I just think this line is cleaner than boston with a better touch on the drum. just my opinion. Also that traditional drums to the box thing is so hype. Wish more groups would still do that.
Ugh so on the fence about that really like bostons book this year. But SCV killing it with the visuals and and intensity. Specially center snare stank face, dude can throw down!
@samcherry what's so musical about tap 5s and 5 stroke rolls into buzz rolls and 16th notes lmfao. 80 percent of it sounds like a high-school cadence. Easier doesn't equal more musical lmao
Phenomenal recording, thank you!! Man I love how aggressive their approach was this year. My fave Rennick book in probably a decade. Way to go JONZ!!! 🎉❤💚
Damn!!!! That is a tasty, meaty book! Way to go, SCV. My favorite line of DCI 2024. Saw these guys early in Clovis and could tell they would be the top line. 1st in Semis last night…. It’s their to lose tonight, but that won’t happen. Rennick is a beast
Meaty? Since when is playing slow 5 stroke rolls, tap 5s and buzz rolls meaty? Yea they got maybe 3 or 4 cool licks in there but 80 percent of that book is kindergarten city. This is a vegan book compared to bostons.
@@Salamitommy-d5mflam drags, fast singles, fast 6tuplet 4s at 12”, (Boston only does those 4s at 9”-at most), fast low rolls w/ different accent patterns, all the open space…that’s what scv does, and they do it better than Boston…I will say Boston’s baseline is hands down better tho.
@@mel-px7hl There have been plenty of times where Paul's lines have not gotten 1st place with a "Rennick era tech" judging (speaking from experience). There is plenty of evidence from this season that this group plays undeniably well, and deserves this level of recognition without it being written off as bias.
Boston is incredible, but they don’t have the same tone quality as SCV during their faster passages. They tend to lift their hands and play with the tip of the bead to push out all the notes, which at that speed you almost have to do, but it definitely effects your ability to play all the way through to the snares. It’s crazy nitpicking one of the best lines in the world, but BC is so good you have to.
There are nits to pick with Boston, but sound quality isn't one of them. Clarity remains the biggest challenge for Boston with a very dense book. SCV doesn't get the same volume output per player but they're just cleaner.
You switched em. Boston plays way more through the head than SCV. The clean you’re hearing is tuning preference. Listen to both at 75% or 50%. SCV plays a lot of easy stuff really grey. The basses are not even close to playing in time. You are hearing snare wetness and equating that with clean. It’s ok to prefer a sound. But don’t say things you don’t really know about.
@@kingofrats9311 not really that wild of a take. Listen to the other basslines by themselves. The rhythmic accuracy is just not there for SCV. Simple rhythms like triplets and sixteenths are inconsistent, 3s and 4s don’t have the same rhythmic integrity. Watch Boston, Crown, BD, Bluecoats, etc. just basses. Slow down the playback. It’s not the same. And also he said up is down, war is peace. This is the correct response. Not aggressive, just explained thoroughly in a way that works in a UA-cam comment. If he wants to go to lots and see the difference for himself, that’s fine.
@@Wzd1213see people always mistake “sound quality” for volume. True sound quality is resonance and warmth which makes it louder. Sound quality can’t just be heard but also felt, and you can hear it for miles
SCV is famous for their Cymbal line, but in almost every SCV video they dont show them. For a lot of marching bands outside of DCI (even globally), Cymbal players look up to them. But its sad we cant see them in the videos, so disappointing 😢
The Mcnutt fans hating on Rennick lines has been going on for ages even when Mcnutt was at the cadets. And they give bs excuses like “scv doesn’t deserve to win bc their hands look weird”. Case in point: 2014, 2016
McNutt and Rarick fans have definitely joined forces to hate on SCV ever since McNutt went to Boston though. You didn't hear Boston fans be salty about the 2022 Sanford outcome. I feel like it's rooted in the fact that younger fans like "new money" corps like Boston & Bluecoats (as well as Crown) compared to "old guard" corps like SCV.
@@karmew32nah it’s not old vs new. If that was the case they be hating on BD and Cadets (rip) too, but they didn’t. Especially when Mcnutt was at cadets. It really is the approach. People don’t like what’s different, what’s considered the “wrong” way to drum. Especially when the “wrong”way to drum wins the consistently Sanford for some reason… It’s almost like the wrong way to drum has been the right way all along…
@@kawalangdalawahan people just want the new-school, West Coast style of drumming to win because it's "cooler." The irony is that Boston's playstyle is actually very old-school, but people love them anyways.
@@karmew32rennick’s technique is the most new school. They were the first to do möller, the first to not use heights, and the first to not care about how everyone’s hands look. I know because I was taught by old school cadet folks that would always shit on rennick’s approach for not turning their wrist, not hitting the drums hard enough, being too loose, and not looking the same.
Fred would confer their best work ever,would not call them goat,you must repeat serveral times,.Best SCV drumline ever in my opinion,will repeat if we have a country next year.
Fantastic. Signature sound. I really appreciate how they have remained so stylistically Vanguard. But certainly a touch or so beneath what Boston is doing.
@Inspadave I think what he is saying is stylistically it still sounds like a Rennick book (ie. dynamics, touch, phrasing, etc.), but as far as chops go it's not as beefy as Boston's book BUT respectively it is not far behind either.
I feel like vanguard actually has more notes than Boston. Boston’s book is very black and white, regimented. The fact that SCV has more notes and also has the touch and musicality they def have better chops.
@@CommentCorrector rhythmic complexity and contrast is something McNutt is even on record as saying he doesn't think about when he writes. I can't tell when a Boston exercise ends and when their book begins in a lot vid.
Jesus ill take boston all day over this. Except a handful of decent licks the majority of it is so basic it sounds like a damn high-school cadence. 5 stroke roll tap 5 sixteenth note city for long extended periods of time. Getting bostons book to the level they are playing it at imo is not only more impressive but much harder to achieve.
Dude, I’m glad you said this because I’m sure all the kids are dying for your ever qualified opinion. We get it, the line you like didn’t win. Keep the pouting to yourself please. People complaining are making themselves and Boston look bad.
Back in business! Congrats on the Sanford ladies and gentlemen.
Ethan Nelson representing at the end of the quad line by the snares. You’re the goat!
this audio quality is the best in the game, thank you rbass
Chops, tone, musicality and the best visuals of '24...
Congrats on the Sanford! 😍
I just think this line is cleaner than boston with a better touch on the drum. just my opinion. Also that traditional drums to the box thing is so hype. Wish more groups would still do that.
I feel you on that. Both groups are smoking, but vanguard has the whole package this year. Their front ensemble is also good as hell.
I'm with you on this. The writing and musicality of their show sets them apart, and they play with conviction.
Ugh so on the fence about that really like bostons book this year. But SCV killing it with the visuals and and intensity. Specially center snare stank face, dude can throw down!
@@ocin311 Yep. They won it, deservingly so. They stood out to me since the first lot video dropped. Made me "feel it". I just knew.
@samcherry what's so musical about tap 5s and 5 stroke rolls into buzz rolls and 16th notes lmfao. 80 percent of it sounds like a high-school cadence. Easier doesn't equal more musical lmao
Rennick and I soft yelling, “YEAH!” cracks me up. 😂
Listening to this thru my car speakers is making my ears very happy
Phenomenal recording, thank you!! Man I love how aggressive their approach was this year. My fave Rennick book in probably a decade. Way to go JONZ!!! 🎉❤💚
Damn!!!! That is a tasty, meaty book! Way to go, SCV. My favorite line of DCI 2024. Saw these guys early in Clovis and could tell they would be the top line. 1st in Semis last night…. It’s their to lose tonight, but that won’t happen. Rennick is a beast
Meaty? Since when is playing slow 5 stroke rolls, tap 5s and buzz rolls meaty? Yea they got maybe 3 or 4 cool licks in there but 80 percent of that book is kindergarten city. This is a vegan book compared to bostons.
@@Salamitommy-d5mkeep crying.
@@Salamitommy-d5mflam drags, fast singles, fast 6tuplet 4s at 12”, (Boston only does those 4s at 9”-at most), fast low rolls w/ different accent patterns, all the open space…that’s what scv does, and they do it better than Boston…I will say Boston’s baseline is hands down better tho.
Another brilliant PR book , and executed masterfully (as usual) by the jonz. Congrats on another Sanford. Well deserved 💪🏽🙏🏽💯❤️
Watched Boston and SCV drum lines over and over again. For me the difference is Paul’s writing. It’s exquisite.
It's a northeast style of writing. Paul learned from Charley P
This group was blowing me away at the start of the season so I was not shocked to see that they won best percussion caption. Well deserved!
Recorded sound quality is absolutely insane, thanks for the awesome work as always!
they won the swag caption for sure
they won the drum caption as well
Night 2 winning drums
Deserved
Teal was an Rennick era PR tech. These guys are good, but there was a bias at play.
@@mel-px7hl There have been plenty of times where Paul's lines have not gotten 1st place with a "Rennick era tech" judging (speaking from experience). There is plenty of evidence from this season that this group plays undeniably well, and deserves this level of recognition without it being written off as bias.
Percussion
@@mel-px7hlteal has also been a tech at many other drumlines lol. What bias
congrats on the drum 2024 trophy!! Love the writing and execution!!
The center snare reminds me of Private Joker from the movie Full Metal Jacket.
I’m bopping my head even on their eights exercise. This book is free flowing, musical, and fire
1/10 of a point was too kind. These guys are something else this year!
Deserved Sanford
Truth be told: seldom heard such a crispy snareline...!
There is a delicate feel here that is missing elsewhere.
Absolutely amazing the sound is epic ❤ 🇬🇧👊👊👊👊👊
Boston did win best guard and the drumline did help the guard for half of the show
Clean as a whistle
called it early season, vanguard for drums 2024 bby
Your videos are so good. I wish you got some coverage of the cymbal line
Hmmm… Maybe I had someone film the cymbals for me and it hasn’t been released yet. 😉
@@rbass311”allegedly”
@ 😉
Rip the snare that got his head broken
Boston is incredible, but they don’t have the same tone quality as SCV during their faster passages. They tend to lift their hands and play with the tip of the bead to push out all the notes, which at that speed you almost have to do, but it definitely effects your ability to play all the way through to the snares. It’s crazy nitpicking one of the best lines in the world, but BC is so good you have to.
There are nits to pick with Boston, but sound quality isn't one of them. Clarity remains the biggest challenge for Boston with a very dense book. SCV doesn't get the same volume output per player but they're just cleaner.
You switched em. Boston plays way more through the head than SCV. The clean you’re hearing is tuning preference. Listen to both at 75% or 50%. SCV plays a lot of easy stuff really grey. The basses are not even close to playing in time. You are hearing snare wetness and equating that with clean. It’s ok to prefer a sound. But don’t say things you don’t really know about.
@@Wzd1213pretty wild take on the bass drum bit and unnecessarily aggressive response to OP’s comment.
@@kingofrats9311 not really that wild of a take. Listen to the other basslines by themselves. The rhythmic accuracy is just not there for SCV. Simple rhythms like triplets and sixteenths are inconsistent, 3s and 4s don’t have the same rhythmic integrity. Watch Boston, Crown, BD, Bluecoats, etc. just basses. Slow down the playback. It’s not the same. And also he said up is down, war is peace. This is the correct response. Not aggressive, just explained thoroughly in a way that works in a UA-cam comment. If he wants to go to lots and see the difference for himself, that’s fine.
@@Wzd1213see people always mistake “sound quality” for volume. True sound quality is resonance and warmth which makes it louder. Sound quality can’t just be heard but also felt, and you can hear it for miles
This book has some old school 'O4 vibes. man it's soo good
how good is the snare tuning and audio quality on this video, should be in the Smithsonian
Snare break reminds me of 2013 scv. so damn good!
SCV is famous for their Cymbal line, but in almost every SCV video they dont show them. For a lot of marching bands outside of DCI (even globally), Cymbal players look up to them. But its sad we cant see them in the videos, so disappointing 😢
I have a SCV cymbal’s only video dropping later today.
@@rbass311 Great news!
What do y’all feed your snare drummers?? Their sticks are almost as thick as their arms 😮
*_Fred Sanford!!_* 🥇
Center snare is Crispin Glover.
4:10 wait whys this the coldest visual ive seen
Right? Badass. Whoever came up with that, u are based
Snares hit the event horizon 13:30-13:32
Here's a question: Why is SCV the only DCI line to play Dynasty?
I wanna see them play ram 95
Ringel!!!!!!
The Mcnutt fans hating on Rennick lines has been going on for ages even when Mcnutt was at the cadets. And they give bs excuses like “scv doesn’t deserve to win bc their hands look weird”. Case in point: 2014, 2016
McNutt and Rarick fans have definitely joined forces to hate on SCV ever since McNutt went to Boston though. You didn't hear Boston fans be salty about the 2022 Sanford outcome. I feel like it's rooted in the fact that younger fans like "new money" corps like Boston & Bluecoats (as well as Crown) compared to "old guard" corps like SCV.
@@karmew32nah it’s not old vs new. If that was the case they be hating on BD and Cadets (rip) too, but they didn’t. Especially when Mcnutt was at cadets.
It really is the approach. People don’t like what’s different, what’s considered the “wrong” way to drum. Especially when the “wrong”way to drum wins the consistently Sanford for some reason…
It’s almost like the wrong way to drum has been the right way all along…
@@kawalangdalawahan people just want the new-school, West Coast style of drumming to win because it's "cooler." The irony is that Boston's playstyle is actually very old-school, but people love them anyways.
@@karmew32rennick’s technique is the most new school. They were the first to do möller, the first to not use heights, and the first to not care about how everyone’s hands look.
I know because I was taught by old school cadet folks that would always shit on rennick’s approach for not turning their wrist, not hitting the drums hard enough, being too loose, and not looking the same.
@@kawalangdalawahan it may not be as old school as BD/Cavies/Cadets/Boston, but it’s certainly more old school than Bluecoats/pre-Rennick SCV/etc.
The Bay Area’s best. 🔥
13:35 😱😱😱
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Fred would confer their best work ever,would not call them goat,you must repeat serveral times,.Best SCV drumline ever in my opinion,will repeat if we have a country next year.
Paul knows the captain is dirty. Yeah you won but it could have been much better. I called him out preseason.
Jacobs Plains
8:40
Fantastic. Signature sound. I really appreciate how they have remained so stylistically Vanguard. But certainly a touch or so beneath what Boston is doing.
Please explain to me how what SCV is "certainly a touch or so beneath what Boston is doing?"
@Inspadave I think what he is saying is stylistically it still sounds like a Rennick book (ie. dynamics, touch, phrasing, etc.), but as far as chops go it's not as beefy as Boston's book BUT respectively it is not far behind either.
@@joshuaduquez9835 Agree to disagree about SCV’s being below in chops from Boston. SCV has that in spades.
I feel like vanguard actually has more notes than Boston. Boston’s book is very black and white, regimented. The fact that SCV has more notes and also has the touch and musicality they def have better chops.
@@CommentCorrector rhythmic complexity and contrast is something McNutt is even on record as saying he doesn't think about when he writes.
I can't tell when a Boston exercise ends and when their book begins in a lot vid.
3:06 6:27 8:39
18519 David Light
Karlee Groves
NO PLACE LIKE SC
Mckenzie Mountains
Tenors, bass and front for the W. Snares get clean for gods sake
Constantin Run
Gislason Shoals
Effertz Road
Bernhard Causeway
Turner Streets
Schimmel Via
Liked Bos better
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Jesus ill take boston all day over this. Except a handful of decent licks the majority of it is so basic it sounds like a damn high-school cadence. 5 stroke roll tap 5 sixteenth note city for long extended periods of time. Getting bostons book to the level they are playing it at imo is not only more impressive but much harder to achieve.
Dude, I’m glad you said this because I’m sure all the kids are dying for your ever qualified opinion.
We get it, the line you like didn’t win. Keep the pouting to yourself please. People complaining are making themselves and Boston look bad.
I think you should say it one more time on this same thread. 3 times wasn’t enough.
I bet this dude is still crying in his basement
Just bc it looks effortless doesn’t mean it’s easy. Look closely at what they’re actually playing, slow down the video if you have to. you’ll see…
They used to be my favorite corps. Now they get 9th.
what? they got 6th every single night
or do you just mean they're now your 9th favorite corps
Oh man i'm so glad that sports stays the same and the bulls never stopped winning, oh.