Steffi, to me GOAT. SuperMac a superb player, super talented technique, one of the greatest in the game but couldn’t conquer his own demons to go one notch up
If I recall correctly they won a couple matches and then Steffi pulled out (maybe to save her energy for singles...). I remember McEnroe was incensed.....
@davidpeistrup2892 that's correct but there's even more to the story. Mac complained bitterly to Andre Agassi, who was then friends with MacEnroe, about Graf pulling out of the mixed when they had a real shot at the title, but what Mac didn't know was Agassi was secretly dating Steffi Graf at the time ( they kept it secret to avoid the media) so Agassi bit his tongue while Mac went ballistic
Steffi said later that while she had always dreamed of playing with John, it was much too intense, along with her singles commitments. She said she never would have done it again. I mean she retired 3 months later. Her body was finished at top class tennis. On top of that John went on letterman & called her out. Called her a 'blanking blank' Steffi was very private. This was a low blow.
Steffi was an incredible player but not a great person. Her behaviour towards Seles after a Graf fan stabbed her showed her lack of empathy. She was also considered coke and arrogant by other players. Novotna said that unlike someone like Hingis (who she had her own issues with) Graf never once in her life would admit her opponent was better after she lost. I always admired Steffi for her immense skill - perhaps even the GOAT? - but never liked her as a person.
@@gentlemanjim480 everything you just said is just made up nonsense. Steffi was professional and respectful of all her opponents. She was not friends with the other players they were her competition but she was never rude. As for the Monica situation, that was a nightmare for everyone involved. Steffi too. Everything else is nonsense from a selection fan
@@gentlemanjim480 Steffi was lucky that her crazy fan took Monica out. You are right, never have I heard her express real concern about that horrific act.
@@gentlemanjim480BS - Steffi Graf was classy. Lot of sour grapes from other players. Steffi was never in with the WTA brigade and she liked it that way.
@@gentlemanjim480what a load of crap. Steffi visited Seles immediately after the attack. Where were the rest? ie Maggie and ASV? Did you expect Steffi to crawl and kiss Seles’ feet? She spoke in her press cons about the stabbing and denounced it, she dedicated half her US Open speech to the drama Queen and made numerous attempts to contact her but was turned down. What did you expect Steffi do so that your moro.ic brains would be satisfied? Retire? Slash her wrists? Become a nun? Hide? Grovel in front of Seles? What an idiotic and nonsensical comment.
If I was Mac, I would have been happy to be back on the court again in front of a crowd at wimbledon. That was a special moment. He got to feel the spotlight one more time and I'm sure Steffi was truely injured.
I too wish Steffi hadn't withdrawn. I recall that Steffi twinged her back and asked the officials to put off her late doubles match until the next day. They refused and she withdrew. But as a player with back trouble, I know that often if you just play, the back works out. Of course, Steffi had professional advice and, of course, it appeared she would win the singles and the mixed doubles was still a long shot. I think John's disappointment and her back led her to retire just a few weeks after Wimbledon.
I remember Martina was doing a commentary interview with John before the mixed started telling him, if he's playing with Steffi- he better get a back up plan- play the doubles because she has a history of pulling out of doubles/mixed if her singles matches get longer or she feels the slightest twinge- she had done this to Martina before....John laughed it off, then Steffi pulled out of the mixed the next round or the 1 later- she then got to final of women's singles losing to Davenport. ...................... Deleted original and posting again- it seemed like Gunter Parche was replying to the comments.
You have to understand it probably wasn't her making the decision to not play. If she pulled out 15 minutes before the match, that would tell me she intended to play but her leg was not doing well.
@@itsmeforsure5475 and yet, it was well enough to get to the women's final and play 2 tough sets against Davenport....I don't think McEnroe has uttered her name since.
Till today (2023) Steffi Graf is the greatest female tennis player ever. There's not many close. Billie Jean, Martina Navratilova would be rest of top 3 and then Seles and Hingis
Im not sure but i think stef is more comfy on court by herself...im not sure if this was her first time at doubles...i cant remember i do remember seeing it..may be when it happen..highlight of it.
Steffi got beat on the first two points down the line, Mac matured somewhat and showed respect for his partner, but you can tell the Mac of 1982 was steaming inside.
When you know mac's doubles skills and steffi's doubles skills, difference between them is like night and day. I wouldn't agree to play at all. Mac plays for victory every time, singles or doubles. Steffi coudn't do that in doubles. Propably lost doubles 1st or 2 nd round always. Fact.
I remember how much McEnroe was angered by Steffi withdrawing from the mixed. When she asked him to play mixed at the Big W, he agreed, on the proviso that she not default from the mixed tournament, as she had a history of doing in doubles matches. He found out 15 minutes before their last match that she was withdrawing from the mixed doubles event, and not by her personally. He was incensed.
Yes, he was in the Locke room talking to Agassi and calling her all kinds of names cause he was so angry. He didn’t know they’d been dating for a few months at the time. Apparently Agassi never said anything to him
Typical abusive behavior from someone who abused Tatum physically and mentally. Not to mention countless other linesmen and umpires. His disgusting, bullying and abusive nature earned him a disqualification in 1990 at the AO. Deservedly so.
@Max E Although a tremendous champion, Martina had a history of making controversial statements, and once she got criticized, back-pedaling away from them faster than Lance Armstrong. I stand corrected about Steffi withdrawing from many doubles events. I think this comment was actually also attributable to Martina, if memory serves me correctly. I have deleted my incorrect post.
I noticed that the old players never chose what ball to serve, they picked up whatever the ballboys or ballgirls gave the balls to them (these always the new balls anyway). Seems like the today players always selected what ball they're going to serve, is it a b.s gesture, because they are professionals ?
Lol! She wasn’t injured. She lied - she herself changed her story a short time later and claimed the “real reason” was bronchitis - but that she hadn’t wanted to tell anyone that.... yeah.... sure.....
@@datacipher At the 1999 Wimbledon Championships, Graf formed a much-publicized partnership with John McEnroe, with whom she reached the semifinals before withdrawing due to concerns that her uncertain hamstring, coupled with a bout of bronchitis, would affect her in the singles. From Wikipedia.
@@markdecena4559 rofl... you’re seriously quoting Wikipedia? You’re our of your league kiddo. Did it mention how she had a history of doing this and how Mac only agreed to do it if she swore she wouldn’t withdraw with a phantom injury? What happened tot he injury by the way? Does wiki tell you what the atp trainer said? Maybe Wikipedia isn’t adequate to use as argument against people who know what they’re talking about.
+Illya Kuryakin He actually never did the same. When he played with Fleming, there were countless times where he had to play doubles before an important singles match.. but he never pulled out. One reason might be that he simply loved doubles, which might not be quite the same with Steffi ;)
@Illya Kuryakin You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren´t you? I don´t know the exact daytime, but he DID play a tough five setter in doubles just the day before his singles final against Connors in 1984. Also, he played the 1980 doubles semifinal on the same day (!) as his semifinal against Connors! And of course, his 1983 doubles final also took place just the day before the final, like it always did in those days. So I don´t really see the difference, to be honest.
I guess they reached semis with Steffi sitting down on her chair and when she did have to play she used her left hand. She also used one of Navi’s old wooden frames to play. It was all John serving, running, volleying and doing everything. What an enlightening comment you made.
Two great legends of the game
Steffi, to me GOAT. SuperMac a superb player, super talented technique, one of the greatest in the game but couldn’t conquer his own demons to go one notch up
His demons were a significant part of his entertainment value and arguably changed tennis FOREVER!!!
"You CAN'T be SERIOUS!!" 🙂
she is the GOAT, only Serena comes close. But Steffi was more naturally talented.
steffi playing Mixed was a rare occasion i believe. What a legend she is back then , in between and now.
Wow! I never knew McEnroe and Graf played mixed doubles together! That is so cool.
If I recall correctly they won a couple matches and then Steffi pulled out (maybe to save her energy for singles...). I remember McEnroe was incensed.....
@davidpeistrup2892 that's correct but there's even more to the story. Mac complained bitterly to Andre Agassi, who was then friends with MacEnroe, about Graf pulling out of the mixed when they had a real shot at the title, but what Mac didn't know was Agassi was secretly dating Steffi Graf at the time ( they kept it secret to avoid the media) so Agassi bit his tongue while Mac went ballistic
It's so nice to see doubles without that wretched hand-slapping on both sides after every single point.
Damn, Graf and Mac chemistry like two exes playing together. Hardly any high fives
High fives were not known 30 years ago in Germany. It was an American thing.
Andre Agassi saw Steffi... was it love at first sight? I bet it was!!!
Summer, '99.
Glory days!
Mc enroe Graf..wat a lovely combination..
She's playing with a legend, mind you so was John.
Steffi said later that while she had always dreamed of playing with John, it was much too intense, along with her singles commitments.
She said she never would have done it again.
I mean she retired 3 months later.
Her body was finished at top class tennis.
On top of that John went on letterman & called her out. Called her a 'blanking blank'
Steffi was very private. This was a low blow.
Steffi was an incredible player but not a great person. Her behaviour towards Seles after a Graf fan stabbed her showed her lack of empathy. She was also considered coke and arrogant by other players. Novotna said that unlike someone like Hingis (who she had her own issues with) Graf never once in her life would admit her opponent was better after she lost. I always admired Steffi for her immense skill - perhaps even the GOAT? - but never liked her as a person.
@@gentlemanjim480 everything you just said is just made up nonsense. Steffi was professional and respectful of all her opponents. She was not friends with the other players they were her competition but she was never rude. As for the Monica situation, that was a nightmare for everyone involved. Steffi too. Everything else is nonsense from a selection fan
@@gentlemanjim480 Steffi was lucky that her crazy fan took Monica out. You are right, never have I heard her express real concern about that horrific act.
@@gentlemanjim480BS - Steffi Graf was classy. Lot of sour grapes from other players. Steffi was never in with the WTA brigade and she liked it that way.
@@gentlemanjim480what a load of crap. Steffi visited Seles immediately after the attack. Where were the rest? ie Maggie and ASV? Did you expect Steffi to crawl and kiss Seles’ feet? She spoke in her press cons about the stabbing and denounced it, she dedicated half her US Open speech to the drama Queen and made numerous attempts to contact her but was turned down. What did you expect Steffi do so that your moro.ic brains would be satisfied? Retire? Slash her wrists? Become a nun? Hide? Grovel in front of Seles? What an idiotic and nonsensical comment.
Real legends
If I was Mac, I would have been happy to be back on the court again in front of a crowd at wimbledon. That was a special moment. He got to feel the spotlight one more time and I'm sure Steffi was truely injured.
I too wish Steffi hadn't withdrawn. I recall that Steffi twinged her back and asked the officials to put off her late doubles match until the next day. They refused and she withdrew. But as a player with back trouble, I know that often if you just play, the back works out. Of course, Steffi had professional advice and, of course, it appeared she would win the singles and the mixed doubles was still a long shot. I think John's disappointment and her back led her to retire just a few weeks after Wimbledon.
Mac got a little double kiss there at the end with Steffi....nice move Mac...
Had Graf not pulled out of the mixed, Mac would have another major
wewww 2 legend
Wow... just wow
I remember Martina was doing a commentary interview with John before the mixed started telling him, if he's playing with Steffi- he better get a back up plan- play the doubles because she has a history of pulling out of doubles/mixed if her singles matches get longer or she feels the slightest twinge- she had done this to Martina before....John laughed it off, then Steffi pulled out of the mixed the next round or the 1 later- she then got to final of women's singles losing to Davenport. ...................... Deleted original and posting again- it seemed like Gunter Parche was replying to the comments.
Yes I remember that lol. He was absolutely livid when she pulled the rug from under him. He ought to have listened to Martina.
You have to understand it probably wasn't her making the decision to not play. If she pulled out 15 minutes before the match, that would tell me she intended to play but her leg was not doing well.
@@itsmeforsure5475 and yet, it was well enough to get to the women's final and play 2 tough sets against Davenport....I don't think McEnroe has uttered her name since.
Till today (2023) Steffi Graf is the greatest female tennis player ever. There's not many close. Billie Jean, Martina Navratilova would be rest of top 3 and then Seles and Hingis
did they won?
1:00 a real gentleman
Never seen doubles team with hardly any communication.......what was up with that?
Im not sure but i think stef is more comfy on court by herself...im not sure if this was her first time at doubles...i cant remember i do remember seeing it..may be when it happen..highlight of it.
She had made 4 slam finals as a teenager, you silly 🐮!
Steffi got beat on the first two points down the line, Mac matured somewhat and showed respect for his partner, but you can tell the Mac of 1982 was steaming inside.
mac's 2nd shot on both points was a sitter.
4:29 a tökéletes szerva, John McEnroe ellen sokszor a bírók nem jól döntöttek. féltek tőle :) vonalas tökéletes szerva
Interesting Mac and Graf don't do any fives, high or low. Between points feels awkward!
Steffi injury at semifinal against Mirjana Lucic..thats why the semis is done..
When you know mac's doubles skills and steffi's doubles skills, difference between them is like night and day. I wouldn't agree to play at all. Mac plays for victory every time, singles or doubles. Steffi coudn't do that in doubles. Propably lost doubles 1st or 2 nd round always. Fact.
Steffi made 4 doubles slam finals as a teenager!
Who except Hingis made more, you stoopid clown?
I remember how much McEnroe was angered by Steffi withdrawing from the mixed. When she asked him to play mixed at the Big W, he agreed, on the proviso that she not default from the mixed tournament, as she had a history of doing in doubles matches. He found out 15 minutes before their last match that she was withdrawing from the mixed doubles event, and not by her personally. He was incensed.
Yes, he was in the Locke room talking to Agassi and calling her all kinds of names cause he was so angry. He didn’t know they’d been dating for a few months at the time. Apparently Agassi never said anything to him
Typical abusive behavior from someone who abused Tatum physically and mentally. Not to mention countless other linesmen and umpires. His disgusting, bullying and abusive nature earned him a disqualification in 1990 at the AO. Deservedly so.
@Max E Although a tremendous champion, Martina had a history of making controversial statements, and once she got criticized, back-pedaling away from them faster than Lance Armstrong. I stand corrected about Steffi withdrawing from many doubles events. I think this comment was actually also attributable to Martina, if memory serves me correctly. I have deleted my incorrect post.
Tell us more about Steffi‘s history of defaulting from doubles matches, you doomb hater….
As if Mcenroe, if he was playing in the wimbledon final with an already dodgy body, 3 months from retiring wouldn't have done THE SAME DAMN THING
I noticed that the old players never chose what ball to serve, they picked up whatever the ballboys or ballgirls gave the balls to them (these always the new balls anyway). Seems like the today players always selected what ball they're going to serve, is it a b.s gesture, because they are professionals ?
Steffi withdrew and completely screwed Johnny Mac over.
If Steffi wasn't injured in Singles semifinal, she might have played it.
What happened in the semi? And did that affect her final against Davenport?
Lol! She wasn’t injured. She lied - she herself changed her story a short time later and claimed the “real reason” was bronchitis - but that she hadn’t wanted to tell anyone that.... yeah.... sure.....
@@datacipher At the 1999 Wimbledon Championships, Graf formed a much-publicized partnership with John McEnroe, with whom she reached the semifinals before withdrawing due to concerns that her uncertain hamstring, coupled with a bout of bronchitis, would affect her in the singles. From Wikipedia.
@@markdecena4559 rofl... you’re seriously quoting Wikipedia? You’re our of your league kiddo. Did it mention how she had a history of doing this and how Mac only agreed to do it if she swore she wouldn’t withdraw with a phantom injury? What happened tot he injury by the way?
Does wiki tell you what the atp trainer said?
Maybe Wikipedia isn’t adequate to use as argument against people who know what they’re talking about.
@@markdecena4559 ah... I see you’re trolling Graf videos... should have known.... not a tennis fan, a Graf creeper.
As much as I admire Steffi, McEnroe had a right to be annoyed with her.
As much as I like John, he was a jerk and a dick. As much as...blah blah. Steffi is The GOAT, and a humble very decent person, on and off court.
+Illya Kuryakin He actually never did the same. When he played with Fleming, there were countless times where he had to play doubles before an important singles match.. but he never pulled out. One reason might be that he simply loved doubles, which might not be quite the same with Steffi ;)
did he play injured?
@Illya Kuryakin Does it really make that much of a difference if it was regular instead of mixed doubles?
@Illya Kuryakin You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren´t you?
I don´t know the exact daytime, but he DID play a tough five setter in doubles just the day before his singles final against Connors in 1984.
Also, he played the 1980 doubles semifinal on the same day (!) as his semifinal against Connors!
And of course, his 1983 doubles final also took place just the day before the final, like it always did in those days.
So I don´t really see the difference, to be honest.
Strange crowd...laughing oddly an now a warning for papparatzi ism...they were laughing loud an for no reason...weird
No chemistry between Mac & steffi
nonsense
BS.
Steffi was very mediocre at doubles. Not a good choice for McEnroe.
I guess they reached semis with Steffi sitting down on her chair and when she did have to play she used her left hand. She also used one of Navi’s old wooden frames to play. It was all John serving, running, volleying and doing everything. What an enlightening comment you made.
She was a better singles player for sure but she still won Wimbledon doubles (w/sabatini) in 1988. She rarely played doubles to be fair.
Steffi made 4 doubles slam finals as a teenager, you ignorant clown.
Never liked Steffi very much and her withdrawing at the last moment from the mixed Doubles final proved that she was selfish and unprofessional.