I keep losing with this deck, either because I can't figure out when to try to control the board and when I should save for lethal later. That and if I fight a fatigue/cthun warrior I may as well concede since I'd never have a way to break his armor. Same problem with a priest but with heals instead of armor.
The deck is only good against the aggro decks and sometimes midrange decks plaguing the meta atm. The deck is basically autolose against any sort of control deck. Winning against a warrior with this deck is basically as impossible as winning against a warrior with freeze mage; the two decks ARE very similar after all.
In the second game he missed lethal. If he had playad apprentice first, then he gets a 4 mana discount on the spells, and then he has the mana to use hero power, which gives him the 1 dmg he was short. 23 total (with the murlok) :)
What are some of the mulligan tips for this deck. Sometimes I'm conflicted whether i should throw away 2 drops like loot hoarder and sorcerer to hard mulligan for mana wyrm.
Any thoughts on replacing Mirror Image? seems like its a dead draw more often than not, and even early game its only good if you get the mana worm with it.Ive been messing around with Babbling Book instead with mixed results. getting any damage spell from the book or an ice blook is basically a free win, but there are a lot of basically dead cards he can pull. Been tossing around the idea of running Novice Engineer instead, or something like a second doomsayer or some Cult Sorcerers. Any thoughts, anyone?
Yes, the 3/2 2 mana Spell Power +1 and buff C'thun by 1/1 whenever you cast a spell. That or, if you don't have it and wouldn't want to use 100 dust, Kobold geomancer.
Au contraire. When this deck's main food source, shaman, becomes less popular, this deck will become less good. The main reason trump chose to play this deck was for the shaman matchup.
At 8:10 Trump would have lost if the Druid had some way to draw Trump one extra card with a heal as an example. Would have been an interesting way for lethal.
It was interesting to me to see ice block was one of the cards banned in the batstone tournament. It only features in quite skill intensive and niche decks but the card encourages uninteractive gameplay, I would probably take it out of the game if I had the choice.
I think the "nerf" to ice block proposed by Blizzard is Secret Eater for the moment. And I'm not even kidding, since this aggro deck is popular, being on the homepage of Hearthpwn, I met 2 opponents with Secret Eater and it destroyed the matchup. Currently with the dominance of Shaman, that card is kinda pointless, but standard is rotating soon, and maybe it will be the auto-include (I doubt it, but I tested a bit of science since I met a lot of mages and hunters, it is really good on those situation).
Faux Films i think theres a fundamental issue when you feel like you can only win a matchup by teching in cards, cards like doomsayer, nova and block make you feel so powerless when they work and are non interactive they are bad cards imo
Trump-senpai I know you love reno decks so can you make a reno-shaman. I have one which I really enjoy playing but it would be interesting to see you play one yourself. Thanks
I am guessing that they are all from blizzard one way or another, not independant artists. I currently have trump cards-344 - banquet of the meek in the recommended box to the right and it is straight up the card art, which I don't think needs to be credited at all.
I am not aware of any ethical standards that allow one to use copyrighted artwork, especially for commercial purposes, without crediting the artist. In this case, however, I suspect the artwork belongs to Blizzard, so eh.
***** It does actually. Many things, especially blizzard owned copyrights, allow for reproduction for non commercial use. It is stated on their legal FAQ
it's actually pretty good to deadly shot coldlights, because on the chance it is a mill deck it's much safer to remove those cards from the game instead of letting them get returned to hand and played again.
people often suggest another spelldamage minion to replace thalnos and they're usually wrong; though in this deck, I think that would actually work. Cult Sorcerer instead of thalnos would weaken the deck, but not by much since as a 2 drop it can hit face for 3. That said, if you really want to play this deck it's worth crafting thalnos since this exact decklist in particular is crazy OP.
12:04 is just painful to watch. You expect call of the wild on the 8th turn, it's your last chance to hit face with wyrm, and instead of going something like torch-torch-illusions (also giving more chances of drawing damage) or torch-murloc-illusions(setting up to get more damage from the deck), he just completely gives up tempo to cycle hoarder. Here, take it! >
But how do you know a play is bad if you're not a pro-player? In esports, there are just some tactics/plays/strategies that just seem bad to the average player but are actually good.
Lol yeah I'm not particularly good at Hearthstone. Never made it past rank 9 until I started playing this midrange Shaman. Also never drew a single rockbiter all game. Also really nervous facing a Hearthstone celebrity lmao. I was supposed to go to bed after that game, but then got so excited I played a Reno Shaman I built and lost 3 ranks hahahahaha. Reached legend yesterday for the first time tho.
Yeah, bitches. Time to come to the channel that Pewdiepie calls "Taint licking good." There's also burgers, bacon, and ribs. Check it out and you'll see for yourself.
15:30 why didn't trump even try to bluff the win? We know you couldn't have killed him but if you just played the cards with a little confidence you might get a concede. I'm not saying to draw out the game by hovering over face with a card for 60 seconds but just attack, play, see if he concedes and if not then concede. Attack with Oracle --> Play Apprentice (2) --> Roaring Torch x2 (6) --> Frostbolt (7) --> Ice Lance (7). 7-mana, 21 damage (or 9-mana for 22 with Fireblast). 3 mana left over to bluff Fireball, Torch, or another Lance. I know this wouldn't work in a tournament but against someone online it was a better option than hoping Loot Hoarder magically draws the 1-in-11 Ice Block (or luckily getting Intellect into Ice Block) and then still having to draw into exactly a damage spell or Thalnos (5-in-10) next turn. Hindsight is 20-20 but this play just screamed desperation.
That druid missed lethal on you.. If he would've hit the acolyte with his hero power, instead of wrathing, that's one more card draw, which means 1 fatigue, RIP math.
Honestly trump, how can you live with yourself watching amaz breeze through legend rankings with crazy decks while you struggle to get outta wood league?
Watch out guys, this guy's a big boy who plays super-serious, skill-intensive games like CoD and Minecraft. No time for a silly baby game like Hearthstone.
when trump draws a card, Jens edits out the two in the deck list so we know how many cards are left in the deck. then Jens will darken any cards which have had every copy drawn.
Excuse me, this deck is fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥
lit
Justine Pimentel stfu reported
"Wow, face! Such insolence!"
"I think I'll torch face."
This is tom_hs's deck that he posted on Reddit and Hearthpwn. It's awesome and surprisingly challenging to play well.
I keep losing with this deck, either because I can't figure out when to try to control the board and when I should save for lethal later. That and if I fight a fatigue/cthun warrior I may as well concede since I'd never have a way to break his armor. Same problem with a priest but with heals instead of armor.
Same, from rank 5 with 5 star to rank 8...just can't deal with warriors, auto concede
Against those classes you need board control, not melt face. It's the only way.
Yea, it loses to heavy control. Thankfully, meta is overridden by cancer, not control.
The deck is only good against the aggro decks and sometimes midrange decks plaguing the meta atm. The deck is basically autolose against any sort of control deck. Winning against a warrior with this deck is basically as impossible as winning against a warrior with freeze mage; the two decks ARE very similar after all.
In the second game he missed lethal. If he had playad apprentice first, then he gets a 4 mana discount on the spells, and then he has the mana to use hero power, which gives him the 1 dmg he was short. 23 total (with the murlok) :)
2 Roaring torches
12
1 Frost bolt
15
1 ice lance
19
Hero power
20
Murloc
22
One off lethal.
Oooh, sorry, you're right. Trump playad a 5 dmg ice lance so often so i mistakenly counted it as 5 instead of 4. Thanks for pointing it out :)
I love this deck. Would love love love to see a lot more
One of these days someone will put Secret Eater into their deck.
if every deck starts running more than 3 secrets for some dumb reason, then yes.
Check out Thijs' latest video where he plays freeze mage in wild.
Hey Jens could you please link the sources you use for the UA-cam thumbnails? There's some gorgeous fan art that id love to know who made em!
My yt recommandation was : Hearthstone: Trump Basic Teachings - 01 - Board Control .... OH THE IRONY
stfu
I think a better saying would be "don't count your angry chickens before they enrage"
Back on top of the search results, finally!
this deck is not for the simple minded... ah my brain trembles
Betelgeuse mentioned
What are some of the mulligan tips for this deck. Sometimes I'm conflicted whether i should throw away 2 drops like loot hoarder and sorcerer to hard mulligan for mana wyrm.
Any thoughts on replacing Mirror Image? seems like its a dead draw more often than not, and even early game its only good if you get the mana worm with it.Ive been messing around with Babbling Book instead with mixed results. getting any damage spell from the book or an ice blook is basically a free win, but there are a lot of basically dead cards he can pull. Been tossing around the idea of running Novice Engineer instead, or something like a second doomsayer or some Cult Sorcerers. Any thoughts, anyone?
renember the days when he played Grim Patron and nearly roped every turn?:D
~Cause its the heat of the moment, Heat of the moment, The heat of the moment showed in your eyes~
release your tax returns!
He will when Forsen releases his 32,000 deleted Gachigasm compilations
Or after StrifeCro releases his deck list!
Show us your deleted emails!
didn't he have lethal at 15:37 with apprentice+2xroaring+frostbolt+lance+valet? then he could swing with the coldlight and deal 24 damage total
Can I make this deck if i have EVERYTHING but bloodmage thalnos? If so, whats the best replacement for him?
Yes, the 3/2 2 mana Spell Power +1 and buff C'thun by 1/1 whenever you cast a spell. That or, if you don't have it and wouldn't want to use 100 dust, Kobold geomancer.
or a second doomsayer
Dragon Tiger novice engineer, card draw is often more important
Dragon Tiger or second doomsayer
This deck probably will be better after nerfs... maybe the new meta...
Au contraire. When this deck's main food source, shaman, becomes less popular, this deck will become less good. The main reason trump chose to play this deck was for the shaman matchup.
Some would argue that because of all the other top tier decks getting nerfed, Shaman will be overall stronger than before. Not sure myself.
Not a chance aggro shaman was nerfed to oblivion
This deck is amazing!
Literally all I can think about when I see Trump in my inbox is Donald Trump
Relax man, it's not that big of a deal actually
Everything is going to be all right regardless of the election
its actually one big secret propagation
I know, he's ruining the Brand.
The first thing you should think about is the correct use of the word literally, filthy Millennial.
At 8:10 Trump would have lost if the Druid had some way to draw Trump one extra card with a heal as an example.
Would have been an interesting way for lethal.
Man, Fire Mage is really good this season.
It was interesting to me to see ice block was one of the cards banned in the batstone tournament. It only features in quite skill intensive and niche decks but the card encourages uninteractive gameplay, I would probably take it out of the game if I had the choice.
The card is the definition of uninteractive TBH and we'll keep seeing it until it gets a nerf or change
I think the "nerf" to ice block proposed by Blizzard is Secret Eater for the moment. And I'm not even kidding, since this aggro deck is popular, being on the homepage of Hearthpwn, I met 2 opponents with Secret Eater and it destroyed the matchup. Currently with the dominance of Shaman, that card is kinda pointless, but standard is rotating soon, and maybe it will be the auto-include (I doubt it, but I tested a bit of science since I met a lot of mages and hunters, it is really good on those situation).
YO CAMERON FUCKER, FLARE, KEZAN MYSTIC AND EATER OF SECRET WOULD HAVE A WORD FOR U!!!
Ricky Muzakki kezan is wild only, flare is hunter only, with druid warrior and hunter rampant secret keeper is a liability
Faux Films i think theres a fundamental issue when you feel like you can only win a matchup by teching in cards, cards like doomsayer, nova and block make you feel so powerless when they work and are non interactive they are bad cards imo
It was the heat of the momeeeent, telling me what your heart meant, the heat of the moment shone in your eyeeeeeees
Trump-senpai I know you love reno decks so can you make a reno-shaman. I have one which I really enjoy playing but it would be interesting to see you play one yourself. Thanks
great video and deck, thanks Trump ;)
How do you get doomsayer? I can't find anywhere to craft him
Another video, another failure to give credit to the artist for the thumbnail art. Sad to see such flagrant disregard for ethics.
I am guessing that they are all from blizzard one way or another, not independant artists. I currently have trump cards-344 - banquet of the meek in the recommended box to the right and it is straight up the card art, which I don't think needs to be credited at all.
I am not aware of any ethical standards that allow one to use copyrighted artwork, especially for commercial purposes, without crediting the artist. In this case, however, I suspect the artwork belongs to Blizzard, so eh.
Whether something is commercial or not really doesn't come into fair use.
*****
It does actually. Many things, especially blizzard owned copyrights, allow for reproduction for non commercial use. It is stated on their legal FAQ
*****
Weirdly they are more concerned about fanfiction messing with canon
Jesus Christ, this deck has such a good WR.
FTFY "Jesus Christ, Trump has such a good WR this deck."
yes.. is the most complicated deck I've played
Is this deck playable without thalnos?
I think it's significantly weaker, but still good with loot hoarder replacement
theirs already 2 loothoarders in here
Loot Hoarder is already there, I think u should take novice engineer instead
NO
i think in this deck thalnos main function is the spell damage and not the draw as opposed to freeze mage
I think 15:30 IS missed lethal!
EDIT: nope, I forgot vallet needs a secret, I'm dumb
(With the oracle it's 24, one above lethal)
Deadly shot on 2/2 murlocks? I smell stream sniper.
it's actually pretty good to deadly shot coldlights, because on the chance it is a mill deck it's much safer to remove those cards from the game instead of letting them get returned to hand and played again.
It's just the correct play.
I smell someone who's not good at the game and just calls every reasonable play a stream snipe!
+Kyle Rockwell There are no mage mill decks.
***** I was about to comment that there are no mage mill decks first, but then I noticed your comment and misread it as "but he's a rogue".
is there a replacement for bloodmage or should i craft it?
people often suggest another spelldamage minion to replace thalnos and they're usually wrong; though in this deck, I think that would actually work. Cult Sorcerer instead of thalnos would weaken the deck, but not by much since as a 2 drop it can hit face for 3.
That said, if you really want to play this deck it's worth crafting thalnos since this exact decklist in particular is crazy OP.
thx
I actually love playing this deck, but don't know how to play it well. anyvsuggestions?
hit the opponent's face with spells. hope i helped.
count how much direct damage you've used, have in your hand and is still in the deck. every turn.
12:04 is just painful to watch. You expect call of the wild on the 8th turn, it's your last chance to hit face with wyrm, and instead of going something like torch-torch-illusions (also giving more chances of drawing damage) or torch-murloc-illusions(setting up to get more damage from the deck), he just completely gives up tempo to cycle hoarder. Here, take it! >
Can't believe Trump didn't get punished for his weak plays in that last game.
But how do you know a play is bad if you're not a pro-player? In esports, there are just some tactics/plays/strategies that just seem bad to the average player but are actually good.
Lol yeah I'm not particularly good at Hearthstone. Never made it past rank 9 until I started playing this midrange Shaman. Also never drew a single rockbiter all game. Also really nervous facing a Hearthstone celebrity lmao. I was supposed to go to bed after that game, but then got so excited I played a Reno Shaman I built and lost 3 ranks hahahahaha. Reached legend yesterday for the first time tho.
borredDead I am a pro player :P
heat of the moment - asia
Nice video!
Isnt this a tempo mage?
Yeah, bitches. Time to come to the channel that Pewdiepie calls "Taint licking good." There's also burgers, bacon, and ribs. Check it out and you'll see for yourself.
what is his deck tracker?any answers?
In the first game He misplayed everything that could have been misplayed....
why?
yep, but I tried this deck and it's really not obvious on how you have to play it. I guess he's doing fine considering his win rate.
did he hit legend tho??m
Loving all these AARP ads....
15:30 why didn't trump even try to bluff the win? We know you couldn't have killed him but if you just played the cards with a little confidence you might get a concede. I'm not saying to draw out the game by hovering over face with a card for 60 seconds but just attack, play, see if he concedes and if not then concede.
Attack with Oracle --> Play Apprentice (2) --> Roaring Torch x2 (6) --> Frostbolt (7) --> Ice Lance (7). 7-mana, 21 damage (or 9-mana for 22 with Fireblast). 3 mana left over to bluff Fireball, Torch, or another Lance. I know this wouldn't work in a tournament but against someone online it was a better option than hoping Loot Hoarder magically draws the 1-in-11 Ice Block (or luckily getting Intellect into Ice Block) and then still having to draw into exactly a damage spell or Thalnos (5-in-10) next turn.
Hindsight is 20-20 but this play just screamed desperation.
wow that zoolock though
This deck is rather aggrovating.
That druid missed lethal on you.. If he would've hit the acolyte with his hero power, instead of wrathing, that's one more card draw, which means 1 fatigue, RIP math.
There was another card left in in his deck. Which means ripp math... But not his
can u tell me a replacement for medivh's valet? i dont have the wing yet
River Crocolisk
I think murloc warleader is better for coldlight synergie.
i replaced the 2 valets with pyroblast and spellslinger i know that they are much more cost but i liked it more and it worked even on divine pala deck
I don't think you can replace a 2 mana 2/3 deal 3 damage.
hmmm ill w8 till i got the money then
Why is his mage not gold? And, by extension, why does he keep making new accounts?
Dear Trump, what could i replace the bloodmage with?
gregotox Cult Sorceror for spellpower, possibly Novice Engineer for draw.
Angry Chicken kappa.
Another doomsayer
Wisp
Cult sorcerer, 1+ spell damage means win or lose
What deck is this?
aggro mage
valet freeze
now can somebody help me and tell me how to play this deck??? i played on rank 19 and had 4 straight loses
this deck is extremely meta driven since it dies pretty hard to life gain decks which are generally more popular at ranks 15+
ben dickson ok thanks that makes sense i guess
It's a difficult deck to play well. Check hearthpwn and read Tom's guide on how to play against various matchups.
Hey brody dont play this deck until you come atleast rank 14 then ur safe
good deck
Only Trump can play a face deck and yet not go face.
Honestly trump, how can you live with yourself watching amaz breeze through legend rankings with crazy decks while you struggle to get outta wood league?
cuz its just a childrens card game, he couldnt care less about you and have nothing to offer you, youre not special.
Watch out guys, this guy's a big boy who plays super-serious, skill-intensive games like CoD and Minecraft. No time for a silly baby game like Hearthstone.
He is performing science on the meta. He isn't taking the best decks in the meta and trying to get legend. How stupid can people be.
He's probably found that he gets more views when he wins, so he plays decks at a rank a few notches below the rank the deck would actually reach.
I wouldn't say it's a children's card game. The game exists to squeeze money out of people. Children have less access than adults.
Fun and interactive
This deck is really good but it hurts my brain :(
What a dank memey deck!
how does he use only 26 cards?
You can not be serious. Please tell me that you are trolling.
when trump draws a card, Jens edits out the two in the deck list so we know how many cards are left in the deck. then Jens will darken any cards which have had every copy drawn.
Oh! I didn't know that! It's been a long time since I've watched the stream live.
this deck requires too much math.
you couldn't show the legend game in this video?!?! screw arena!
I never meant to be so bad to you
SMorc mage
First
...do you feel happy now? Has being first accomplished one of your life goals? Should I call for help?
dammit scott, you gave him the win
SOMEBODY GET HELLLLLP
Last
I am early
boo aggro mage
So this is a gathering of trump supporters... Is this a... A trump rally? (Kills self)
what deck is this?