The key to making it as passive as possible is to reset your extractors on a 2 week cycle making P2 direct on that planet. Then picking up the P2 every six months or something then jump freight it to jita and sell. Resetting every 3 days on every character is a ballache especially when carting materials around different planets. 2 week resets is the way. ISK/hour spent resetting works out like 1b an hour or something in low sec. If you want I'll mail you an imgur screenshot of my setup. Isk velocity is lower while passivity goes up.
Also that way you dont have to build a storage unit because the launchpad itself is enough storage which frees up powergrid to build 2 different P2 on the same Planet, i.E. Livestock and Fertilizer. Usually you need Command Center Upgrades level 5 for that tho.
P3 and P4 is where the isk is at, as the barrier of entry and necessary understanding is higher. The trick is, you need to try to run the factory planets close to 24/7 and extraction planets run 8 basic factories close to 24/7 with the P0 gathered. BEFORE Viridian patch when I played I had a setup of 8 characters(8*6=48 planets) with PI across 2 systems in nullsec, I would need to restart the extraction planets once a day, haul materials from them once a week and I had one character with level 5 command center skills that had all 6 planets factory planets. I ran a bit of a minmaxed advanced factory planet setup that produced straight from P1 to P3, I would have to haul some stuff to factory planets like every 3 days or so. While this was work, I calculated realistically that at the end of the day the time spent on PI was worth it because I was earning minimum 500mil per 1 h of time spent on managing the PI even accounting the time it took for me to carry the PI to Jita via wormhole space. And that was while not running at 100% tryhard effiency and being casual about it. And I had a neat setup with notes of what to put and gather where and shared PI corp hangar on my solo corp, so it was really safe and effortlessly easy to do and manage while watching youtube videos on the side. After the Viridian expansion I hear PI became less of a hassle with the 50% redicton in volume, so the time spent on hauling should be half of what it was, I plan to return to EVE soon and see how much I would make now.
The main portion of the income from PI comes from Extraction > P1 planets. But, while refreshing them every day or two will net you most profits, it's also the most annoying way to do that. I just stick to refreshing once a week, and picking up whenever launchpads are about to fill up. As for refining into higher tiers - using a single planet to go from P1 to P3 is the way to do it. Intermediate P2 planets just cut into profits due to tax, coupled with being an inefficient use of limited planet slots. As for how profitable it actually is - dunno, last I did any maths was months ago, and the profits varied greatly depending on the P3 produced...
If you are an industrialist, and you build ships, you need some elements of planetary interaction, and you build only those, if you only deal with missions or pvp, you will not be interested in getting as much of this as possible Advice for those who do not do such a thing but want to extract some isk from PI to focus on the material that is extracted the least from the planet, to refine it and make it T1, to set the extraction to 7 days, i.e. weekly, you choose a Saturday or Sunday, or a day when it is quiet in low sec For refined, you don't need so many factories, you have to make a balance, it's better to put the second extractor In hig sec I gave up storage, I put everything in launchpad to put more extraction, I usually do t2, I keep only one planet for t3 You don't get rich from something like this, but it puts your mind to contribution, Moon mining with pos is a bit more complicated, it is for a pve like a level 9-10 mission, PI is about LVL 3-4 and if you do t3 it is LVL 5-6 😂😂
I do PI to supply my own T2 production. In general PI is only worth your time in either Null or Wormhole Space and you also have to find the best system for your Production chain. Taxes are also a huge factor. I‘m doing PI with 30 characters in Null and I‘m glad that I have to pay zero taxes on it. The System I‘m in allows the production of every P1 which is an absolute blessing but I only produce up to P3. The setup was an absolute pain in the butt, but my PI Production alone generates roughly 20 Billion ISK in PI assets. I have to do PI every day but only with 10 characters, which is about an hour of actual work. I produce mostly T2 stuff with 110 Slots which generates an absolute fortune of ISK every month and It’s mostly passive.
With management and movement/market time of about 1-2 hours per 3 day cycle and a reasonable number of alts with 5+ low sec planets doing T2 production only I make about 150m to 250m "per hour" at current PI prices (was about 1/3+ higher through last year when T2 was more like 20k than 15k or 12k per unit). I added some T3 PI production to bend that curve and it's a big ramp-up, haven't done the numbers on it yet. So while it's not "passive" I'd rate T2 PI at about what you get from C3 ratting or anything but peak abyssal running - very little downside, no expensive ratting fits to lose. The QoL from late last year especially volume/capacity changes for PI units made thins a bit more tolerable. I'd like my 20k price peaks back but the lower effort necessary now also frees up more active playtime. I'm reasonably satisfied.
When only thinking about the micro and not the macro on this within Null the value of PI changes a great deal. Starting with P1 only on a few toons then moving to others to do the P2/P3 and P4 depending on that is being made T2 construction is opened up as an option. P1 is the highest ISK per day raw, but when you factor in having the access to local supply of PI goods to do all the T2 needed reactions etc it becomes a massive logistics bonus. Once I started doing PI locally I saved about 12 hours a week in moving things in from other places. Now I do a once a month JF out with all my items that I did not sell locally, and on the return trip I grab the items that I can't make, mine, salvage, or reprocess locally. As a side note the 24 hour mark is the most efficient point for raw P1 extraction. Setup is one launch pad and 2x extractors then balance the basic factories with the raw per hour resource volume of the planet you have access to.
you can extend it to 4Days3Hours (after this the cycles will be larger) it does however help massively if you do reset every day anyway .. just open it up, stop-start extraction, submit - close if you not want to be too busy with it, do P2 which is easy to do requires the least "interaction" and you make about 100mill/day if you do employ 4-5 characters. the main only need to have the scanning skills as the others can just fly blindly to the planets and dump the command center. focus on P1 on each then get the materials to a cental location where your main can pick it up (a corp office is the best with shared hangard) then your main just brings it to the manufacturing planet and prints the isk ;) easy peasy gets you to a daily chore of about 5minutes and every 2-3days you have to do the traveling which isn;t that much either .. just pick stuff up, drop at customs and you done. also launchpads are usually better so you not have to move stuff arround and have the timers against you, but access them from space.
As usual, love your videos. Always informative. I am only a one Omega account Industrialist player and I find PI very profitable/helpful in my limited gameplay. If I had many Omega accounts and if I was very active, the percentage of profit from PI would diminish tremendously. But because I am a limited player, PI makes up almost 20% of my income. If I was more active, the percentage of income from PI would definitely shrink a lot while the gross PI production value would be the same, depending on market value of course. Thus PI production would not be as important to me as it is now. It would be nice to see your PI planet set up. I am always looking for efficiency. thanks.
Hello. Good video. Here is what i do (and it's in hi sec an 3 connected systems) 8 toons all trained t lvl 4 across 3 accounts on a 7 day cycle for fuel block production. 1 does all the p02 and p03 the others extract and refine. Everything is funneled to the "builder toon" and the average income per week is approx. 250 to 400 mil is per week depending on how lazy I am any given week. Granted I have a full game play session per week dedicated to just PI house keeping. (About 3 hours) Here is the fun part getting enough ice products for building fuel blocks. I have not been able to keep.up.mining ice to.make building the blocks in as large a quantity as the PI mats are available so I build a small stockpile of PI and sell the rest it nets about 150 mill is per week. I've been working on this since the beginning of the year and now have it fine tuned enough to only have to actually use1 day (3hours) per week to keep up with it. Good luck with all your ventures. I like your content. It informative. Thank you.
you are absolutly right about the math, P2 is the best to do, (Polyaramids currently) but this does vary, its the easiest to do in terms of work/time vs. ths isk that comes out of it. highsec you can forget, losec is okay (ish) .. best if null or povchen to do it.
Well I'll make around 20Mil per day, I cycle extractors at 48hours and once every day (don't care if I miss) I'll grab materials to my manufacturing plant where I make T3, and that's basically for reduce the m3. It takes 10 minutes per character I have so I wouldn't say it's completely passive but I'll get quite a decent income per month, got 4 characters running PI so. I tried doing T4 but when I calculated all in my spreadsheet I lost isk by doing some of the T4 pi
I have 9 characters maxed out and make P3 in a WH. I make about 2bilion a week. I wouldn't say it is passive though as I need about 3 hours a week to do it. So it is decent and low risk, but you have to keep at it.
Running it in LowSec with a six day cycle is fine for me. Better than nothing, but nothing to get rich I think. Only if you go next level for the T3 and up goods.
I have PI in a wormhole, and while it could probably make decent money it really sucks my brain power up to actually do it. Most days I just let it lie fallow
I used to do PI back in the day (11 years ago) and it was slow and painful. I have no idea how it works now. I think the latest patch changed it… but I have no idea how. Can’t help there unfortunately.
Current pi market prices have been driven down. Between the taxes I don’t see it as profitable and I’ve been stacking since the start of the last month
Gotta join a corp that owns the customs office or find one with low taxes, because lots are set to 15% which makes it rough. My corp charges 5% on producing planets, and like 1% on shit planets that are used for upgrading to p2/3/4
So it p0 to p4. I use 5 Toons and they all work as a unit. So I have one too that makes the p4 and two that makes p3. On every took I except the p4 guy I make p0 to p1 then shift it to the guys who make p3 then give it to the guy that makes p4. My setup is inefficient at the moment because my p2 production is slow due to not yet maxing plants because I hate setting up the planets lol. With my inefficient set up I can make 700 mil a week bit im aiming for a bil a week here soon.
I don't know why you do this, other than market trading, everything in Eve is a job and you have to put effort into it, you are getting the best return as the planets are rich in resources, and I expect the tax rate is very good, unlike most empire poco's which seem to 20% on any decent planet, a factory planet might be better, but you have to load it more often on the front end, but P3 - P4 has a much better return, or you could use corp buyback??
i love your videos . learn so much , but sometimes i wonder why you do what you do. you say you dont need the isk but have multiple characters doing pi . isnt that a little like working , whats the overall point ? given you seem to have cornered the market on doing industry and fly lvl4-6 abysalls as well you clearly dont need to make isk at all. have you ever though of giving some back to the little people in this game in the form of a treasure hunt for arguements sake ? just a few thoughts , but mainly keep this content coming ......
@Ben-ts7ut Yes, PvP is enjoyable, which first requires isk. Just like going to a movie is enjoyable, which requires money. See the point yet? Sometimes you need to do a little work, to get to the fun. You can't just spam the dopamine injection button repeatedly and think it's gonna work.
The key to making it as passive as possible is to reset your extractors on a 2 week cycle making P2 direct on that planet. Then picking up the P2 every six months or something then jump freight it to jita and sell. Resetting every 3 days on every character is a ballache especially when carting materials around different planets. 2 week resets is the way. ISK/hour spent resetting works out like 1b an hour or something in low sec. If you want I'll mail you an imgur screenshot of my setup. Isk velocity is lower while passivity goes up.
Also that way you dont have to build a storage unit because the launchpad itself is enough storage which frees up powergrid to build 2 different P2 on the same Planet, i.E. Livestock and Fertilizer. Usually you need Command Center Upgrades level 5 for that tho.
P3 and P4 is where the isk is at, as the barrier of entry and necessary understanding is higher. The trick is, you need to try to run the factory planets close to 24/7 and extraction planets run 8 basic factories close to 24/7 with the P0 gathered. BEFORE Viridian patch when I played I had a setup of 8 characters(8*6=48 planets) with PI across 2 systems in nullsec, I would need to restart the extraction planets once a day, haul materials from them once a week and I had one character with level 5 command center skills that had all 6 planets factory planets. I ran a bit of a minmaxed advanced factory planet setup that produced straight from P1 to P3, I would have to haul some stuff to factory planets like every 3 days or so. While this was work, I calculated realistically that at the end of the day the time spent on PI was worth it because I was earning minimum 500mil per 1 h of time spent on managing the PI even accounting the time it took for me to carry the PI to Jita via wormhole space. And that was while not running at 100% tryhard effiency and being casual about it. And I had a neat setup with notes of what to put and gather where and shared PI corp hangar on my solo corp, so it was really safe and effortlessly easy to do and manage while watching youtube videos on the side.
After the Viridian expansion I hear PI became less of a hassle with the 50% redicton in volume, so the time spent on hauling should be half of what it was, I plan to return to EVE soon and see how much I would make now.
The main portion of the income from PI comes from Extraction > P1 planets. But, while refreshing them every day or two will net you most profits, it's also the most annoying way to do that. I just stick to refreshing once a week, and picking up whenever launchpads are about to fill up.
As for refining into higher tiers - using a single planet to go from P1 to P3 is the way to do it. Intermediate P2 planets just cut into profits due to tax, coupled with being an inefficient use of limited planet slots. As for how profitable it actually is - dunno, last I did any maths was months ago, and the profits varied greatly depending on the P3 produced...
If you are an industrialist, and you build ships, you need some elements of planetary interaction, and you build only those, if you only deal with missions or pvp, you will not be interested in getting as much of this as possible
Advice for those who do not do such a thing but want to extract some isk from PI to focus on the material that is extracted the least from the planet, to refine it and make it T1, to set the extraction to 7 days, i.e. weekly, you choose a Saturday or Sunday, or a day when it is quiet in low sec
For refined, you don't need so many factories, you have to make a balance, it's better to put the second extractor
In hig sec I gave up storage, I put everything in launchpad to put more extraction, I usually do t2, I keep only one planet for t3
You don't get rich from something like this, but it puts your mind to contribution,
Moon mining with pos is a bit more complicated, it is for a pve like a level 9-10 mission, PI is about LVL 3-4 and if you do t3 it is LVL 5-6 😂😂
This is kinda what I do. Only I make tech 2 drones and modules outta robotics and guidance systems. I find it works out great for me
I do PI to supply my own T2 production. In general PI is only worth your time in either Null or Wormhole Space and you also have to find the best system for your Production chain. Taxes are also a huge factor. I‘m doing PI with 30 characters in Null and I‘m glad that I have to pay zero taxes on it. The System I‘m in allows the production of every P1 which is an absolute blessing but I only produce up to P3. The setup was an absolute pain in the butt, but my PI Production alone generates roughly 20 Billion ISK in PI assets. I have to do PI every day but only with 10 characters, which is about an hour of actual work. I produce mostly T2 stuff with 110 Slots which generates an absolute fortune of ISK every month and It’s mostly passive.
Thank you for sharing. Enjoy each of those always. 🎉
With management and movement/market time of about 1-2 hours per 3 day cycle and a reasonable number of alts with 5+ low sec planets doing T2 production only I make about 150m to 250m "per hour" at current PI prices (was about 1/3+ higher through last year when T2 was more like 20k than 15k or 12k per unit). I added some T3 PI production to bend that curve and it's a big ramp-up, haven't done the numbers on it yet.
So while it's not "passive" I'd rate T2 PI at about what you get from C3 ratting or anything but peak abyssal running - very little downside, no expensive ratting fits to lose.
The QoL from late last year especially volume/capacity changes for PI units made thins a bit more tolerable. I'd like my 20k price peaks back but the lower effort necessary now also frees up more active playtime. I'm reasonably satisfied.
When only thinking about the micro and not the macro on this within Null the value of PI changes a great deal.
Starting with P1 only on a few toons then moving to others to do the P2/P3 and P4 depending on that is being made T2 construction is opened up as an option.
P1 is the highest ISK per day raw, but when you factor in having the access to local supply of PI goods to do all the T2 needed reactions etc it becomes a massive logistics bonus. Once I started doing PI locally I saved about 12 hours a week in moving things in from other places.
Now I do a once a month JF out with all my items that I did not sell locally, and on the return trip I grab the items that I can't make, mine, salvage, or reprocess locally.
As a side note the 24 hour mark is the most efficient point for raw P1 extraction. Setup is one launch pad and 2x extractors then balance the basic factories with the raw per hour resource volume of the planet you have access to.
you can extend it to 4Days3Hours (after this the cycles will be larger)
it does however help massively if you do reset every day anyway .. just open it up, stop-start extraction, submit - close
if you not want to be too busy with it, do P2 which is easy to do requires the least "interaction" and you make about 100mill/day if you do employ 4-5 characters.
the main only need to have the scanning skills as the others can just fly blindly to the planets and dump the command center.
focus on P1 on each then get the materials to a cental location where your main can pick it up (a corp office is the best with shared hangard)
then your main just brings it to the manufacturing planet and prints the isk ;) easy peasy
gets you to a daily chore of about 5minutes and every 2-3days you have to do the traveling which isn;t that much either .. just pick stuff up, drop at customs and you done.
also launchpads are usually better so you not have to move stuff arround and have the timers against you, but access them from space.
As usual, love your videos. Always informative. I am only a one Omega account Industrialist player and I find PI very profitable/helpful in my limited gameplay. If I had many Omega accounts and if I was very active, the percentage of profit from PI would diminish tremendously. But because I am a limited player, PI makes up almost 20% of my income. If I was more active, the percentage of income from PI would definitely shrink a lot while the gross PI production value would be the same, depending on market value of course. Thus PI production would not be as important to me as it is now. It would be nice to see your PI planet set up. I am always looking for efficiency. thanks.
Thanks for all your vids. Really helpful. Leaving the game but your content was great early on for a newbie. o7
Hello.
Good video.
Here is what i do (and it's in hi sec an 3 connected systems)
8 toons all trained t lvl 4 across 3 accounts on a 7 day cycle for fuel block production.
1 does all the p02 and p03 the others extract and refine. Everything is funneled to the "builder toon" and the average income per week is approx. 250 to 400 mil is per week depending on how lazy I am any given week. Granted I have a full game play session per week dedicated to just PI house keeping. (About 3 hours)
Here is the fun part getting enough ice products for building fuel blocks. I have not been able to keep.up.mining ice to.make building the blocks in as large a quantity as the PI mats are available so I build a small stockpile of PI and sell the rest it nets about 150 mill is per week.
I've been working on this since the beginning of the year and now have it fine tuned enough to only have to actually use1 day (3hours) per week to keep up with it.
Good luck with all your ventures.
I like your content. It informative. Thank you.
you are absolutly right about the math, P2 is the best to do, (Polyaramids currently) but this does vary, its the easiest to do in terms of work/time vs. ths isk that comes out of it.
highsec you can forget, losec is okay (ish) .. best if null or povchen to do it.
Wormhole space is pretty good too imho
@@mellogo1d191 true, but logistics is a bit of a problem.
Yeah well I live there currently so it’s not really too much of a problem tbh..
Well I'll make around 20Mil per day, I cycle extractors at 48hours and once every day (don't care if I miss) I'll grab materials to my manufacturing plant where I make T3, and that's basically for reduce the m3. It takes 10 minutes per character I have so I wouldn't say it's completely passive but I'll get quite a decent income per month, got 4 characters running PI so.
I tried doing T4 but when I calculated all in my spreadsheet I lost isk by doing some of the T4 pi
I have 9 characters maxed out and make P3 in a WH. I make about 2bilion a week. I wouldn't say it is passive though as I need about 3 hours a week to do it. So it is decent and low risk, but you have to keep at it.
Running it in LowSec with a six day cycle is fine for me. Better than nothing, but nothing to get rich I think. Only if you go next level for the T3 and up goods.
I have PI in a wormhole, and while it could probably make decent money it really sucks my brain power up to actually do it. Most days I just let it lie fallow
I think the trick is to build capitals and stations with it honestly. That's what I do :)
My PI is dedicated to making the requirements for fuel blocks in NULL. Easy passive isk
I used to do PI back in the day (11 years ago) and it was slow and painful. I have no idea how it works now. I think the latest patch changed it… but I have no idea how. Can’t help there unfortunately.
Current pi market prices have been driven down. Between the taxes I don’t see it as profitable and I’ve been stacking since the start of the last month
Gotta join a corp that owns the customs office or find one with low taxes, because lots are set to 15% which makes it rough. My corp charges 5% on producing planets, and like 1% on shit planets that are used for upgrading to p2/3/4
In Null is is very profitable. Depending on the space it can be low or 0 tax. Most will do 0 tax if you sell back to them.
It is a good passive income for 30 minutes a day max. It isn't exciting but I do pull in 600 million ISK a month on a one day cycle.
Also I set mine at 1 day because the yield is very good. If you are a mad man do 8 hours lol.
So it p0 to p4. I use 5 Toons and they all work as a unit. So I have one too that makes the p4 and two that makes p3. On every took I except the p4 guy I make p0 to p1 then shift it to the guys who make p3 then give it to the guy that makes p4. My setup is inefficient at the moment because my p2 production is slow due to not yet maxing plants because I hate setting up the planets lol. With my inefficient set up I can make 700 mil a week bit im aiming for a bil a week here soon.
i hate pi, the double click ptsd, a repeat button would make me do it again.
i had 16 chars going at it with 3 days cycles for a long while, very good isk etc buuut cba :P
I put my skill far chars in a c1 and make about the same. I treat it like a zen garden simulator.
Hi can I just also need to pay tax on market tax and cost putting it up as well.
I reuse all of the materials so I don’t look at it this way.
I don't know why you do this, other than market trading, everything in Eve is a job and you have to put effort into it, you are getting the best return as the planets are rich in resources, and I expect the tax rate is very good, unlike most empire poco's which seem to 20% on any decent planet, a factory planet might be better, but you have to load it more often on the front end, but P3 - P4 has a much better return, or you could use corp buyback??
i love your videos . learn so much , but sometimes i wonder why you do what you do. you say you dont need the isk but have multiple characters doing pi . isnt that a little like working , whats the overall point ? given you seem to have cornered the market on doing industry and fly lvl4-6 abysalls as well you clearly dont need to make isk at all. have you ever though of giving some back to the little people in this game in the form of a treasure hunt for arguements sake ? just a few thoughts , but mainly keep this content coming ......
Good question, I might have to put this into a video cos I have a lot to say all in all on the topic and several sentences wont cover it.
Cheers for keeping me from doing this😂😂😂😂
lol you are welcome!
What your doing wrong ... is doing PI in the first place :D - its dreadful ... but it has to be i guess.
you don't enjoy it.. so how is it even a question of 'is it worth it'? It's a game. Your ISK isn't funding a retirement plan
Isk making doesn't have to be enjoyable. You do it so you can fund your fun for later alternative activities
@@biffski the entire point of games are to be enjoyable. Again, Eve is a video game
@Ben-ts7ut Yes, PvP is enjoyable, which first requires isk. Just like going to a movie is enjoyable, which requires money. See the point yet? Sometimes you need to do a little work, to get to the fun. You can't just spam the dopamine injection button repeatedly and think it's gonna work.