished the original idea went ahead. I loved the cast they were hoping for and who would not have loved the idea of Robin William making both women fight over him from his charm and having Rodney Dangerfield as three lawyers. It would have been awesome and either been a classic or a cult classic after a few years.
The Rodney Dangerfield idea reminds of when Jim Carrey played most of the characters in the "A Series of Unfortunate Events" movie from 2004.
I am so angry that we didn't get this movie! It would've been one of the greatest 80s movies of all timelines -- and THAT'S saying something! XD
Yes, 'The Archies' bubblegum rock at its finest!
I have heard of this before but it was still fun to hear your take and yes as a man who loves disco I would love to see the character release some sort of album that would be tight
I would love to see dazzles make s comeback. Virtual concerts, disneyplus show, there so much you could do there!
Wow. Never knew this. Great story. I always liked Dazzler and she was on the front line team of the X-Men for quite a while. I did wonder how the "Dazzler the Movie" graphic novel fit in to the rest of your tale. You showed it but didn't mention it. Timewise it seems like it came out in the middle of her series 4 year run. I guess it was inspired by the real life story of her character's creation.
I remember Bob covering this a while back on the Escapist. Glad to see this become more well known. I kinda wish this was something that actually existed just to see how crazy it was.
So we almost had Grace Jones and the Avengers vs Kiss and The Village People. I hate this timeline
i didnt know dazzler was suppose to get a movie
You can not even image how great this would have been.
I want a Dazzler movie. This particular movie would be great, but I'd be satisfied with a good Dazzler movie in general. She has so much unused potential
Disco Queen should surely have appeared in *_Marvel: The Lost Generation._*
Will there ever be a sequel to that delightful miniseries . . . ?
Wasn't there going to be a Dazzler and Tygra adult cartoon made for Hulu as part of their "Offenders" series? Haven't heard much about that. Is that even still happening?
Though it would be cool if Marvel Studios added Dazzler to the MCU, cast an actual singer in the role, and then actually go on tour and release albums as Dazzler. Disney's got access to a lot of singers/actresses. They could totally pull it off.
I NEED THAT MOVIE IN MY LIVE! Which Timeline do I have to visit?
Idk but take me with you
I think it’d be great to have the original concept of Dazzler be created and made into a movie character or a comic. More black representation is never a bad thing imo and I retro style disco character would be fun.
Seems a little insulting and very stereotyping to make her a POC. Have her speaking funky black??? Disco queen?? Dazzler fine the way she is. We already have amazing black female characters they could focus on. Let’s develop a stronger Storm character in movies. Sorry, Halle Berry was not it. Let’s see Monica Rambo solo movie. She’s an interesting likable character, then our current Captain Marvel.
What could have been sounds INSANE but also Awesome!
This is one of the greatest things. I really wish it was made
Like, what if Hannah Montana was a mutant?
What the hizell............. was that script you read Drake. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
It's right up there with the early drafts of Star Wars in terms of glorious ridiculousness. 😂
Dazzler is Marvel’s Jem and the Holograms
Never heard of this, this is amazing. Thanks Drake!
Imagine if Marvel made Dazzler today, she'd be like Gorillaz crossed with a Vtuber (except not as vapid) or something.
I collected the entire original run of Dazzler! Looking forward to the vid.
For me, the little nods to Romance comics were pretty wonderful.
Some of my first records were from Casablanca.
This script sounds amazing. Bummed we never got to see it made into a movie.
Awwww, who's the cutest Lord Chaos?
thanks for talking about this movie
I originally heard about this from Moviebob. But you highlighted a few extra details he might've left out and filled in a few small gaps. Thanks for expanding my curiousity on this project.
i hope this idea could get an episode on a future season of What If. The plot of the movie sounds bonkers and insane and i love it!
also, the depowering Dazzler idea to make people tell the truth sounded really terrible. Good thing that didn't happen.
...I do kind of wonder what a Grace Jones Dazzler would've been like.
I wouldn't mind seeing another take on this.
Great video! Learned a lot of fun stuff haha
nice video thank you for shouting this out
What a glorious trainwreck that would have been. A cult classic to rival the Star Wars Xmas Special. As a teenager I would have hated it. As an adult I would have loved it in all its awful cringey glory. Truly a reason to wish for alternate reality / multiverse TV to watch a rerun of that.
There is not enough acid to truly digest that episode pitch
OH I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
6:54
The Thor and Hulk movie from the 80's: "am I a joke to you?"
first, what? Secondly, I’ve been to that universe and it’s actually that and worse
It will be interesting if Dazzler gets a complete reboot, gets her own movies, her own album releases, and such.
Macross and Symphogear already do the thing. There's no reason to say Marvel can't do similar thing.
So, basically the original idea of Totally Spies
Am I the only one whose always wanted Dazzler to be updated into ‘DJ Dazzler’? Her light powers just make that such an obvious fit to me, and with minor changes her look would fit techno/rave easily. So is it just me?
Congrats on 300k
Man, the original pitch is soooo good!
That’s some forward thinking with Marvel, cuz nowadays we have Hatsune Miku. Yeah she isn’t real but the idea of “person both living inside fiction and reality and is a musical artist” is literally her.
Great stuff!
Have you ever heard of eugenuis its a musical that involves comics and heroes i think this was talked at comic con 2018 though it isnt marvel but still the musical was amazing and is on youtube
So... They didn't just white wash the character, but slowly but surely ruin and throw away a GOOD black character... :D fuN!
So if you hover over the thumbnail, the preview is just a few random frames from the Filmation Archies cartoon. YOU HAVE FOUND MY WEAKNESS, COMIC DRAKE!!!
I had no idea that was Dazzler in the Dark Phoenix movie.
Dazzler board me to tears and always wondered why they chose her in the Xmen Arcade than any one... especially Jean Grey... nonetheless, you're comic reporting series is always entertaining 💯🎯
Happy 300k
OOOOOOOH THATS WHY PETER QUILL HAS A POSTER OF HER IN THE NEW GOTG GAME
Gonna be honest, this look like a fucking amazing live action superhero movie.
I love dazzler and I still wanna see her in the mcu sometime in the future
I was forced to read Dark Phoenix because of a friend, and the only thing I remember about it to this day is Dazzler.
I don't remember you mentioning why Dazzler isn't black.
From what I can make of the timeline presented in the video, Bo Derek was probably still attached to the movie/multimedia stuff by the time the initial crossover comics started being made (and Daryl Hannah was implied to be on board around the time her solo series dropped). So basically it was like how casting/costume choices in wider reaching adaptations effect comics nowadays, except with a character that hadn't even debuted yet.
Sounds like a movie, that at first will not be that popular, but would end up as a classic over time, just like the movie, the thing.
There’s a Dazzler easter egg in the Miles Morales game
So that’s who’s on the poster in star lords room in the guardians of the galaxy square Enix game
Oddly enough this is somewhat what I want to see see for dazzler, I don’t want a movie, put her in a Disney+ or Hulu show, let it be like an adult Hannah Montana. She’s a popstar and also a mutant superhero and we all know Disney has extensive history in making people pop stars. she would have to be rebranded into the pop stars we know today because they don’t look like the Britney Spears of the world anymore. I honestly believe having little shows would be better for the X-Men mutant brand because we can’t focus on everybody save the main team for the movies give the little guys the TV shows so we can at least know them better even if they don’t have much movie screen time.
Omg you need to make a video on the canceled Batman movie with Madonna as Harley Quinn!
if dazzler was real and existed now, i’m 100% certain she’d be hyperpop and frequently collaborate with 100 gecs
It would be amazing if they re-did the Dazzler movie idea with Lady Gaga. They could do a soundtrack for it too like they did with A Star Is Born. Disney surely has the money for it. Lots of potential there
Dang, why do all the most amazing ideas fail to materialize? The animated special/movie pitch is easily the best thing Jim Shooter ever did. 😔
That's a Michael Golden poster at 1.45 ?
I really like how moving your head like a mad man y part of the reycon marketing
Honestly wouldn't mind this being revived someday, though it could be it's own thing and maybe not MCU related.
Avengers Rock Opera and all of those other project and things... was like Disco, Very Dead.
But all it take it little listen to be Dazzle. *Lillie dress up like her and dance to beat*
If you want a beat to dance to, try "Temperance and Vengeance" by Mick Gordon.
So this is where Luna Snow's inspiration...
Wait... maybe I missed it... but why did Disco Dazzler become white Dazzler for the Jim Shooter special?