"This card is never going to be countered. Does that mean it's a bad card?" You heard it here first folks! CEDH Postcast calls Demonic Tutor and Mana Crypt a bad card.
When you guys get to episode 75 you need to upload a gameplay video where someone plays every single card you review on this channel plus their choice of 25 lands. Lol
I really like this card actually and I think yall overall summed it up right. Only thing I would argue is the concept that "only bad cards don't eat counters." If that were the case, Vampiric Tutor and every other Tutor would fall under the bad card rule. So, I actually do think of Quicken kind of as a Tutor in the sense that it will not eat a counter and is designed to set your next move up
@@Dannyrod4573 good point. D tutors and diabolics don’t necessarily eat counters.. but damn do my 1 mana tutors seem to get Mental Misteped over and over again!
When testing Malcolm/Vial Smash, mana was rarely an issue. Quicken was a card to help make Necro lines more consistent. There was some utility with cracking top deck tutors that fetched borne; other lines that matched up well were Ritual -> Quicken -> Beseech sacrificing Necro. This was relevant in one of my rounds. I think the card is fine in its role. When you have razor-thin lines in tournaments, you need to capitalize on windows open to you. So when I pay 30 life into Necro with 3 mana open, I need to make sure I'm converting the win for those 5 points. I can easily argue against it for something like Dirge, but as expected, I thought Glint-Horn lines were going to be difficult to pull off thanks to the presence of Nadu and some of the extra removal I saw people packing. I felt the Necro axis was a better plan to attack than the Glint-Horn plan for this tournament. Quicken has been highly contested as a card in my play group for years.
I don’t think the arguments to not countering quicken amount to much, considering the old adage “don’t counter the tutor, counter the thing they get.” Everyone would hold their counter for the sorcery you play after.
Holy guacamole this spell would be good if you could rip a creature at instant speed. 2 mana Copy spells would be broken, instant speed sheoldred in response to wheels... instant speed stax... it would be incredible!
Bruh, I saw cEDH podcast and I hit subscribe. Before I even got a minute in. I love hot takes from this community. I still don't think it's good though. If a card is only good when I have another card to make it good, it's not good. Also folds hard to Rule of Law effects.
Yeah, the only counterpoint is that it does replace itself, so it doesnt completely rely on another card. Also, rule of law effects have been less and less popular as of recent (in tournament play) thanks to round timers.
@@ThatsAGoodCard yea not gonna lie, found a relatively small cedh channel. It seems very professionally put together and perfect to listen to. Sent you to all my cedh friends as well
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Emperor of Bones, which recently came out of MH3. I don't play cEDH, but any card mana value of 2 and a wall of text is worth considering haha
Thank you for the shoutout guys! Fun podcast, definitely subscribed!
P.S. - primer on quicken technology is being updated! 😊
Can’t wait to see the updated tech!!
"This card is never going to be countered. Does that mean it's a bad card?"
You heard it here first folks! CEDH Postcast calls Demonic Tutor and Mana Crypt a bad card.
Next podcast title: “MANA CRYPT BAD IN CEDH?!? [IMPOSSIBLE]”
"Mana crypt underrated??"
Card recs: Savage Summoning, Leyline of Singularity, Gerrard’s Hourglass Pendant; Horobi, Death’s Wail.
Leyline of singularity is a very highly recommended card!
@@ThatsAGoodCard And for very, very good reasons at that!
When you guys get to episode 75 you need to upload a gameplay video where someone plays every single card you review on this channel plus their choice of 25 lands. Lol
Would be interested in:
Bolas's Citadel
Counterbalance
Ripples of Undeath
Sensei's Top
Birthing Ritual
Charitable Levy
Aura Shards
Mother of Runes
I’ll add them to the rec list!
I really like this card actually and I think yall overall summed it up right. Only thing I would argue is the concept that "only bad cards don't eat counters." If that were the case, Vampiric Tutor and every other Tutor would fall under the bad card rule. So, I actually do think of Quicken kind of as a Tutor in the sense that it will not eat a counter and is designed to set your next move up
@@Dannyrod4573 good point. D tutors and diabolics don’t necessarily eat counters.. but damn do my 1 mana tutors seem to get Mental Misteped over and over again!
When testing Malcolm/Vial Smash, mana was rarely an issue. Quicken was a card to help make Necro lines more consistent. There was some utility with cracking top deck tutors that fetched borne; other lines that matched up well were Ritual -> Quicken -> Beseech sacrificing Necro. This was relevant in one of my rounds.
I think the card is fine in its role. When you have razor-thin lines in tournaments, you need to capitalize on windows open to you. So when I pay 30 life into Necro with 3 mana open, I need to make sure I'm converting the win for those 5 points. I can easily argue against it for something like Dirge, but as expected, I thought Glint-Horn lines were going to be difficult to pull off thanks to the presence of Nadu and some of the extra removal I saw people packing. I felt the Necro axis was a better plan to attack than the Glint-Horn plan for this tournament.
Quicken has been highly contested as a card in my play group for years.
@@RichMann-Bedell congrats on the top 16 and thanks for showing the world the power of this card!!!
I love quicken in heavy control decks for that instant boardwipe right before my turn.
@@faperito2389 it feels so good to get those stax pieces out of the way then go to your untap. DOPAMINE RUSH
Mondays> TAGC the goat
This reminds me of savage summoning
I personally am really high on Savage Summoning! Definitely would like to listen to a pod about it.
My casual friend loves Bee Sting, I'm definitely sending that segment to him 😂
@@selmk8240 hahahaha I hope he enjoys it! It’s a questionable card to say the least 😂
I don’t think the arguments to not countering quicken amount to much, considering the old adage “don’t counter the tutor, counter the thing they get.” Everyone would hold their counter for the sorcery you play after.
Yeah the low sorcery count is a difinitive point. Does your evaluation of this card change if it said spell instead of sorcery?
Holy guacamole this spell would be good if you could rip a creature at instant speed. 2 mana Copy spells would be broken, instant speed sheoldred in response to wheels... instant speed stax... it would be incredible!
27:52 😅😅😅
Bruh, I saw cEDH podcast and I hit subscribe. Before I even got a minute in. I love hot takes from this community. I still don't think it's good though. If a card is only good when I have another card to make it good, it's not good. Also folds hard to Rule of Law effects.
Yeah, the only counterpoint is that it does replace itself, so it doesnt completely rely on another card. Also, rule of law effects have been less and less popular as of recent (in tournament play) thanks to round timers.
increasing engagement
Appreciate it!
@@ThatsAGoodCard yea not gonna lie, found a relatively small cedh channel. It seems very professionally put together and perfect to listen to. Sent you to all my cedh friends as well
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Emperor of Bones, which recently came out of MH3. I don't play cEDH, but any card mana value of 2 and a wall of text is worth considering haha
added to the rec list! I hope you hop into CEDH soon!!!!!
Card suggestion: Acquire
Ooo it’s like bribery for artifacts, nice.
@@ThatsAGoodCard and in a meta where everyone has The One Ring, it's basically an extra copy
Fog
Ah a classic! Added to the recommended list.
@@ThatsAGoodCard ty ty a card i love to telegraph and bluff so my opponents try combat on each other rather than me
Show and tell
Now do Savage Summoning. 😌
It’s high on the rec list haha. People love that niche card!
Party Thrasher TAGC?
added to the recommendation list!
Quicken my typing for first!
kachow
IDK I think board wipes are bad so I don't like it.
@@dave3269 board wipes are bad until it’s the only thing that can save you T.T