REPRO is Bad, A Star Wars Story www.icNashville.com Why Make Them Float?

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  • @hotroddidnothingwrong3220
    @hotroddidnothingwrong3220 3 роки тому +7

    Repro wouldn't be an issue if guys like you weren't charging people hundreds of dollars for pieces of plastic.

  • @charlescantu9107
    @charlescantu9107 4 роки тому +7

    wow, i tried to help the ICC community by letting them know the difference between repro cardbacks and vintage ones. I was up front about having repro in my collection and saying i don't hate the makers or anybody. My post gets deleted for "promoting repro". I then get kicked out of the group from an admin named Jeff because I told him I collect everything and that I'm a printing press operator and am knowledgeable on vintage printing. I also told him that I will no longer share my info and knowledge about printing to the ICC because my post was taken down. Its sad when the leader of this group cries NO Repro but doesn't educate his community on it. Repro will always be there and it sucks but you can't lie and say you don't have it when you do.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +3

      Brother you promoted Repro about 10 times in that post as you can see since you're commenting on this it is your that won't be allowed on the imperial commissary ever.

    • @charlescantu9107
      @charlescantu9107 4 роки тому +6

      @@ICCCnashville All I said was i have it in my collection and didn't lie about it, and if comparing repro cards to vintage cards with detailed pictures in a post is promoting it, then I don't even know what to call purchasing an entire collection of repro just because you felt sorry is. Why buy or spend any kind of money for something you don't like or want? Doesn't make sense. If your answer is to get it out of circulation then you wasted 2 months or 2 weeks of time and money doing it.

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +7

      Michael we collect vintage as well! Get over repro already! I am sure most of your Facebook group have reproduction but are too afraid of your bullying and getting kicked out and blacklisted from ICC. You will someday be a group of one. You are not the savoir of vintage Star Wars. It has moved on without you and all those living in their AFA tombs. We LOVE Star Wars and it is not exclusive to purists.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      @@charlescantu9107 unfortunately UA-cam doesn't allow me to post up a screenshot but in your post you said numerousthere was nothing wrong with Repro and you were defending it that will never be allowed on the IC.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +2

      @@jasonjohnson416 I love Star Wars very much and there is absolutely no reason forRepro I have built a new page where I will be chronicling the journey to all 96 complete figures starting with the $100 bill Repro is just for lazydon't want immediate gratification it is not collecting you do not collect vintage you collect Repro.

  • @CB-1973
    @CB-1973 4 роки тому +9

    "Repro is the path to the dark side. Repro leads to anger. Repro leads to hate. Repro leads to suffering."

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +6

      I think that hate for repro or collectors who can't afford or source vintage leads to hate. So really elitist snobbery leads to hate. YOU lead to hate.

    • @CB-1973
      @CB-1973 4 роки тому +1

      Jason Johnson have a good day sir!

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      Too you as well Carlos.

    • @ramoncardenas3420
      @ramoncardenas3420 4 роки тому

      Carlos Beltran is deleting post because hes hiding something about his past. Lol. You're a pathetic human being.

  • @thorswars1268
    @thorswars1268 4 роки тому +1

    Great video Michael!

  • @chefphilsfoodtravelstsompa82
    @chefphilsfoodtravelstsompa82 4 роки тому +4

    I agree %100,why make the weapons float?

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      They were not "made" to float. They float because of the switch from brittle resin to QUALITY flexible plastics.

    • @RetroDan16
      @RetroDan16 4 роки тому +2

      @@jasonjohnson416 Wrong. So wrong. These are deliberately engineered to float and mark my words when they copy an original that sank, they'll make it sink too.
      They make them slightly translucent, and again, if it's just sitting in the hand of a figure, why are these characteristics necessary? How often are you holding a repro jawa blaster up to the light to see the blue tinge? And why? Because 3rd party sellers use that as a 'proof' point as sales points. It does not matter if the producer states they're repro. It's the secondary sellers that are not declaring it that are the problem.

    • @chefphilsfoodtravelstsompa82
      @chefphilsfoodtravelstsompa82 4 роки тому

      Jason Johnson so the only reason they float is an accident due to the new plastic?what a laugh.

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      Vinyl plastic floats. Resin sinks. So yeah. The reason they float is because what they are made of.

    • @RetroDan16
      @RetroDan16 4 роки тому +1

      Jason Johnson you still haven’t explained why they show them with a light behind them to prove their translucency as well. Why is that also necessary if not to deceive down the line?

  • @zarnistastudios
    @zarnistastudios 4 роки тому +16

    I am sure this will get deleted. But I will screenshot and share on other groups.
    I notice you are wearing an unlicensed shirt. That goes against the purity you mention.
    Also, 90 percent of repro are not in it to rip other collectors off. I was there in 1977/78 and I am ok with reproduction parts to complete figures or collections.
    IF you are going to spend thousands on a small piece of plastic, then you need to do the work. Every reputable repro figure has a tell, and they do that for a reason.
    Be well.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +6

      I have an LFL trademark for that I went through the proper channels.

  • @habbinlad1
    @habbinlad1 4 роки тому +20

    You basically implied that her late husband was a liar?
    You're not on some noble crusade, and the sooner you realise this, the better you'll be for it.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +3

      She literally wrote it to me in an email brother it's not me implying anything.

    • @chrispybee
      @chrispybee 4 роки тому +2

      I’m sorry about the loss of ‘Joan’s’ husband, but if he had cardbacks and loose bubbles then he was ‘most likely’ in the process of making up cardback to sell on. Most likely had an eBay account and was ready to con the next person.
      End of the day. Her husband told her how much it was worth. He knew it was all fake - hell, probably make them himself! So yes, he was a liar.

  • @joeharg4695
    @joeharg4695 4 роки тому +2

    Wow that is one strong luke stormtrooper helmet. Seriously impressive, it makes me want to get one for my collection. What a great item.
    The POTF lightsaber does look totally rubbish in boba fett's hand - guess that is the reason for the repro lightsabers.

  • @Ranger7Studios
    @Ranger7Studios 4 роки тому +1

    The printing next to the proof of purchase is also misaligned.

  • @PSNStarpilot
    @PSNStarpilot 4 роки тому +17

    I do not have lots of money to spend on expensive last 17 Star Wars figures that sellers/collectors are jacking up the prices, Repro/Customs are a cheap alternative for collectors like me. I am more then happy to finish my collection off as how I WANT.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +1

      Hi brother I do truly understand that issue, so because of your comment I am going to build a Facebook page that will teach anyone that wants to learn how to collect a truly complete no Repro all 96 vintage Star Wars figures, with nothing but time knowledge and $100 total.
      Believe me I am not trying to exclude anyone with my no repro crusade I am just trying to get the knowledge out there that you can be a true collector and not spend a fortune, but you cannot be a true collector with Repro because they are counterfeit items and therefore not collectable. I hope you join.
      Thanks for the comment - IC

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      Join up brother! :)
      facebook.com/groups/343782573298753/?ref=share

  • @Lio_Convoy
    @Lio_Convoy 4 роки тому +6

    I know you saw my comment since you deleted it, Havens. It had no cussing in it. Since you didn't challenge the assertion, that tells me it's likely true. I'm coming for you, big boi. >:)

    • @thorswars1268
      @thorswars1268 4 роки тому

      Thanks Lio for helping me to find the ICCC UA-cam channel. The garbage video you did is serving some good.

    • @Lio_Convoy
      @Lio_Convoy 4 роки тому +1

      @@thorswars1268 Turn yourself into a statistic. See if you can do it in one shot!

    • @thorswars1268
      @thorswars1268 4 роки тому

      @@Lio_Convoy it won't work if it is a Repro gun. Go with your repro buddies and stop making a fool of yourself.

    • @Lio_Convoy
      @Lio_Convoy 4 роки тому

      @@thorswars1268 Oh, I don't think you should use a repro. I think you need to go to walmart and buy a small one. Get a bit of ammo, and see how many shots it takes. You can do it, champ! Then all your toys will be what they always truly were; worthless. Just like their owner!

  • @collectorman101
    @collectorman101 4 роки тому

    Those are repro, repro is like the retro collection line those are bootlegs figures that weren't licensed by Hasbro

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      There's lots of confusion in that statement brother. Repro is anything madeto look as close to the original as possible to fool new collectors.
      bootlegs or anyting unlicensed made in small factories whete Kenner and Star Wars are not produced or sold. The new Hasbro retro collection is marked and differently shaped and has different towels and is very easy to tell with the weaponsthat they are not vintage but it still doesn't change the fact that has grown so licenses and the right to produce any of toys. So they are not Repro they are not bootleg they are officially licensed merch.

    • @collectorman101
      @collectorman101 4 роки тому +1

      @@ICCCnashville uh no the retro collection is OFFICIALLY LICENSED reproduced original figures bootleg is anything made/sold illegally it has nothing to do with factory size or who made it anything made unofficially is bootleg maybe the word repro rolls of the tongue better but now you your self is confusing collectors look up the definition of reproduction and bootlegs

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      @@collectorman101 just an autocorrect brother if you reread "has grow" is Hasbro.
      But bootlegs are different if you send me a PM I can send you some pictures of what they look like. II understand that bootlegs in other things are knockoffs of the original button vintage Star Wars bootlegs is a subset of weird items that were only produced in places where they didn't have licensing like the UZAY line that would never be confused with originals.

  • @jasonjohnson416
    @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +6

    This dispute all comes down to preserving the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. The passing off as true vintage is minimal. Maybe the anti-repro collectors could flood the market with vintage weapons instead of hoarding them. If the repro weapons are good quality and serve the same function than they are as good as vintage. Pay vintage price for repro, get them for a deal whatever. Who cares. It's all plastic. You seem like you are going to have a stroke over it and mental break. Buddy it's a global pandemic. There are bigger things to care about.

    • @RetroDan16
      @RetroDan16 4 роки тому +1

      Yet here you are trying to justify them lol.

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      Oh jeez don't you get it? I am just answering Michael's question. He does not understand why they float so trying to be a helpful lad.

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      And you are jealous plain and simple. Jealous that we can have too.

    • @RetroDan16
      @RetroDan16 4 роки тому

      Jason Johnson yeah, no. Look, I took a patient 5 years nearly to complete my loose run, which was fantastic fun and I made a lot of friends on the way. Now I’m finished, I take time to help others complete theirs without getting stung. I have nothing to be jealous of because I love the hobby and the friends I’ve made from it.

  • @stevengascon8459
    @stevengascon8459 4 роки тому +4

    Well done Mike. So helpful for a new collector like me. Appreciate your love and passion all our love that is Star Wars!!

  • @alfredlopez1977
    @alfredlopez1977 4 роки тому +5

    Each to his own. Your opinion is only that .. just another opinion; definitely not Gospel. I love Repros and will continue to buy and support.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      If there is any chance you want to try really collecting Star Wars I just created a page on which I will be collecting an entire complete 96 set only starting with $100. I will show how it's very possible to be a cost-effective collector and have legitimate items.

  • @paulcarden8119
    @paulcarden8119 4 роки тому +8

    Aren't you going to destroy the unlicensed cap you are wearing then ????

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +6

      I have an LFL trademark for that logo I went through the proper channels lol

    • @paulcarden8119
      @paulcarden8119 4 роки тому +1

      Really

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      @@paulcarden8119 yes really you could screenshot anything I've ever said in the history of ever and every single time it's the truth. Sometimes people like it sometimes people don't but it's the truth.

    • @Lio_Convoy
      @Lio_Convoy 4 роки тому +2

      @@ICCCnashville LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you accuse people of intent to defraud regularly without any actual evidence that it IS their intent.

    • @BluGhostCustoms
      @BluGhostCustoms 4 роки тому

      @@Lio_Convoy Wait a minute, then what about Mexican Bootlegs?... at the time those WERE considered Repro were they not?.... MH sells those as well.... Not complaining just pointing that out.

  • @williamweinstiger5356
    @williamweinstiger5356 4 роки тому +4

    There are 3 great lessons i have learned from this. 1 Always have life insurance. 2 If you collect anything, collect it because you enjoy it. Not to profit. 3 Repo is the death of collecting. thank you ICCC !!!

  • @shaungates81
    @shaungates81 4 роки тому +4

    Great video Mike. Anyone selling repro knowingly ripping off a customer is garbage. There’s no reason to make them exact to the real deal other than duping someone out of money. Garbage.

  • @Chris365Smith
    @Chris365Smith 4 роки тому +7

    And Michael, we have spoken since and have no chew, but just post your video and see how many likes and dislikes there are and then you get a picture of who really likes them or not.... Not posting on your group telling people to put a thumbs up as the repro people are disliking it, your coming accross desperate with this story and your post on your group

  • @Chris365Smith
    @Chris365Smith 4 роки тому +19

    So now negative comments are getting deleted. That's ironic.
    If this far fetched story happened to be true, then it's even worse, the women has lost her husband, .. You basically call him a liar, and then still buy the collection and you destroy it all for poor Joan to watch 😂😂😂😂. The things that her husband loved... if you like it or not.
    The right thing to do if your going to pay her, is let her keep it for display as a memory.
    But the story is absolute codswallop

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +1

      I deleted your comments because you were cussing just like in the voicemail on my personal phone you left me I always delete cussing. :)

    • @Chris365Smith
      @Chris365Smith 4 роки тому +4

      You've got the wrong person, look again Michael
      Youve lied, 14 seconds in, this started 2 weeks ago.
      24. 41 mins in you say you've helped Joan for the last 2 months????????

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +2

      I also had to remove your comment you just made because you cussed three times in it I have a screenshot if anyone would like to see.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +1

      @@Chris365Smith you're the guy who owns Smith Lord now right? Maybe I'm wrong I can't keep you Repro guys straight you come up and disappear after a couple years once you've stolen enough money from the hobby.

    • @Chris365Smith
      @Chris365Smith 4 роки тому +5

      No that's Chris Krahn.
      You lie about dead people, youve just made up a lie and I've just proven it

  • @Ranger7Studios
    @Ranger7Studios 4 роки тому +2

  • @thepopularbeatcombo
    @thepopularbeatcombo 4 роки тому +14

    Stop dictating how people can collect FFS. You don't like Repro? Don't buy it. These are toys, not civil rights. Yeah... i've been stung. We all have. We all get educated. But some of us enjoy customs, aren't as rich as you or want to let their kids doesn't make us scum. It's fine to set rules on your group... i get that. But stop imposing your bull on everyone else. There's SO much better causes to get upset about.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +6

      Brother this is my UA-cam you don't have watch it. :)
      Also just to clarify customs are awesome and here are the definitions both explained in length in the video if you care to watch.
      Customs = any original idea that cannot be confused with the original.
      Repro - anything made to look as close to the original as to steal from collectors.

    • @chrispybee
      @chrispybee 4 роки тому +3

      Customs and repro are two separate things.

    • @zufalllx
      @zufalllx 4 роки тому +1

      We all have not. ;)

    • @fotopraktica
      @fotopraktica 4 роки тому +1

      @@ICCCnashville Yeah you like being in an echo chamber ,can't defend your pathetic views .Hey fat man wanna buy me an original Leia blaster ?

  • @sageanimist48
    @sageanimist48 4 роки тому

    So I take it you found out where he was buying them all from

  • @croman0769
    @croman0769 4 роки тому +3

    the worst is when they sell you something like new, and everything is reproduction , from the card and all accessories and they price asked is like original , that is a big loss for the buyer not knowing what the get

  • @justindavis691
    @justindavis691 4 роки тому +2

    100% support this message!!

  • @tesbtimeline4121
    @tesbtimeline4121 4 роки тому +8

    Great video. Showcases the dangers of reproduction/counterfeit items in the SW collecting community. Also shows the greed of the manufacturers of such things.

    • @charlescantu9107
      @charlescantu9107 4 роки тому +3

      Who's more greedy? The Manufactures of repro that sell at an affordable price or the person who says he has the real deal and makes people outbid each other and overpay for an item? Just remember what Obi-Wan said " Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him"

  • @m.a.g4756
    @m.a.g4756 4 роки тому +5

    The sooner these companies/people are stopped making repro the better

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +5

      The sooner you realize your investment is declining in value the sooner collectors can have fun with Star Wars again

    • @chefphilsfoodtravelstsompa82
      @chefphilsfoodtravelstsompa82 4 роки тому

      Jason Johnson declining in value,quality vintage is through the roof,what are you talking about?

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +2

      The bottom will fall out just like it did for model trains snd wind up robots. The prices are still high on vintage 12" Joe but buyers dwindling. You think the millenials are going to want to fork out for vintage Star Wars. Not many. Addicts always percieve their collection to be worth far more than they can sell it for. I'm not denying the prices out there but is the demand the same? I support repro for those who can't pay inflated prices. Now that is stealing, not the collectors who buy repro here and there to prop up their vintage figuresand round out a set, the theives are the hoarders and purists who inflate prices and yes the ones who sell repro with the vintage price tag.

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      The best thing that can happen is for the market to be flooded with quality reproductions and vintage so everyone can afford and enjoy these.

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +2

      I also tried to get my niece and nephew into Star Wars and Transformers but they could never find any of the toys they wanted because of GROWN MEN buying and scalping toys to other GROWN MEN. Telling you all the kids I know of are totally disenfranchised with those lines. Because of inaccessibility. So there goes your future collectors.

  • @tastypenguin5109
    @tastypenguin5109 4 роки тому +7

    Repro is bad. End of story.

  • @jasonjohnson416
    @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +3

    They float because of the materials they are made of. Collectors who can not source or afford the vintage weapons prefer the newer repro soft plastic over brittle sinkable resin. The repro weapons are really great. Not worth getting too worked up over plastic. Those who do are spiralling into their own tombs.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому +2

      The old ones didn't float it was not necessary to make the change they made the molds closer to the original and they started to make them float in order to try to beat authenticity tests.

    • @RetroDan16
      @RetroDan16 4 роки тому +3

      Why do they also strive to make them translucent Jason? Why do they even try to replicate ejector pin marks and artificially attempt to age them if not to deceive?

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +3

      The old ones were garbage resin that snap easy. Why wouldn't collectors want decent ones. The only people being fooled are those who waste their money on overpriced plastic and fools who think of their collection as an investment. The Millenials and future generations will not care about any of this vintage stuff or pay the percieved value.

    • @ICCCnashville
      @ICCCnashville  4 роки тому

      I think it's hilarious how you say "collectors" real collector's won't touch repro.
      So do you go to an NRA meeting and say "I am a huge gun collector I collect rubber band guns that I'm making my garage. " Lol 🤣 why is this the only thing where people think they are collectors if they don't actually collect the product they say they collect?

    • @jasonjohnson416
      @jasonjohnson416 4 роки тому +1

      We collect vintage too. We are just not fools to waste money on overpriced action figure props when the quality ones suffice or are in some cases superior. Your analogy makes no sense. I hope I am not shamed for my repro custom made rifle butt would make more sense. The weapons the cards all that stuff is just accessorizing or propping up vintage figures. Get over it!