*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 🎙️ 0:11 - Background of the Guest ⏪ 0:27 - Topic/Presentation to be discussed today ✅ 1:35 - Background of the Presentation 🖥️ 2:04 - "Intertextuality" in the Qur'an 📖 3:52 - Early Muslim Scholarship & Intertextuality 📜 5:08 - Western Scholarship on the Qur'an 💡 6:51 - An Example of the "New Approach" ✍🏻 9:38 - Another Example of the "New Approach" 📝 10:17 - The Christian Adam Story ✝️ 11:08 - The Jewish Adam Story ✡️ 13:01 - The Qur'an's Adam Story ☪️ 15:11 - Extra biblical intertexts? 🔍 17:46 - The theological problem of intertextuality ⚠️ 18:44 - A Muslim approach to intertextuality 🕋 19:39 - A Note/Disclaimer for the Viewers 💬 23:44 - Layout of the Presentation 📋 24:59 - #1: Extra-biblical texts which contain revelation 📔 32:20 - #2: Biblical Texts 📚 39:15 - #3: Coincidental Similarities ⚖️ 57:30 - #4: Legal Interpretations 🔬 1:11:06 - #5: Countering Mythical Notions ❌ 1:22:52 - #6: Texts redacted in the post-islamic period 🕌 1:28:03 - #7: Texts with poor transmission records 🚨 1:35:25 - Summary of the Presentation 🫔 1:38:03 - More on Intertextuality ✨ 1:38:36 - #1: "Carrying the Torah..." 🌟 1:41:12 - #2: "If the oceans were ink...." ✒️ 1:44:37 - #3: Wordplay 📃 1:48:51 - What's more surprising...🕯️ 1:50:54 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up 🏁 SubhanAllah ❤️💛💙 Excellent Presentation 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you all and accept your efforts._ 🤲🏻
Welcome brother may Allah keep you and us on the straight path and gather us to together with his mercy in jannah.just an advice don’t put pressure on yourself and take baby.and seek help from your local mosque and community.am sure they will help you to learn.you have 2 billion brothers and sisters wherever you go in the world.
Post-Hoc Fallacy. Just because B came after A doesn't mean B was plagiarised from A. Christians are adorable. Edit: So I've realised that argument is not provided in this video. And so the reply was more appropriate for a separate party that did make a similar objection. I stand corrected.
Poor counter argument by you. because for that to stand is to assume arabia was geologically isolated from rest of the world and sand box it. Also its a common strawman as we know certain stories such as 7 sleepers are false because it took centuries to come into circulation after supposedly the events happened. Since we know the event was Ahistorical and its in quran then you either 1. prove its historical as its a claim from quran or 2. admit quran was man made take your pick
@@felixfelicis5574Arabia is not isolated doesn’t imply plagiarism unless you assume Islam is false in order to prove Islam is false and thus commit begging the question fallacy As for the sleepers . When did the incident happen ?
@@muhammedshanushan3931 Lets for a moment assume you are not a muslim. Then a guy starts sprouting abridge versions of stories of the time. Its perfectly reasonable to see plagiarism. Occams razor. Between a naturalistic answer vs a miracle. Your prophet was a trader to assume he never met anyone who had accesd to such storied is ridiculous Also since it didn't show up till aroumd 500 ad. It would explain why the story focued on issues of 500-600ad rather then issues im 251ad.
@@felixfelicis5574 Thanks for affirming you are committing begging the question fallacy, you are assuming Islam is false and naturalism is true to show Islam is false and manmade Lol 🧠 Now pls answer the question when was this incident allegedly happened?
1:01:30 Orthographic mistakes in the Quranic verse fragment quoted in the parenthesis: (من أجل ذلك كتبنا على بني إسرائيل) Great episode! Thank you very much
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته I would like to see a video on the claims that Islam copied Zoroastrianism. It’s basically proven that it’s the other way around, so this century old claim is disproven now. Could you invite someone to talk about this?
Muhammad is not a proper name it's a title of Almighty Allah according to Quran surah 11 verse 73 and surah 1 verse 2 All praise belong only Allah SWT not any human being so what is the actual name of prophet Muhammad SAW
Despite the massive evidence of Judeo Christian materials included in the Qur'an, it can not be argued the Qur'an plagiarised because Allah revealed the Qur'an. How do we know Allah revealed the Qur'an, we know because the Qur'an said so.
Thank you for the comprehensive presentation. But I would expect some Egyptology comparisons between Qur'an and other sources. Qur'an clearly and miraculously corrects a lot of errors in this area.
Assalaamu Alaykum Paul. I love your channel and have bought many books because of the fantastic work you are doing. I would like to ask you a contraversal question. Why is nobody discussing the study of Nematics in Quranic translations? You know that each letter of the alphabet has a special meaning. But many Muslim scholars are using root words to translate Quran. I have recently discovered a UA-cam channel by Imam Benjamin Bilal in USA where he explains the symbolic meanings of words in the Quran. It is really fascinating when he explains the symbolic meaning of Adam & Eve in both Bible & Quran, as well crucification of Jesus Christ in the Bible. In his opinion there was no physical person of Jesus Christ. He explains when you study the Bible in Hebrew and Quran in Arabic and use your understanding of Nematics, then the translation is totally different. He also explains this is how Global Elites are manipulating us and controlling our minds because we do not understand the meanings of each letter used in words. This is what Jordan Maxwell also tried to tell us in how the governments and banking systems operate around the world. He emphasized we need to learn the origins of the letters used in words. I hope you will investigate and tell me what you think. I have tried to find books on the study of Nematics, but I cannot find any literature on Amazon. I think Greg Braden wrote a book called The Wisdom Codes, but I have not bought it yet. Shukran Igshaan Safodien
If we are to put the Quran into the Bible , it would be The Final Testament. When we read the bible, Questions because of contradictions and inconsistency of the story in the OT and NT will build up. The Quran/islamic narrative will answer All of those Questions. Thats why i am a muslim.
@@arnoldjackson-q2j Quran is actually hadith. But hadith is not necessarily Quran. Hadith that is not considered Quran is the ones that is not verbatim Word of God. Mathew 26: 39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. If that is authentic, that would be considered a hadith. because its not the word of Jesus pbuh, but the author mathew, narrating the story, quoting Jesus.
@@ridhuan2335 Qur'an is verbatim of God, according to who? Do Tawrah, zabur or injil supports that after NT , a new revelation called Qur'an ,will be given to mankind?. OT clearly says , when Messiah will come , new law will be given, which is present in the form of NT. But no where in NT ,it is written a new law will given,which will replace law of Christ. If Qur'an is word of God,then book of Mormon is also Word of God. Moreover, Not all Muslims believe that Hadith is a guidance to them except Qur'an.
please search more about shia Islam without any prejudiceAbout the day of Qadir (Eid al-qadir) on which the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) appointed imam Ali as his successor and the next Muslims leader About what happened after death of prophet Muhammad that imam Ali was dinied of his divine right and who caused that? about hazrat fatima al-zahra and why she was martyred (not natural death) About Ashura and imam Hussein and the way he was martyred
@@DetailOneLakeland how can you call it a closed argument while it's shia who is fighting Israel ?who is fighting against the tyranny of Zionists and against global arrogance ? what have sunnies done against Israel?are you gonna deny day al Qadir?
Quran Chapter 5, Verse 46: "And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous." Quran Chapter 3, Verse 3: "He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel." Sahih International IF THE QURAN WAS PLAGIARISED, SO WAS THE GOSPEL, NOT TO MENTION THE BIBLE WHICH WE ALL KNOW WAS CONCOCTED AND PARTS OF THE TORAH AND THE INJIL IN IT WERE CORRUPTED.
No, these verses confirm that Bible was revealed by God. See how, 1. Bible ( Tawrah,zabur and injil) is word of God, revealed for the guidance of mankind 2. Bible is not corrupted, for it is word of God. 3. The Qur'an says ,that Jews and Christians corrupted their scriptures by twisting tounges, means they , misinterpreted scriptures and produced many corrupted scriptures, which are not part of Bible like Talmud, Apocrypha, etc 4. Qur'an request it's reader's to refer Bible, to confirm its authenticity. Qur'an can't refer a wrong book to its readers.
@@arnoldjackson-q2j 1.Torah and Injeel are revelations given DIRECTLY to the prophets of God, not to Tom,Dick or Harry. 2. Bible refutes Bible. The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably to be called HOLY scriptures. 3. Which version of Bible is approved by Yahweh or Jesus? The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books) The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books) Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books) The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT) The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books) 4. Quran mentions that the Prophet refers to the knowledgeable person of the scriptures.
@@letmetalk2240 1. Have you read the names of prophets as Tom, Dick and Harry in the Bible. Which Bible you are reading,?,probably Disney version 😂😂 2. What contradiction.? 3. Book of Revelation, says there will be no further additions after it, so 66 th book is last book . 4. That knowledgeable person was a Jew, who was versed in OT, and he confirmed that Qur'an is similar to OT. This means OT was not corrupted by the time of Muhammad ,that's why you had refered a Jew,who was versed accurate OT.
@@arnoldjackson-q2j Your comment: 1. Have you read the names of prophets as Tom, Dick and Harry in the Bible. Which Bible you are reading,?,probably Disney version My response: You need to learn the meaning for the phrase "Tom, Dick or Harry". Your comment: 2. What contradiction.? My response: Was Ahaziah 22 years old (2 Kings 8:26) or 42 years old (2 Chronicles 22:2) when he started his reign? Your comment: 3. Book of Revelation, says there will be no further additions after it, so 66 th book is last book . My response: Well, settle the issue with all the Christian sects. My question was: Which version IS APPROVED by Yahweh or Jesus? So let hear it from any one of the two. Any verse? Your comment: 4. That knowledgeable person was a Jew, who was versed in OT, and he confirmed that Qur'an is similar to OT. This means OT was not corrupted by the time of Muhammad ,that's why you had refered a Jew,who was versed accurate OT. My response: Unfortunately, you are still a nobody. The history of Bible is a messy one. The Christians were under the mercy of the Romans. The Christian scriptures were taken away by force and burned under the order of the Roman Emperor, Diocletian. He was the ruler in 284-305AD. Diocletian issued the decrees that led to the massive persecution which lasted 10 long years. The decrees had four edicts in all. In the first, made in February 303, Diocletian ordered all Christian meetings illegal. Christian places of worship were to be destroyed. Yes, the early Christians lived in a time of great unrest. Do you think your holy scriptures can survived?
@@letmetalk22401. Atleast we have names , tom ,dick and harry . Who wrote the anonymous Qur'an?,, show me a name of single Abdul, who wrote it. 2. Ahaziahs age is not a contradiction, he was 22 ,when started to rule. He can't be 42 , for his father was 40 year old, when he started ruling. So, he can't older than his father. The number 42 in many manuscripts is copyist error, but not all manuscripts show this error. 3. Qur'an says Bible is word of God, what else do you need?. 4. It is a the greatest proof that Bible is word of God that after numerous attacks by Satan and his catholic puppets, it is still surviving with it's original message, just as Bible and Qur'an has stated, " no one can change God's word" or " God's word stands forever"
My question to non-Muslims who claim the Quran plagiarized the Bible and Torah is this: If that were true, then why didn't the Quran replicate the mistakes found in the Bible and Torah? Please answer me.
Why would the prophet plagiarize the Quran and not the hadiths? from where did he plagiarize the Hadith where he said a red person is not superior to a to a black person and a black person is not superior to a red person except in righteousness?
Tittle sounded funny actually.. plagiarism is from best of works.. I don't this the other scripture good enough in current state to plagrize ... and if they were original.. the creator has right to do what he wants to duh!!
Christians still have codes of religious law, especially the ancient traditions. It's called 'canon law' and governs things like marriage, annulments, sacraments, ordination, prohibitions on things like interest, etc.
I agree but the issue is, God didn't say that, what was the need of the Torah if the rabbis could just come up with their own law? Cause that is literally what Christians did
@@letmetalk2240 Paul uses 'law' in different ways. There he means the 'law of sin' (Rom. 7:24-25; Rom. 6:19, 6:22), not the 'law of God' (Rom. 7:25, 1 Cor. 9:21).
@@ConsideringPhlebas by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16). whether you live by the Law of God or not. Paul also states, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
Happy people running around in fitnah - and takind Islamic 'knowledge' from jahil shills instead of the thousands of pious scholars over 1 and a half millenia.
There's no notion of Hellfire/Heaven in the Bible / Dr Bart Ehrman. The very word paradise is Arabic : فيردوس All the Western cults & cultures are from Arabia.
>>>>There's no notion of Hellfire/Heaven in the Bible ========================= Matt 19.24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Rev 20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@Aladin-r8t Why only Bart Ehrman's idea? Christianity is not pioneered by him. If you want to talk about Bible, take it as it is. How can you simply allege the whole Bible is mistranslated when you did not prove anything to the Christian world?
@@Aladin-r8t That belongs to the devil. In the Bible- Matt 4:8 & Luke 4:5 - it says the devil took Jesus to a high mountain where he offered him all the kingdoms of earth.
ahly shiea Wal shieyy wahabi salafi al hempher is start by Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab who learns from his teacher Mr hempher who is a yahudi and shiea 1111,yrs after Hijrah
Non of this addresses copying known legends like 7 sleepers etc. The very instant you have parallels with known forgeries or fables. Its pretty much evidence of plagiarism and not coincidental anymore. Its a major cope
Christians themselves have problems with their versions of Bible. The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books) The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books) Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books) The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT) The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books) Which one is approved by Yahweh or Jesus? Not a single Christian knows the answer. So don't tell us the corrupted books used as STANDARD OF TRUTH is more reliable than the Quran. Christians claim their versions of Bible are DIVINE-INSPIRATION. It does not make sense when there are many versions. For the Catholics, the xtra 7 books are divine inspiration but the Protestants reject the claim. The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
@@letmetalk2240 Lol typical muslim response tu qou que fallacy to deflect topic because they are christians /jew or orientalist(when they don't like what they hear) While i tried engaging with topic of video. You deflect. Its amusing muslim like paul williams appeal to "no design" which is a bayesian inferance. But when you have stories like 7 sleepers which are myths no one can take you seriously. Its not a one off but multiple parralels....
@@felixfelicis5574 Not deflecting but instead pointing out the error in your judgement. It is like you using 1+1+1=1 as the standard of truth to point out 1+1+1=3 is a mistake. Who told you the stories of the 7 sleepers are myths? What is the proof/evidence for the claim? You gave none. Christians could not even decide on which number of books is correct to begin with. So don't talk about what is myth and what is not. For a Muslim, Quran is the ultimate truth.
@@letmetalk2240 it is deflecting first the topic of video is quran. Your first reply changed topic to bible. Your current reply first sentence changed again to trinity but unfortunately for you we know that sunni islam rejects classical logic by having multiple real distinct attributes in a being you would have multiple things with aseity and the being would be composite. Your ghazali had to invent counting by division to try get around this otherwise he would have multiple gods. you have no standards when you deny a christian applying the same logic. But its obvious you are not trained in it because the 1+1+1=1 objection destroys you back when it comes to aseity of necessary existence using classical logic. Also its funny you presuppose that others are christian but even i can call out your lack there of standards. I can change topics too like you such as how sunni ashari/maturidi tawhid accepts occasionalism which cannot solve problem of evil and judgement and muslim are dishonest when they don't reveal aqidah when debating athiest when majority of sunni are ashari/matutidi accepts it or how ibn tammiyah saying allah has a hand without modality breaks law of excluded middle since he rejects it as metaphor and anthropmophism. Its a non cogntive statement. The nominalism of athari makes their their tawhid the lgbt of muslim. Ironic considering paul is a non practicing lgbt and a athari. We all saw the debate jake had with andani. Jake was so desperate ge had to try fake his name and ask other uni professir for help but got called out misrepresenting them in his debate reviews. Then he deleted his clubhouse account and remade it to hide old recordings See i can play the schezophrinic game you were playing too with mass deflection into other topics The seven sleepers never shows up till around early 500ad which makes it quite obvious of forgery Also you then changed back to bible. Effectively you changed topics 3 times
@@felixfelicis5574 >>>it is deflecting first the topic of video is quran. ========================================= To be precise you are claiming that the stories told in the Quran are known forgeries and fables. What is the proof/evidence you use to jump into such conclusion? Corrupted scriptures. You are using scriptures full of errors, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions to judge a PERFECT HOLY BOOK which of course is moot.
Yes, obviously the Quran plagiarizes previous scripture. Anyone who disputes that is just crazy (i.e. please explain why Quran 21 : 105 is a verbatim reproduction of Psalm 37 :29 ?). At the same time, I don't see why this should be a problem for Muslims. Even if the Quran is purely a product of early antique Arabia, that doesn't necessarily bear upon any particular truth claim in the Quran. In other words, Muslims should be willing to distinguish between "the ontology of the Quran" and "meta-theoretical claims ABOUT the ontology of the Quran". One can be false while the other is still true, or vice-versa. For example, if your Grandmother's Samosa recipe is the best you ever tasted; that fact won't change just because you discover that she copied it from another lady. Maybe your opinion of your grandmother would change, but not your opinion of the recipe! Full disclosure: since I'm not a Muslim, my only interest in this debate is the need for consistency. I don't care much for religion per se.
Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will inherit the land / the earth and dwell in it forever." This land / earth refers to either specific land on this earth or this very earth that humanity lived and still lives as you and me. The writings in Psalm showes clearly that it is this earth of full of sufferings as Psalm 37:19 and 37:25 prove that the writings of Psalm is a propaganda writings that do not reflect the reality of the sufferings of the lives of this earth, be it any part of it! For that the writings of Psalm or any of the Bibles like human writings of the so-called the Aḥaadiiṯ (plural of Ḥadiiṯ) of Muslim men's nonfactual narratives who don't know in which earth was Aadam created by Allaah (
It is crazy to use corrupted scriptures to dismiss the claim made by a perfect Book. The Christians themselves could not even agree on one version of Bible approved by Yahweh or Jesus.
It’s not plagiarism. The verse in the psalm is not exactly the same in the Quran and also Allah references the quote in the psalm. The Quranic verse says “And We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous] mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants”
The problem with your argument for Muslims is, it will mean the Qur'an was not divinely created. For the Judeo Christian thinking, your argument can be reconciled as God inspired the authors by pre existing texts. However this is inapplicable to Qur'an, as there is no inspiration but before dictation. Hence science is not applicable to Qur'an. As there is the tiniest possibility, though not within scientific realm of possibility just a small chance of possibility of independent development, the possibility of plagiarism must be rejected. Hence why real scholars do not engage.
@@innocentodinkemere4597 First of all, the Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called the HOLY scriptures. The accuracy of the scriptures is very important because if you don't have an accurate scripture, then you don't have a holy scripture.
Don't be butthurt. Show proof/evidence to substantiate your claim. The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably to be called HOLY scriptures.
@@amm-gj7es We have all answers in one Book 📖, to all our questions. Your book is not complete, that's why, you produced Hadiths to answer the questions, where your incomplete, feeble book is silent 😂😂😂
@@letmetalk2240 Your whole religion is built on hadith. And this narration is muttafaqun 'alayh, agreed upon by Bukhari and Muslim. It's among the strongest hadith you can have. If you reject that, you need to reject practically all hadith.
@@ConsideringPhlebas Unfortunately, Christians logic is 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 which does not work in Islam. How can hadiths (words of men) are higher authority than Quran (the verbatim words of God)? Actually, Christianity is built on hearsay. Bible narratives are 3rd hand account meaning gotten from hearsay. For example; the story of Jesus resurrection contained in Bible is hearsay. There are inconsistencies. Which tomb was used to place Jesus dead body? The Catholics claimed the tomb is at the Church of Sepulchre. While the Protestants claimed it is the Garden Tomb. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No. It is the same God. Consider the Quran part 3 of the 3 abrahamic religions. The Torah the Bible and the Quran in that order. Same God same message. But it is people who have always corrupted and blindly misunderstood the messages of God. In all three books.
There are some things that suggest inaccurate plagiarism. For example, Jesus is called the word of Allah both in the Quran (3/45, 4/171) and hadith (Sahih Muslim 195, 194 a, Sahih al-Bukhari 7440, 4476) This is similar to Christian idea that Jesus is word of God who became flesh (see John 1/1) but this concept is about divine nature of Jesus which goes against the Quran which denies divinity of Jesus So why does the Quran call Jesus word of Allah? The usual explanation is because Jesus is created by word of Allah "be". But there is a problem with explanation. If Jesus is called word of Allah, because he was created by word of Allah "be", then why is Adam not called word of Allah? That verse 3:59 says that Adam is created by word of Allah: "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him FROM DUST, then said to him: "Be". And he was" Adam was created from dust, not Jesus, who was created in the womb of Mary. But for some reason Adam is not called "word of Allah" anywhere. Also, according to the Quran, everything is created by word of Allah: Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is (2:117) Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is! (36:82) So all the universe is made by the word of Allah. So what's the reason that only Jesus is called word of Allah, both in the Quran and hadith? More logical explanation, is that the author of the Quran just heard Christians calling Jesus word of God and borrowed that concept without realizing that this concept means Jesus is a divine figure which goes against Quranic teachings Another example of inaccurate plagiarism "O Zechariah, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be Yahya (John). *We have not assigned to any before [this] name* (Quran 19:7) His mother answered and said, “No; he shall be called John.” But they said to her, *There is no one among your relatives who is called by this name* (Luke 1:60-61) The Quran says that there was no one with the name John/Yahya/Yohanan before, but that's not correct. This name appears many times in the Old Testament: of Nethaniah, and Johanan the son (2 Kings 25/23) of Azgad; Johanan the son (Ezra 8/12) Johanan the son of Kareah (Jeremiah 40/15) The Bible says that there was no one with this name among his mother's relatives which doesn't contradict the fact that some people who are not her relatives had this name before. It looks like the author of the Quran heard this story about birth of John and repeated it incorrectly in the Quran which led to this mistake Another example is that Mary, mother of Jesus, is called sister of Aaron and daughter of Imran (Amram) which suggests that she was confused with Miriam who was actually sister of Aaron and daughter of Amram. In Arabic, both of these women are called "Maryam", which can lead to confusion
The Quran refers to Jesus as the "word of God" (kalimat min Allah) in two verses: 3:39 and 4:171. The exact meaning of this phrase is debated by scholars. One interpretation is that “kalimat min Allah” means “the word from God”. It refers to the divine command that brought Jesus into existence. This interpretation is based on the Quranic verse that says, "O Mary, Allah gives you the good news of a word from Him, whose name is Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary" (3:39). Another interpretation is that the word of God refers to the message that Jesus brought to mankind. This interpretation is based on the Quranic verse that says, "And remember when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter; and one of those brought near (unto Allah)" (3:45). A third interpretation is that the word of God refers to the pious nature of Jesus. This interpretation is based on the Quranic verse that says, "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary and a spirit from Him" (4:171). None of the Muslim scholars take the phrase "word of God" as part of God. However, all of them agree that Jesus is a special and unique figure in Islam. He is a messenger of God, and he brought a message of truth and guidance to the people of his land and in his time. The Quran's references to Jesus as the "word of God" or the "word from God" highlight his special status in Islam. But he himself never claims divinity or asks anyone to worship him as God.
Note that the Gospel's John is taken from the hebrew name Yohanan and not Yahya, which is mentioned in the Quran. The two are not cognates. Yohanan is a compound of Yahweh (Hebrew name of God) and Chanan (shows compassion) as in Arabic حنان meaning God has been gracious. The Quran does not ascribe this name to the son of Zechariah (it might relate the attribute to him in 19:13), and does not claim it to be unique. Yahya is likely a compound of the Hebrew Yahweh and Chaya or Haya (Ya-haya), its meaning akin to God gave life or God caused to exist. The following is from Tafsir Qurtubi: قوله تعالى : بيحيى كان اسمه في الكتاب الأول حيا ، وكان اسم سارة زوجة إبراهيم عليه السلام يسارة ، وتفسيره بالعربية لا تلد ، فلما بشرت بإسحاق قيل لها : سارة ، سماها بذلك جبريل عليه السلام . فقالت : يا إبراهيم لم نقص من اسمي حرف ؟ فقال إبراهيم ذلك لجبريل عليهما السلام . فقال : ( إن ذلك الحرف زيد في اسم ابن لها من أفضل الأنبياء اسمه حي وسمي بيحيى ) . ذكره النقاش . . وقال بعضهم : سمي بذلك لأن الله تعالى أحيا به الناس بالهدى . Allah says: Yahya. In the book his name was first Haya and Abraham's wife's same was Yasara ... When she was given the tidings of Isaac it was said to her Sara and this name was given to her by Gabriel. She asked Abraham why a letter was removed from her name and Abraham asked the same from Gabriel and he said that the letter has been added to the name of her son who is of high stature among the Prophets and his name is Haye and his name has been given Yahya. Naqash has narrated this. وقال قتادة : سمي بيحيى لأن الله تعالى أحياه بالإيمان والنبوة Qatadah said: He was called Yahya because Allah gave life to him with faith and Prophethood وقال مقاتل : اشتق اسمه من اسم الله تعالى حي فسمي يحيى . ... and Muqatil said He was named after the name of Allah: Haye. وقيل : لأنه أحيا به رحم أمه And it is also narrated that he was named so because through him Allah gave life to his mother's womb. Secondly, there are other interpretations\translations of 19:7, which infer that Allah promised Zechariah a son like none that had been born before: abstaining from women, pure from sins, pious, given wisdom and knowledge of the scripture in his childhood, a mercy from Allah, dutiful to his parents, an attestor of Jesus etc. 3:39 , 19:12-13 See Tafsir Qurtubi: . وقال مجاهد وغيره : سميا معناه مثلا ونظيرا ، وهو مثل قوله تعالى : هل تعلم له سميا معناه مثلا ونظيرا كأنه من المساماة والسمو ؛ وهذا فيه بعد ؛ لأنه لا يفضل على إبراهيم ؛ وموسى ؛ اللهم إلا أن يفضل في خاص كالسؤدد والحصر حسب ما تقدم بيانه ( في آل عمران ) . And Mujahid etc. said: سميا means example or likeness. The example of this is the saying of Allah 19:65 هل تعلم له سميا [ Do you know of any similarity to Him? ] the word is derived from المساماة والسمو there is a problem with this in that he didn't have absolute superiority over Abraham or Moses, but it can mean in specific attributes such as abstaining from women etc. as explained in Surah Ale Imaran. وقال ابن عباس أيضا : معناه لم تلد العواقر مثله ولدا . قيل : إن الله تعالى اشترط القبل ، لأنه أراد أن يخلق بعده أفضل منه وهو محمد - صلى الله عليه وسلم Ibn Abbas said that it means that a barren woman has not given birth to a son like him. Some said that Allah put a condition of 'before him' since after him He sent Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h).
@@FirstLast-fr4mx Quranic names of biblical prophets are usually not accurate transliterations of their hebrew names, so that is weak argument. How do you explain the similarity between these verses in the Quran and the Bible? Both of them mention that there were no people with that name, but the Bible makes important pount "among her relatives" which the Quran misses. Is it just coincidence?
@@agncxrxFirst of all Yahya and Yohanan are not the same words I just showed you there are two different words with different meanings. They are not transliterated from one another. Secondly Muslims believe that these texts were from god but corrupted so similarities between them is not something ground breaking. Muslims believe the Quran supersedes the bible and Torah as it the latest uncorrupted word of god. If anything in the bible contradicts the Quran we believe that it’s a falsehood that was written by man and if anything agrees then it’s the true remnants of gods words.
@@FirstLast-fr4mx You missed the point. If Yohanan and Yahya are different names, then why do the Quran and the Bible have similar verses about these names (that no one was named with these names before these people)? It means that it is the same name although pronounced differently Quranic names are not accurate transliteration. For example, Yunus is not the same as Yonah. Isa is not the same as Yeshua. Harun is not the same Aharon. Uzair is not the same as Ezra. So we expect that also Yohanan would appear differently in the Quran from its original version, for example, like "Yahya". Also I didn't hear any info that John had such the second name, Yahya
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction 🎙️
0:11 - Background of the Guest ⏪
0:27 - Topic/Presentation to be discussed today ✅
1:35 - Background of the Presentation 🖥️
2:04 - "Intertextuality" in the Qur'an 📖
3:52 - Early Muslim Scholarship & Intertextuality 📜
5:08 - Western Scholarship on the Qur'an 💡
6:51 - An Example of the "New Approach" ✍🏻
9:38 - Another Example of the "New Approach" 📝
10:17 - The Christian Adam Story ✝️
11:08 - The Jewish Adam Story ✡️
13:01 - The Qur'an's Adam Story ☪️
15:11 - Extra biblical intertexts? 🔍
17:46 - The theological problem of intertextuality ⚠️
18:44 - A Muslim approach to intertextuality 🕋
19:39 - A Note/Disclaimer for the Viewers 💬
23:44 - Layout of the Presentation 📋
24:59 - #1: Extra-biblical texts which contain revelation 📔
32:20 - #2: Biblical Texts 📚
39:15 - #3: Coincidental Similarities ⚖️
57:30 - #4: Legal Interpretations 🔬
1:11:06 - #5: Countering Mythical Notions ❌
1:22:52 - #6: Texts redacted in the post-islamic period 🕌
1:28:03 - #7: Texts with poor transmission records 🚨
1:35:25 - Summary of the Presentation 🫔
1:38:03 - More on Intertextuality ✨
1:38:36 - #1: "Carrying the Torah..." 🌟
1:41:12 - #2: "If the oceans were ink...." ✒️
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1:48:51 - What's more surprising...🕯️
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@@Michael-Archonaeus بارك الله فيك 😊
Each video should have an apparent description/abstraction to make it easier to decide whether it's worth watching, especially the long ones.
Assalamu alaykum Paul I have been watching your videos for almost a year and finally accepted Islam
wa alaikum assalam that's fantastic news! Alhamdulillah!
Subhanallah. Welcome brother to Islam. May Allah protect you and guide us all to Jannatul Firdaus.🙏🙏🙏
Welcome brother may Allah keep you and us on the straight path and gather us to together with his mercy in jannah.just an advice don’t put pressure on yourself and take baby.and seek help from your local mosque and community.am sure they will help you to learn.you have 2 billion brothers and sisters wherever you go in the world.
Alhamdulillah 💌
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This channel is a gold mine. God bless you, brother Paul
Ameen ya Allah 🤲
Brother Paul thank you so much for the channel and your amazing work , may ALLAH bless you
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Alhamdulillah
This channel just keeps getting better!
I can't keep up with all the great videos you post! But I keep coming and listening one of them one by one.
Glad you like them!
Post-Hoc Fallacy. Just because B came after A doesn't mean B was plagiarised from A.
Christians are adorable.
Edit: So I've realised that argument is not provided in this video. And so the reply was more appropriate for a separate party that did make a similar objection. I stand corrected.
Thats not the argument
Poor counter argument by you. because for that to stand is to assume arabia was geologically isolated from rest of the world and sand box it.
Also its a common strawman as we know certain stories such as 7 sleepers are false because it took centuries to come into circulation after supposedly the events happened.
Since we know the event was Ahistorical and its in quran then you either
1. prove its historical as its a claim from quran
or
2. admit quran was man made
take your pick
@@felixfelicis5574Arabia is not isolated doesn’t imply plagiarism unless you assume Islam is false in order to prove Islam is false and thus commit begging the question fallacy
As for the sleepers . When did the incident happen ?
@@muhammedshanushan3931
Lets for a moment assume you are not a muslim.
Then a guy starts sprouting abridge versions of stories of the time. Its perfectly reasonable to see plagiarism.
Occams razor. Between a naturalistic answer vs a miracle. Your prophet was a trader to assume he never met anyone who had accesd to such storied is ridiculous
Also since it didn't show up till aroumd 500 ad. It would explain why the story focued on issues of 500-600ad rather then issues im 251ad.
@@felixfelicis5574 Thanks for affirming you are committing begging the question fallacy, you are assuming Islam is false and naturalism is true to show Islam is false and manmade Lol 🧠
Now pls answer the question when was this incident allegedly happened?
Very academic presentation. Well done everyone!
an amazing video, may allah support you and may he give us all jannah and may he make you among the many backbones of the ummah. Ameen ya rabb.
Thank you for this extremely important presentation and video. God bless you.
1:01:30 Orthographic mistakes in the Quranic verse fragment quoted in the parenthesis:
(من أجل ذلك كتبنا على بني إسرائيل)
Great episode! Thank you very much
❤️ Alhamdulilahi!
Another exceptional video brother, Jazakallahu khayran
As salaam wa alkum Paul I'm wondering if you would accept students? To teach us personally?
wa alaikum assalam
@@BloggingTheologycan you?
@@BloggingTheology I'd happily pay for your time and knowledge
Masha Allah.
سبحان الله
Great video ❤
What do you guys think about the new latin nasheed adoramus te Allah, its slaps hard
That was great brother
Jasakalaha kheyran for this education and knowledgeable to understand more about Quran
Paul do one video about dr. Maurice Bucaille's Qur'an research
Paul, do you have your own biblical exegesis? I'd like to read it
Wasn't ibn Abbas skeptical of muslims doing it, bukhari 7636
How can i communicate with brother soomro
Thankyou sir for this
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
I would like to see a video on the claims that Islam copied Zoroastrianism. It’s basically proven that it’s the other way around, so this century old claim is disproven now. Could you invite someone to talk about this?
'we' have the 'Sirat'. Peace
@@adamsulaiman639 what does that mean?
@@hahdgdgherfhx
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinvat_Bridge
@@hahdgdgherfhx
from Ustaz Wiki : 'Chinvat Bridge'
Muhammad is not a proper name it's a title of Almighty Allah according to Quran surah 11 verse 73 and surah 1 verse 2 All praise belong only Allah SWT not any human being so what is the actual name of prophet Muhammad SAW
Basically
Although it could be argued that it isn't plagiarism to relay more ancient teachings in a single source
Despite the massive evidence of Judeo Christian materials included in the Qur'an, it can not be argued the Qur'an plagiarised because Allah revealed the Qur'an. How do we know Allah revealed the Qur'an, we know because the Qur'an said so.
@@innocentodinkemere4597 😂
@@innocentodinkemere4597 Allah got alot of things wrong
@@tbishop4961 Ha, the Qur'an didn't say He did, 😄
Thank you for the comprehensive presentation. But I would expect some Egyptology comparisons between Qur'an and other sources. Qur'an clearly and miraculously corrects a lot of errors in this area.
Cool vidéo !!
Assalaamu Alaykum Paul. I love your channel and have bought many books because of the fantastic work you are doing. I would like to ask you a contraversal question. Why is nobody discussing the study of Nematics in Quranic translations? You know that each letter of the alphabet has a special meaning. But many Muslim scholars are using root words to translate Quran. I have recently discovered a UA-cam channel by Imam Benjamin Bilal in USA where he explains the symbolic meanings of words in the Quran. It is really fascinating when he explains the symbolic meaning of Adam & Eve in both Bible & Quran, as well crucification of Jesus Christ in the Bible. In his opinion there was no physical person of Jesus Christ. He explains when you study the Bible in Hebrew and Quran in Arabic and use your understanding of Nematics, then the translation is totally different. He also explains this is how Global Elites are manipulating us and controlling our minds because we do not understand the meanings of each letter used in words. This is what Jordan Maxwell also tried to tell us in how the governments and banking systems operate around the world. He emphasized we need to learn the origins of the letters used in words. I hope you will investigate and tell me what you think. I have tried to find books on the study of Nematics, but I cannot find any literature on Amazon. I think Greg Braden wrote a book called The Wisdom Codes, but I have not bought it yet. Shukran Igshaan Safodien
Hassan, you need a better microphone or recording device
If we are to put the Quran into the Bible , it would be The Final Testament.
When we read the bible, Questions because of contradictions and inconsistency of the story in the OT and NT will build up.
The Quran/islamic narrative will answer All of those Questions.
Thats why i am a muslim.
O really, that's why, you produced Hadiths to answer your questions, where Qur'an is silent 😂😂😂
@@SoftwareEngineerCanada
I am a Muslim because Islam is the natural choice.
I am a Muslim because Christianity does not make sense.
@@arnoldjackson-q2j
Quran is actually hadith. But hadith is not necessarily Quran. Hadith that is not considered Quran is the ones that is not verbatim Word of God.
Mathew 26: 39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
If that is authentic, that would be considered a hadith. because its not the word of Jesus pbuh, but the author mathew, narrating the story, quoting Jesus.
@@ridhuan2335 >>>>Quran is actually hadith
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Wrong.
Quran is the verbatim words of Allah SWT while hadiths are not.
@@ridhuan2335 Qur'an is verbatim of God, according to who? Do Tawrah, zabur or injil supports that after NT , a new revelation called Qur'an ,will be given to mankind?.
OT clearly says , when Messiah will come , new law will be given, which is present in the form of NT. But no where in NT ,it is written a new law will given,which will replace law of Christ. If Qur'an is word of God,then book of Mormon is also Word of God. Moreover, Not all Muslims believe that Hadith is a guidance to them except Qur'an.
please search more about shia Islam without any prejudiceAbout the day of Qadir (Eid al-qadir) on which the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) appointed imam Ali as his successor and the next Muslims leader
About what happened after death of prophet Muhammad that imam Ali was dinied of his divine right and who caused that?
about hazrat fatima al-zahra and why she was martyred (not natural death)
About Ashura and imam Hussein and the way he was martyred
Please stop, this is not prejudice. This is a closed argument and has no further need for research.
@@DetailOneLakeland how can you call it a closed argument while it's shia who is fighting Israel ?who is fighting against the tyranny of Zionists and against global arrogance ? what have sunnies done against Israel?are you gonna deny day al Qadir?
Quran Chapter 5, Verse 46:
"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous."
Quran Chapter 3, Verse 3:
"He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel."
Sahih International
IF THE QURAN WAS PLAGIARISED, SO WAS THE GOSPEL, NOT TO MENTION THE BIBLE WHICH WE ALL KNOW WAS CONCOCTED AND PARTS OF THE TORAH AND THE INJIL IN IT WERE CORRUPTED.
No, these verses confirm that Bible was revealed by God. See how,
1. Bible ( Tawrah,zabur and injil) is word of God, revealed for the guidance of mankind
2. Bible is not corrupted, for it is word of God.
3. The Qur'an says ,that Jews and Christians corrupted their scriptures by twisting tounges, means they , misinterpreted scriptures and produced many corrupted scriptures, which are not part of Bible like Talmud, Apocrypha, etc
4. Qur'an request it's reader's to refer Bible, to confirm its authenticity. Qur'an can't refer a wrong book to its readers.
@@arnoldjackson-q2j
1.Torah and Injeel are revelations given DIRECTLY to the prophets of God, not to Tom,Dick or Harry.
2. Bible refutes Bible. The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably to be called HOLY scriptures.
3. Which version of Bible is approved by Yahweh or Jesus?
The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books)
The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books)
Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books)
The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT)
The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books)
4. Quran mentions that the Prophet refers to the knowledgeable person of the scriptures.
@@letmetalk2240 1. Have you read the names of prophets as Tom, Dick and Harry in the Bible. Which Bible you are reading,?,probably Disney version 😂😂
2. What contradiction.?
3. Book of Revelation, says there will be no further additions after it, so 66 th book is last book .
4. That knowledgeable person was a Jew, who was versed in OT, and he confirmed that Qur'an is similar to OT. This means OT was not corrupted by the time of Muhammad ,that's why you had refered a Jew,who was versed accurate OT.
@@arnoldjackson-q2j
Your comment: 1. Have you read the names of prophets as Tom, Dick and Harry in the Bible. Which Bible you are reading,?,probably Disney version
My response: You need to learn the meaning for the phrase "Tom, Dick or Harry".
Your comment: 2. What contradiction.?
My response: Was Ahaziah 22 years old (2 Kings 8:26) or 42 years old (2 Chronicles 22:2) when he started his reign?
Your comment: 3. Book of Revelation, says there will be no further additions after it, so 66 th book is last book .
My response: Well, settle the issue with all the Christian sects. My question was: Which version IS APPROVED by Yahweh or Jesus?
So let hear it from any one of the two. Any verse?
Your comment: 4. That knowledgeable person was a Jew, who was versed in OT, and he confirmed that Qur'an is similar to OT. This means OT was not corrupted by the time of Muhammad ,that's why you had refered a Jew,who was versed accurate OT.
My response: Unfortunately, you are still a nobody.
The history of Bible is a messy one.
The Christians were under the mercy of the Romans.
The Christian scriptures were taken away by force and burned under the order of the Roman Emperor, Diocletian.
He was the ruler in 284-305AD.
Diocletian issued the decrees that led to the massive persecution which lasted 10 long years.
The decrees had four edicts in all.
In the first, made in February 303, Diocletian ordered all Christian meetings illegal.
Christian places of worship were to be destroyed.
Yes, the early Christians lived in a time of great unrest.
Do you think your holy scriptures can survived?
@@letmetalk22401. Atleast we have names , tom ,dick and harry . Who wrote the anonymous Qur'an?,, show me a name of single Abdul, who wrote it.
2. Ahaziahs age is not a contradiction, he was 22 ,when started to rule. He can't be 42 , for his father was 40 year old, when he started ruling. So, he can't older than his father. The number 42 in many manuscripts is copyist error, but not all manuscripts show this error.
3. Qur'an says Bible is word of God, what else do you need?.
4. It is a the greatest proof that Bible is word of God that after numerous attacks by Satan and his catholic puppets, it is still surviving with it's original message, just as Bible and Qur'an has stated, " no one can change God's word" or " God's word stands forever"
My question to non-Muslims who claim the Quran plagiarized the Bible and Torah is this: If that were true, then why didn't the Quran replicate the mistakes found in the Bible and Torah? Please answer me.
Why would the prophet plagiarize the Quran and not the hadiths? from where did he plagiarize the Hadith where he said a red person is not superior to a to a black person and a black person is not superior to a red person except in righteousness?
Tittle sounded funny actually.. plagiarism is from best of works.. I don't this the other scripture good enough in current state to plagrize ... and if they were original.. the creator has right to do what he wants to duh!!
If nothings wrong with asking God for a sign, why didn't God give the Prophet a sign?
Not sure why you asked such question,
No He gave signs, but not signs that wouldn't benefit.
What about the story of Dhul Qarnayn mirroring the Alexander legend? Do you think the Alexander legend came after the Qur'an?
Quran is never wrong.
Alexander didn't even conquer krygzstan which is where yajuj and majuj was at, i believe it is cyrus the great
@@youtubeaccount3230 Quran mentions Dhull Qarnyn not Alexander nor Cyrus.
You should check out the video by farid responds on this topic
@@letmetalk2240And who is this Dhul guy, a myth? Such as Uzzair also?
No, it corrects them.
Im sure many scrolls would have been in the temple before it was destroyed, and these are just rewritten
56:40
Christians still have codes of religious law, especially the ancient traditions. It's called 'canon law' and governs things like marriage, annulments, sacraments, ordination, prohibitions on things like interest, etc.
Paul told you this: “For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.”
I agree but the issue is, God didn't say that, what was the need of the Torah if the rabbis could just come up with their own law? Cause that is literally what Christians did
@@letmetalk2240 Paul uses 'law' in different ways. There he means the 'law of sin' (Rom. 7:24-25; Rom. 6:19, 6:22), not the 'law of God' (Rom. 7:25, 1 Cor. 9:21).
@@youtubeaccount3230
Christian canon law derives from Scripture.
@@ConsideringPhlebas
by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16).
whether you live by the Law of God or not. Paul also states, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
Happy people running around in fitnah - and takind Islamic 'knowledge' from jahil shills instead of the thousands of pious scholars over 1 and a half millenia.
I just started watching and where the heck is Paul
Plagiarize doesn’t mean correct them 😂. That’s what non-muslims miss all the time.
There's no notion of Hellfire/Heaven in the Bible / Dr Bart Ehrman.
The very word paradise is Arabic : فيردوس
All the Western cults & cultures are from Arabia.
>>>>There's no notion of Hellfire/Heaven in the Bible
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Matt 19.24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
Rev 20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@@letmetalk2240 eternal life on earth versus destruction. Prof Bart Ehrman wrote a book about it. The whole Bible is mistranslated.
@@Aladin-r8t
Why only Bart Ehrman's idea?
Christianity is not pioneered by him.
If you want to talk about Bible, take it as it is.
How can you simply allege the whole Bible is mistranslated when you did not prove anything to the Christian world?
@@letmetalk2240 the kingdom of God is on earth...
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That belongs to the devil.
In the Bible- Matt 4:8 & Luke 4:5 - it says the devil took Jesus to a high mountain where he offered him all the kingdoms of earth.
Christians DO NOT equate Adam to Jesus
Mental acrobatics. 2/10.
ahly shiea Wal shieyy wahabi salafi al hempher is start by Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab who learns from his teacher Mr hempher who is a yahudi and shiea 1111,yrs after Hijrah
I will pay You money to debate Sam Shamoun
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Non of this addresses copying known legends like 7 sleepers etc.
The very instant you have parallels with known forgeries or fables. Its pretty much evidence of plagiarism and not coincidental anymore.
Its a major cope
Christians themselves have problems with their versions of Bible.
The Catholic Church (Canon: 73 books)
The Protestant Church (Canon: 66 books)
Greek Orthodox Church (Canon: 77 books)
The Coptic Church(Canon: 29 books in NT)
The Ethiopic Church (Canon: 81 books)
Which one is approved by Yahweh or Jesus? Not a single Christian knows the answer.
So don't tell us the corrupted books used as STANDARD OF TRUTH is more reliable than the Quran.
Christians claim their versions of Bible are DIVINE-INSPIRATION.
It does not make sense when there are many versions.
For the Catholics, the xtra 7 books are divine inspiration but the Protestants reject the claim.
The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called HOLY scriptures.
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Lol typical muslim response tu qou que fallacy to deflect topic because they are christians /jew or orientalist(when they don't like what they hear)
While i tried engaging with topic of video. You deflect.
Its amusing muslim like paul williams appeal to "no design" which is a bayesian inferance. But when you have stories like 7 sleepers which are myths no one can take you seriously. Its not a one off but multiple parralels....
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Not deflecting but instead pointing out the error in your judgement.
It is like you using 1+1+1=1 as the standard of truth to point out 1+1+1=3 is a mistake.
Who told you the stories of the 7 sleepers are myths?
What is the proof/evidence for the claim?
You gave none.
Christians could not even decide on which number of books is correct to begin with.
So don't talk about what is myth and what is not.
For a Muslim, Quran is the ultimate truth.
@@letmetalk2240 it is deflecting first the topic of video is quran.
Your first reply changed topic to bible. Your current reply first sentence changed again to trinity but unfortunately for you we know that sunni islam rejects classical logic by having multiple real distinct attributes in a being you would have multiple things with aseity and the being would be composite. Your ghazali had to invent counting by division to try get around this otherwise he would have multiple gods. you have no standards when you deny a christian applying the same logic. But its obvious you are not trained in it because the 1+1+1=1 objection destroys you back when it comes to aseity of necessary existence using classical logic.
Also its funny you presuppose that others are christian but even i can call out your lack there of standards. I can change topics too like you such as how sunni ashari/maturidi tawhid accepts occasionalism which cannot solve problem of evil and judgement and muslim are dishonest when they don't reveal aqidah when debating athiest when majority of sunni are ashari/matutidi accepts it
or how ibn tammiyah saying allah has a hand without modality breaks law of excluded middle since he rejects it as metaphor and anthropmophism. Its a non cogntive statement. The nominalism of athari makes their their tawhid the lgbt of muslim. Ironic considering paul is a non practicing lgbt and a athari. We all saw the debate jake had with andani. Jake was so desperate ge had to try fake his name and ask other uni professir for help but got called out misrepresenting them in his debate reviews. Then he deleted his clubhouse account and remade it to hide old recordings
See i can play the schezophrinic game you were playing too with mass deflection into other topics
The seven sleepers never shows up till around early 500ad which makes it quite obvious of forgery
Also you then changed back to bible.
Effectively you changed topics 3 times
@@felixfelicis5574 >>>it is deflecting first the topic of video is quran.
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To be precise you are claiming that the stories told in the Quran are known forgeries and fables.
What is the proof/evidence you use to jump into such conclusion?
Corrupted scriptures.
You are using scriptures full of errors, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions to judge a PERFECT HOLY BOOK
which of course is moot.
Plagiarized, Indeed yes. From the old and the new bibles, and still being lost in translation.
Arabic developed no sense of and for humanity.
It is silly to use corrupted scriptures to discredit the perfect Quran.
OT was Plagiarized from Sumerian and Babylonian stories. Your point?
Yes, obviously the Quran plagiarizes previous scripture. Anyone who disputes that is just crazy (i.e. please explain why Quran 21 : 105 is a verbatim reproduction of Psalm 37 :29 ?).
At the same time, I don't see why this should be a problem for Muslims. Even if the Quran is purely a product of early antique Arabia, that doesn't necessarily bear upon any particular truth claim in the Quran. In other words, Muslims should be willing to distinguish between "the ontology of the Quran" and "meta-theoretical claims ABOUT the ontology of the Quran". One can be false while the other is still true, or vice-versa.
For example, if your Grandmother's Samosa recipe is the best you ever tasted; that fact won't change just because you discover that she copied it from another lady. Maybe your opinion of your grandmother would change, but not your opinion of the recipe!
Full disclosure: since I'm not a Muslim, my only interest in this debate is the need for consistency. I don't care much for religion per se.
Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will inherit the land / the earth and dwell in it forever."
This land / earth refers to either specific land on this earth or this very earth that humanity lived and still lives as you and me. The writings in Psalm showes clearly that it is this earth of full of sufferings as Psalm 37:19 and 37:25 prove that the writings of Psalm is a propaganda writings that do not reflect the reality of the sufferings of the lives of this earth, be it any part of it!
For that the writings of Psalm or any of the Bibles like human writings of the so-called the Aḥaadiiṯ (plural of Ḥadiiṯ) of Muslim men's nonfactual narratives who don't know in which earth was Aadam created by Allaah (
It is crazy to use corrupted scriptures to dismiss the claim made by a perfect Book.
The Christians themselves could not even agree on one version of Bible approved by Yahweh or Jesus.
It’s not plagiarism. The verse in the psalm is not exactly the same in the Quran and also Allah references the quote in the psalm. The Quranic verse says “And We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous] mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants”
The problem with your argument for Muslims is, it will mean the Qur'an was not divinely created. For the Judeo Christian thinking, your argument can be reconciled as God inspired the authors by pre existing texts. However this is inapplicable to Qur'an, as there is no inspiration but before dictation. Hence science is not applicable to Qur'an. As there is the tiniest possibility, though not within scientific realm of possibility just a small chance of possibility of independent development, the possibility of plagiarism must be rejected. Hence why real scholars do not engage.
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First of all, the Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably be called the HOLY scriptures.
The accuracy of the scriptures is very important because if you don't have an accurate scripture, then you don't have a holy scripture.
Plagiarised or not,it doesn't contain the truth, not even it is complete.
Don't be butthurt. Show proof/evidence to substantiate your claim.
The Old and the New Testaments contradict each other in so many ways, that they can’t logically, truthfully, honestly, rationally, reasonably to be called HOLY scriptures.
😅😅 you are definitely pissed off with the TRUTH! Go enjoy your falsehoods in the Bible and Torah 😜
It does, unless for those who lack understanding. Please recheck the strength of yours
@@amm-gj7es We have all answers in one Book 📖, to all our questions. Your book is not complete, that's why, you produced Hadiths to answer the questions, where your incomplete, feeble book is silent 😂😂😂
The hadith say that Adam was created in the image of God: Sahih al-Bukhari 6227, Sahih Muslim 2612e.
Hadiths (hearsay) cannot supersede the Quran (the verbatim words of God).
@@letmetalk2240 Your whole religion is built on hadith. And this narration is muttafaqun 'alayh, agreed upon by Bukhari and Muslim. It's among the strongest hadith you can have. If you reject that, you need to reject practically all hadith.
@@ConsideringPhlebas Unfortunately, Christians logic is 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 which does not work in Islam.
How can hadiths (words of men) are higher authority than Quran (the verbatim words of God)?
Actually, Christianity is built on hearsay.
Bible narratives are 3rd hand account meaning gotten from hearsay.
For example; the story of Jesus resurrection contained in Bible is hearsay.
There are inconsistencies.
Which tomb was used to place Jesus dead body?
The Catholics claimed the tomb is at the Church of Sepulchre.
While the Protestants claimed it is the Garden Tomb.
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No. It is the same God. Consider the Quran part 3 of the 3 abrahamic religions. The Torah the Bible and the Quran in that order. Same God same message. But it is people who have always corrupted and blindly misunderstood the messages of God. In all three books.
There are some things that suggest inaccurate plagiarism. For example, Jesus is called the word of Allah both in the Quran (3/45, 4/171) and hadith (Sahih Muslim 195, 194 a, Sahih al-Bukhari 7440, 4476)
This is similar to Christian idea that Jesus is word of God who became flesh (see John 1/1) but this concept is about divine nature of Jesus which goes against the Quran which denies divinity of Jesus
So why does the Quran call Jesus word of Allah? The usual explanation is because Jesus is created by word of Allah "be". But there is a problem with explanation. If Jesus is called word of Allah, because he was created by word of Allah "be", then why is Adam not called word of Allah? That verse 3:59 says that Adam is created by word of Allah:
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him FROM DUST, then said to him: "Be". And he was"
Adam was created from dust, not Jesus, who was created in the womb of Mary. But for some reason Adam is not called "word of Allah" anywhere. Also, according to the Quran, everything is created by word of Allah:
Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is (2:117)
Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is! (36:82)
So all the universe is made by the word of Allah. So what's the reason that only Jesus is called word of Allah, both in the Quran and hadith? More logical explanation, is that the author of the Quran just heard Christians calling Jesus word of God and borrowed that concept without realizing that this concept means Jesus is a divine figure which goes against Quranic teachings
Another example of inaccurate plagiarism
"O Zechariah, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be Yahya (John). *We have not assigned to any before [this] name* (Quran 19:7)
His mother answered and said, “No; he shall be called John.” But they said to her, *There is no one among your relatives who is called by this name* (Luke 1:60-61)
The Quran says that there was no one with the name John/Yahya/Yohanan before, but that's not correct. This name appears many times in the Old Testament:
of Nethaniah, and Johanan the son (2 Kings 25/23)
of Azgad; Johanan the son (Ezra 8/12)
Johanan the son of Kareah (Jeremiah 40/15)
The Bible says that there was no one with this name among his mother's relatives which doesn't contradict the fact that some people who are not her relatives had this name before. It looks like the author of the Quran heard this story about birth of John and repeated it incorrectly in the Quran which led to this mistake
Another example is that Mary, mother of Jesus, is called sister of Aaron and daughter of Imran (Amram) which suggests that she was confused with Miriam who was actually sister of Aaron and daughter of Amram. In Arabic, both of these women are called "Maryam", which can lead to confusion
The Quran refers to Jesus as the "word of God" (kalimat min Allah) in two verses: 3:39 and 4:171. The exact meaning of this phrase is debated by scholars.
One interpretation is that “kalimat min Allah” means “the word from God”. It refers to the divine command that brought Jesus into existence. This interpretation is based on the Quranic verse that says, "O Mary, Allah gives you the good news of a word from Him, whose name is Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary" (3:39).
Another interpretation is that the word of God refers to the message that Jesus brought to mankind. This interpretation is based on the Quranic verse that says, "And remember when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter; and one of those brought near (unto Allah)" (3:45).
A third interpretation is that the word of God refers to the pious nature of Jesus. This interpretation is based on the Quranic verse that says, "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary and a spirit from Him" (4:171).
None of the Muslim scholars take the phrase "word of God" as part of God. However, all of them agree that Jesus is a special and unique figure in Islam. He is a messenger of God, and he brought a message of truth and guidance to the people of his land and in his time.
The Quran's references to Jesus as the "word of God" or the "word from God" highlight his special status in Islam. But he himself never claims divinity or asks anyone to worship him as God.
Note that the Gospel's John is taken from the hebrew name Yohanan and not Yahya, which is mentioned in the Quran.
The two are not cognates.
Yohanan is a compound of Yahweh (Hebrew name of God) and Chanan (shows compassion) as in Arabic حنان meaning God has been gracious. The Quran does not ascribe this name to the son of Zechariah (it might relate the attribute to him in 19:13), and does not claim it to be unique.
Yahya is likely a compound of the Hebrew Yahweh and Chaya or Haya (Ya-haya), its meaning akin to God gave life or God caused to exist. The following is from Tafsir Qurtubi:
قوله تعالى : بيحيى كان اسمه في الكتاب الأول حيا ، وكان اسم سارة زوجة إبراهيم عليه السلام يسارة ، وتفسيره بالعربية لا تلد ، فلما بشرت بإسحاق قيل لها : سارة ، سماها بذلك جبريل عليه السلام . فقالت : يا إبراهيم لم نقص من اسمي حرف ؟ فقال إبراهيم ذلك لجبريل عليهما السلام . فقال : ( إن ذلك الحرف زيد في اسم ابن لها من أفضل الأنبياء اسمه حي وسمي بيحيى ) . ذكره النقاش . . وقال بعضهم : سمي بذلك لأن الله تعالى أحيا به الناس بالهدى .
Allah says: Yahya. In the book his name was first Haya and Abraham's wife's same was Yasara ... When she was given the tidings of Isaac it was said to her Sara and this name was given to her by Gabriel. She asked Abraham why a letter was removed from her name and Abraham asked the same from Gabriel and he said that the letter has been added to the name of her son who is of high stature among the Prophets and his name is Haye and his name has been given Yahya. Naqash has narrated this.
وقال قتادة : سمي بيحيى لأن الله تعالى أحياه بالإيمان والنبوة
Qatadah said: He was called Yahya because Allah gave life to him with faith and Prophethood
وقال مقاتل : اشتق اسمه من اسم الله تعالى حي فسمي يحيى .
... and Muqatil said He was named after the name of Allah: Haye.
وقيل : لأنه أحيا به رحم أمه
And it is also narrated that he was named so because through him Allah gave life to his mother's womb.
Secondly, there are other interpretations\translations of 19:7, which infer that Allah promised Zechariah a son like none that had been born before: abstaining from women, pure from sins, pious, given wisdom and knowledge of the scripture in his childhood, a mercy from Allah, dutiful to his parents, an attestor of Jesus etc. 3:39 , 19:12-13
See Tafsir Qurtubi:
. وقال مجاهد وغيره : سميا معناه مثلا ونظيرا ، وهو مثل قوله تعالى : هل تعلم له سميا معناه مثلا ونظيرا كأنه من المساماة والسمو ؛ وهذا فيه بعد ؛ لأنه لا يفضل على إبراهيم ؛ وموسى ؛ اللهم إلا أن يفضل في خاص كالسؤدد والحصر حسب ما تقدم بيانه ( في آل عمران ) .
And Mujahid etc. said: سميا means example or likeness. The example of this is the saying of Allah 19:65 هل تعلم له سميا [ Do you know of any similarity to Him? ] the word is derived from المساماة والسمو there is a problem with this in that he didn't have absolute superiority over Abraham or Moses, but it can mean in specific attributes such as abstaining from women etc. as explained in Surah Ale Imaran.
وقال ابن عباس أيضا : معناه لم تلد العواقر مثله ولدا . قيل : إن الله تعالى اشترط القبل ، لأنه أراد أن يخلق بعده أفضل منه وهو محمد - صلى الله عليه وسلم
Ibn Abbas said that it means that a barren woman has not given birth to a son like him. Some said that Allah put a condition of 'before him' since after him He sent Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h).
@@FirstLast-fr4mx Quranic names of biblical prophets are usually not accurate transliterations of their hebrew names, so that is weak argument. How do you explain the similarity between these verses in the Quran and the Bible? Both of them mention that there were no people with that name, but the Bible makes important pount "among her relatives" which the Quran misses. Is it just coincidence?
@@agncxrxFirst of all Yahya and Yohanan are not the same words I just showed you there are two different words with different meanings. They are not transliterated from one another.
Secondly Muslims believe that these texts were from god but corrupted so similarities between them is not something ground breaking. Muslims believe the Quran supersedes the bible and Torah as it the latest uncorrupted word of god. If anything in the bible contradicts the Quran we believe that it’s a falsehood that was written by man and if anything agrees then it’s the true remnants of gods words.
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You missed the point. If Yohanan and Yahya are different names, then why do the Quran and the Bible have similar verses about these names (that no one was named with these names before these people)? It means that it is the same name although pronounced differently
Quranic names are not accurate transliteration. For example, Yunus is not the same as Yonah. Isa is not the same as Yeshua. Harun is not the same Aharon. Uzair is not the same as Ezra. So we expect that also Yohanan would appear differently in the Quran from its original version, for example, like "Yahya".
Also I didn't hear any info that John had such the second name, Yahya