HD 8XX has a HUGE PROBLEM!!

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  • Опубліковано 16 вер 2024

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  • @DMS3TV
    @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +353

    Also I want to note, the production 8XX is nothing like the pre-production unit that was passed around to reviewers months ago! A lot of us LIKED the old pre-production unit before it was changed into THIS....

    • @kyron42
      @kyron42 3 роки тому +4

      I wouldn't worry too much. It won't be long before drop brings out a new model that fixes this.

    • @ChristofurLandar
      @ChristofurLandar 3 роки тому +67

      I feel bad for all of those who jumped on the pre-order when looking at the initial measurements they posted on the product page. Feels like a massive bait and switch.

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +49

      @@kyron42 doubtful

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +65

      @@ChristofurLandar yeah it really does.

    • @allansh828
      @allansh828 3 роки тому +4

      so a Drop Panda dejavu?

  • @bardenhick2121
    @bardenhick2121 3 роки тому +244

    I don’t know what’s deeper, the 2k dip or everyone’s disappointment after learning about it 😬

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +138

      My disappointment is deeper than -11db

    • @zariumsheridan3488
      @zariumsheridan3488 3 роки тому +5

      And I thought 3-5db peak at ~6khz in HD800 was very annoying :) -11db is like Mariana trench. Especially for supposedly high end headphones :)

  • @enlistenmusic1719
    @enlistenmusic1719 3 роки тому +126

    Jesus, that 2K dip is monumental. For a headphone retailing over 1200 dollars, that seems pretty unacceptable to me. That’s pretty disappointing due to how incredibly drop has handled past Sennheiser offerings.

  • @aGrimTurtle
    @aGrimTurtle 11 місяців тому +4

    I just got an open box 8XX for $650 and have never been shy about EQ, so I love it. According to oratory and many forum posts, when EQ'd, the 8XX and 800s are indistinguishable. I'm very, very happy with my purchase. I've made two EQ profiles - a slight alteration to the oratory profile, and a profile that very closely mimics the 800s. It's crazy good value if you aren't afraid of Equalizer APO. End-game worthy for half the cost

    • @coloradoing9172
      @coloradoing9172 3 місяці тому +1

      It's crazy the obsession the community has with coloring sound with equipment that's supposed to be neutral (Amps and DACs) while shunning EQing, which can be done entirely for free.

  • @RathOX
    @RathOX 3 роки тому +126

    The old pre-production unit was actaully much better…not sure how they fucked it up tbh

    • @hotam138
      @hotam138 3 роки тому +23

      There is a moderator named Marvey on an audio forum named SBAF who seems to be very good at writing/reviewing of audio gears and science but IMO having an old-fashioned taste. Drop sent him a few HD8xx prototypes to receiving his opinions for "perfecting" the headphone. Unfortunately, ultimately we all see that one who are a high-regarded audiophile critic cannot always help you to create great audio stuffs.

    • @trixniisama
      @trixniisama 3 роки тому +13

      @@hotam138 Well that's Drop's fault for only listening to one person in the end.

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- 2 роки тому +2

      @@hotam138
      How old is he? Older ears arent reliable for tuning audio gear from what i have seen

  • @allydea
    @allydea 3 роки тому +9

    The HD8XX sounds like a great marketing campaign to sell more HD800S.

  • @eruilluvitar
    @eruilluvitar 3 роки тому +63

    So what you're saying is that you need two Lokius when you buy this. Got it.

    • @vcmusik
      @vcmusik 3 роки тому +16

      You could say we're in deep Schiit.

    • @KaneAmaroq
      @KaneAmaroq 3 роки тому +2

      Or just use Equalizer APO or any other software parametric EQ. Unless you're using a CD transport or Vinyl or something, there's no reason not to. It costs no money, it's less distorted (objectively so, that's how digital signals work) than analog solutions, and you have much more fine control to make it sound EXACTLY how you want it to. It's literally just better in terms of both sound and results.
      I've heard some people claim that software EQ somehow affects dynamic range, but that's also untrue. Any "loss" in range is inaudible due to the fact that a 24 bit signal goes about -144 dB deep, and you can't even use about 23 dB of that because it's all just noise. So unless you're somehow boosting signals more than 20+ dB (which you really shouldn't), nothing is actually lost when you adjust everything a little lower.

    • @eruilluvitar
      @eruilluvitar 3 роки тому +2

      @@KaneAmaroq Yeah, you absolutely could use software EQ if you so choose and if it's an option. My comment was simply based off of Douglas's review when he said one Lokius was insufficient to fix the timing problems of the 8XX. My apologies if the sarcastic nature of my comment didn't come through - I'm not always good at making my sarcasm obvious.

    • @ChrisStoneinator
      @ChrisStoneinator 2 роки тому

      @@KaneAmaroq Messing around with software solutions is more of a hassle than just turning knobs in the case of home listening, it slows down experimentation and gets in the way when I'm trying to do something else. I don't tend to mess with EQ, but if I did, I'd certainly want a hardware solution. If I'm listening as a foreground activity (where I'd in theory have more time for tinkering), I'll use CDs anyway so in both cases Schiit wins. Not to mention the fact that digital EQing is far from perfect anyway, having done my bachelor's project in the field lol

  • @kcmichaelm
    @kcmichaelm 3 роки тому +13

    Thank you for publishing this. It led to me cancelling my pre-order. I was so excited from the earlier reviews, and my disappointment is so high right now :(

  • @amargnwalkr
    @amargnwalkr 3 роки тому +43

    It's such a damn shame. Everyone wanted the 800s equivalent of the 6XX- a cheaper version that was just as good. That would have sold huge numbers, I think. Now they have a headphone no one will want, not to mention a lot of pissed off pre-order-ers.

    • @bengsynthmusic
      @bengsynthmusic 2 роки тому +1

      As soon as I heard they're working on a cheaper HD800S, I thought, "Great, they're going to boost the bass," which I don't want. Just annoying that they feel the need to change sound profile.

  • @razisn
    @razisn 3 роки тому +30

    In my country in the EU the HD800s currently retail for euro 1300 including 24% VAT.., no point for the HD8XX

    • @oskarnone5288
      @oskarnone5288 3 роки тому

      24% vat? where do you live?

    • @Joelsfilmer
      @Joelsfilmer 2 роки тому +1

      @@oskarnone5288 Romania or Finland, probably. 20% (more or less) is basically the norm in Europe and not uncommon in the rest of the world either.

  • @lowrider007007
    @lowrider007007 3 роки тому +11

    Much kudos for the 21:9 aspect ratio!

    • @asplmn
      @asplmn 3 роки тому

      Yup, definitely enjoying those black bars on the top and bottom... ;)

  • @MangoTalksTech
    @MangoTalksTech 3 роки тому +14

    This is a review I’ve been eagerly waiting for!

  • @Lemonpinesol
    @Lemonpinesol 3 роки тому +127

    Hope youre doing ok with the medical stuff bud, thanks for the vid

    • @louiev.3367
      @louiev.3367 3 роки тому +2

      Yea it sucks how some people just go through problems like that makes me glad all i get is a minor cold once in a while

  • @wfwlan7654
    @wfwlan7654 3 роки тому +7

    I really have to say that I absolutely liked the lighting in this video. Your videos are always absolute highest quality imaginable but I often felt like the background was too shady. That's why I liked this lightblue rooom with the sunset soo much. 😍

    • @kisu_ve625
      @kisu_ve625 2 роки тому +1

      S T I M U L A T I O N

  • @dansaudioreviews
    @dansaudioreviews 3 роки тому +9

    Very interesting! I try to avoid looking at other reviewers’ takes on gear I haven’t heard yet, but your title caught my attention. Looks like it’ll be a wild time to review these when they send the review unit to me soon!

  • @subbot8077
    @subbot8077 3 роки тому +9

    *You were the chosen one, HD 8XX!*

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +20

      HD800S has the high-ground

    • @marksafe5463
      @marksafe5463 3 роки тому

      @@DMS3TV Well if we’re making Star Wars references maybe the next headphones they make come in twins?

  • @mrshadow70835
    @mrshadow70835 3 роки тому +4

    I really love the sun set in the back

  • @AndrewWoodford
    @AndrewWoodford 3 роки тому +19

    I cracked up laughing when you showed the graphs.

  • @kennethartates
    @kennethartates 3 роки тому +9

    Finally. I've been waiting for this review.

  • @bitterbuffalo8997
    @bitterbuffalo8997 3 роки тому +34

    I don't think Massdrop has tuned a single good headphone. But for some reason they like to position themselves as curators of fine audio, but really they are just a reseller of the HD 650.

    • @TalesOfGod
      @TalesOfGod 3 роки тому

      The Massdrop Plus is a good tuned IEM but I can't think of any headphones that they did well.

    • @bengsynthmusic
      @bengsynthmusic 2 роки тому

      All they had to do was resell the HD800S cheaper.

    • @chethammer
      @chethammer 2 роки тому +2

      @@TalesOfGod 6xx?

    • @johnpickering2008
      @johnpickering2008 2 роки тому +1

      aeon flox open x?

  • @ClintAvila
    @ClintAvila 3 роки тому +3

    I was going to get the 8XX but I was ready to buy 6 months ago and got a pristine pair of HD800S for less than the 8XX. I kept wondering if I should have waited. So glad I didn't. I LOVE my HD800S paired with Xduoo TA-30. And as a side note I upgraded the cable to Audio Envy. Now that is truly a WTF upgrade. I get excited every time I listen to music. I say to myself how can a wire be so superior to what the factory is offering on a their top model. My HD800S truly make me happy. I also have HD6XX. Love those, too. Kinda want to upgrade the cable on those now but cable cost more than I paid for the headphones. 🤔

    • @18yearsoldnot
      @18yearsoldnot 2 роки тому +1

      Did you try to see if the cable made a difference with other amps?

    • @ClintAvila
      @ClintAvila 2 роки тому +2

      @@18yearsoldnot I've had quite a journey since I posted this 10 months ago. My headphone collection has grown quite a bit. I added a FiiO K9 Pro amp/Dac to my collection and absolutely love it. It brought a new level of bass, kick and micro detail over my XDuoo TA-30. The tube amp still has a lusher midrange and gave a still excellent and highly enjoyable sound. But I have now taken a dive into the deepest end of the pool and purchased a Burson Conductor 3X GT. I can say without a shadow of doubt that there is definitely a lot more music to hear with a class A amp/Dac. Sorry I got off track but to answer your question.. Absolutely. The Audio Envy Tonekraft cable produces the same result no matter the amp. I just did another A/B test with my new Burson. The difference is identifiable with the first note of any track I play. The factory cable is clear yet somehow muffled sounding after you hear the AE cable. If your interested go to their website. They have a 20 second clip you can play showing the difference. That clip's sound is exactly what it does to a headphones sound. It goes from sounding like a recording to sounding like LIVE music. I wish I could afford to get more of these cables for all my headphones but I gotta behave myself for a while after the Burson purchase. LOL. I've got my endgame amp. Still have my eye on a pair of HiFiMan HE1000SE. Oh the addiction of this hobby. 😁🙃

  • @matticeverhoeven6539
    @matticeverhoeven6539 3 роки тому +41

    Tuned by Zeos, good job buddy

    • @GrumpiestKitten
      @GrumpiestKitten 3 роки тому +5

      Marvey from SBAF also loved it so I guess they both like whacky tunings.

    • @yogiwp_
      @yogiwp_ 3 роки тому +4

      Zeos can like any tuning if it happens to sound good on whatever random song came up when he tested.

    • @jamesmoore4827
      @jamesmoore4827 3 роки тому +4

      Lol. Yeah Zeos is not a serious reviewer. More infotainment.

    • @Sarjan
      @Sarjan 3 роки тому

      Z tuned those?

    • @matticeverhoeven6539
      @matticeverhoeven6539 3 роки тому +1

      @@Sarjan watch his review. Drop was sending him a pair of the 8XX throughout the tuning process and making changes based off his feedback. Basically, drop is only going to release something that gets a good review from him (and possibly others according to the comment above)

  • @GarrettDerp
    @GarrettDerp Рік тому +2

    Check Amazon for the lambskin replacement headband for these. It's a lot more comfortable than the OEM one, and looks nicer.

  • @panzerfan
    @panzerfan Місяць тому

    Thank you DMS. I know that I am years late to the party, but I want to report that getting rid of the adhesive that blocked the vent holes over the drivers have done the trick in fixing the 1k-3k for HD8XX.

  • @Shoaibexpert
    @Shoaibexpert 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for your open and honest opinion. Glad to kept my old used 800S...

  • @koolpep
    @koolpep 3 роки тому +2

    I am sooooo happy to have waited with getting this one. Thanks a lot man.

    • @elasmojones
      @elasmojones 3 роки тому

      I was hoping to win my fantasy baseball league to be able to afford these...saved me a bit waiting this long.

  • @Exeonz
    @Exeonz 3 роки тому +6

    DMS thanks for including Crinacle in your video, his UA-cam channel is still less known and smol compared to other channels.

  • @metal571
    @metal571 3 роки тому +17

    Died @ sky vs sea

    • @ELJefeReviews
      @ELJefeReviews 3 роки тому +1

      I nearly spit out my drink when I saw the turtle! Doug's got jokes!😆

    • @metal571
      @metal571 3 роки тому +3

      @@ELJefeReviews classic Marks, he is the Meme Machine

  • @matthewdavies2057
    @matthewdavies2057 3 роки тому +6

    Wonder if Sen's new owners insisted on a larger sound degradation before they'd let the 8XX go into production at Drop?

  • @AngeloRyanMaalat
    @AngeloRyanMaalat 3 роки тому +21

    with all the negative reviews has Drop responded at all? Has pre-orders been cancelled? The negative response surely deserves to be addressed right?

    • @matthewblackwood9653
      @matthewblackwood9653 3 роки тому +8

      I definitely refunded my pre-purchase.

    • @irondad007
      @irondad007 3 роки тому +4

      Me too.

    • @lockjaw333
      @lockjaw333 3 роки тому +8

      I cancelled my order, and by the looks of the plumetting preorders many others have too. I really think they should delay the launch and go back to the previous tuning version, which was a small departure from the HD800s.

    • @AngeloRyanMaalat
      @AngeloRyanMaalat 3 роки тому +3

      @@lockjaw333 honestly I was waiting for this answer, it's the appropriate response, especially with the consumer audio division being sold recently at Sennheiser. Regardless of that divisions involvement or not, it's not a good look moving forward having their flagship be a bust after the acquisition.

    • @espressoshot21
      @espressoshot21 3 роки тому

      I got an email today notifying that it has been shipped out…

  • @jusplainscott
    @jusplainscott 3 роки тому +18

    There is no "oof" big enough to really cover this disappointment.

  • @disco4535
    @disco4535 3 роки тому +11

    There has to be some philosophy behind creating that dip, right? I'd be really curious to hear from the engineers what the purpose is, and the thought process behind it

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +30

      I think the idea was “give it more bass at any cost”

    • @34332
      @34332 3 роки тому

      @Disco
      That's a real good question. Can't imagine its only to push bass. How serious do they take listeners for this kind of money? This kind of cans are extensively reviewed and tested, so what where they thinking... 🤔

    • @hotam138
      @hotam138 3 роки тому +3

      There is a moderator named Marvey on an audio forum named SBAF who seems to be very good at writing/reviewing of audio gears and science but IMO having an old-fashioned taste. Drop sent him a few HD8xx prototypes to receiving his opinions for "perfecting" the headphone. Unfortunately, ultimately we all see that one who are a high-regarded audiophile critic cannot always help you to create great audio stuffs.

    • @MFHRaptor
      @MFHRaptor 3 роки тому

      @Disco We're looking at it from our point of view, and we don't know the other side of it. You're right. I'd say it's a business managerial miscommunication.

  • @ELJefeReviews
    @ELJefeReviews 3 роки тому +14

    Awesome work Doug! Looks like the HD6XX is still the way to go!

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +10

      Thanks! 😄 I think 6XX will be the king for a looooooong time

    • @allansh828
      @allansh828 3 роки тому +1

      you still haven't bought HD6XX to this day? There are slightly more expensive but much easier to drive headphones on today's market, and I would choose those over HD6XX.

    • @ELJefeReviews
      @ELJefeReviews 3 роки тому +1

      @@allansh828 I own the 6XX. I reviewed them on my own channel over a year ago.

    • @enjoshi-godrez8775
      @enjoshi-godrez8775 3 роки тому +3

      @@ELJefeReviews the 800 sires is in an entirely different league. Its like someone giving a negative review of a Ferrari, then you say "looks like the honda civic is still the way to go!". like what???

    • @frankmonroe9696
      @frankmonroe9696 3 роки тому +2

      @@enjoshi-godrez8775 A Honda Civic with 800hp would be more accurate.

  • @ethanoux10
    @ethanoux10 3 роки тому +9

    Idk who approved that dip that's insane

  • @allansh828
    @allansh828 3 роки тому +11

    still waiting for HE-1 XX

  • @schlooonginator1227
    @schlooonginator1227 3 роки тому +6

    You could almost say that its a "mass drop" at 2k. har har har.

  • @Just_Pele
    @Just_Pele 3 роки тому +4

    Yep. Kept my HD8XX for 2 weeks, to make sure that a break-in period wouldn't help (it didn't, they still SUCKED), and sent them back. I still have my old modded HD800 set though, and I'm never letting them leave my wall (they're from the original launch and I've already rebuilt them twice). While they don't have the sub bass of the HD800S, let alone the HD8XX, their combination of clarity, timbre, resolution, and soundstage is unmatched by anything shipping today (and I have STAX, ABYSS, and other nosebleed-tier planars). They're the first $1000+ cans I ever bought, and in retrospect, if I'd stopped there and never bought another set of open over-ear headphones, I don't think I would have missed-out on very much. Plus they really do make the most of everything you use upstream.
    I want a darker, layered, textured sound? Valhalla 2.
    I want smooth, clean power with a huge soundstage? Ragnarok.
    I want energy for days with massive amounts of body? Lyr. (I'm a Schiit-head, if you can't tell. My main DAC is a Yggdrasil.)

    • @hotam138
      @hotam138 3 роки тому

      Schiit gears sound mediocrely (even for their price tier) to my ears

    • @Just_Pele
      @Just_Pele 3 роки тому

      @@hotam138 That's a shame.

  • @Armbrust210
    @Armbrust210 3 роки тому +12

    Also the balanced cable was cut with the 8XX in favor of the price, so if you've planned to use the 8XX in that way, you'd need to plan for the cost of a new cable as well

  • @ulamss5
    @ulamss5 2 роки тому +3

    Has anyone attempted and measured removing the back vent dampeners yet? seems viable with some small tweezers?

  • @bengsynthmusic
    @bengsynthmusic 2 роки тому +7

    Ever since they changed their name to Drop (from Massdrop), so did their reputation. They executed the 6xx perfectly. But all of a sudden, they take audiophile gadgets and package them to non-audiophile Beats bassheads. All they had to do is fix the low end distortion, maybe give it a different color scheme, and most importantly set a great price.

    • @Joelsfilmer
      @Joelsfilmer 2 роки тому +3

      I think the braindead name change really set the standard going forward. Quirkily non-descriptive and hopeless for search engines.

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- 2 роки тому +3

      Bassheads are also audiophiles, thats like calling Nascar pilots "wannabe pilots"

    • @bengsynthmusic
      @bengsynthmusic 2 роки тому

      @@A-G-F-
      I highly disagree. Bassheads are just that, bassheads. Audiophiles care about the full spectrum of sound with extra detail.

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- 2 роки тому +3

      @@bengsynthmusic
      To each their own, but i think that sound targets are prefferences.
      Some may preffer extra bass, some may not

    • @pododododoehoh3550
      @pododododoehoh3550 11 місяців тому

      @@A-G-F- I agree its a preference but I don't agree that it fits the audiophile nomer to want EXTRA bass, fair enough if you do but being an audiophile is chasing audio quality and hence audiophile gear prioritises authenticity, increasing detail, a wider soundstage and improved clarity in you lows sure but simply chasing bass boosted louder than it was recorded has f all to do with being an audiophile. Thats Basshead behaviour, typical of most teenagers. (still not a bad thing if its what one's into).

  • @musen296
    @musen296 3 роки тому +8

    It seems a much better idea is to get the 800s and EQ that one. 11db is a loooooooooot.

    • @wesman246
      @wesman246 3 роки тому +1

      My thoughts exactly

    • @matthiasbroek8055
      @matthiasbroek8055 2 роки тому

      To my ears the hd800s needs way more EQ than the 8xx do. It all comes down to personal preferences. Can you hear the dip at 2k, yes although I miss out on fullness in that range it also makes the sound stage less busy, places some voices and instruments a bit further back and gives better separation, things I like but might not be everyone’s cup of tea. With the hd800s I get a more forward , in your face, upper mid range more congested sound with more high frequency distortion and almost no bass. So I’ll take the dip which in my ears make the 8xx sound more balanced and meatier sounding compared to the 800s. Now comparing to the Arya, LCD-x and clears to see which I like better. Because truth to be told, the 8xx are not perfect yet.

  • @jonharvey6295
    @jonharvey6295 3 роки тому +2

    Love that dms is such a huge mac miller fan

  • @waelal-zubieri5358
    @waelal-zubieri5358 3 роки тому +4

    I am really curious who made the decisions to change the sound like this. Like there is no way it was not intentional. Also I think people would have been happy with just a cheaper 800s. Just like how the 6xx was just a cheaper 650. So weird.

    • @hotam138
      @hotam138 3 роки тому +1

      There is a moderator named Marvey on an audio forum named SBAF who seems to be very good at writing/reviewing of audio gears and science but IMO having an old-fashioned taste. Drop sent him a few HD8xx prototypes to receiving his opinions for "perfecting" the headphone. Unfortunately, ultimately we all see that one who are a high-regarded audiophile critic cannot always help you to create great audio stuffs.

    • @pododododoehoh3550
      @pododododoehoh3550 11 місяців тому

      why did u copy paste this all over this vid?@@hotam138

  • @Yuzume
    @Yuzume 3 роки тому +1

    OMG I love the Crinacle cameo!!

  • @nourez182
    @nourez182 3 роки тому +6

    Me: I wonder if I could just crank up the 2k knob on my Loki and fix this
    DMS: The Lokius maxed out isn't enough of a boost to fix this
    Me: Oh...

  • @MrBlitzpunk
    @MrBlitzpunk 3 роки тому +2

    Have you ever reviewed the Shure SRH1840? Seem like proper headphone from a known company but i rarely hear it mentioned

  • @WheezyTech
    @WheezyTech 3 роки тому +6

    Big oof, why Drop, why?

    • @hotam138
      @hotam138 3 роки тому

      There is a moderator named Marvey on an audio forum named SBAF who seems to be very good at writing/reviewing of audio gears and science but IMO having an old-fashioned taste. Drop sent him a few HD8xx prototypes to receiving his opinions for "perfecting" the headphone. Unfortunately, ultimately we all see that one who are a high-regarded audiophile critic cannot always help you to create great audio stuffs.

  • @thewheelchairone
    @thewheelchairone 3 роки тому +2

    Can you please review the new IFI Signature HFM Amp / DAC combo? Thank you :)

  • @alroe4067
    @alroe4067 2 роки тому +1

    What's a free-field headphone? Asking for a friend

  • @musicxxa6678
    @musicxxa6678 2 роки тому +1

    I would go with LCD X 2021 at this price point.

  • @LetterQu
    @LetterQu 3 роки тому

    wow full screen youtube video really hit different i love it

  • @skylordquasar
    @skylordquasar 3 роки тому +3

    Any chance removing the tape might make them decent even if they aren't the same as the HD 800s?

  • @rexxar6283
    @rexxar6283 3 роки тому

    Hey DMS, I was wondering if in the future you could make a video on categorising headphones based on the type of music they're best suited to. That would be awesome if you could do that, because as a new member into this hobby, choosing between headphones is so hard since all of them have so much strengths and weaknesses but I have no clue on how they apply to actual listening experience. Thanks in advance if you ever decide to go with this idea!

  • @joezuu
    @joezuu 3 роки тому +3

    The tone curve Drop has on the product page shows a 2k dip that doesn't go any lower than the one on the HD800s. I wonder why that is. Are they lying about what they're selling you?

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +2

      They measured the 8XX at a higher volume so the bottom of the dips align.

    • @joezuu
      @joezuu 3 роки тому

      @@DMS3TV Would you consider that to be honestly representing the product then?

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +8

      @@joezuu No. I think it’s misleading.
      For comparison my measurements in this video are what it’s like when the headphones are both volume-matched.

    • @v.i.l.o.
      @v.i.l.o. 3 роки тому

      @@DMS3TV so you implying that drop people are a bunch of dishonest sh!theads?

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +1

      @@v.i.l.o. harsh way to put it but I believe their marketing is misleading.

  • @laithbarsoom8627
    @laithbarsoom8627 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @towsifshahriarshovo
    @towsifshahriarshovo 3 роки тому

    Waiting for your 6xx close back review. Please make Sundara close back, that's going to be awesome 😍

  • @SpookySkeletonGang
    @SpookySkeletonGang 3 роки тому +1

    Surely if it's just dampening and some tape, and if all the big reviewers are going to just shit on it, SURELY they'll be able to fix it right? Please fix it I want to buy an HD800...

  • @k-lawn
    @k-lawn 2 роки тому

    I hope they come to their senses and release a driver revision with the same dampening on the 800S.

  • @MILKWynn
    @MILKWynn 3 роки тому

    I just drop it.... (literally). Im worried abt the risk so I found a good deal on the Arya and get that! Ive cancelled the HD8xx. Ive already used the 200usd points but its ok. Since ive gotten the xduo TA 10R, its a fair trade.
    SInce many complained , the item is in USA which is a trouble for me to return or repair. I dont want the risk anymore.

  • @biggusd534
    @biggusd534 3 роки тому

    Great vid DMS! Can’t imagine how Sennheiser let this happen…

  • @storage-space4927
    @storage-space4927 3 роки тому +6

    Found a great condition original hd800 for 700 usd, I think at that price the flaws in the FR can be overlooked (and i am older so the only thing wrong with it being the 6k peak is a non issue for me).

    • @nickpelayo3172
      @nickpelayo3172 3 роки тому

      same. i just run it through a tube amp and im good

  • @ANOLE_VX
    @ANOLE_VX 3 роки тому +1

    That dip reminds me of Campfire Audio IO 😐

  • @FeasableOption
    @FeasableOption 3 роки тому +2

    SN: 00029.
    Pretty neat.

  • @handlmycck
    @handlmycck 3 роки тому +2

    Made in germany. Cant be sold in EU. Good job drop

  • @Zekestah
    @Zekestah 3 роки тому +3

    If I were buying these, I would worry about warranty.

  • @mingqu007
    @mingqu007 3 роки тому

    Love the ultra wide ratio!!

  • @ashflame6888
    @ashflame6888 3 роки тому +2

    I dunno I have been burned on to many Drop items now not living up to the hype, not even close actually..... This is the nail in the coffin.

  • @34332
    @34332 3 роки тому

    I was really looking forward to your test. Good lord, disappointed to the bone..
    Cheers for your professional take on this, must have been hard 😐

  • @raphaelmeillat8527
    @raphaelmeillat8527 3 роки тому

    Super clear and helpful video. Would love to watch a video focusing on your conversation with Drop on this... Their intent, their struggle, their take on this. Would be super interesting for many Audiophile viewers I think. Thanks for your consideration. Cheers from France!

  • @carminedesanto6746
    @carminedesanto6746 3 роки тому +1

    Drop and Sen’ ..something went horribly wrong .
    For the 💵 it should be a plug and play period.
    Also, what’s with the propriety
    connections ..go 3.5 🤌🏼

    • @geoffreymcdonald173
      @geoffreymcdonald173 3 роки тому +1

      Same connectors all 800 series have always had..

    • @carminedesanto6746
      @carminedesanto6746 3 роки тому

      @@geoffreymcdonald173 But if drop wanted to save a few bucks ..use a non proprietary connection..just say’n.

    • @geoffreymcdonald173
      @geoffreymcdonald173 3 роки тому +1

      Sennheiser likely won't let them. It is their product after all. Not drops. And then drop would be making an entirely new headphone. Not piggy backing off of the success of the 800s

    • @carminedesanto6746
      @carminedesanto6746 3 роки тому

      @@geoffreymcdonald173 You’re right..but now Drop is stuck with this strange tuning and the resulting bad reviews…such a pity.

    • @geoffreymcdonald173
      @geoffreymcdonald173 3 роки тому +1

      Well I mean drop isn't exactly a company that is "for the community"
      Pretty shite company really.

  • @MrPanda771
    @MrPanda771 2 роки тому

    Could we get a video of the pad swapping / tape mod?

  • @m.n.b-arcade1954
    @m.n.b-arcade1954 2 роки тому +1

    hi, one question, you said in this video that the 6xx are used by you every day right ? then can you tell me if its worthy the upgrade to the 800s ?

    • @ernestochang1744
      @ernestochang1744 2 роки тому

      No... it really isnt, youre better off going for a pair of focal clears

    • @m.n.b-arcade1954
      @m.n.b-arcade1954 2 роки тому

      @@ernestochang1744 i see. but now im really ok with my 6xx i wont change them anytime soon. (besides i saw some focal clears and they were out of my budget )

  • @jekken333
    @jekken333 3 роки тому +7

    The company is called Drop for a reason, drop the mids. Lmao

  • @blejzerosamigos6115
    @blejzerosamigos6115 3 роки тому

    DMS thanks for this review, what amp did you use ?

  • @FB18Ben
    @FB18Ben 3 роки тому +2

    Fuck me, I preordered it in hope of Drop doing a good enough job and for me to be able to get a HD800S with more bass for $900. Well I'm certainly looking out for Josh's and Z's review and waiting for Drop to respond to his. Especially with there being decent prototypes before (first review model and the ones Z talked about in his recent review). The number of products sold dropping from 1k to 971 cheers me somewhat hopeful for them to maybe change their mind.

  • @urlugbolderdenetsogt9940
    @urlugbolderdenetsogt9940 3 роки тому +1

    Please review Neumann NDH 20.

  • @steven2640
    @steven2640 3 роки тому +3

    Saving an extra $200 to get a brand new 800s is a no-brainer.

    • @allansh828
      @allansh828 3 роки тому

      why buy 800s over Arya, LCD-X or Clear?

    • @lumntoob999
      @lumntoob999 3 роки тому

      @@allansh828 I haven't tried Arya but I'd take the 800s over the lcd-x and definitely over the clear. I have heard good things about the sound and soundstage of the Arya but I still would never buy them for anything more than half of the price of the 800s simply because of reliability. I do believe hifimans bigger planars have a better track record but it's still a concern for me spending over $1k, but I know a Sennheiser dynamic driver headphone is going to be around decades after it is purchased and most likely still worth a good portion of what you paid for it.

    • @mattrismatt
      @mattrismatt 3 роки тому

      ​@@allansh828 Why buy the Arya over a ZMF Auteur/Universe Hybrid pad-swapped Sundara?

    • @zaphyrwalker7016
      @zaphyrwalker7016 3 роки тому

      @@allansh828 I tried the Arya last week and it was very pleasing. Wasn't really a fan of the Audeze X myself. Never heard the HD800s. Can't really compare it with the Arya since they sound very different I would imagine.

    • @enjoshi-godrez8775
      @enjoshi-godrez8775 3 роки тому

      @@lumntoob999 Audeze's driver issues were resolved over 3 years ago. They are some of the most relatable and well built headphones you can buy.

  • @riseuplight
    @riseuplight 3 роки тому

    Can others testify that they have experienced or heard this same problem with their ears? Is it really that huge?

  • @the_wau_
    @the_wau_ 3 роки тому +2

    which target were those graphs compensated to?

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +1

      Crinacle’s target so basically harman treble and flat from 900hz down.

  • @joon0
    @joon0 2 роки тому

    7:15 Just daisy chain two or more Lokius, duh 😂

  • @thegloriouspotato6223
    @thegloriouspotato6223 2 роки тому

    Oh jeez, I hope they make a V2 or something

  • @JamesWoo1
    @JamesWoo1 2 роки тому

    how would you rate the 8xx just on detail/resolution alone, would it be better than the Drop ESP-95X or Focal/Drop Elex on this? 🙏

  • @mistersurrealist
    @mistersurrealist Рік тому +1

    They DROPped the ball with this one. What a shame!

  • @richiemercado4027
    @richiemercado4027 3 роки тому

    Can you review the headphones by AIAIAI, the TMA-2? They are buildable and have different options so curious how they are.

  • @yunloy
    @yunloy 3 роки тому

    Big talk, might be right or wrong I don't know but why not do your own headphone and release it to the public?

    • @DMS3TV
      @DMS3TV  3 роки тому +2

      I will one day

  • @benzs129
    @benzs129 3 роки тому

    Awesome review!

  • @martinesquivel5434
    @martinesquivel5434 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the vid. with that being said, what dac amp would you pair with sennheiser 660s that is budget friendly. My main focus is gaming then music. Thank you @DMS

  • @04yellowjacket
    @04yellowjacket 3 роки тому +3

    I actually traded away my HD800S a couple months back because I thought we would be getting an HD800S with a touch more bass. No brainer.....right? ABONDON SHIP! I will be buying another new HD800S very soon, never to be sold or traded away again. For my preferences, they are still the best sounding headphones I have ever heard. I use a little EQ on them, but not much. In many genre cases they are THE BEST SOUND I have ever heard at any price, except for live of course.

    • @ernestochang1744
      @ernestochang1744 2 роки тому

      Youre better of buying a pair of focal clears

    • @04yellowjacket
      @04yellowjacket 2 роки тому +1

      @@ernestochang1744 Already had those and every other Focal except the Utopia. The Clear are very good, but to intimate (no soundstage). Even though I have tried basically every high end headphone on the market, the HD800S are still top 5 for me.

  • @derrickcrocker4265
    @derrickcrocker4265 3 роки тому

    I know the price difference but how do the HD560's stack up, as well the Hifiman 400se?

  • @ernestochang1744
    @ernestochang1744 2 роки тому

    Your best bet is going with a pair of focal clears made in france

  • @A-G-F-
    @A-G-F- 2 роки тому

    I not a seasoned audiophile by any means, but man i can see that graph and instantly tell something is veeery wrong with that.
    Do they wanted to make a "boxy" sounding set? :$

  • @dixter1652
    @dixter1652 3 роки тому +1

    I think the biggest issue is they let Drop mess with one of their best headphones.... why ??? Drop products are hacks... if Drop knows so much then why don't they come out with their own headphone instead of messing up other companies headphones...

  • @hassanalrubai7378
    @hassanalrubai7378 3 роки тому

    do a setup video it will great

  • @harryrupam01
    @harryrupam01 Рік тому

    The amazing DMS outro music. Does anybody know if it is in youtube? 😅

  • @Nick-s-f
    @Nick-s-f 3 роки тому

    Makes me want to buy an 800S even more than ever.

    • @mattrismatt
      @mattrismatt 3 роки тому +2

      It was all a plan by Sennheiser to drive sales of a more expensive headphone!

  • @teresamaia5623
    @teresamaia5623 2 роки тому

    so beautiful DMS

  • @QoraxAudio
    @QoraxAudio 2 роки тому +1

    Just pony up a few more bucks to get the real deal. Get the HD800S.
    Or settle with a HD600 and save up until you can afford it.

  • @CThienV
    @CThienV 2 роки тому

    Hey. What is the one headphone people cannot bring themselves to sell off? I'm looking for a momento headphone for my 40th birthday.

    • @JTB--
      @JTB-- 2 роки тому +1

      HD 600

    • @CThienV
      @CThienV 2 роки тому

      @@JTB-- hmm I owned the 650 and currently have the 58x

  • @richardchen7593
    @richardchen7593 3 роки тому

    So will EQ help to solve this situation?

  • @Madblaster6
    @Madblaster6 2 роки тому

    Seems like it was tunes on a tube amp and not a solid state.