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I have this motherboard, and now I need to see what speed the PCIe slot is running the PCIe. Saw several comments saying x4. It didn't seem to be running in x4 when I was using a RX 5700 XT on it. ReBar was automatically enabled. I looked for an option and didn't find anything. Edit: Yep, PCIe4 @ x4... Anyways, my only other cons are: 1. I need to get a 90° adapter for the USB 3 header on the board because my video card blocks it. 2. The ram won't go over 2600, this is probably a Engineering Sample thing. 3. By default C states is off and it wouldn't boost to 4.5. This is a preference thing.
I am not sure if you know so its better to mention it. Ultra performance on dlss means that you are running on a lower resolution=less power needed. For it to be on ultra settings either turn DLSS completely off to run on native resolution or atleast leave it on quality. I can't be sure if there was a reason for you to do that in Cyberpunk but it bugged me.
@@TechnicallyUnsure so would you recommmend this motherboard? I need to make a portable ITX computer since I moved a lot btw what cpu fan and memory did you use?
I have almost €65 mark-up compared to what you paid, as per usual with AliExpress the thing I am excited by is priced just beyond an acceptable price. This weird behaviour from AliExpress is infuriating.
@@TechnicallyUnsure Yeah they seem to engage in regional pricing, although being in EU perhaps there are tariffs in play that I am unaware of. As an example, I got a Mougol X99 M-ATX board with an E5 2680 V4 and 2*8GB DDR4 RAM for €26.90 around the start of December, but now I cannot find a single kit like this for less than €75-80. Edit: If it were $140 (~€135) it would be a bargain for a CPU+Mobo gaming combo.
@@TechnicallyUnsure Thank you. A bit high for NAS build. Is there any integrated graphics with this motherboard? I am looking for emulation station + NAS build, that might be very good candidate.
Well, integrated graphics and HDMI ports worked well. As for games, you can absolutely play all sorts of emulation games and I tried "Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown" and it worked well.
Also it is saying 60fps since it is visibly restricted by the power of the cpu. The gpu was pulling less than 100wats for most of the video while the cpu was maxing out its tdp at 65-ish
i'm afraid after several years software refused to support it as i heard engineering samples only support old bioses and software at the time that engineering samples released
Some vendors might pull a sneaky move-sending reviewers special versions with better components or well-tested RAM or SSD or something else, only to switch it out and send regular buyers an inferior version. Classic bait and switch!
@@TechnicallyUnsure yeah i noticed. im hoping its fine with a 4 port sata expansion card. it seems like bifurcation is only useful for highspeed nvme i guess from what i've read so far.
It is "editable". You can dump the BIOS edit it and flash it back, but just intel me_cleaner github code can't parse it, it's an old code though, to be honest.
He said PCIe Gen 4. I didn't see any x4 mentioned. You had me a little paniced because I have this board, and plan to put a B580 in it. Edit: I just checked mine and it is PCIe Gen 4 @ x4. I probably should just use this board for what I was originally going to use it for, and not for the Arc B580.
How does this compare to a Ryzen 5 5600X? You can get that and a B450 motherboard for the same price off aliexpress which seems to be the better option to me?
@@TechnicallyUnsure Agree with more cores and threads, but there's one point I've noticed. 1- Clock speed being higher means nothing if the CPU can't sustain those clocks. This is limited to 28 watts, right? I don't imagine it can turbo for very long. And that's my main concern- while in bursty workloads the 1280p is much better (looking at cinebench r23 we see the following: 1457 for the 5600x 1848 for the 1280p, single core (i7 1280p is 26 percent faster) 13549 for the 1280p. multicore 9883 For the 5600, multi core (i7 1280p is 37 percent faster) But, i imagine the CPU will hit its arbritary low power limit in longer and more CPU intense workloads and thus have reduced perofrmance: Is this the case?
Well, as you can see in the video, I benchmarked it for long time, it kept the boost clock. As long as you have a proper cooling and you actually need the boost clock, it will boost up to max clock and keep it there. For gaming though, if you are using GPU, GPU will do the heavy lifting.
Well at X4 lanes on the X16 lane is a waste with mid range GPUs, or better. However I can see this as a cheap & low power Gaming PC with something like a RX6400, a Dell RX 6500 (tad faster than the 6400 but you can find it for less), or a RX6500xt. All three of them have a X4 bus and two of them are low powered (40W~50W). I'd just use Bazzite instead of Windows to reduce the cost.
If it wasn't so overpriced in euroland, and allowed you to disable the P-cores in BIOS, this could potentially be a really neat power-sipping NAS board that is probably still way better than the equally expensive intel N100 based ones. Small NVMe as the OS drive, slap in a SATA controller into the x16 slot (electrically only x4), throw a bunch of HDDs at it and away you go. Maybe another NVMe in the second slot as a cache drive too. Then again it only has slow AF gigabit ethernet so... hmmm
Hehe, this is about the price of an i5-12400 here - except this one comes with a motherboard included. Would be nice to know the cooler mounting specs (it certainly doesn't look like standard LGA1700), so that compatibility could be checked.
@@TheDoomerBlox Okay, I can understand the doubt on AliExpress side of things because Lord knows we would all love to see more concise and accurate product listings, particularly when it comes to I/O. But TU is a genuine dude. He wouldn't tell us a type of cooler works without testing it himself. Plus that mounting postern is very common on these mobile CPU ITX boards.
Hello, Nice video thank you, could you let me know what 64g of ram will work with this motherboard please, I've tried to look for the spec with no joy , so is there a website for QXZS(I7-1280P)ES ?.
Most of these Boards are build with Mobile CPUs. They dont have (all) Performance-Cores. Most, all of it are ONLY Efficient-Cores. The boost is not so powerful and the Powerlimits are les than Desktop-CPUs
Notice he didn't check with GPU-Z or CPU-Z? They run the pci-express 16 @ 4x😂, NO BUENO & that's why there was no difference in performance when he was messing with the game settings because it's already maxed out the bandwidth in that pci-ex 4x🙄
Yep, you caught me, I intentionally didn't use GPUZ or whatever, yeah I never mentioned in the video it's x4, didn't show it in graphics and manual from the seller. Smh. It's been mentioned many times, and it plays games very well for a $140 CPU and motherboard bundle, X4 is enough for most people.
Saw a lot of yellow bangs..in your Wimdows device manager..may need to install Intel chipset drivers..motherboard device drivers..etc..if it were me I'd clear up all of those then retest for the Windows portion.
Disappointing Gigabit Ethernet. too few USB 3.0 ports and two blue fake 3.0 ports that are only 2.0 and too few PCIe to compensate for these shortcomings. The board would need at least two x16 or at least one x16(GPU) and one x8(for a McFiver Card 10G Ethernet, 2x10G USB-C and 2xM.2 NVME) to compensate for the shortcomings. I got a board on Ali for $130 with 64GB ECC DDR4 2400, 2680v4(14c/28t), 4x2.5G Ethernet, 2xM.2 x4, 10 SATA ports, PCIE x16,x16,x8 (GPU, Free, McFiver). If you have so few PCIe slots, you should at least have a 10G Ethernet port and enough USB 3.2 ports. Only then is a x16 for GPU sufficient.
I have had a very bad experience buying from AliExpress, I bought a combo for NAS, they sent it somewhere else and technical support I didn't want to make the refund (when it was clear that they sent it wrong) I also bought 2 RC cars that never arrived. Anyway, don't buy more from China
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Please do more testing on this mobo combo e.g virilization Emulation etc, this is a killer deal,
The memory is very picky and it doesn't seem to run anything above Jedec stock ddr4 speeds
I have this motherboard, and now I need to see what speed the PCIe slot is running the PCIe. Saw several comments saying x4. It didn't seem to be running in x4 when I was using a RX 5700 XT on it. ReBar was automatically enabled. I looked for an option and didn't find anything.
Edit: Yep, PCIe4 @ x4...
Anyways, my only other cons are:
1. I need to get a 90° adapter for the USB 3 header on the board because my video card blocks it.
2. The ram won't go over 2600, this is probably a Engineering Sample thing.
3. By default C states is off and it wouldn't boost to 4.5. This is a preference thing.
Can you please try the Integrated graphics, how well it works?
Thank you for being our lab rat awesome video!
Great in depth video going over the board and its performance! Not in the market for one right now, but will keep it in mind for a future build.
does it have sleep mode working?
I am not sure if you know so its better to mention it. Ultra performance on dlss means that you are running on a lower resolution=less power needed. For it to be on ultra settings either turn DLSS completely off to run on native resolution or atleast leave it on quality. I can't be sure if there was a reason for you to do that in Cyberpunk but it bugged me.
strange I can't find that motherbord
Sorry about that, I added the link to video description
@@TechnicallyUnsure so would you recommmend this motherboard? I need to make a portable ITX computer since I moved a lot btw what cpu fan and memory did you use?
I mean, I didn't use it for long time, I used it for maybe 1 week? But overall, I mean, for $140, seems OK?
@@oakleytrue2414 I wouldn't go for it, since it only has pcie 4x4, meaning the gpu bandwidth is severely decreased
So you mean you are actually technically unsure?
I have almost €65 mark-up compared to what you paid, as per usual with AliExpress the thing I am excited by is priced just beyond an acceptable price. This weird behaviour from AliExpress is infuriating.
Oh... I did not know that, the link I shared in top comment + video description, that still shows higher than $140 for you?
@@TechnicallyUnsure Yeah they seem to engage in regional pricing, although being in EU perhaps there are tariffs in play that I am unaware of. As an example, I got a Mougol X99 M-ATX board with an E5 2680 V4 and 2*8GB DDR4 RAM for €26.90 around the start of December, but now I cannot find a single kit like this for less than €75-80.
Edit: If it were $140 (~€135) it would be a bargain for a CPU+Mobo gaming combo.
@bearde_mut9731 its only saying £100 for me, so its only 120 euro
They do that all the time. LTT have made a couple videos on aliexpress stuff. Prices seem to almost randomly increase and decrease by a lot
Not even available for me. Classic AliExpress.
That could make for a pretty good nas I think!
I use one of their 11900H-ES boards for my home NAS. It sips power and works well.
actually really really good one
Seems to be a great price performance ratio
Why is the bios showing 6 cores 12 threads at the 6 min 28 sec mark in the video?
No idea. I guess they reused BIOS base or something? At 12:36 in Linux you can see thread and core counts.
It was showing only performance cores
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What is the lowest idle wattage that can be achieved without GPU?
I don't have that number, but I guesstimate it to be around 20-30 watts idle
@@TechnicallyUnsure Thank you. A bit high for NAS build. Is there any integrated graphics with this motherboard? I am looking for emulation station + NAS build, that might be very good candidate.
Well, integrated graphics and HDMI ports worked well. As for games, you can absolutely play all sorts of emulation games and I tried "Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown" and it worked well.
@@TechnicallyUnsureGreat! I will give it a go.
idk if you mention it in the video, but its an engineering sample, thats why theres no name
Seems like I didn't mention it during the video, but you are correct, it's an engineering sample CPU
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What fan are you using for the cpu?
www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806166768290.html
@TechnicallyUnsure Cool, thank you, it's a shorty too so that'll be good for small builds.
5:11 For VRM
Voltage Regulator module
Which Provide Voltage To CPU
And I Think These Blue USB Are 3.0
The cooler mounting holes are for LGA1155/1151/1200 or LGA1700 coolers?
Correct, LGA1700
Also it is saying 60fps since it is visibly restricted by the power of the cpu. The gpu was pulling less than 100wats for most of the video while the cpu was maxing out its tdp at 65-ish
i'm afraid after several years software refused to support it as i heard engineering samples only support old bioses and software at the time that engineering samples released
Why would they care if they knew you were buying it or not?
Some vendors might pull a sneaky move-sending reviewers special versions with better components or well-tested RAM or SSD or something else, only to switch it out and send regular buyers an inferior version. Classic bait and switch!
man if only they have more sata ports ;/ does it have bifurcation? on the 2nd pcie?
Unfortunately no, second pcie is just x1
@@TechnicallyUnsure yeah i noticed. im hoping its fine with a 4 port sata expansion card. it seems like bifurcation is only useful for highspeed nvme i guess from what i've read so far.
an x4 on a gpu slot, this should suck no?
it should, but somehow it doesn't in this board... I mean games were playing so well
@@TechnicallyUnsure Gen 4 is twice as fast as Gen 3 + if you didn't play at 1440P+ the PCI-e doesn't need to be that fast
Can you check what C-state you can acheive in Linux ? It could make a powerful homeserver with possibly low idle power consumption.
Honest question.. would you trust their firmware for important tasks like storing your data?
who cares@@Marco-dr5ho
everyone hating on the Management Engine lol
The price for this board will vary depending on what country you live in. It is $184 Cad. I'm assuming this price was in Usd.
You are correct, seems like you are getting a better deal? I think in US (or maybe just in NY? ) it shows as $140 and that's what I paid.
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IM NOT SURE GONNA SUB FOR THIS
anyone has idea why bios not editable, these kind of motherboard has no support, editing rom is important.
It is "editable". You can dump the BIOS edit it and flash it back, but just intel me_cleaner github code can't parse it, it's an old code though, to be honest.
What is the comparable 12th gen desktop intel counterpart?
PCIE X4 bus interface is a killer for this one
He said PCIe Gen 4. I didn't see any x4 mentioned. You had me a little paniced because I have this board, and plan to put a B580 in it.
Edit: I just checked mine and it is PCIe Gen 4 @ x4. I probably should just use this board for what I was originally going to use it for, and not for the Arc B580.
@@Rabbit_AF entry GPU should be fine, it would be a good board to use with Intel iGPU for work/school/office PC
As if that's gonna affect anyone who's looking into buying an ali board 🤣
wait wut cpu is this?
How does this compare to a Ryzen 5 5600X? You can get that and a B450 motherboard for the same price off aliexpress which seems to be the better option to me?
This is much faster, more core, more threads and clock speed is higher.
@@TechnicallyUnsure Agree with more cores and threads, but there's one point I've noticed.
1- Clock speed being higher means nothing if the CPU can't sustain those clocks. This is limited to 28 watts, right? I don't imagine it can turbo for very long.
And that's my main concern- while in bursty workloads the 1280p is much better
(looking at cinebench r23 we see the following:
1457 for the 5600x
1848 for the 1280p, single core
(i7 1280p is 26 percent faster)
13549 for the 1280p. multicore
9883 For the 5600, multi core
(i7 1280p is 37 percent faster)
But, i imagine the CPU will hit its arbritary low power limit in longer and more CPU intense workloads and thus have reduced perofrmance: Is this the case?
Well, as you can see in the video, I benchmarked it for long time, it kept the boost clock. As long as you have a proper cooling and you actually need the boost clock, it will boost up to max clock and keep it there. For gaming though, if you are using GPU, GPU will do the heavy lifting.
This is the type of board i would LOVE to get but the x4 connection for pcie limit is the bummer which makes me skips it
Well at X4 lanes on the X16 lane is a waste with mid range GPUs, or better. However I can see this as a cheap & low power Gaming PC with something like a RX6400, a Dell RX 6500 (tad faster than the 6400 but you can find it for less), or a RX6500xt. All three of them have a X4 bus and two of them are low powered (40W~50W). I'd just use Bazzite instead of Windows to reduce the cost.
use arch
Havent tried distros since like 2015..can game now?
x4 for gpu.... ee
this, you cant connect any modern gpu without leaving alot on the table 4x4 = 3x8 = 2x16
Seems like this would make more sense in ITX form factor.
I have a Streacom silent itx case and 1280P would be ideal....
12 gen support DDR5 4800mhz or ddr4 3200mhz board dependant as DDR4 and 5 have different sockets pin configuration.
You are correct
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If it wasn't so overpriced in euroland, and allowed you to disable the P-cores in BIOS, this could potentially be a really neat power-sipping NAS board that is probably still way better than the equally expensive intel N100 based ones. Small NVMe as the OS drive, slap in a SATA controller into the x16 slot (electrically only x4), throw a bunch of HDDs at it and away you go. Maybe another NVMe in the second slot as a cache drive too. Then again it only has slow AF gigabit ethernet so... hmmm
i am actually using one of these on my tv with an intel a380 it works pretty well
alsooo i am pretty sure you had vsync on.
Hehe, this is about the price of an i5-12400 here - except this one comes with a motherboard included.
Would be nice to know the cooler mounting specs (it certainly doesn't look like standard LGA1700), so that compatibility could be checked.
You'll need an LGA1700 cooler. I'm using JONSBO HP400S, which supports LGA115X/1200/1700 and AMD AMD4/AM5
I get why you would think that because of the weird IHS solution but the mounting holes are in fact LGA 1700/ 115X/ 1200 spec
@bearde_mut9731 Cooler installation was omitted from the video, and the seller does not specify LGA1700 mounting - therefore the doubt.
@@TheDoomerBlox Okay, I can understand the doubt on AliExpress side of things because Lord knows we would all love to see more concise and accurate product listings, particularly when it comes to I/O. But TU is a genuine dude. He wouldn't tell us a type of cooler works without testing it himself. Plus that mounting postern is very common on these mobile CPU ITX boards.
Hello, Nice video thank you, could you let me know what 64g of ram will work with this motherboard please, I've tried to look for the spec with no joy , so is there a website for QXZS(I7-1280P)ES ?.
it should work, the size wasn't the issue, issue was mainly the RAM speed, but as I said in the video, it's very picky regarding the RAMs supported
@TechnicallyUnsure ok, thank you.
Most of these Boards are build with Mobile CPUs. They dont have (all) Performance-Cores. Most, all of it are ONLY Efficient-Cores. The boost is not so powerful and the Powerlimits are les than Desktop-CPUs
I almost bought this. But how do you know it doesn't has all cores?
where the hll is the FPS count in the overlay you showed?!!
Should be on top right side?
Its the tiny little spec in the upper right hand corner. Took me forever to find it.
Nice board 🛹
On aliexpress its 177.99€ for the i7-1280ES version
(Edit)
At least for me that is.
Notice he didn't check with GPU-Z or CPU-Z?
They run the pci-express 16 @ 4x😂, NO BUENO & that's why there was no difference in performance when he was messing with the game settings because it's already maxed out the bandwidth in that pci-ex 4x🙄
Yep, you caught me, I intentionally didn't use GPUZ or whatever, yeah I never mentioned in the video it's x4, didn't show it in graphics and manual from the seller. Smh. It's been mentioned many times, and it plays games very well for a $140 CPU and motherboard bundle, X4 is enough for most people.
You Don't Need TPM Becuase 1280P Does Have
And Yea You Can Put Windows 11
Since 2015 2016 Every intel motherboard does have tpm2.0
Looks like it's about $113 before fees, and supposed free shipping. For me here in the us
Nice! You are getting a better deal
$113 is for the 1260P (es) and not the 1280P
@christophermorales6041 oh youre right. But I Saw a different listing showing the 1280p for $130 free shipping
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Saw a lot of yellow bangs..in your Wimdows device manager..may need to install Intel chipset drivers..motherboard device drivers..etc..if it were me I'd clear up all of those then retest for the Windows portion.
Very cool good value
Disappointing Gigabit Ethernet. too few USB 3.0 ports and two blue fake 3.0 ports that are only 2.0 and too few PCIe to compensate for these shortcomings. The board would need at least two x16 or at least one x16(GPU) and one x8(for a McFiver Card 10G Ethernet, 2x10G USB-C and 2xM.2 NVME) to compensate for the shortcomings.
I got a board on Ali for $130 with 64GB ECC DDR4 2400, 2680v4(14c/28t), 4x2.5G Ethernet, 2xM.2 x4, 10 SATA ports, PCIE x16,x16,x8 (GPU, Free, McFiver).
If you have so few PCIe slots, you should at least have a 10G Ethernet port and enough USB 3.2 ports. Only then is a x16 for GPU sufficient.
I have had a very bad experience buying from AliExpress, I bought a combo for NAS, they sent it somewhere else and technical support I didn't want to make the refund (when it was clear that they sent it wrong) I also bought 2 RC cars that never arrived. Anyway, don't buy more from China
Nice 😮
Dude, please don't use generated Translations for languages like German. It sounds absolutely horrible.
I am not doing that, UA-cam is doing it.
ultra performance DLSS on a 4070 omggggggggggggggggggg
painful
What's painful exactly?
Last!
2nth
Minus first!
Ragnorak??? Wtf.
Bias😂
That is a waste of money.
Huh.... Care to elaborate?
@@TechnicallyUnsure very good value 😎 could you post a link for this motherboard
I added the link to the video description.
@@TechnicallyUnsure no link in the discription
Uh oh... How about here? Is YT filtering links? www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807333580411.html