Squats and Your Knees (Audio Only)
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2018
- Mark Rippetoe reads "Squats and Your Knees" in which he discusses the conventional wisdom that "squats are bad for the knees."
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"The Below Parallel squat is unparalleled for development of strength..."
Well said.
Thank you for posting!
My mom is a physical therapist and I work with children. Whenever we hear the "squat bad for knees" bit, we laugh hard. If that were the case, all kiddos would have arthritic knees by kinder 😂
I have an acl injury yet I feel no pain in my knees when I squat using Rip's method
I went to India months ago. Everyone squats all the time.
@@monkula84 the body weight decreases by 3kgs after each squat session however
You mean they shit?
They do it to shit because the few public bathrooms available are filthy.
@@alejandroperez5368 they shit that way, eat that way, smoke that way, chill and hang that way, I think it might even be used by guys on top during sex. For whatever reason, it's just a commonly used, ubiquitous, practical position that they'll just spend amounts of time in a full, bottomed out squat that I have to admit to being incapably conditioned for. I've spent a lot of time in India myself, in various locations. It's legit a thing there.
@@Breaker197 do fat people perform this ancient technique too?
I had some problems with my knee, but since i do heavy (below)parallel lowbar squats my knees are completely fine, but as you say many people who are weaker and have lots of issues say, that heavy squats destroy your knee :-D I just ask them "do you even squat bro" and they never even know how to squat nore target a relevant weight :-D
In addition, humans have been defecating from a below parallel squat position, really up until the last 400 years. The body was made for this position. The elderly in Asian countries don't experience nearly the same level of mobility issues that we do here in America, I believe partly because below parallel squatting has become at minimum, a daily task for them.
Slav squat!
Tracksuits are mandatory to performing this exercise.
Dr sully said people have making love in this position also 😊
"LUNCH ROOM MONITORS!!" Bwahahahaha! Damn, I wish I had this information LONG ago. I learned so many bad things from other sources that I'm having to undo.
I suppose humans have lived a lot longer without seats for their toilets so that means our bodies have actually evolved to squat below parallel. I dont seem to find the time when the first seats for toilets were implemented but at least my speculation might hold some water pun intended.
another treasure out of the chest
Does anyone know if Rip has a video on squatting with IT Band pain ?
Box squats using a toilet as the box would put an end to the controversy over this deeply divisive exercise :)
most toilets sir above parallel for most people though It is my favorite squat variation
I squat corrected
Then again, I guess one could alternatively choose low toilet squatting instead of the popular high toilet squat. But honestly, who gives a crap.
Lol Edward Goose you give a crap be honest
John Carter you know it's true.
Had lingering knee pain for years due to rucking. Started squatting 5 days a week, 3 days low bar , 2 days front squat. After 2 weeks my knee doesn't ache for no damn reason anymore.
Moral of the story: science cannot and should not trump real world experience.
jam34786 I thing the additional fluid from the excersice help cushion and lubricate the joints; that is my guess. of all things, locking out the joint is worse than squatting low.
I done a complete pause and relaxation at "taint to ground" position today and when I came up I felt a moderate crackle at my medial meniscus and its intermittently sore. I hurt that years ago and I fear I may have difficulty getting past it since I just started squatting after a 20 year hiatus.
Start with low bar squat, get yourself strong, have your bones and muscles protect you by reinforcing them
Once strong, try whatever it is you want do, in this case the "taint to ground" squat
Did rip just say he doesn’t have an acl?
Never heard either one of those people mentioned say that.
Can you gain overall strength with the OH press and Barbell Squat. Just looking for confirmation bias to affirm my minimalistic plan and know what I can stay with the long term.
I might not have the credentials to answer your question, but I would strongly advise against it. While most machines at commercial gyms are stupid and largely useless, extreme minimalism will not only leave lots of weak links, but will also raise your chances of overuse through the roof. Performing too much of anything, including amazing exercises like the squat and OHP will lead to overuse injuries. If you, because of closed gyms for example, only have a barbell plus weights, and cant drop it hard on the floor like a deadlift, I would suggest adding in some floor presses, pendlay rows (with soft touch on floor), romanian deadlifts, maybe some good mornings if you can perform them safely and maybe some shrugs and barbell curls.
@@u.sgrant7526 wow I really appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts on this. I agree and started varying my lifts recently because I started having the same concern.
I would do the Stronglifts 5x5 program
So do olympic weightlifters squat incorrectly because they do it with relatively vertical torsos (quad dominant squats)? Is that squatting style good/bad for the knees?
High bar squat is perfectly safe. You can squat more weight with low bar position though.
the upward torso is required for weightlifters because they need to accelerate the bar in an upward motion for the snatch+clean and jerk. (Also they catch the bar with an upward torso)
Why does he call them below parallel squats? I thought he emphasized only going to parallel (hip crease parallel to top of the patella) and not going below that 90 degree angle (ass to grass for example)?
My understanding is that you go just below parallel to ensure that you at least went parallel.
My knees crack and get sore when I go below parallel. I assume it's a technique problem but I can't seem to solve it so I only go to parallel now
The cracking noise is your patella(s) sliding around. Strength your VMOs with unilateral work and really focus on firing them when you do leg work.
CjaM McGymLad warm up longer
Knee sleeves
you probably lean forward a bit more that you should
Me too.
Assuming that this is more of a hip and lower back exercise, if I am getting most of my muscle soreness in my glutes and upper hamstrings, would that suggest I am doing them correctly? Unfortunately I don't have anyone to watch me that really knows anything about squats.
you dont have to look at muscle soreness that is an unimportant factor for growth. If you want that someone checks your form post it on the starting strength forum. (Make sure to record the video right there are some explaining notes on the website somewhere)
So is this saying all high bar squatters will have dicked up knees? Not following the logic. Defends the low bar but not high bar
Colin Moreau why would a low bar advocating video make a case for high bar? Look up Chad Wesley Smith and Max Aita for high bar tutorials.
Johnathan. Aviles ok, then distinguish that and don't say ALLLLLLL squats. Very ambiguous.
But if you squat high bar u still go below parallel.
Where did he say anything about high bar at all here? I missed it.
David McClelland exactly my point. When you come off as an authority in your field and a person these kids coming up in the game can trust for info, and they assume they can high bar (again, because it's not specified it's just said "SQUAT") and these kids start bending over in the high bar because uncle rip said so, they snap their damn back. Again my point is that the choice of words on SQUAT is ambiguous. There are other types of squats than just low bar. And saying "squat" does not imply "low bar squat"automatically.
squatting isnt bad... making a long successful linear progression squatting 3 times a week and power cleaning will probably start to lead to problems though. this program is deceptively hardcore for those who do it right.
"But muh knees"
People are not used to doing this exercise 🏋️
2017?
probably when he wrote the article he's reading. or this was recorded in advance
*current year*
my Knees hurt.... eat some shell fish
The perfect form example photo on this “video” demonstrates a perfect squat and it is parallel. Not beyond and not partial. That’s my idea of a perfect squat.
Tommy Thompson the picture I see has the the knees at about 6 grids up and the hips at about 5 with the majority of the knee above line 5 and the hip joint just at or slightly below it.
Olympic weightlifters do ass the grass squats and they don't have high risk of knee injurys from other sports and activities.
I don’t understand his focus on “beyond parallel.” The goal of a properly executed squat is parallel. That’s how it’s judged in a meet. Anything above that is a partial squat. Is he saying a proper squat is ass to grass? Something else?
he means just slightly below not ass to grass
proper depth in a squat is when each muscle that is involved is stretched the most without the relaxation of any muscle. (At some point the hamstrings and some other muscles relax if you go much deeper than parallel)
Hip crease below top of patellar
Actually helps knees if you listen to RIP approach.....subtext is dont be a wuss.
As completely expected, squats are great. Rip is right, they're wrong lol. This shit gets old. Not that I disagree, just saying. I would like to hear some different content, been harping on this for a while now.
Johnathan. Aviles I think Rip would like to get on to a different topic as well. The problem is that the same bullshit keeps getting spread around and around around despite his best efforts.
and yes the vast majority of people in the gym, if you tell them that, even though they have no words and cant counter your points in any way will still contract their faces and go back to doing partial squats
i once talked to someone about the exercises that he chooses to do and he said to me at the start that i should know that it doesnt matter what im going to say, even if im correct, he is still going to keep doing the same things.... he literally said that even if he knows for a fact that what he is doing is a waste of time he doesnt care and hes still gonna keep doing that, this is the majority of people.