UA 6176 ( 610B & 1176LN) and LA-610 MK2 vs UA plugins and unison

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  • @nkozi
    @nkozi 3 роки тому +13

    "I can't sing and I'm not a very good guitar player"
    *sings and plays beautifully*

  • @BillyBlaze7
    @BillyBlaze7 7 років тому +11

    Man thats a lot of cash you have there in equipment and it sounds great.
    Nice playing and vocals too.
    I am guessing the first example was the hardware and the second was the software.
    First example was fantastic sounding.
    I just picked up the LA-610 MK2 for my project studio and can't wait to try it out.

  • @davidmaraisthecampfireguit2596
    @davidmaraisthecampfireguit2596 4 роки тому +3

    Your voice and guitar are terrific. You're too humble! Thank you for the demo - awesome.

  • @marcryan8169
    @marcryan8169 3 роки тому +1

    Really enjoyed the song choice here in capturing the vintage character of the 610. Appreciate you posting this.

  • @ER_aka_RAM
    @ER_aka_RAM 8 років тому +3

    Thanx for setting up the comparison, it helped clarify the differences (Nice work on the tune too!) ... The UA counterparts are clearly more warm and open, and the UAD plugin seems to be more 'Hi-Fi' .. however they sound fantastic.

  • @cabinfever1386
    @cabinfever1386 Рік тому

    Great job ! Super informative and enjoyed the singing and playing as well. Thank you for posting.

  • @zandewilson
    @zandewilson 6 років тому +5

    Felt strangely emotional as you came in playing Bob Dylan there. Brought it all back to the music

  • @caseyholford
    @caseyholford 8 років тому +2

    It's a great comparison, and very useful for me since I'm considering purchasing an Apollo interface. I want to point out to everyone also though that while this is about as close a comparison as one could make with these channel strips, I don't think it can be the same as using a standalone 610 with a standalone 1176 or LA2A - I know they're the same circuits but there could still be a lot of variation internally the way the preamps are hitting the compressor and the physical settings of the knobs etc. if there were a software model of these specific channel strips I'd be interested to hear that too. Thanks for the nice video.

  • @boomba123able
    @boomba123able 7 років тому +36

    why do you say you cant sing and play? you are good

  • @henrikpetersson2899
    @henrikpetersson2899 9 років тому +5

    Thanks for this! Bigger difference than I had expected. I have to say I much preferred the vocal on the UAD version. Can't say I like the guitar more on one or the other, but they do sound very different from each other. I think I would go with the 610 Mk II here.

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому

      Late to your party but I hoped you got this now. You are being deceived by the volume difference not the fatness of the hardware unit.

  • @billymack4258
    @billymack4258 8 років тому +3

    Analog Wins every time! More of a natural sound. Thanks

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому

      Yes and that is why every time there is a poll to tell which one is which it is always close to 50/50. Show me one that isn't. It is in the difference in volume that everyone is getting side tracked by.One guy commented one time it's the placebo effect!

  • @Mikas_Emil
    @Mikas_Emil 2 роки тому +3

    Hardware 3:37 (vocals 3:45 )
    Digital 4:31 (vocals 4:40 )

  • @bdunn315
    @bdunn315 5 років тому +13

    how can you tell which is which?

  • @scottmcclure4855
    @scottmcclure4855 9 років тому +2

    Both sound good but the hardware imho sounded better and more radio ready on both vocals and guitar. It just had a thicker more well rounded sound than the plug ins.

  • @FusionMediaStudio
    @FusionMediaStudio 7 років тому +3

    Wonderful comparison, plugin is so digital and lifeless vocals are too flat digital sounding but the hardware is thick and natural, nice singing, thank you :)

  • @bncprado
    @bncprado 4 роки тому

    I jumped to the comparison and without knowing which one is the hardware, I felt that the first one sounds more "like a record". The second one is cleaner but not the worst. Nice comparison dude. Cheers

  • @7thday878
    @7thday878 3 роки тому

    Man you just nailed that 60/70s folk! Simon & Garfunkel

  • @blazersaint144
    @blazersaint144 3 роки тому

    acoustic sounds killer through the LA610. Nice job. Nice vocals.Im getting sold on it.

  • @radioreadyrecordingstudios2309
    @radioreadyrecordingstudios2309 6 років тому

    Thanks for sharing. A trained ear can hear the difference. What I suggest people listen to is how the high frequencies sound harsh on digital and there is less “body” in the mid range. Harshness can be fixed with dessers and multiband compression but I find that I have to add more inside the box to get that sweet saturation that analog already provides. I have 610mk2 and Apollo as well and noticed differences also. Not bad! Just different.

  • @robtanico1949
    @robtanico1949 8 років тому +4

    Wow! The boxes are sooooooo much fatter and warmer !

  • @snippletrap
    @snippletrap 8 років тому +6

    I preferred the sound of the UAD emulations. I think the hardware would sound better without being pushed so hard. The saturation is just a bit much, though in general I love the 3D tube sound.

  • @ValterKabas
    @ValterKabas 7 років тому +8

    3:46 - 4:40
    Different takes, different mixing, its true, but anyway...Hardware wins!
    Thanks for the video.

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому +1

      This is UA-cam you can't tell exactly in my experience the Wav files can be totally different. All shootouts that are blindfolded with a voting poll comes very close to 50/50 which means no one can hear the difference.Two exact hardware units will also sound different. Does it have the same mojo, UAD's case yes. In the words of Frank Filipetti "If it sounds like a Pultec, it's a Pultec." Look him up. Check out the Avid videos, you'll learn a lot.

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому

      That being said the hardware is louder than the plugin. Again this is UA-cam. Hardware is always louder in most of these videos done purposely or by chance? I don't know but it alters everyone's thoughts.

    • @mercymourning3853
      @mercymourning3853 4 роки тому

      Amazing how the UA preamp gets rid of that digital harsh frequency on his voice when he pronounces “sss” sounds. Sounds so much better

    • @LUKA-vq3nh
      @LUKA-vq3nh 3 роки тому

      Which was which? First was hardware and second software?

  • @nolatone
    @nolatone 9 років тому +1

    I thought the hardware sounded a bit "woofy" on the guitar, though in a cool way. I'd like to hear what would happen if the level were brought up a little more on the guitar on the UAD version. I think people are overlooking the fact that he set controls identical on hardware and plugs. I suspect if he had dialed up the sounds to taste independently the difference wouldn't be as obvious. The point being what matters is the end result when you dial up a channel for a source and track it. This demo was nice but didn't really show that.

  • @muttertheresala
    @muttertheresala 7 років тому

    Thank you for a short but very helpful and interesting Video, and actually your musical Performance wasn't bad at all

  • @mariaulfah2813
    @mariaulfah2813 6 років тому +1

    Most beautiful chanel strip

  • @ray1ashwin
    @ray1ashwin 8 років тому +2

    usually i prefer hardware but in this comparision the plugins sounded better to my ears,not better but glued together,your vocal n guitar sat well in the mix with those plugins.the hardwares were really full sounding and had more dimensions than the plugins though.

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому

      Yes and no. Hardware does not have more dimension, placebo effect. I only compared the Guitar part. Hardware was thin because the guitar moved relative to the mic on the hardware example. This is why you can't do two separate performances to compare, it doesn't work. Usually 90% of the examples are not level match and are fooling your ears. Usually the two almost sound identical on any well modeled plugins which there are many via Waves, UAD, NI, Slate. Plus this is UA-cam, you really need wav files to compare properly. Now I have listened to the vocal and the two examples are pretty close. No two hardware units will be exact as well.

  • @BigBadWolf..............
    @BigBadWolf.............. 5 років тому

    My humble honest opinion is that the breadth and width of the first take is very organic and the second track is great but more forced when compared with the first. I think without hearing the first track I would be much more impressed with the second.

  • @erickarge1838
    @erickarge1838 Рік тому

    Believe it or not you are doing this backwards… for more color crank the gain selector down (left) and crank the level on the preamp higher to make up for it. You can get great saturation like that.

  • @tovsteh
    @tovsteh 4 роки тому

    Song sounds great, well done!

  • @Markpianist1
    @Markpianist1 7 років тому +3

    First off this is You Tube, need wav files. What I hear, once I match the level, is the vocal performance sounds close on both. On the hardware unit the vocalist is closer making it sound warmer but has moved the Guitar relative to the mic making it sound thinner. Funny opposite on the software version. Moral of the story is you have to use the same performance.
    Usually most of these plugins sound like the hardware with slight differences. Two like hardware units will also have slight differences.
    Problem is most of these tests are not level matched fooling your ears. Protools expert is pretty well matched and does a poll. Anything with a poll always comes close to 50\50. This means no one really hears a difference it's just the placebo effect!

  • @DKStudiosful
    @DKStudiosful 7 років тому +1

    well done. Screw the haters. Keep up the good work.

  • @DirectorsGarage
    @DirectorsGarage 4 роки тому +8

    I'm just catching up and ran across this video. May I ask: Why did you choose the 1176 for vocals and the LA-2A for the guitar? My brain would have it the exact opposite-- The heavier compressor on the guitar and the more gentle compressor on the voice. Just wondering why you chose your approach. Thank You! Cool video!

    • @nathanielweise9932
      @nathanielweise9932 3 роки тому +1

      Punchy vocals and smooth guitar feels like a combination that would create a gentle guitar texture with clear vocals that carry prominence, with tight mid-range. That's been my thought process when I've been in situations where I've done this!

  • @17th_Street_Preacher
    @17th_Street_Preacher 4 роки тому

    night & day .. the first very warm & natural, nice song

  • @alexjaroff449
    @alexjaroff449 7 років тому +3

    Great video!
    I'm going to buy one of this. What do you think is better 6176 or LA610 for vocals, acoustic guitar, guitar combos?
    Thank you!

  • @alexjaroff449
    @alexjaroff449 4 роки тому +2

    Hello!
    Thank you for the video. Could you make a comparison of the la-610 and 6176 compressors on vocals or on an acoustic guitar? With tight settings 6-10 VUmetr. Many people do not know what to choose, you would really help.

  • @MrMemyselfandi415
    @MrMemyselfandi415 4 роки тому +2

    Wow! HUGE DIFFEENCE in my book. #1 is just big...and all of the stuff we love. #2 sounds thinner...deflated...and digital. You might be able to make up for that with the right plugs and stuff....and if you didn't play them back to back no one would know or care....but real gear is where it's at.

    • @johnbach2380
      @johnbach2380 3 роки тому +2

      The first example.. which I assume is the hardware is way muddier. Too much saturation and it seems louder too... not even a volume matched comparison.

  • @paulotonedef
    @paulotonedef 5 років тому

    Your limited skills as a singer and guitarist are perfect for this. We can really hear the gear doing it's work. That is wonderful. The gear is really beautiful.

  • @bluelitestudio
    @bluelitestudio 9 років тому +5

    Hardware sounds more present

  • @giuliocarmassi
    @giuliocarmassi 8 років тому

    thank you so much for this!

  • @Salantsoundstudios
    @Salantsoundstudios 8 років тому +1

    Nice playing and singin man! I own the la610mkii, its my go to for vocals and acoustic

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому +1

      +Josh Salant Thanks! I use it for vocals too now - and the 6176 for guitar. I like the optical compressor best for vocals. So nice and soft.

  • @ryancohenmusic
    @ryancohenmusic 2 роки тому

    Can you explain unison for us beginners ? Thank you amazing video

  • @tomatamiko9865
    @tomatamiko9865 Рік тому

    Hello! Please tell me) How can I connect universal audio 6176 to my Apollo x8p?

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  Рік тому

      Hi. I haven't had this setup for a few years now, so couldn't tell you. But I found the instructions on the net, and it wasn't too difficult. Hoping you figured it out by now.

  • @blacklightning7227
    @blacklightning7227 4 роки тому +1

    in his comment to SlimYellow he finally says the hardware unit is done first!!

  • @DominicHalpin
    @DominicHalpin 3 роки тому

    Great video, showing comparison, I have the 6176 and imn about to get the AU Apollo interface and wanted to know if I should still use the hardware ?, Whats your thoughts now youve had these for a while now

  • @6stringks
    @6stringks 7 років тому

    Hei Are, thanks a lot for your video. Very helpful for me using UAD Apollo but thinking to get some Hardware.
    Very nice capture of the Dylan spirit!! Very nice voice!!!...(maybe a little too fast for my taste) That is not meant as a critic :-)

    • @AnthonyMartinsRock
      @AnthonyMartinsRock 4 роки тому

      Happended to me the same way. My Apollo led to me basically auditioning hardware via the UA plugins then I picked up an LA 610 and then an SSL Six and in the end ironically purchasing a Prism Lyra! Now looking at a satellite to keep using my Tape saturation and Moog plugins that I like.

  • @theUglyManowar
    @theUglyManowar 8 років тому

    Awesome video...
    If I learned anything. I learned that Blue Kiwi will be my next studio mic. Really wonder how it would handle vocals?

  • @CRPTOSANXS
    @CRPTOSANXS 8 років тому

    you actually sound really cool !

  • @Daveglorious
    @Daveglorious 3 роки тому

    Like the second one :)

  • @MisterRorschach90
    @MisterRorschach90 3 роки тому

    You have a very interesting voice

  • @ryanshook8284
    @ryanshook8284 2 роки тому +1

    Where did you get those beautiful wooden racks?

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks! I made them myself. Pine shelving from hardwood store and rack tracks ordered on the net. Then I sanded and washed in walnut colored stain.

    • @ryanshook8284
      @ryanshook8284 2 роки тому

      @@techstuffandmore What!!!!!! They are absolutely gorgeous.

  • @subryn
    @subryn 4 роки тому +1

    hi there, i just purchased a TLM49 - seriously thinking about getting a UA 6176 - how well do you think they blend together ?

    • @Nospoon777
      @Nospoon777 3 роки тому

      I'm sure brilliantly! I just got an 87 and am about to pick one up myself! 😎

  • @Fugue602
    @Fugue602 5 років тому +10

    Who makes the desktop rack you have? looks awesome.

    • @Balverine
      @Balverine 4 роки тому +1

      He made it himself

  • @joeydracorosa
    @joeydracorosa 7 років тому

    you sound great!!

  • @matthewray5343
    @matthewray5343 8 років тому +11

    two different performances with unmatched volume. This is not an accurate shootout

    • @theUglyManowar
      @theUglyManowar 8 років тому +1

      the way he nailed the same personality in both takes gives me the confidence to trust his competence to recreate a fair comparison...
      Reasoning that eeking out a sound yer aiming for but in both case scenarios by the same person otherwise using the same gear and instruments is a valid survey.

    • @theUglyManowar
      @theUglyManowar 8 років тому +1

      +theUglyManowar also he was humble about his singing and performing ability...
      sounded great with an honest voice and personality! Without as much we would never of had a Jimi Hendrix!

    • @TheEngarn
      @TheEngarn 7 років тому +3

      Matthew Ray what you call "unmatched" volume is due to the larger headroom and bigger sound of the analogue gear. Learn a bit first, then you can criticize.

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому

      +Engam You are not correct it is a volume mismatch and the Guitar changed position relative to the mic. Done right there are only minor differences. However no two hardware units sound identical either.
      Anyways, Check out Protools Expert video on the 1176 and 160. Every time there is a video, everyone says the hardware wins. However, when there is a blind poll it comes out almost 50/50. Every friggin time no matter what! Try to find one that doesn't where there is a definite, you can't.
      Again this is UA-cam you need the wav files. Ok take care.

    • @Markpianist1
      @Markpianist1 7 років тому

      @Matthew Ray Yes!

  • @leftissimus5452
    @leftissimus5452 7 років тому

    Thanks for the video. I guess the first recording is with hatdware and the second one with plugins , right ?

  • @golafs
    @golafs 5 років тому +3

    where did u get those wooden rack cases? look nice

    • @MisterRorschach90
      @MisterRorschach90 3 роки тому

      Sweetwater or any other music store that sells pro gear. They are super common in rack mount gear. You can get them looking like almost anything. Furniture, amps, computers, speaker cabinets, etc.

  • @ecedorsay
    @ecedorsay 3 роки тому

    Neve or 610 ? for vox n acoustic. Cant decide.

  • @markbarnes6806
    @markbarnes6806 4 роки тому

    You do an American accent (with your singing) very well!

  • @LegenDarien313
    @LegenDarien313 8 років тому +1

    how do you turn up the monitoring volume of the vocals via the console without effecting the recording level into the daw

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому

      The volume knob on the console does not effect the recording level. I always use headpohones though (to avoid bleed into mic's since I'm in the same room), and put the monitors on mute.

  • @simonerics989
    @simonerics989 7 років тому

    Hi I have a question: I have the apollo 8 and the 6176. My problem is I can not get a signal to the 6176 from my apollo. Is it difficult to make it work? Can you share a tip maybe? would be grateful. Thank you.

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  7 років тому +2

      Hi - it sounds like you have it hooked up wrong. I just followed the
      instructions on the UA website. Just remember that there are two outputs
      and that you need to use the line output on the preamp side (not the
      compressor side). Connect it to line input on your Apollo and that's
      it. Then you just have to make sure the levels are set right.

  • @tomsmiles4949
    @tomsmiles4949 8 років тому

    Hey nice video, just wondering what computer monitor you have ?

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому

      +Tom Smiles Thanks. It's this one: Philips 40" 4K LED BDM4065UC

  • @kimmorken8838
    @kimmorken8838 8 років тому

    Great comparison. where didd you get the wooden desktop racks?

  • @danielnielsen8012
    @danielnielsen8012 8 років тому

    Hei! Kul video :-) selger du fortsatt de wood racksa?

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому

      Takk. Og jepp - det gjør jeg. Ta gjerne kontakt på e-post. are.barstad@norcab.no dersom noen er interessert.

  • @mariaulfah2813
    @mariaulfah2813 6 років тому

    You have best set up for non drumming recording set up

  • @grllkng
    @grllkng 5 років тому

    Nice

  • @bdunn315
    @bdunn315 4 роки тому

    The first one is the hardware I assume?

  • @ThomasJamesArt251
    @ThomasJamesArt251 7 років тому

    can this be hooked up to my computer???

  • @soulmine1970
    @soulmine1970 8 років тому +3

    Hi Are
    Where did you buy the wooden rack cases..?
    Kind regards, Karsten

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому +6

      Hi Karsten - I make them myself. Have delivered a few to people that ask. I make them from 3U to 12U.

    • @soulmine1970
      @soulmine1970 8 років тому

      Hello again... I am very interested, so please write to me if you should find the time for making one. I need just one for my UA6176
      e-mail address: kasonjo@gmail.com
      Kind regards, Karsten

    • @oviedo5554
      @oviedo5554 5 років тому

      I'm interested on thouse wooden racks cases too! I need one to place two 6176 AU
      Sosebastian484@gmail.com

    • @AustinM32
      @AustinM32 5 років тому

      @@techstuffandmore Are you still making them? I would love to purchase one from you, I know its been two years but they are beautiful.

  • @shakazulu5246
    @shakazulu5246 2 роки тому

    Well what a site, nice song ..but what a difference ...first was alive close full, massive...and than plugs...second version would be ok if i didn't hear the first one...

  • @LaCombinaciondelSaborjc
    @LaCombinaciondelSaborjc 3 роки тому

    Disculpe alguien que traduzca este vídeo para entender mejor

  • @amonterrosomusic
    @amonterrosomusic 6 років тому

    Hi Are! How do you keep liking the mk2?

  • @slimyelow
    @slimyelow 8 років тому

    this can't be right. The analog recording sounds way superior, not even close to the AB comparisons on UA's demo videos, where studio veterans can barely hear a difference between vintage gear and the plugins

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому

      +Slim Yelow I could probably have made the digital recording sound better by using different settings . But this was done with the same settings on both sides . For example: If I was to record digital only I would not use unison compressors when recording vocals and guitar simultaneously since the compressors tries to put gain in unwanted sounds - in my particular case. I should have done that for analog too - added compression after recording.
      I am a novice though so I'm sure this could have been done better. But these are the results with the exact same settings, the way I had it set. It could also be that I had too much gain (I have later learned to pay MUCH more attention to headroom) and that the analog devices just handles too much gain that much better. With less gain, the difference might have been more subtle.
      In this case I simply unplugged the mic's from the analog devices and moved them to the Apollo.

    • @ER_aka_RAM
      @ER_aka_RAM 8 років тому

      +Slim Yelow Comparing an end-user's demo to UA's is about as asinine as it gets! There is a helluva lot more happening in the mix on UA's demos vs a 'real-world' comparison. You're not a studio vet, and neither is Are .. so bagging on his A/B is senseless.

  • @blacklightning7227
    @blacklightning7227 4 роки тому

    your voice is better than Bob's believe it or not...

  • @genesisnkaidence8519
    @genesisnkaidence8519 8 років тому

    which one do you prefer sir ?

  • @alexsternwart7057
    @alexsternwart7057 3 роки тому

    Reminds me of Lou Reed

  • @francois936
    @francois936 4 роки тому

    Which is Which?

    • @francois936
      @francois936 4 роки тому

      Ah, you explained from 46s, 1st track is 6176(Vo) + LA610(Gt) , 2nd track is UA Plugin.
      I skipped for early 3mins because I thought it was useless blah blah blah. Sorry.

  • @tristanpolliandersen3524
    @tristanpolliandersen3524 6 років тому

    Er du dansker

  • @slimyelow
    @slimyelow 8 років тому

    the attack on the guitar for instance is totally inconsistent for comparison....you wasted my time!

    • @techstuffandmore
      @techstuffandmore  8 років тому +6

      +Slim Yelow The attack on the LA610 is preset. It's also preset in the LA2A I used for the comparison. According to UA these default values should be the same. How do you mean they are inconsistent? And remember that only you can choose how you use your own time ;)

  • @genesisnkaidence8519
    @genesisnkaidence8519 Рік тому

    Software sounds soft and no emotion… 😢 hardware fulfills this sign with emotion 😊