I remember Tom Hanks making a big fuzz about the digital actors in "Final Fantasy", painting them as a threat to real actors. Only to star in "Polar Express" four years later, hmmmmm....
That's pretty accurate. It reminds me of old swashbuckling adventures, and it would've been perfect then. I think they kind of wanted to recreate the magic of Pirates of the Caribbean to an extent, but flopped.
It's great. It wasn't too late tho. Seems like everyone who gives it a chance enjoys it. It didn't get any promo bc Disney was gearing up to buy Star Wars after production started. Rumor has it they didn't want a competing space opera franchise.
I never actually finished the Marvels, I left halfway through to answer a phone call, and when I came back, my parents had switched it off and put on something else. The bright colour scheme, the overblown stakes, lacklustre direction, and just lack of interest in the MCU didn't convince them to keep watching.
Similar to The Eternals, there was a good movie in there but it got lost in a morass of convolution. With a steady hand and maybe half the cast, it could’ve been decent.
I also just don't think its true. We all live in a bubble but most normal people don't know the names of people who write and direct movies. They also don't spend time enough on internet message boards to know the discord around Brie Larson. Seriously, go to any public place and ask a random person the gender and race of the person who directed the Marvels and you will get a lot of blank stares. Plus, I think men are generally stupid (I am one, trust me). They might skip a movie because they're not interested in female-led films, but most of them won't read deeply into an action movie. I have three brothers, none of them recognized the feminist subtext in Captain Marvel. That whole "fall down and get up" scene went right over their heads.
The producers of the Lone Ranger had no respect for the original material. The movie was also too big, too many explosions. The Lone Ranger has been a more personal story. No need for massive effects sequences, just have a good script and don't make the hero an idiot.
People also got Depp as a quirky character fatigue. I liked him a lot before but after all the Pirates movies and the other out there characters he played, I got bored with it too
I will never understand why Marvel and Disney thought that The marvels would make money. 3 heroines that the public couldnt care less, an actress that isnt liked, a musical scene (like, why?) And of course The MCU was on bad shape after soo many lacklusters movies.
I watched Ms. Marvel, and I like Captain Marvel well enough; but, The Marvel's was just _bad._ Nonsensical plot that felt stiched together from 3 different screenplays. Pacing so poor, it felt like it was rushing to get itself over with. The tone changes 3 times throughout the film, and the characters don't actually feel like they're in the same scene together somehow. Like they're talking _at_ each other: all exposition dialouge. The writing is so wooden and on the nose I'd think George Lucas wrote the dialouge.
Disney tends to make films now as mostly a merchandise tie-in. They’re a bit like Transformers or He-Man (the 80’s cartoons). They’re not really made to be good but as an extended advert. What is weird is that they’re willing to drop $200-300m on these adverts. That’s really not fiscally sensible. The outlay gamble is more than the potential return. That’s the reason whilst most Marvel/Disney/Star wars films are basically cookie cutter and interchangeable. Disney isn’t interested in artistry anymore, they’re just interested in marketing a product. Low-Mid level budget films are mostly about someone wanting to say something/artistic expression but the high-mega budget films are about selling merch
Blade runner being in this list breaks my heart. People making memes on Ryan Gosling saying literally me didn't even support the movie when it was released 😔
Thankfully they seem to understand that people do like the franchise even if they kind of didn't do that well on the box office. That is why they are making the show since 2049 was a hit on streaming.
ik this is probably a rhetorical question but because the batman (while definitely not my fav batman movie for the nolan trilogy holds the title for me) it was truly good, snd also remained incredibly consistent, while bringing a very very good take of the character and an interesting, more like serious version of the riddler
Mary Sue…oh sorry…Brie as Captain Marvel like many such two dimensional characters short-cutted the Heroe’s Journey. She was ALL powerful, overcame no challenges, suffered no defeats, and G Bossed all the way to the WOMP of an ending!
"As budgets keep increasing, so will the number of flops." Your right about that and history has shown that as well, especially last year which of course part of it was because of covid. Last year also coined the term flopbuster as well. This year hasn't been too bad, but I think next year will be bad. When will studios learn. 🤦
Yeah, last year was brutal, especially to Disney. They did an impressive turnaround this year and for the sake of the industry, I hope it continues into next year. As it stands, it looks a little bare but I'm hoping it fills out.
I was scanning these comments to see if anyone else recognised the brilliance of this film. I didn't realise Ebert was a fan. Now I'll have to check his review.
@@Syntopikon Yep. It's a great film. The editing is exceptional. Few films use the art of editing in such an integral way to the narrative of their movies, and yet, like Kubrick said, unlike lighting, writing and performing, editing is unique to film. It's what distinguishes it from other art forms, and yet it's rarely utilised to its full potential. This and 1999's Magnolia are two of the rare exceptions I can think of where the editing is truly key to the film's overall brilliance.
@@GregOrCreg It was actually the last movie Roger Ebert reviewed before he passed. He loved it, though he confessed he didn’t entirely understand it. The movie basically takes David Mitchell’s fine, fairly low-key novel and dials everything up to 11 by detonating a nuclear bomb under it and photographing the explosion in ultra high-def. This actually works well enough for the most part, and even brilliantly in a few places, but I can’t be surprised that audiences wouldn’t sit still for it. As for BR 2049, I’m a big fan of the original, and were I a studio executive with fiduciary responsibilities to the shareholders I would never have approved a sequel. Who was asking for it?
I liked John Carter, it is really entertaining, well made and the characters are incredibly likeable. I do not understand why they changed the name to John Carter and why haven’t they promoted it.
I say lets take a break from SUPERHERO movies for about 30 years...figure out how to make the next "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest " or " Shawshank Redemption"....
One major problem of Bladerunner 2049 is that the main protagonist is not a human and Ryan Gosling plays him very reserved and his girlfriend is a hologram. The audience had nobody to connect with.
Last night I saw this truly spectacular Chinese crime thriller (black coal, thin ice). It is amazing how the director crafts that movie to show the cat and mouse game and keeps the audience from being sure who’s the cat and who’s the mouse at any given time. The cinematography is also beautiful and i love the closing scenes and lead actors performances. Really reminded me what filmmaking can do. Anyways just wanted to share that since my husbands been catching up on the marvel universe lately and watching that secondhand made this palette cleanser even more cathartic
Mad Max: Aussie taxpayers forked out a staggering $183million for Chris Hemsworth Hollywood flop Furiosa - as prequel struggles to break even at box office
Unfortunate, as I enjoyed the movie. But Furiosa, in general, was a bad move. Fury Road, while fantastic, wasn't a supermassive success. I think George Miller should've played it a bit safe and done a proper sequel instead of a prequel.
I've liked Hemsworth since Star Trek. Really wished he'd been cast as James Kirk. And good for him canceling that Hulk Hogan movie. But has he had any success with a movie outside of the MCU and Cabin In The Woods? I can't think of any.
The Marvels faced challenges such as the SAG-AFTRA strike and a lack of star promotion, contributing to its low box office performance. The movie was unfairly criticized and faced misogyny before it even premiered, unlike other male-centric superhero movies. The Marvels shouldn't bear the responsibility for the decline in the MCU box office due to the shift towards streaming platforms and general audience disinterest in theatrical releases.
The Wachowskis were the most disappointing to me. I kept hoping for something as inspiring as The Matrix, but this video has inspired me to give Cloud Atlas and some of their other films another chance.
British film critic Mark Kermode initially gave Cloud Atlas a bad review and included it in his ‘10 worst films of the year’ list. But several years later he admitted that, upon repeat viewing, he had changed his opinion and said that, although still flawed, it was a film he now admired.
Roger Ebert famously reversed his opinion on Night of the Living Dead, blasting it when it was originally released, praising it on reevaluation years later.
Disney refused to believe their problem with the M-She-U “IS” Brie Larson. Captain Marvel being sandwiched between Infinity War and End Game was thought to be a part of the infinity war saga by fans only to find out it had virtually nothing to do with it.
And if Fury was going to call Captain Marvel shouldn't he have done it when Stark, Strange and Parker were kidnapped by Thanos? That's not an emergency? Instead he waits until the snap when for all he knows she was disappeared too? But no...God forbid she doesn't get her origin movie first! Black Widow didn't get one until she was dead.
Veteran Emmy nominated filmmaker Robert Greenwald has his fair share of flops: both of them were Xanadu (1980) - the latter was nominated for both Grammy & Young Artist Awards in 1981 and Hear No Evil (1993). In 1988, he was fired off from Sweet Hearts Dance and replaced by Howard Deutch of the Pretty in Pink fame. The producers who saw his first film as helmer was Pretty in Pink (1986). But Robert Greenwald fared better with both Disney's Breaking Up (1997) and Lionsgate's Steal This Movie (2000). In 2001, he formed Brave New Studios, where he turned his talents to non-fictional documentary filmmaking.
Such a damn shame that Blade Runner 2049 flopped, probably one of the few good sequels ever made in Modern Hollywood. Luckily dude has a huge comeback thanks to the two Dune films.
I was already suffering from MCU fatigue when Captain Marvel came out and that movie just cemented it. Then came Endgame which I absolutely hated. I think the only one I've watched since was No Way Home and I liked it well enough. (Curiously, I really liked Eternals.) But it's not just the MCU, DC is even worse, just a string one gawd awful movie after another.
Hopefully they're able to change it around. I think the only ones I've actually liked post-Endgame (which I thought was fine, not something I liked or disliked) is Shang-Chi. I wanted to like Eternals, but I felt it had a lot of wasted potential. Thor: Love and Thunder is probably the only Marvel movie that I actively dislike.
Glad you liked it! The Netflix shows are on the list, though I think I might set aside some months to just power through all of the Marvel ones. I’ll have to get around to them eventually 😮💨
The lone ranger suffered from an uneven script, weird weather disasters, a tragedy and it was 20 minutes too long. PS Helena Bonham Carter looks gorgeous in it
Safe to say that making blade Runner 2049 at the scale was a massive risk of faith by the financiers. Fine by me but did they really think it will be a blockbuster? sometimes a bigger budget isn't a good thing. Don't get me wrong it was good but too long.
I’m the odd one out that thinks the Blade Runner movies are both fine length wise. I think maybe they thought that with the 35 years between them, maybe it reached critical mass. If it was made for $100MM, it would’ve at least broken even.
I agree the Marvels should have cut Nick Fury and Monica Rambo and focused on Carol Danvers in a reluctant mentor relationship to Kamala Khan. I would have gone with a variation on the, "we gotta get you home, kid" trope. The antagonists motivation also needed work. I would have gone with a villain that wanted to drain Carol of her Infinity Stone granted powers.
Yeah, villains have also never really been Marvel's strongest suit. I think the "we gotta get you home, kid" trope would've been a good way to go about it. Done well, it could've been like a sci-fi road movie or something, which I definitely would've enjoyed it. After the Secret Wars arc, I hope they ground themselves a bit more.
Disney should just cut their losses and cease all films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It peaked with Avengers Endgame and should’ve just closed after that because all loose ends to me were tied up.
Back then there were also no 'must-see' tv series to get the stories. That really didn't help post End Game as well. If you don't have Disney + then I wonder what peoppe thought seeing Wanda behave like that in movies
I didn’t mind the Marvels. I haven’t seen any of the TV and I managed to keep up. It wasn’t dreadful, but it wasn’t good. It’s hard to believe that the MCU has ended up here after being such a powerhouse.
I think it really came down to the marketing + complexity. There's multiple storylines and the studio didn't know how to pitch. It's one of those movies that I'm glad I was able to see in theaters.
The Marvels is unironically one of my favorite MCU movies. No, I’m not joking, this is not a bit. Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel and Kamala Khan/Ms Marvel are two of my favorite characters in the comics and have been for nearly a decade, so getting to see them on screen together was like Christmas for me. I enjoyed it because it was a fun, colorful romp through space that felt straight out of the comics. I don’t care if it flopped, it’s *MY* flop lmao
Fair enough. I really wished they had focused more on Kamala Khan & Carol Danvers. It's one of my complaints about Spider-Man Homecoming as well: I wish they developed the relationship between Tony Stark & Peter Parker more. The movies have a really good chance to lean into the importance of mentoring, but seem to be squandering it by only skimming the surface.
I don't want to watch The Marvels... But I'd freely admit that I'd happily take it over X-Men Origins: Wolverine any day of the week. Seriously, the anti-woke morons ranting about how bad The Marvels is because "MUH SJW PROPAGANDA" really don't remember the slew of bad Marvel Movies that came before MCU Phase 4 and The Marvels. I should know. I was a victim of their grift for three years.
I appreciate your comments about The Marvels but I was up to date on all the Marvel movies and the streaming series. I knew what was going on. That, plus just seeing Brie Larson as Captain Marvel again, was all I needed to love the movie. As an added bonus, I watched it in 3D. It's a shame that it wasn't more popular. I understand how it could have been but, still...
I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the movie! It's a movie where I think the online discourse was more toxic than what the movie deserved. As I had said in another comment, I think there was a good movie in there somewhere, but I wish it didn't rely on having seen the TV stuff + had been a bit less loaded in terms of characters. If it was a mentorship movie with Brie Larson and Iman Vellani, I think I would've liked it quite a bit.
John Carter was a mistake from the beginning for many reasons, but what flopped for me was A Princess of Mars was written by Burrows when he was a failure at everything he did to that point, but thought he could make some money writing. So he wrote a pulp adult erotic story that he knew was so bad he didn't have his name on it. He called himself Normal Bean, which is a good indicator of his creativity. A hard R rating of a pulp fantasy that at no time should have taken itself seriously, with an experienced director and good marketing, and they might have had a successful film for a third of what they paid out. 😎
@@Syntopikon Movie came out on 2017 , along with the anime (which technically was supplementary) . It's been 7 years. Had it been successful , well you can imagine the rest
There's a theory that Disney set John Carter up to fail. At the time of its production, Disney was in the process of buying Star Wars and would have had two space opera franchises taking money from each other. On top of that, part of any money Carter made would have to go to the Burroughs estate. Considering those factors, Disney just put John Carter out there to struggle its way to success. (And the 13th Warrior isn't a perfect movie, but it's still good. Its failure seems to be a product of spiteful maneuvering on the executive level. That would be a great story in itself.)
Copyright wasn't an issue as A Princess of Mars has been in the public domain since the early 90s. Also, John Carter was in production since 2009, well before the Lucasfilm acquisition. When it comes to things like this, I always think of how DC bought Fawcett Comics a long time ago and intentionally sabotaged Captain Marvel (now Shazam) in order to prop up Superman. Companies do dumb things to themselves, for some ungainly reason. But I don't think that was the case here. It's just a matter of timing.
According to these numbers, it appears that analysts are stating that Wonder Woman 1984 would need to gross over $500 million in order to make its money back. With a production budget of $200 million, this likely points to the film having a colossal marketing budget of over $300 million. This number is much higher than the typical marketing budget for a production, which often amounts to double the initial production budget of a film.
@@Syntopikon The Marvels faced challenges such as the SAG-AFTRA strike and a lack of star promotion, contributing to its low box office performance. The movie was unfairly criticized and faced misogyny before it even premiered, unlike other male-centric superhero movies. The Marvels shouldn't bear the responsibility for the decline in the MCU box office due to the shift towards streaming platforms and general audience disinterest in theatrical releases.
I think the problem for John Carter was Lucas has been borrowing from the story for so long that people watching the trailer were probably going "Oh, that's like..." fill in the SW movie here. They needed to do John Carter between Empire and RotJ.
I can’t understand how ‘13th Warrior’ cost so much money, $160million!!!!?? You certainly don’t see it on screen. And l actually don’t mind the film, I’ve certainly seen a lot worse when it comes to historical/fantasy epics.
Stanton isn't to blame for John Carter's flop. It all goes down to Disney Marketing screwing the mouse. The movie itself is rock solid, entertaining, well filmed, balanced cast. The lack of promotion at all the right places denied it the buzz it deserved. Its gone on to be a popular film in streaming and *should* get a sequel but won't since Disney doesn't have the rights anymore. That movie got done dirty post-production. Nothing else.
Ya'll need to take this list with a bucket load of salt. In the history of film, consider how many movies were "box office flops" but went on to become either well known favorites years later, some even making it to "Cult Classic" status. From this list, just consider that the ORIGINAL Blade Runner was on release considered a flop mostly because it didn't meet Hollywood executives sales expectation. Today I defy you to find a Top "X" greatest Sci Fi films list that doesn't have it in the top 20. Just because a movie cant sell lunchboxes to kids does not mean its a bad movie.
I put Waterworld on a different one, so it wasn't on this one, but it would certainly qualify (sort of - it actually did end up making money in the end). Wild, Wild West is a good one, though. Excellent pull. To think that Will Smith turned down Matrix for it .
What's sad is The Lone Ranger is considered a bomb. That movie is actually enjoyable. My brother got me into at after three attempts of me refusing. Based on what I heard unfortunately.
It's why I usually avoid critical reviews on release (or if I see them, usually discount the score). I try to go to movies as blind as possible, meaning just based off the title, the poster or the trailer. If I see something that makes me go "Neat", I'll usually take a chance on the movie. That's served me fairly well since 2008, which is when I really started hitting theaters.
Undoubtedly Disney's unnecessary, charmless, misandrist and unwanted remake of "Snow White'(Snow Brown)will join this list, if it's ever even released!
John Carter is a great movie destroyed by the omission of two words, namely... "Of Mars". If it had been called John Carter of Mars then more people would have gone to see it. PS Dominic West is brilliant in it. PSS People should stop dissing Taylor Kitsch. He was unlucky, not untalented. The Bang Bang club is an excellent movie incidentally.
Yup - and that was Stanton's original title, too, but they decided to drop the "of Mars." Yeah, Kitsch had some real bad luck that year - two notable, big budget flops + one smaller one. He's still pretty young, though, so there's still a lot of hope for a theatrical comeback.
I concur, but I think the problem is less the comicbookification per se, and more the lack of a hero's journey, worthy antagonists, and, for lack of a better expression, "breathing space." For instance, "Die Hard" works so well, because on one side, you have one guy who's in completely over his head, who grows enough onscreen that you can't help but root for him. Opposing him, is one of the most complex villains ever put to celluloid. The dialogue snaps, and the action is big, but without being ridiculous. And there are quieter scenes that offer both exposition and dramatic relief. Being completely spastic, over an entire runtime, doesn't work. The modern multiplex, alas, is overloaded with heroes that don't need to develop, fighting antagonists that are one-dimensional, over Macguffins that aren't worth caring about, with everything dialed up to eleven. That formula might occasionally work in a six-panel grid, but it's not sustainable at twenty-four frames per second.
I would probably go see John Carter movie if it was called Princess of Mars, the thing is I never ready any John Carter books, so I didn't know who he was so putting his name in the title kind of told me - you should not be watching it if you don't know who he is already...
Bladerunner 2049 lost money mostly because everyone complained about insufferable role by Jared Leto. I wanted to go and see the movie again but remembering that fruit instantly made me turn away from doing so. As for Final Fantasy... For game series' fans film had nothing to do with beloved cast - for non FF fans - it was just boring. Probably first film ever that made me fall asleep. Four times.
ww84 Wonder Woman 1984 is a bigger flop than the marvels ...... the marvels had almost no marketing costs because of the strikes .....and other movies released in the same way ww84 was and the same week or month still made almost a billion dollars
It would be nice if Hollywood could come up with something new and original, rather than reiterated franchises and redundant innumerable sequels of tired played out IPs. In a relatated story, the comic book superhero genre is as tired and played out as any in my memory, which dates back to the late 70s.
Marvels Sung Chi started off ok and then turned into a CGI blob fest of bright colors. All the movies in marvel phase…4? 5? Whatever phase it is have been pretty forgettable.
"Blade Runner 2049" is one of those movies that people claim to like just so they can pretend to be better than those who didn't like it. A true "snob" film. The critique here highlights that, blaming the failure on the slow pace and deep plot. Some of the most iconic films of all time have slow paces and more intricate plots. Saying people "just didn't get it" is the weakest argument possible.
Blade Runner 2049 should have been cut by 45 minutes. It was too long, too slow and I guessed the plot in the first 15 minutes, and Jared Leto acting as the Joker acting as Jared Leto was so annoying, I almost walked out
I watched the John Carter movie, it was pretty bad. I'm not sure anyone has ever been able to make a good movie from that series. I have read the entire series of books.
Wow. I just looked it up and it seems wild. I was thinking of doing a video on whether or not movies can go too far and I'll add it to that one (if I can get my hands on it).
I had never read 'Cloud Atlas' but i enjoyed the movie when I saw it. I had no problem following Cloud Atlas either, probably because I am a smart, erudite and open-minded amateur cineaste and most cinema goers are dumb asses. Fabulously underrated movie.
I can't even save $1 million in one lifetime and these people are losing $200 million on one film.
Have you tried white collar crime? I’m pretty sure that’s how they do it
Making $1b for a film is obscene. There is a direct correlation between the profits these companies make and the number of poor and homeless people.
I think this every time I hear about huge movie flops.
I remember Tom Hanks making a big fuzz about the digital actors in "Final Fantasy", painting them as a threat to real actors. Only to star in "Polar Express" four years later, hmmmmm....
Well he lasted four years before completely contradicting himself. Most celebs can’t go a day.
Anyone can change ideas 😊
Tom Hanks is a dick. He was one of those DnD book burners back in the 80's. He has been a huge bully about his Hawaiian property. Elitist snob.
That’s like Krusty the Clown who managed to announce both his retirement & his triumphant return in the same press conference. 😁
Can't watch anything with Hanks since it was revealed he went to Epstein's island.
John Carter of Mars was a great movie, but it was 40 years too late. A Perfect 60's extravaganza decades too late.
That's pretty accurate. It reminds me of old swashbuckling adventures, and it would've been perfect then. I think they kind of wanted to recreate the magic of Pirates of the Caribbean to an extent, but flopped.
It's great. It wasn't too late tho. Seems like everyone who gives it a chance enjoys it. It didn't get any promo bc Disney was gearing up to buy Star Wars after production started. Rumor has it they didn't want a competing space opera franchise.
I never actually finished the Marvels, I left halfway through to answer a phone call, and when I came back, my parents had switched it off and put on something else. The bright colour scheme, the overblown stakes, lacklustre direction, and just lack of interest in the MCU didn't convince them to keep watching.
Similar to The Eternals, there was a good movie in there but it got lost in a morass of convolution. With a steady hand and maybe half the cast, it could’ve been decent.
I'm glad you have real reasons as to why The Marvels flopped, instead of just saying, "Brie Larson/Feminism bad."
Agreed
In all fairness her moronic comment didn't help.
I also just don't think its true. We all live in a bubble but most normal people don't know the names of people who write and direct movies. They also don't spend time enough on internet message boards to know the discord around Brie Larson. Seriously, go to any public place and ask a random person the gender and race of the person who directed the Marvels and you will get a lot of blank stares. Plus, I think men are generally stupid (I am one, trust me). They might skip a movie because they're not interested in female-led films, but most of them won't read deeply into an action movie. I have three brothers, none of them recognized the feminist subtext in Captain Marvel. That whole "fall down and get up" scene went right over their heads.
I actually quite liked that explanation... Keep it simple I say....😁
@@brettrobinson2901not everyone can critically think. Bless you
The producers of the Lone Ranger had no respect for the original material. The movie was also too big, too many explosions. The Lone Ranger has been a more personal story. No need for massive effects sequences, just have a good script and don't make the hero an idiot.
The Star of the _Lone Ranger_ was Johnny Depp who played Tonto ... who had a dead bird on his head ...
Don't be repulsive ...
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People also got Depp as a quirky character fatigue. I liked him a lot before but after all the Pirates movies and the other out there characters he played, I got bored with it too
I will never understand why Marvel and Disney thought that The marvels would make money. 3 heroines that the public couldnt care less, an actress that isnt liked, a musical scene (like, why?) And of course The MCU was on bad shape after soo many lacklusters movies.
@rreemowyeah, but the movie is bad.
I watched Ms. Marvel, and I like Captain Marvel well enough; but, The Marvel's was just _bad._ Nonsensical plot that felt stiched together from 3 different screenplays. Pacing so poor, it felt like it was rushing to get itself over with. The tone changes 3 times throughout the film, and the characters don't actually feel like they're in the same scene together somehow. Like they're talking _at_ each other: all exposition dialouge. The writing is so wooden and on the nose I'd think George Lucas wrote the dialouge.
The first Captain Marvel somehow made money, so I guess they figured people would eat slop twice.
@@harrymason4300 but it was sandwiched between two most succesfull marvel movies
Disney tends to make films now as mostly a merchandise tie-in. They’re a bit like Transformers or He-Man (the 80’s cartoons). They’re not really made to be good but as an extended advert. What is weird is that they’re willing to drop $200-300m on these adverts. That’s really not fiscally sensible. The outlay gamble is more than the potential return. That’s the reason whilst most Marvel/Disney/Star wars films are basically cookie cutter and interchangeable. Disney isn’t interested in artistry anymore, they’re just interested in marketing a product. Low-Mid level budget films are mostly about someone wanting to say something/artistic expression but the high-mega budget films are about selling merch
Blade runner being in this list breaks my heart. People making memes on Ryan Gosling saying literally me didn't even support the movie when it was released 😔
Likewise. And the first Blade Runner suffered a similar fate. Two of my favorite movies, and two of the best I've seen. I hope the show does well.
Thankfully they seem to understand that people do like the franchise even if they kind of didn't do that well on the box office. That is why they are making the show since 2049 was a hit on streaming.
It seemed to be that people saw it later and now they enjoy it. It was ignored when it was released until almost a decade later.
"literally me" ppl don't seem to actually get those types of films
I doubt they actually supported it
Amazing film BTW wish it had more
Important lesson is to leave the classics ALONE!
That's Disney's excuse for The Marvel flopping, Covid. How come The Batman which was also filmed during that time became a huge hit?
DC & WB always put a lot of effort when it comes to batman movies,it clearly shows
ik this is probably a rhetorical question but
because the batman (while definitely not my fav batman movie for the nolan trilogy holds the title for me) it was truly good, snd also remained incredibly consistent, while bringing a very very good take of the character and an interesting, more like serious version of the riddler
Mary Sue…oh sorry…Brie as Captain Marvel like many such two dimensional characters short-cutted the Heroe’s Journey. She was ALL powerful, overcame no challenges, suffered no defeats, and G Bossed all the way to the WOMP of an ending!
Awesome video. It should also be noted that Cloud Atlas was co-directed by German director Tom Tywker, the guy behind Run Lola Run
"As budgets keep increasing, so will the number of flops." Your right about that and history has shown that as well, especially last year which of course part of it was because of covid. Last year also coined the term flopbuster as well. This year hasn't been too bad, but I think next year will be bad. When will studios learn. 🤦
Yeah, last year was brutal, especially to Disney. They did an impressive turnaround this year and for the sake of the industry, I hope it continues into next year. As it stands, it looks a little bare but I'm hoping it fills out.
I like John Carter. Of course it could’ve been better. But I enjoyed it overall.
I adored Cloud Atlas. I don't think a movie has ever had me so engrossed in its world. Roger Ebert's review is dead-on.
Yeah, it’s a great film. One of my favorites of 2012. I wish more directors took such wild risks.
I was scanning these comments to see if anyone else recognised the brilliance of this film. I didn't realise Ebert was a fan. Now I'll have to check his review.
@@Syntopikon Yep. It's a great film. The editing is exceptional. Few films use the art of editing in such an integral way to the narrative of their movies, and yet, like Kubrick said, unlike lighting, writing and performing, editing is unique to film. It's what distinguishes it from other art forms, and yet it's rarely utilised to its full potential. This and 1999's Magnolia are two of the rare exceptions I can think of where the editing is truly key to the film's overall brilliance.
@@GregOrCreg It was actually the last movie Roger Ebert reviewed before he passed. He loved it, though he confessed he didn’t entirely understand it. The movie basically takes David Mitchell’s fine, fairly low-key novel and dials everything up to 11 by detonating a nuclear bomb under it and photographing the explosion in ultra high-def. This actually works well enough for the most part, and even brilliantly in a few places, but I can’t be surprised that audiences wouldn’t sit still for it.
As for BR 2049, I’m a big fan of the original, and were I a studio executive with fiduciary responsibilities to the shareholders I would never have approved a sequel. Who was asking for it?
Brie Larson has zero charisma.
She's playing an angry feminist trying not to show emotion so noone sees her frustration for Chad not committing 😂
Even in Kong Skull Island...outside of throwing a lighter she gave us no reason her character had to be there.
She really pisses all you incels off LMAO. I love it.
@@davedsilva 4Chan is down the hall and to the left, incel.
I liked John Carter, it is really entertaining, well made and the characters are incredibly likeable. I do not understand why they changed the name to John Carter and why haven’t they promoted it.
Disney was afraid "Princess of Mars" would only attract little girls expecting another "My Little Pony".
I say lets take a break from SUPERHERO movies for about 30 years...figure out how to make the next "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest " or " Shawshank Redemption"....
Big budget monstrosities get boring.
@@geraldmartin7703 Yep...small , intellectual indie type monstrosities are MUCH better...😉
One major problem of Bladerunner 2049 is that the main protagonist is not a human and Ryan Gosling plays him very reserved and his girlfriend is a hologram. The audience had nobody to connect with.
I took the kids to see Lone Ranger. We all liked it. Great job on this video. Subbed
Glad you enjoyed it! I saw it close to opening day with a friend and had a blast with it. It's one of those perennially fun movies.
Amazing video keep up the great work
Glad you enjoyed it!
Last night I saw this truly spectacular Chinese crime thriller (black coal, thin ice). It is amazing how the director crafts that movie to show the cat and mouse game and keeps the audience from being sure who’s the cat and who’s the mouse at any given time. The cinematography is also beautiful and i love the closing scenes and lead actors performances. Really reminded me what filmmaking can do. Anyways just wanted to share that since my husbands been catching up on the marvel universe lately and watching that secondhand made this palette cleanser even more cathartic
Mad Max: Aussie taxpayers forked out a staggering $183million for Chris Hemsworth Hollywood flop Furiosa - as prequel struggles to break even at box office
Unfortunate, as I enjoyed the movie. But Furiosa, in general, was a bad move. Fury Road, while fantastic, wasn't a supermassive success. I think George Miller should've played it a bit safe and done a proper sequel instead of a prequel.
I've liked Hemsworth since Star Trek. Really wished he'd been cast as James Kirk.
And good for him canceling that Hulk Hogan movie.
But has he had any success with a movie outside of the MCU and Cabin In The Woods?
I can't think of any.
Furiosa is an awful movie, the leads are not likeable enough
Bladerunner 2049 deserved better
The Marvels faced challenges such as the SAG-AFTRA strike and a lack of star promotion, contributing to its low box office performance.
The movie was unfairly criticized and faced misogyny before it even premiered, unlike other male-centric superhero movies.
The Marvels shouldn't bear the responsibility for the decline in the MCU box office due to the shift towards streaming platforms and general audience disinterest in theatrical releases.
The Wachowskis were the most disappointing to me. I kept hoping for something as inspiring as The Matrix, but this video has inspired me to give Cloud Atlas and some of their other films another chance.
Cloud Atlas is great. Highly recommend it.
British film critic Mark Kermode initially gave Cloud Atlas a bad review and included it in his ‘10 worst films of the year’ list. But several years later he admitted that, upon repeat viewing, he had changed his opinion and said that, although still flawed, it was a film he now admired.
Roger Ebert famously reversed his opinion on Night of the Living Dead, blasting it when it was originally released, praising it on reevaluation years later.
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
Lol why did they cast Johnny Depp to play a Native American?
Disney refused to believe their problem with the M-She-U “IS” Brie Larson. Captain Marvel being sandwiched between Infinity War and End Game was thought to be a part of the infinity war saga by fans only to find out it had virtually nothing to do with it.
And if Fury was going to call Captain Marvel shouldn't he have done it when Stark, Strange and Parker were kidnapped by Thanos? That's not an emergency?
Instead he waits until the snap when for all he knows she was disappeared too?
But no...God forbid she doesn't get her origin movie first!
Black Widow didn't get one until she was dead.
M-she-U: dude, there are many many many more Marvel films with a male lead. You are very quick to whine about stuff, hmm?
Your videos are so interesting and thoughtful. Keep it up!
The Marvels failed because of bad ✍️ bad action sences , BAD Character placement & Bad Main Villain storyline
Veteran Emmy nominated filmmaker Robert Greenwald has his fair share of flops: both of them were Xanadu (1980) - the latter was nominated for
both Grammy & Young Artist Awards in 1981 and Hear No Evil (1993). In 1988, he was fired off from Sweet Hearts Dance and replaced by
Howard Deutch of the Pretty in Pink fame. The producers who saw his first film as helmer was Pretty in Pink (1986). But Robert Greenwald
fared better with both Disney's Breaking Up (1997) and Lionsgate's Steal This Movie (2000).
In 2001, he formed Brave New Studios, where he turned his talents to non-fictional documentary filmmaking.
Why does UA-cam ask for surveys on comments?
Princess of mars already exists as an movie starring Traci Lords from 2009
Such a damn shame that Blade Runner 2049 flopped, probably one of the few good sequels ever made in Modern Hollywood. Luckily dude has a huge comeback thanks to the two Dune films.
Saw Dune 2 multiple times in theaters. I hope they re-release it soon.
I was already suffering from MCU fatigue when Captain Marvel came out and that movie just cemented it. Then came Endgame which I absolutely hated. I think the only one I've watched since was No Way Home and I liked it well enough. (Curiously, I really liked Eternals.) But it's not just the MCU, DC is even worse, just a string one gawd awful movie after another.
Hopefully they're able to change it around. I think the only ones I've actually liked post-Endgame (which I thought was fine, not something I liked or disliked) is Shang-Chi. I wanted to like Eternals, but I felt it had a lot of wasted potential. Thor: Love and Thunder is probably the only Marvel movie that I actively dislike.
Great video as always. You should definitely go back and watch all of Jessica Jones. It’s A+
Glad you liked it! The Netflix shows are on the list, though I think I might set aside some months to just power through all of the Marvel ones. I’ll have to get around to them eventually 😮💨
I liked both, Marvels & John Carter, they weren't perfect but entertasining
The lone ranger suffered from an uneven script, weird weather disasters, a tragedy and it was 20 minutes too long. PS Helena Bonham Carter looks gorgeous in it
I loved the 13th Warrior
John Carter was good. Likèly poor marketing.
And a bad name. They should've stuck with A Princess of Mars.
I saw it a few months ago and I think it's super basic, nothing spectacular really
Safe to say that making blade Runner 2049 at the scale was a massive risk of faith by the financiers. Fine by me but did they really think it will be a blockbuster? sometimes a bigger budget isn't a good thing. Don't get me wrong it was good but too long.
I’m the odd one out that thinks the Blade Runner movies are both fine length wise. I think maybe they thought that with the 35 years between them, maybe it reached critical mass. If it was made for $100MM, it would’ve at least broken even.
I agree the Marvels should have cut Nick Fury and Monica Rambo and focused on Carol Danvers in a reluctant mentor relationship to Kamala Khan. I would have gone with a variation on the, "we gotta get you home, kid" trope.
The antagonists motivation also needed work. I would have gone with a villain that wanted to drain Carol of her Infinity Stone granted powers.
Yeah, villains have also never really been Marvel's strongest suit.
I think the "we gotta get you home, kid" trope would've been a good way to go about it. Done well, it could've been like a sci-fi road movie or something, which I definitely would've enjoyed it. After the Secret Wars arc, I hope they ground themselves a bit more.
Disney should just cut their losses and cease all films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It peaked with Avengers Endgame and should’ve just closed after that because all loose ends to me were tied up.
Back then there were also no 'must-see' tv series to get the stories. That really didn't help post End Game as well. If you don't have Disney + then I wonder what peoppe thought seeing Wanda behave like that in movies
I didn’t mind the Marvels. I haven’t seen any of the TV and I managed to keep up. It wasn’t dreadful, but it wasn’t good. It’s hard to believe that the MCU has ended up here after being such a powerhouse.
Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite movies. I don't understand how it flopped.
I think it really came down to the marketing + complexity. There's multiple storylines and the studio didn't know how to pitch. It's one of those movies that I'm glad I was able to see in theaters.
@@Syntopikon yeah, I get it, but you would think that word of mouth and critical praise would've helped.
The Marvels is unironically one of my favorite MCU movies. No, I’m not joking, this is not a bit. Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel and Kamala Khan/Ms Marvel are two of my favorite characters in the comics and have been for nearly a decade, so getting to see them on screen together was like Christmas for me. I enjoyed it because it was a fun, colorful romp through space that felt straight out of the comics. I don’t care if it flopped, it’s *MY* flop lmao
Fair enough. I really wished they had focused more on Kamala Khan & Carol Danvers. It's one of my complaints about Spider-Man Homecoming as well: I wish they developed the relationship between Tony Stark & Peter Parker more. The movies have a really good chance to lean into the importance of mentoring, but seem to be squandering it by only skimming the surface.
I don't want to watch The Marvels... But I'd freely admit that I'd happily take it over X-Men Origins: Wolverine any day of the week. Seriously, the anti-woke morons ranting about how bad The Marvels is because "MUH SJW PROPAGANDA" really don't remember the slew of bad Marvel Movies that came before MCU Phase 4 and The Marvels.
I should know. I was a victim of their grift for three years.
@@NebLleb Shut Up Woke Boy, Transgenders ruined Marvel and Cartoon Network.
I appreciate your comments about The Marvels but I was up to date on all the Marvel movies and the streaming series. I knew what was going on. That, plus just seeing Brie Larson as Captain Marvel again, was all I needed to love the movie. As an added bonus, I watched it in 3D. It's a shame that it wasn't more popular. I understand how it could have been but, still...
I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the movie! It's a movie where I think the online discourse was more toxic than what the movie deserved. As I had said in another comment, I think there was a good movie in there somewhere, but I wish it didn't rely on having seen the TV stuff + had been a bit less loaded in terms of characters. If it was a mentorship movie with Brie Larson and Iman Vellani, I think I would've liked it quite a bit.
John Carter was a mistake from the beginning for many reasons, but what flopped for me was A Princess of Mars was written by Burrows when he was a failure at everything he did to that point, but thought he could make some money writing. So he wrote a pulp adult erotic story that he knew was so bad he didn't have his name on it. He called himself Normal Bean, which is a good indicator of his creativity. A hard R rating of a pulp fantasy that at no time should have taken itself seriously, with an experienced director and good marketing, and they might have had a successful film for a third of what they paid out. 😎
Most on this list are mediocre, not terrible. Cloud Atlas was fairly good. The Lone Ranger is the one absolute stinker.
When film makers want to outdo the prequels they fail miserably. They want more action, more glitz, more shooting, more stunts etc.
We are lucky BR49 flopped, otherwise we'd get an endless list of slops of remakes & reboots & multiverse of the 2 movies.
To be fair, we are getting the Blade Runner show on Amazon, plus there was an anime. Annapurna is also making a game lol
@@Syntopikon Movie came out on 2017 , along with the anime (which technically was supplementary) .
It's been 7 years.
Had it been successful , well you can imagine the rest
There's a theory that Disney set John Carter up to fail. At the time of its production, Disney was in the process of buying Star Wars and would have had two space opera franchises taking money from each other. On top of that, part of any money Carter made would have to go to the Burroughs estate. Considering those factors, Disney just put John Carter out there to struggle its way to success.
(And the 13th Warrior isn't a perfect movie, but it's still good. Its failure seems to be a product of spiteful maneuvering on the executive level. That would be a great story in itself.)
Copyright wasn't an issue as A Princess of Mars has been in the public domain since the early 90s. Also, John Carter was in production since 2009, well before the Lucasfilm acquisition.
When it comes to things like this, I always think of how DC bought Fawcett Comics a long time ago and intentionally sabotaged Captain Marvel (now Shazam) in order to prop up Superman. Companies do dumb things to themselves, for some ungainly reason. But I don't think that was the case here. It's just a matter of timing.
Of course, this theory is pretty bogus.
The copyright issue seems to be a little murky. According to the John Carter Files, while the books are in the public domain, the name is trademarked.
Blade Runner 2049 was awesome ! Far better than I expected it to be !
It’s an excellent movie. I hope they continue with it.
According to these numbers, it appears that analysts are stating that Wonder Woman 1984 would need to gross over $500 million in order to make its money back. With a production budget of $200 million, this likely points to the film having a colossal marketing budget of over $300 million. This number is much higher than the typical marketing budget for a production, which often amounts to double the initial production budget of a film.
1984 had some other issues, including pandemic pushes + a simultaneous release on HBO Max.
@@Syntopikon The Marvels faced challenges such as the SAG-AFTRA strike and a lack of star promotion, contributing to its low box office performance.
The movie was unfairly criticized and faced misogyny before it even premiered, unlike other male-centric superhero movies.
The Marvels shouldn't bear the responsibility for the decline in the MCU box office due to the shift towards streaming platforms and general audience disinterest in theatrical releases.
@@Syntopikon tenet was also a pandemic + a simultaneous release on HBO Max. yet it made 400 million over twice what ww84 did
Dude, sorry to not sorry, but …..
John Carter >>>>>>>>> Lone Ranger
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That I agree with, but I still like both lol
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I think the problem for John Carter was Lucas has been borrowing from the story for so long that people watching the trailer were probably going "Oh, that's like..." fill in the SW movie here.
They needed to do John Carter between Empire and RotJ.
I honestly really liked cloud atlas and have seen it many times, I feel like I see it different every time.
It's a wonderful movie. I wish more directors had the heart to do such an ambitious adaptation or movie.
I can’t understand how ‘13th Warrior’ cost so much money, $160million!!!!?? You certainly don’t see it on screen. And l actually don’t mind the film, I’ve certainly seen a lot worse when it comes to historical/fantasy epics.
I agree with other movies here but I actually enjoyed John Carter and Cloud Atlas at the cinema. I even rewatched them streaming.
Stanton isn't to blame for John Carter's flop. It all goes down to Disney Marketing screwing the mouse. The movie itself is rock solid, entertaining, well filmed, balanced cast. The lack of promotion at all the right places denied it the buzz it deserved. Its gone on to be a popular film in streaming and *should* get a sequel but won't since Disney doesn't have the rights anymore. That movie got done dirty post-production. Nothing else.
tenet was also a pandemic + a simultaneous release on HBO Max. yet it made 400 million over twice what ww84 did
true Wonder Woman 1984 is a bigger flop than the marvels
Ya'll need to take this list with a bucket load of salt. In the history of film, consider how many movies were "box office flops" but went on to become either well known favorites years later, some even making it to "Cult Classic" status. From this list, just consider that the ORIGINAL Blade Runner was on release considered a flop mostly because it didn't meet Hollywood executives sales expectation. Today I defy you to find a Top "X" greatest Sci Fi films list that doesn't have it in the top 20. Just because a movie cant sell lunchboxes to kids does not mean its a bad movie.
Waterworld should be on the list and wild wild west.
I put Waterworld on a different one, so it wasn't on this one, but it would certainly qualify (sort of - it actually did end up making money in the end). Wild, Wild West is a good one, though. Excellent pull. To think that Will Smith turned down Matrix for it .
What's sad is The Lone Ranger is considered a bomb. That movie is actually enjoyable. My brother got me into at after three attempts of me refusing. Based on what I heard unfortunately.
It's why I usually avoid critical reviews on release (or if I see them, usually discount the score). I try to go to movies as blind as possible, meaning just based off the title, the poster or the trailer. If I see something that makes me go "Neat", I'll usually take a chance on the movie. That's served me fairly well since 2008, which is when I really started hitting theaters.
Undoubtedly Disney's unnecessary, charmless, misandrist and unwanted remake of "Snow White'(Snow Brown)will join this list, if it's ever even released!
John Carter is a great movie destroyed by the omission of two words, namely... "Of Mars". If it had been called John Carter of Mars then more people would have gone to see it. PS Dominic West is brilliant in it. PSS People should stop dissing Taylor Kitsch. He was unlucky, not untalented. The Bang Bang club is an excellent movie incidentally.
Yup - and that was Stanton's original title, too, but they decided to drop the "of Mars."
Yeah, Kitsch had some real bad luck that year - two notable, big budget flops + one smaller one. He's still pretty young, though, so there's still a lot of hope for a theatrical comeback.
@@Syntopikon You and I are on the same cineaste wavelength.😜 You should check out the Servant by Joseph Losey and Mephisto by Istvan Szabo.
I stopped watching western movies 8 years ago. Just the same superiority complex focused on making money. No Passion
Modern westerns? Or old school westerns?
@Syntopikon pretty much all of it
Is anyone besides me sick of superhero movies? I don’t care if I never see another one.
I concur, but I think the problem is less the comicbookification per se, and more the lack of a hero's journey, worthy antagonists, and, for lack of a better expression, "breathing space."
For instance, "Die Hard" works so well, because on one side, you have one guy who's in completely over his head, who grows enough onscreen that you can't help but root for him. Opposing him, is one of the most complex villains ever put to celluloid.
The dialogue snaps, and the action is big, but without being ridiculous. And there are quieter scenes that offer both exposition and dramatic relief. Being completely spastic, over an entire runtime, doesn't work.
The modern multiplex, alas, is overloaded with heroes that don't need to develop, fighting antagonists that are one-dimensional, over Macguffins that aren't worth caring about, with everything dialed up to eleven. That formula might occasionally work in a six-panel grid, but it's not sustainable at twenty-four frames per second.
Marvel just got stoopid crazy confusing and Loki omfg
I would probably go see John Carter movie if it was called Princess of Mars, the thing is I never ready any John Carter books, so I didn't know who he was so putting his name in the title kind of told me - you should not be watching it if you don't know who he is already...
Yup. They should've just gone with A Princess of Mars.
Bladerunner 2049 lost money mostly because everyone complained about insufferable role by Jared Leto. I wanted to go and see the movie again but remembering that fruit instantly made me turn away from doing so.
As for Final Fantasy... For game series' fans film had nothing to do with beloved cast - for non FF fans - it was just boring. Probably first film ever that made me fall asleep. Four times.
There's no way enough people care about, or even know, who Jared Leto is to not see a movie in droves because he's in it.
ww84 Wonder Woman 1984 is a bigger flop than the marvels ...... the marvels had almost no marketing costs because of the strikes .....and other movies released in the same way ww84 was and the same week or month still made almost a billion dollars
Tarantino highly praised The Lone Ranger.
There's no need of the 1000 "quote/end quote".
A habit I picked up from Hardcore History 😭
Now with Joker 2 out, you might need to update this list. Yikes!
Yup 😭 A $200m loss. It's wild.
Stop exposing them 😭😂
It would be nice if Hollywood could come up with something new and original, rather than reiterated franchises and redundant innumerable sequels of tired played out IPs.
In a relatated story, the comic book superhero genre is as tired and played out as any in my memory, which dates back to the late 70s.
As someone who has seen every Marvel movie ...
Sorry, that disqualifies you from making any sensible comment on any movie!
Why does marvel contenue to use the exact same production, marketing, and distribution strategy when the movies that follow it BOMB
Marvels Sung Chi started off ok and then turned into a CGI blob fest of bright colors.
All the movies in marvel phase…4? 5? Whatever phase it is have been pretty forgettable.
I love cloud atlas and don’t get the hate it’s so rewarding watching multiple times and seeing the connections
"Blade Runner 2049" is one of those movies that people claim to like just so they can pretend to be better than those who didn't like it. A true "snob" film. The critique here highlights that, blaming the failure on the slow pace and deep plot. Some of the most iconic films of all time have slow paces and more intricate plots. Saying people "just didn't get it" is the weakest argument possible.
Says who? I liked it!!
Blade Runner 2049 should have been cut by 45 minutes. It was too long, too slow and I guessed the plot in the first 15 minutes, and Jared Leto acting as the Joker acting as Jared Leto was so annoying, I almost walked out
Seems like every video cycles through the same films : John carter, Fitzcarraldo, blade runner, lone ranger. Getting boring
I didn’t see anything wrong with The Marvels. A Super Hero team up movie and enjoyable.
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I watched the John Carter movie, it was pretty bad. I'm not sure anyone has ever been able to make a good movie from that series. I have read the entire series of books.
I don’t get the appeal of these CGI heavy movies.
Lone Ranger was absolutely terrible.
Them be fighting words 😭
Can you do this disturbing movie called Poaching by the Water (Horse, Woman, and Dog) 1990 it’s basically a z00p1le movie
Wow. I just looked it up and it seems wild. I was thinking of doing a video on whether or not movies can go too far and I'll add it to that one (if I can get my hands on it).
Snow White 2025
I like Spirits Within.
👊 There's a movie that truly was ahead of its time.
I had never read 'Cloud Atlas' but i enjoyed the movie when I saw it. I had no problem following Cloud Atlas either, probably because I am a smart, erudite and open-minded amateur cineaste and most cinema goers are dumb asses. Fabulously underrated movie.
The movie flops, were Blue Beetle, the next flop will be the new Superman...,l
Blade Runner 2049 was 20 minutes too long and that french Canadian director chap is a prat.
The Marvels would be slightly better if the cut Miss Marvel
ms marvel iman vellani?
18:52 terrible take. Lion king looks like shit
There are parts where it suffers, and it's fine to not like it, but it's indisputably a technical marvel.
@@Syntopikon I'm disputing it. Many other (frankly better) youtubers dispute it. What the hell are you talking about
@@dirkdiggler. Feel free to link some and I'll check them out.
The marvels deserved it.
Love John Carter!!