Oooh! Nice idea. For some reason i thought you said 580, but 550 is still a good idea. The options for SFFs are severely lacking these days. Every thing is years old, or the RX6400
Yea he compares a super high end laptop cpu with the best dedicated gpu so there is no point to go for an old gpu. With this logic he could go for an even older gpu that is worse than rx 550. rx 6400 is the ''worst'' current amd gpu that amd is selling right now. So it makes sense.
I've been impressed by AMD's Ryzen APUs. My last laptop - an old Lenovo Ideapad - had a Ryzen 2500u and lasted 5 years before I decided to go with an MSI laptop with a 4050 gpu. The thing handled gaming like a champ and was a great workhorse.
I have an AMD laptop too; it's great as it has both an apu and dgpu so when you want to save power you can use the iGPU but for gaming you can switch to dGPU. iGPU + Auto Undervolt + Radeon Chill minmax 40/60 makes for great power savings while still having a stable 60 fps (its an rx 6600m, so not 1440p or anhthing but it is 1080p 144 which is good)
@RandomGaminginHD I remember being sad that my Intel HD 2000 graphics couldn't run Cemu (even though i knew if it did run it would still be unplayable)
The fact that an APU in a mini pc can even run CP2077 at 1080p as well as that is remarkable. They've come a very long way since some of the originals such as the 5800k, let alone the jaguar based 15w tdp APU's in laptops.
@@Syncrotron9001 it probably will still be long. GPU cores at the high end are simply way too big to be packaged with mainstream CPUS The HSA products that exist now are 10s of thousands of dollars because of the techniques needed to design them. A 7800xt and a 7800x won't fit on a package together, besides that, the 780m still hasn't really caught up to higher end discrete gpus from 10 years ago.
@@Hubwood I actually watched it already, checked out your channel, great video's, would love to see more videos of the 780m playing 6 days in Fallujah, state of decay 2 and last of us 2 in 1440p/1080p high settings if possible 😉wink wink
As someone who's been using a laptop with a Ryzen 7 5800H, I'm surprised with how sometimes it's impossible to tell if the laptop has defaulted to using iGPU rather than the dGPU (an RTX 3070), especially in older games, where I only later realise after the gaming session that the 3070 was idle the whole time and the game ran fine on the integrated graphics.
its not impossible to tell if you left colour settings in the drivers at default settings, amd's colour settings look slightly more vibrant because nvidia used to used a small hack to get a few extra frames, they fixed this years ago but didnt change the colour setting they use as default back
@@Agent-ie3uv well, I usually have a performance monitoring program open when testing how a game runs for the first time, and trust me, whilst I still play some older games, most of what I play (WarThunder, Doom: Eternal, SnowRunner) makes very good use of the dGPU, so I wouldn't call it a waste. The lower power usage when using the iGPU and less heat in my room is also a nice benefit.
@@Supcharged what I mean is that new processors with Vega 8 graphics are being fabricated every day. Brand new 7030u chips are being printed right now. Even if the ip blocks are old
I bought the 6400 solely for video out purposes and I am pleasantly surprised at how well it runs older games. Definitely able to run older games at 1400p and current games with upscaling.
Bears repeating - as referenced briefly in the beginning of the video - that the 780M will be noticeably faster if you have better RAM. Devices with LPDDR5x-7500 RAM instead of DDR5-5600, like in some of the absolute top spec mini PCs/handhelds, adds another 15-20% in graphics performance which is quite significant.
Wow - I JUST watched the last version of this video yesterday (680m vs GTX 1630). I wanted a sequel, but i think it's safe to say 780m beats the 1630 based on the last video and these results
Tbh coming from the days of playing BG1 when it first came out. I can happliy lower graphics options to make games run at 60fps on my mini Ryzen PC. Sadly power prices is something a lot of people are having to deal with so mini PCs coming along have been a god send.
I cant wait for the 7940HS or 7840HS with 780M to start coming out to more laptops. Especially with a lower resolution OLED screen that would be perfect.
The 780M suffers due to a RAM bottleneck. It has both much higher memory bandwidth and Infinity Cache. The latest handheld consoles with the 780M use LPDDR5x-7500, which is 34% faster than the DDR5-5600 tested here, and it would be interesting to see how this affects performance.
The problem is the CPU bottleneck. New AMD processors with Infiniti Fabric are actually suffering from too fast RAM, which is a bit of surprise but you can see it
I bought the UM790 Pro back in late July and it's a very nice mini-PC, but I can't get over the lost potential when it comes to memory configuration. The IMC is always stuck at 2:1 and its memory timings settings in the BIOS really hurt its iGPU potential, not to mention the IF that's also set to a very slow speed. I hope they eventually improve BIOS to give us better control over those settings to help people extract more potential from an otherwise awesome mini-PC.
It’s impressive. To bad they didn’t increase performance at the low end. My laptop with 610M performance worse than the previous Vega IGPU. Not that I got it for gaming but still.
The fact that you can get a RX 580 8gb for $60 shipped really limits the appeal of these crippled low end gpus and paying more for a better igpu imo. Powerful pre-RT cards are stupid cheap nowadays and it’s not like you’re going to use RT on. Rx 6400 anyway
These tiny computers are getting pretty insane. I love the idea that I can grab one of those and still play a few games out of the box. If this keeps up and the mini computers start to edge out over my desktop in like 5 years, I might just move to something that small.
So the RX6400 mostly beat the best iGPU, which is not really that surprising. However, what was surprising was just the sheer levels of performance the iGPU was still able to put out, especially considering the small form factor of the mini PC that it was enclosed in. Had the RAM been increased to 32GB DDR5, which would have allowed more memory to be allocated to the iGPU, the results may have been closer still.
ram capacity isnt very relevant on IGPU's..... once they hit the reserved vram cap they spill into shared memory like dgpu's do but without the performance hit of going through the PCIE lanes to fetch data from a much slower memory config, also your not likely to run settings on an APU that demand much more than 6-8gb because they lack the compute performance and pixel throughput to make use of it
I've always wondered what the point of the RX 6400 even is. It only has PCIe x4.0 mode (which, for comparison, is what most PCI to NVME adapters, or PCI to SATA adapters, run at - not full blown GPUs!) and I'm pretty sure it only has a 64 bit memory bus. At its launch price/RRP, it would (in theory) be a good card to upgrade an aging system - but such an aging system will not support PCIe 4.0, and for one of those, an RX 5500 beats even the RX 6500XT, which in turn beats a very crippled RX 6400.
I got a laptop with 7940hs and a 4070, and Optimus barely switches to the 4070 for most games. I can just use the 65w usb-c charger instead of lugging around the huge laptop charger and still play games on the go. It's actually amazing.
I'm waiting for a laptop like the huawei mate 14 to come with there new apu's, super light and extremely powerful for both programming and gaming (i mention that one because it has a screen with 3:2 ratio instead of 16:9)
Thanks for this test. I thought 780m was comparable to maybe gtx1650 as a baseline. That said, I'm using it in handheld mode and at 1050p/1080p on a smaller screen, it really looks and plays quite well
I have almost the identical mini system. I play my entire steam library on it... Elden ring, Fallout 76, Elder scrolls online and even Baldurs Gate 3... some games I can get away with 1080p medium... Some games I put at 720p... Regardless of the settings they look better than the Nintendo switch and millions of people people play that system every hour. I do have a high end gaming laptop reserved and ready for Starfield, but my mini PC is fantastic... Its like the worlds smallest console. I love it!
I'm not sure if RDNA 3.5 will make such a leap that we'll have RTX 3050 level performance from an iGPU. The claims are kinda wild. The 40 CU Strix Halo may be 3060 level though.
im actually waiting for the last few things to build my first pc i wanted to play cyberpunk on my channel and from what i see the specs i got will do fine with high and some ultra settings
My 5800x and 6800xt rig absolutely spoil me, but my little 2500u laptop continues to impress me with how it manages to just chug along with whatever I decide to throw at it.
The 780m.from what I have heard can be overclocked to 3000mhz and given 6-8gb memory (need 32+gb memory fro stability in this setup). Not sure how repeatable the above setup is though.
Yep, I'll just invest on RX6400 than the 8000 series APUs for my mini-itx build. I probably get the other parts like am4 motherboard and ddr4 memory cheaper later on.
Quite impressed with the 780M in GTA V. I remember playing on an overclocked GT 640 a few years ago and the performance was nowhere near those framerates. Integrated graphics have come a long way!
The 780m has newer architecture and run 600ish mhz more (with the same number of CU) and yet it lose to 30w RX6400... to that prove more then any thing that the 780m is memory limited.
Question about the test method. On the Mini PC you used did you go to the BIOS to make the system push it's power draw to the limit, or just run it in default mode? Either way they are still good results when I or my friends get one they'll still need to use FSR at least in Ultra Quality to get to 60FPS in Cyberpunk. I can't wait to see those upcoming APUs with the 40CU iGPU perform.
Hello! I was wondering if you could test Cyberpunk 2.0 performance on old minimum requirements when it drops. That video would be in demand, I tell you.
Hey I also have an i5 12400f system with 32gb 3200mhz(I bought it on release and ddr4 mobos and ram was much more expensive). I was wondering if you will consider upgrading to 13th or 14th gen, or will you wait and do a platform change? 😄
Intel has some bigger iGPUs coming too, so there might be some healthy competition coming before long. ARL is rumored to have 8 Xe cores, which should be substantially faster than what they have now.
Well even 30 fps it is playable for me i have to say. The result is impressive for integrated gpu at least for my eye. With rx 6400 it is even better and good option for intel KF CPU's no point to spend over 1k for rtx4080-90.
I wonder how much margin of error is at play, it seems like PCIe 4 should have higher 0.1% than PCIe 3. If it's not margin of error, I wonder what the cause of the subpar 0.1% in Forza is.
This is not a matter of if the rx6400 can win but how close can the 780m perform compared to the discrete gpu and I say if AMD makes the next desktop APU (8600G/8700G) better than a 780m then we have a winner in the future...
@@TerranigmaQuintet you cant beat value of a free built in gpu with 169$ discrete gpu. a gamer buys 1 or 2 PC, a company. netcafe, offices, banks or business etc buy tens ney hundreds ney thousands of PC's and avoiding paying extra 169$ per PC totals to a lot of money saved. All the while still having decent gpu performance with AMD apus.
odd, 6400 and 780m have the same number of cores, both also run in relatively same power envelopes too not to mention the 780m has rdna3. the differences are staggering
@@Rokabur it still won't explain the 2x difference in some titles, I've seen other videos where there's mostly a 10% gap. Though rdna 3 core for core does seem inferior
I think the Radeon 780m beats out the RX 560 no? Very impressive for integrated graphics. Feels like yesterday when Vega 11 was going head-to-head with the GT 1030!
Rumors about Ryzen 8000 series having 16 RNDA 3.5 compute units makes it a very interesting option in the future. I do hope these powerful APUs will be released as socketable desktop versions (G series), then maybe I can go away from dedicated GPUs (at least until I game at higher resolution and more demanding games). I do also wonder if AMD will drop these low end dedicated GPUs in favor of APUs. So perhaps RX 6000 series will be the final generation with low end dedicated GPUs from AMD.
And Ryzen 9000 would have 24 RDNA 4 cumpute units and so on.... There will always be a better release in the future. The 780M is now the best option you can get for APU gaming. If you need one buy it. But games are gette much mire demanding so there will always be a market for dGPUs.
@@Slyizable I don't think they will be able to have space for 24 CUs unless the whole socket changes lol. I am also being very specific about replacing a dedicated GPU to an integrated GPU for my specific gaming needs as it is now (been so for a while). But yes new games will be more demanding and newer GPUs will probably also be more performant (goes for both dedicated and integrated). Right now AMD hasn't released anything lower than RX 7600 and I don't think they will release a lower tier dedicated GPU like they did for 6000 series. Those dedicated GPUs are what I refer to being replaced by more powerful integrated GPUs. I didn't say there wouldn't be any need for dedicated GPUs.
I just bought a minipc with a 680m, it was horrible, but then found out the manufacturer sent it out in single channel memory configuration, even though they advertised it as a "gaming pc". Waiting to see how it runs in dual channel.
Just for the record... i played AC Oddisey with a 2400g alone. It was rocky, but not to bad. Dunno, i always has played with extremy low hardware :3 Also remember playing DMC 4 with just a Celeron in 2011. Now i put it a rx 6600 waiting for a 5600 to arrive, but it's such an improve to be finally able to play AC with 60 fps or more. If course, lows are a mess, aswell sluttering, but the experience it is much better.
Nice video! I think that in practice the 6400 is more worthwhile because whoever buys/seeks such a video card is on an older platform and many times it's not even 4.0 yet. So a test could be done with a 5600G or 5700G versus the 6400.
RX 6400 is never worth it. It's a waste of money. Save up and buy RX 6600. Also 5600G is the same price as 5600 so no wasting money as opposed to 6400. Most people who would buy these cards will have PCIe 3.0 in their systems leaving performance on the table. Much better to fork out 60$ more and buy something decent.
5600G and 5700G have been tested against the 550, 1030. Wins in some, loses in some. It can reach 560 levels of performance afaik, that's about it. The 6400 even at gen3 is much better than the 550 or 560.
@@krzysztofpaszkiewicz1274 I haver a low profile one in a 1 liter mini pc, and for that, even with pcie 3.0 its by far the best card u can use, of course that is because the options are limited there, all the quadro cards that fit are weaker, and the other option is a 1650 or a 1030 lp.
@@RandomGaminginHD they are definitely hard to come by. I picked one up recently on eBay, but they are a pain in the rear. The regular AMD driver doesn't recognize it and you must use the Dell driver, and you have zero control over the card. I'm piecing together a secondary test system to mess around with it.
Your explanation for the stuttering during Fortnight doesn't make sense. If your wifi is connecting to your home wifi router that is more or less going to be the same as your Ethernet connection unless there is something wrong that affects your wifi. Whatever work they are doing at the local distribution point will effect your entire network regardless of how you are connected to it.
I was expecting the RX 550 instead, some suppliers out there are still selling them brand new.
Ah good point!
Oooh! Nice idea.
For some reason i thought you said 580, but 550 is still a good idea. The options for SFFs are severely lacking these days. Every thing is years old, or the RX6400
Same lol@@theinktician
Yea he compares a super high end laptop cpu with the best dedicated gpu so there is no point to go for an old gpu. With this logic he could go for an even older gpu that is worse than rx 550. rx 6400 is the ''worst'' current amd gpu that amd is selling right now. So it makes sense.
AISURIX RX550 and RX580 ~
I've been impressed by AMD's Ryzen APUs. My last laptop - an old Lenovo Ideapad - had a Ryzen 2500u and lasted 5 years before I decided to go with an MSI laptop with a 4050 gpu. The thing handled gaming like a champ and was a great workhorse.
I bet it did great on battery too
I have an AMD laptop too; it's great as it has both an apu and dgpu so when you want to save power you can use the iGPU but for gaming you can switch to dGPU. iGPU + Auto Undervolt + Radeon Chill minmax 40/60 makes for great power savings while still having a stable 60 fps (its an rx 6600m, so not 1440p or anhthing but it is 1080p 144 which is good)
@@SUPABROS Lenovo Legion?
4050 is not released yet and is even worse then 3050...
@@whyops4050 laptop has already been released and is comparable to 3060 laptop.
I remember the intel hd graphics days (im talking like 4400.) We've come so far.
Same. I tried gaming on hd 2000 before lol
or even worse, intel gma..
@@TitanSKiZlzgma 950 was the best !!!111!1
@RandomGaminginHD I remember being sad that my Intel HD 2000 graphics couldn't run Cemu (even though i knew if it did run it would still be unplayable)
My CPU has hd 4600, ran Minecraft at 60 fps with sodium and Linux.
The fact that an APU in a mini pc can even run CP2077 at 1080p as well as that is remarkable. They've come a very long way since some of the originals such as the 5800k, let alone the jaguar based 15w tdp APU's in laptops.
Is FSR enabled though?he said lowest settings so it probably isn't 1080p
I feel like he usually specifies. Probably native 1080p.
They are starting to put the ram directly on the die, only a matter of time before discrete GPUs are phased out.
@@Syncrotron9001 it probably will still be long. GPU cores at the high end are simply way too big to be packaged with mainstream CPUS
The HSA products that exist now are 10s of thousands of dollars because of the techniques needed to design them.
A 7800xt and a 7800x won't fit on a package together, besides that, the 780m still hasn't really caught up to higher end discrete gpus from 10 years ago.
Testing the 780m in 50 games Was so much fun. Impressive igpu. Absolutely jaw dropping IMHO.
Where's that video?
@@ricosm2856 I did that
@@Hubwood I actually watched it already, checked out your channel, great video's, would love to see more videos of the 780m playing 6 days in Fallujah, state of decay 2 and last of us 2 in 1440p/1080p high settings if possible 😉wink wink
As someone who's been using a laptop with a Ryzen 7 5800H, I'm surprised with how sometimes it's impossible to tell if the laptop has defaulted to using iGPU rather than the dGPU (an RTX 3070), especially in older games, where I only later realise after the gaming session that the 3070 was idle the whole time and the game ran fine on the integrated graphics.
prob,u werent even at ur own laptop,first time user...
its not impossible to tell if you left colour settings in the drivers at default settings, amd's colour settings look slightly more vibrant because nvidia used to used a small hack to get a few extra frames, they fixed this years ago but didnt change the colour setting they use as default back
in short, wasted money for buying unused dgpu
@@Agent-ie3uv well, I usually have a performance monitoring program open when testing how a game runs for the first time, and trust me, whilst I still play some older games, most of what I play (WarThunder, Doom: Eternal, SnowRunner) makes very good use of the dGPU, so I wouldn't call it a waste. The lower power usage when using the iGPU and less heat in my room is also a nice benefit.
Never change that intro bro. Gives me nostalgia
Excited to see you cover fsr3 on older hardware
I still remember when the Vega 8 was as good as you could get. Miss my old 2500u laptop. Really was great for what it was.
The Vega 8 is still being sold right now in brand new processors
@@Tcatracing by "brand new" you mean rebranded.
@@Supcharged what I mean is that new processors with Vega 8 graphics are being fabricated every day. Brand new 7030u chips are being printed right now. Even if the ip blocks are old
I bought the 6400 solely for video out purposes and I am pleasantly surprised at how well it runs older games. Definitely able to run older games at 1400p and current games with upscaling.
the 6400 is a beast it even beats the 4090 if you turn on 108p
Very usable that 780M. Nice!!
Bears repeating - as referenced briefly in the beginning of the video - that the 780M will be noticeably faster if you have better RAM. Devices with LPDDR5x-7500 RAM instead of DDR5-5600, like in some of the absolute top spec mini PCs/handhelds, adds another 15-20% in graphics performance which is quite significant.
Wow - I JUST watched the last version of this video yesterday (680m vs GTX 1630). I wanted a sequel, but i think it's safe to say 780m beats the 1630 based on the last video and these results
Yeah pretty similar to the 1630 but beats it a lot if the time
it should about on par with a mobile 1650 i guess
@@xtr.7662no it is 20% slower
Tbh coming from the days of playing BG1 when it first came out. I can happliy lower graphics options to make games run at 60fps on my mini Ryzen PC. Sadly power prices is something a lot of people are having to deal with so mini PCs coming along have been a god send.
What’s bg1
Baulders Gate 1? Idk I used the search function on the internet
Great video idea
Thanks!
I cant wait for the 7940HS or 7840HS with 780M to start coming out to more laptops. Especially with a lower resolution OLED screen that would be perfect.
The 780M suffers due to a RAM bottleneck. It has both much higher memory bandwidth and Infinity Cache. The latest handheld consoles with the 780M use LPDDR5x-7500, which is 34% faster than the DDR5-5600 tested here, and it would be interesting to see how this affects performance.
The problem is the CPU bottleneck. New AMD processors with Infiniti Fabric are actually suffering from too fast RAM, which is a bit of surprise but you can see it
I knew you would have the exact review I was looking for. 👍🏻
I bought the UM790 Pro back in late July and it's a very nice mini-PC, but I can't get over the lost potential when it comes to memory configuration. The IMC is always stuck at 2:1 and its memory timings settings in the BIOS really hurt its iGPU potential, not to mention the IF that's also set to a very slow speed.
I hope they eventually improve BIOS to give us better control over those settings to help people extract more potential from an otherwise awesome mini-PC.
I'm waiting till next gen apu's reach the desktop market, that is where they would shine with core and memory tweaking
It’s impressive. To bad they didn’t increase performance at the low end. My laptop with 610M performance worse than the previous Vega IGPU. Not that I got it for gaming but still.
this rx 6400 is hard to find here in philippines, specially in 2nd hand market,
Then get the rx580
Intel is falling behind on integrated graphics, while AMD is jumping ahead on integrated graphics.
8:21 Aw, seagulls.
The fact that you can get a RX 580 8gb for $60 shipped really limits the appeal of these crippled low end gpus and paying more for a better igpu imo. Powerful pre-RT cards are stupid cheap nowadays and it’s not like you’re going to use RT on. Rx 6400 anyway
did the minisforum get the 7200mhz ddr5 bios yet? would be interesting to see ddr5 scaling on graphics perfomance , if 7200 sodimms even exist
Good topic, always wanted to know the results....... THANKS !!!
These tiny computers are getting pretty insane. I love the idea that I can grab one of those and still play a few games out of the box.
If this keeps up and the mini computers start to edge out over my desktop in like 5 years, I might just move to something that small.
So the RX6400 mostly beat the best iGPU, which is not really that surprising. However, what was surprising was just the sheer levels of performance the iGPU was still able to put out, especially considering the small form factor of the mini PC that it was enclosed in. Had the RAM been increased to 32GB DDR5, which would have allowed more memory to be allocated to the iGPU, the results may have been closer still.
Thing is, the 789m would benefit from the fastest RAM you can possibly get. LPDDR5x RAM can do 7500MT/as
ram capacity isnt very relevant on IGPU's..... once they hit the reserved vram cap they spill into shared memory like dgpu's do but without the performance hit of going through the PCIE lanes to fetch data from a much slower memory config, also your not likely to run settings on an APU that demand much more than 6-8gb because they lack the compute performance and pixel throughput to make use of it
@@1toncheesebut from other reviews you can see that 16gb is not enough. Don't know how 40gb ir 64gb will work out.
@@Slyizable your comment only exists because I made a typo, I was talking exclusively about the vram allocation thing
I've always wondered what the point of the RX 6400 even is. It only has PCIe x4.0 mode (which, for comparison, is what most PCI to NVME adapters, or PCI to SATA adapters, run at - not full blown GPUs!) and I'm pretty sure it only has a 64 bit memory bus. At its launch price/RRP, it would (in theory) be a good card to upgrade an aging system - but such an aging system will not support PCIe 4.0, and for one of those, an RX 5500 beats even the RX 6500XT, which in turn beats a very crippled RX 6400.
Love this idea of comparing them, you rock
I got a laptop with 7940hs and a 4070, and Optimus barely switches to the 4070 for most games. I can just use the 65w usb-c charger instead of lugging around the huge laptop charger and still play games on the go. It's actually amazing.
I'm waiting for a laptop like the huawei mate 14 to come with there new apu's, super light and extremely powerful for both programming and gaming (i mention that one because it has a screen with 3:2 ratio instead of 16:9)
I just compared 780M with 1650 recently. Thanks for the video.
Bro try FSR 3 in future with Nvidia graphics Card 😎
Lovely new RandomSeagulsInHD video 🎉
Why is the VRAM on Ryzen 9 7940 HS only 4gb ? I believe we can squeez out better performance by alloting a bit more. no ?
I'm really surprised and impressed by the 780M's performance, and in such a small form factor PC too. Nice ;)
Thanks for this test. I thought 780m was comparable to maybe gtx1650 as a baseline. That said, I'm using it in handheld mode and at 1050p/1080p on a smaller screen, it really looks and plays quite well
The RX6400 is the new GT1030
RX 6400 has a lot less power draw and a handsome improvement in FPS
I have almost the identical mini system. I play my entire steam library on it... Elden ring, Fallout 76, Elder scrolls online and even Baldurs Gate 3... some games I can get away with 1080p medium... Some games I put at 720p...
Regardless of the settings they look better than the Nintendo switch and millions of people people play that system every hour.
I do have a high end gaming laptop reserved and ready for Starfield, but my mini PC is fantastic... Its like the worlds smallest console. I love it!
I'm not sure if RDNA 3.5 will make such a leap that we'll have RTX 3050 level performance from an iGPU. The claims are kinda wild.
The 40 CU Strix Halo may be 3060 level though.
This new APUs are great! I'm buying one for a living room PC. Did you test any game with FSR? Can you scale 4k low with FSR 2.0?
Would you make such a video for intel integrated graphics vs intel Arc cheapest card? that would be huge 😀
im actually waiting for the last few things to build my first pc i wanted to play cyberpunk on my channel and from what i see the specs i got will do fine with high and some ultra settings
I’d like to see what the ryzen 7700 can do with onboard graphics!
My 5800x and 6800xt rig absolutely spoil me, but my little 2500u laptop continues to impress me with how it manages to just chug along with whatever I decide to throw at it.
The 780m.from what I have heard can be overclocked to 3000mhz and given 6-8gb memory (need 32+gb memory fro stability in this setup). Not sure how repeatable the above setup is though.
Yep, I'll just invest on RX6400 than the 8000 series APUs for my mini-itx build. I probably get the other parts like am4 motherboard and ddr4 memory cheaper later on.
Quite impressed with the 780M in GTA V. I remember playing on an overclocked GT 640 a few years ago and the performance was nowhere near those framerates. Integrated graphics have come a long way!
Any chance you could get your hands on a laptop that has a r5 7540 in it? I would love to see some benchmarks nstuff.
The 780m has newer architecture and run 600ish mhz more (with the same number of CU) and yet it lose to 30w RX6400... to that prove more then any thing that the 780m is memory limited.
I hope you will be sent a review sample of the 7700XT that was just announced today, so we can get some nice comparisons. :)
I’d love to test one. Hopefully AMD will get in touch!
Question about the test method. On the Mini PC you used did you go to the BIOS to make the system push it's power draw to the limit, or just run it in default mode? Either way they are still good results when I or my friends get one they'll still need to use FSR at least in Ultra Quality to get to 60FPS in Cyberpunk. I can't wait to see those upcoming APUs with the 40CU iGPU perform.
Where do you see 'upcoming APUs with the 40CU iGPU ' You have sources on this?
I’ve been waiting for this video.
It's remarkable how much the gap closes given certain conditions.
Hello! I was wondering if you could test Cyberpunk 2.0 performance on old minimum requirements when it drops. That video would be in demand, I tell you.
A great video idea: Test modern mid range cards(4060 rx 7600 etc) against ue5 games like remnant 2 and immortals of aveum.
Been considering a mini pc for when i move aborad next year
Did you run Rx 6400 with SAM?
Especially important for Forca Horizon.
Yep :)
Is the rx6400 the cheapest GPU with ray tracing?
I wonder if the iGPU of the Ryzen Z1 Extreme from ROG Ally is equal to that Radeon 780M...
TDP on the mini pc?
6400 is basically rdna2 in a card but 780m should outperform it if given enough power to play with
Why was the 780M VRAM so low on RDR2? could that have caused that game to have such a large fps difference?
Hey I also have an i5 12400f system with 32gb 3200mhz(I bought it on release and ddr4 mobos and ram was much more expensive). I was wondering if you will consider upgrading to 13th or 14th gen, or will you wait and do a platform change? 😄
Would be cool to compare modern iGPU vs older top line card
Nice vid. Friends ❤❤❤❤
i hope amd keeps bringing in these amazing APUs. Lets create a future for GPU-less gaming
it'd be incredible, and it would cut at both intel and nvidia's marketshare by the sheer power of AMD CPU's efficiency.
Plus its more power effievient
Plus we all would have to fucking get new gen 999$ cpus for rtx 3060 performance.
As long as thay use a 64bit memory interface shared between the CPU and graphics cores we won't see a performance breakthrough.
Intel has some bigger iGPUs coming too, so there might be some healthy competition coming before long. ARL is rumored to have 8 Xe cores, which should be substantially faster than what they have now.
*It's crazy how well these APUs are getting!*
I wonder if you let the APU enjoy more power, will it beat rx6400?
How about the 780m vs GTX 780-Ti? Or, vs Series-S GPU?
Well even 30 fps it is playable for me i have to say. The result is impressive for integrated gpu at least for my eye. With rx 6400 it is even better and good option for intel KF CPU's no point to spend over 1k for rtx4080-90.
i just can't wait for strix point!
wow, I didn't expect downgrading the PCIe version to affect the RX6400 gpu.
great video idea .
I wonder how much margin of error is at play, it seems like PCIe 4 should have higher 0.1% than PCIe 3. If it's not margin of error, I wonder what the cause of the subpar 0.1% in Forza is.
is there a way to unlock the igpu to use 74W?
Great video.
I'm shocked in both way amd igpu is so strong and rx6400 taking less power the igpu😮 only 30-35w
It's getting good enough for many people.
You know you do some weird crap in your garden when your dog isn't even curious about you staring into a weird brick.
Isnt the z1 extreme bettee than the 780m?
Worse
i like your presentations
vram issue ?
This is not a matter of if the rx6400 can win but how close can the 780m perform compared to the discrete gpu and I say if AMD makes the next desktop APU (8600G/8700G) better than a 780m then we have a winner in the future...
Even then a potential rx 7400 probably would still beat that
@@TerranigmaQuintet you cant beat value of a free built in gpu with 169$ discrete gpu. a gamer buys 1 or 2 PC, a company. netcafe, offices, banks or business etc buy tens ney hundreds ney thousands of PC's and avoiding paying extra 169$ per PC totals to a lot of money saved. All the while still having decent gpu performance with AMD apus.
odd, 6400 and 780m have the same number of cores, both also run in relatively same power envelopes too not to mention the 780m has rdna3. the differences are staggering
Problem this mini-PC is limited to DDR5 5600MT/s while the 780m would more benefit from LPDDR5X 7500MT/s.
@@Rokabur it still won't explain the 2x difference in some titles, I've seen other videos where there's mostly a 10% gap. Though rdna 3 core for core does seem inferior
I think the Radeon 780m beats out the RX 560 no? Very impressive for integrated graphics. Feels like yesterday when Vega 11 was going head-to-head with the GT 1030!
Radeon 780m is better than RX560 and GTX 1050ti. It's close to RX570 lvl
Rumors about Ryzen 8000 series having 16 RNDA 3.5 compute units makes it a very interesting option in the future. I do hope these powerful APUs will be released as socketable desktop versions (G series), then maybe I can go away from dedicated GPUs (at least until I game at higher resolution and more demanding games).
I do also wonder if AMD will drop these low end dedicated GPUs in favor of APUs. So perhaps RX 6000 series will be the final generation with low end dedicated GPUs from AMD.
And Ryzen 9000 would have 24 RDNA 4 cumpute units and so on....
There will always be a better release in the future.
The 780M is now the best option you can get for APU gaming.
If you need one buy it.
But games are gette much mire demanding so there will always be a market for dGPUs.
@@Slyizable I don't think they will be able to have space for 24 CUs unless the whole socket changes lol.
I am also being very specific about replacing a dedicated GPU to an integrated GPU for my specific gaming needs as it is now (been so for a while).
But yes new games will be more demanding and newer GPUs will probably also be more performant (goes for both dedicated and integrated).
Right now AMD hasn't released anything lower than RX 7600 and I don't think they will release a lower tier dedicated GPU like they did for 6000 series.
Those dedicated GPUs are what I refer to being replaced by more powerful integrated GPUs.
I didn't say there wouldn't be any need for dedicated GPUs.
i hope fsr 3 will boost the performance of these low end graphics
Looking through thoose fans you can see that there aren't even pipes on that heatsink, they really weren't concerned about thermals with tbe GPU...
I just bought a minipc with a 680m, it was horrible, but then found out the manufacturer sent it out in single channel memory configuration, even though they advertised it as a "gaming pc". Waiting to see how it runs in dual channel.
Dual Channel gives only few % more FPS
They have to release gpus that use X16 PCI-EXPRESS, not only X8.
Just been playing the Epic freebie Homeworld: Deserts of Karak... man what a gawjus looking game and quite a devious AI too
I would like a comparison with the same CPU through...
Just for the record... i played AC Oddisey with a 2400g alone. It was rocky, but not to bad. Dunno, i always has played with extremy low hardware :3 Also remember playing DMC 4 with just a Celeron in 2011.
Now i put it a rx 6600 waiting for a 5600 to arrive, but it's such an improve to be finally able to play AC with 60 fps or more. If course, lows are a mess, aswell sluttering, but the experience it is much better.
Nice video! I think that in practice the 6400 is more worthwhile because whoever buys/seeks such a video card is on an older platform and many times it's not even 4.0 yet. So a test could be done with a 5600G or 5700G versus the 6400.
RX 6400 is never worth it. It's a waste of money. Save up and buy RX 6600. Also 5600G is the same price as 5600 so no wasting money as opposed to 6400. Most people who would buy these cards will have PCIe 3.0 in their systems leaving performance on the table. Much better to fork out 60$ more and buy something decent.
its a pretty good option in a sff pc like a 4th gen optiplex @@krzysztofpaszkiewicz1274
5600G and 5700G have been tested against the 550, 1030. Wins in some, loses in some. It can reach 560 levels of performance afaik, that's about it. The 6400 even at gen3 is much better than the 550 or 560.
@@krzysztofpaszkiewicz1274 I haver a low profile one in a 1 liter mini pc, and for that, even with pcie 3.0 its by far the best card u can use, of course that is because the options are limited there, all the quadro cards that fit are weaker, and the other option is a 1650 or a 1030 lp.
can msi b450m provdh max can handle ryzen 7 5800x3d?
You look like u lost alot of weight, hats off keeping up with videos and life .
Now I want to see how the RX 6300 compares.
I’ll test as soon as I find one :)
@@RandomGaminginHD they are definitely hard to come by. I picked one up recently on eBay, but they are a pain in the rear. The regular AMD driver doesn't recognize it and you must use the Dell driver, and you have zero control over the card. I'm piecing together a secondary test system to mess around with it.
This is amazing, the iGPU is very close to GTX 1650 territory now.
74% of the 6400 at gen4 across 5 games in this video. 1050 Ti level at best. Not exactly close.
Radeon 780m is better than GTX1050TI and close with performance to RX570
Your explanation for the stuttering during Fortnight doesn't make sense. If your wifi is connecting to your home wifi router that is more or less going to be the same as your Ethernet connection unless there is something wrong that affects your wifi. Whatever work they are doing at the local distribution point will effect your entire network regardless of how you are connected to it.