Which Valor Surge is the BEST in Horizon Forbidden West? (Ranked Tier List)
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- There are A LOT of Valor Surges to choose from in Horizon Forbidden West. 12 were introduced as part of the Forbidden West base game and 6 new Valor Surges were added in the Burning Shores DLC. And they certainly do vary in quality. Some are complete game changes, and some, well... aren't worth the skill points.
In this video, we break down and rank every single Valor Surge in an S-tier ranked list.
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⏰ Video Chapters ⏰
0:00 | Intro
0:42 | Ground Rules
1:09 | Berserk Blast
2:09 | Chain Burst
2:52 | Critical Boost
3:55 | Defy Death
4:44 | Elemental Fury
5:47 | Hunter's Mark
6:37 | Melee Might
7:31 | Override Overdrive
8:31 | Overshield
9:20 | Part Breaker
10:24 | Powershots
11:48 | Radial Blast
12:39 | Ranged Master
13:32 | Stealth Stalker
14:43 | Toughened
15:37 | Trap Mines
16:19 | Trap Specialist
17:20 | Warrior's Vigor
18:16 | Closing
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Which Valor Surge is your favorite (or least favorite)?? Let me know! 👇
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Tier SS: The Valor Surge you actually activate and is not just stititng there, in case you "MIGHT" need it.
Go to allrounder is Defy Death, that things boost Damage on so many things, including Traps, Melee, the Elemental Spear Damage AND can critically hit, unlike Stealth Stalker. The Cleanse effect at the end can be nice and the guranteed Second Chance (unlike with the coils) can prevent a reload, though it ends it early. Oh and you can heal with berries while it´s active, it wlll just not exceed the critical health range. S Tier for everyone using low health.
Chainburst, nothing said, vs group, just King.
For Melee...Melee Might.... one of the most important feature was omitted, knocking down heavy machine with Powerstrike.
For Stealth...Defy Death, same damage bonus, can crit, last a long time and i know how stealth works.
Some notes: Hunter´s Mark works like Powershot, sadly you can´t use a Hbow during it´s duration if you wanna keep it.. Also extra Damage on component revoable.
Powershot can really tune up Boltblasters and Spikes besides preventing critical hits, you can easily mae a build with the Relentless Boltblaster to take out every Machine on VH within itßs 5 Shots,. It works with Drillspike and makes ADv. Explosive Spikes usuable due no ammo cost.
Critical Boost is on of the others, which help with Tear Damage, due Crits also increasing Tear damage + the extra Crit Damage, other is Part Breaker (and Hutner´s Mark 30% crit chance also helps).
Enough for now, Defy Death B Tier...what an atrocitiy...
😅 I'm a huge fan of playing in Low Health! By far one of the most powerful ways to play the game. I just think that you can basically get the same affect as Defy Death through weaves and armor skills and then you can use the Valor Surge for something else like RM.
Good points on the other ones for sure. Definitely missed that about Melee Might. And yeah, powershots is becoming one of my favorites. works awesome with a boltblaster. I haven't used it with a spike thrower yet, but yeah that sounds like an awesome combination
@@chazmatazzgames No you can´t, or only in a very narrow area, like the first sustained burst, which does not push you over the LHR limit, because the whole burst count as 1 attack for healing.. So now we have Stealth Stalker (can´t crit) Part Breaker (duration to short, only weakspots), and Critical Boost (somewhat Hunters Mark / Powershot).
Second Chance is also secondary..and with Outfit/weaves the max chance is only 66% while the VS provides 100% (sadly there are no benefical sideeffects to stack both *sad face* ) , so no, you can´t get it from "outfit and weaves".
And the Cleanse effect at the end is free, just a nice bonus, this you can get for a cost, of using a cleanse potions.
So B Tier is evil ;-)
Rereading, just to make sure, you are aware the 50% bonus damage is not the same as the low health ranged damage bonus? First it applies to more stuff, and you keep the old bonus, which is also in a diffferent multiplier ("passive skills") while the Valor Surges usually follow in the "active" skill part? So it´s "Base Damage x Passive (x1,8 LHR) x Active (x1,5 DefyDeath) x Crit Dmg x Weakspot x Brittle"
I just got this game a few months ago. Your videos are very helpful.
that's awesome! glad you're enjoying the content and hope you're enjoying the game! it's such a great game
Haven't watched the whole vid yet, but had to say that your thumbnail game is great 👌🏾
My favorite VS so far(about 50% through) is toughened
thanks so much! thumbnails are probably the hardest part about youtube, so i really appreciate that! 😅
Powershot is my main, with my sniper stealth playstyle it never feels like i am wasting it, the timing on other range Valor Surges are too short when you’re spending most of the fights evading,running and re-positioning by the time it ends you’re only able to land a few shot, that alone makes it at least A tier but for me is S since it helps with sniping
I’ve used it quite a bit since making this video.. I’d definitely put it up at A-tier now. I never knew what I was missing by not using it before. It’s a really great option
Solid work guys 👌🏼 keep the tier lists coming!
Thanks Ahtano!
I find Overshield to be useful when in the sort of fights that require Aloy to perform specific actions or hit targets other than her enemy. It gives me more ability to risk taking damage in order to get off a shot that sometimes is hard to time or line up exactly. There are at least two of these in Burning Shores that I won’t spoil.
Super good point! I can definitely think of some times (especially in the BS) where that would’ve been useful
I feel like override overdrive should’ve been a projectile valor surge tbh. So you shoot an arrow or throw a bomb or something that overrides a machine, and that machine is affected by the override rather than the valor surge killing your mounts. I honestly wish it worked because the machine master play style is so cool on paper, but so unfun in game. Hope it gets some reworks next game
My two favorite valor surges have been the overshield and stealth stalker. I used to use overshield a bit more, but I’ve practically stuck to using stealth stalker only.
When this game first came out, i thought i was going to use the trip caster a lot more due to how good it was in Zero Dawn, but was woefully disappointed with traps in Forbidden West due to the limitation on how many can be placed. Trip caster mines were my initial placement before engaging a fight in case the robot was stronger than I realized. Now, i just shoot and move, as needed. Rarely, if ever, does the spear come out.
I'm also not a fan of the spear. I hardly ever use it. I think it's more of a "last resort" if I'm really in a bind and don't have the right weapons equipped. I think though that the tripcaster gets more powerful later in the game. I didn't use it much either originally, but once you get to the Burning Shores, and get more legendary tripcasters, they become pretty useful again. Stealth Stalker is a good overall valor surge though. Definitely useful if you like more of that trapper/stealth playstyle!
What’s your opinion about melee combat in an anticipated H3 release? Should the spear still have some relevance in combat the way ranged weapons are, or should it be relegated to ONLY critical and silent strikes?
I’m not a huge fan of the melee combat in HFW so I’m definitely hoping they make some big improvements in H3. I’m sure they will. But also Horizon just isn’t same combat style as something like God of War or Ghosts of Tsushima. So I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t drastically different than it is now. So I think it’ll be relevant and improved in H3, but I still think ranged combat will be the primary combat style. That said, I’d love it if they added a shield/parry option
Honestly, i was GENUINELY surprised that there wasn’t ANYTHING like that when HFW came out! The only way to defend yourself is to DODGE!? What happened to this 5th generation of humans that the “5 D’s of dodgeball” were favored over blocking!? Clearly in the melee pits, people are using wooden shields, or clashing weapons to avoid an attack!
The melee system needs a SIGNIFICANT overhaul for the next game, to be sure. Nothing for that kind of combat ever really felt right, until silent and critical strikes happened.
Great tierlist by the way, I almost completely agree with all of this. Defy death in B seems a bit harsh and imo stealth stalker is pretty weak (as much as I love it) but great video nonetheless 👍
Hah, out of all of the rankings, Defy Death at a B is the one I've gotten pushback about the most! Maybe I should rethink it!
I'd disagree on toughen I'd put in the B tier at least
I need to know more! What do you like about it??
@chazmatazzgames it usually at getting out of sticky situations, and I that it refills health every 2 seconds
I’m gonna disagree with toughened, personally, this valor surge has saved my ass loads of times and I think it deserves a higher ranking.
I remember seeing this video and decided to watch it after I finished my NG+ Ultra Hard playthrough. I just finished it not too long before watching and I have my own opinions about the Valor Surges. I really didn't need them. I rarely used them because I was constantly using the best weapons and armor in the game which was usually enough. I don't have the Burning Shores DLC so I can't say anything about that (sucks it's ps5 exclusive), however just using Sun Scourge with fost coils to freeze even the biggest machines in 3-5 hits then following up with Brawlbreaker loaded with impact coils using Sustained Fire could easily take down a Slaughterspine and Specter Prime. As for melee just using Oseram Artificer with Critical Strike +2 and Melee Damage +2 coils could wipe away massive groups of humans with ease. I'm not saying the surges are useless, but to me they became obsolete once I got better at the game. It's nice seeing others experianced opinions on them, and I appreciated seeing what you thought about them.
Edit: More of an update, but I finally got a PS5 and the first thing I did was get Horizon on there and get the DLC, and at the time of wrighting this yet again I completed it on NG+ Ultra Hard, and got all the trophies to top it off. Again, just having good ammo management and making sure to use the right weapon for the right job did the trick, and the only time I used a valor surge was at the end when I used up every bit of healing in the final fight and needed just a bit more edge, which Defy Death paid off. Just like before, using valor surges aren't a necesity for casually playing, but they can help in tough spots. DLC was great tho, enjoyed every bit of it.
I think Critical Boost and Chainburst are my favorites. Like to use shredders alot and the surges arent always very tailored for them, but chainburst works really well. While critical boost isnt perfect i think its the most decent for a shredder against individual machines. Has good duration and relatively cheap and also boosts tear. And something that is not stated in the game but happens pretty consistently with CriticalBoost is that it causes knockdowns on enemies, even on shots that arent against the legs and with weapons that otherwise have weak or no KD power (e.g elemental shredders). Also great on my crit-coiled sharpshot and boltblaster, great damage for the high flexibility.
Part-breaker is fun on a hunter bow. would be perfect on a shredder if it wasnt for the short duration that disfavors a bit since the cycling takes more time than being quick with a bow.
Ranged Master is S-tier for sure, but has a major downside for me since i mostly play on Low Health and the healing from hits works against it.
Warriors Vigor is really strong. Warrior bows are quick firing and you get impressive critical damage often. Use rain of spark to procc burning and coil with burning damage +
This is one I really need to play around with more. I can definitely see where that could be a pretty powerful combo
I think warrior’s vigor is underrated here… I use the rain of sparks warrior bow and stack a lot of crit hit coils on it and let me tell you. This valor activated plus that’s weapon will melt just about anything. Far faster than any other weapon. It’s my all round favourite weapon to keep that sustain pressure on enemies too….
I mean ranged master is nice and all but I believe this one is more of an early to mid game type of valor surge. Once your start getting weapons like Iriv’s Downfall it’s already super powerful on its own without the surge. Where as warriors vigor in my eyes is basically that high dmg dealer plus health regen. If you play your cards right you get that same invincible feeling as you do with over shield. (And I like it even more because the face paint is much better than the others in my opinion 🤣🤣🤣)
Critical Boost with Sharpshot bows is S tier.
Radial burst ended up being my go to just because it doesnt have the risk of activating it and getting tossed around by machines for a chunk of the duration of the valor surge. It is underwhelming though... Never messed with the defensive ones, might have to give one of those a try.
Toughened is the best of all, with Toughened you can fight for ever
I really like the one that makes you invisible sorta I can get into the rebel camps or out post without getting seens
Then I could throw a rock and silent strike them
17:48 those whiffs 😅
🤣 warrior bows aren't my specialty
@@chazmatazzgames i had to turn on motion controls for Ultra Hard. Decrease the vertical sens and is better than no aim assist.
Thanks for the vid. I enjoy sneaking into rebel camps, hiding near large groups of rebels then using radial blast to take them all out at once :)
Despite over 300 hours of Forbidden West I've still not used some of the other valour surges!
I'm pretty much the same way.. I have my couple favorites and tend to stick with those ones. This video definitely helped me branch out a bit. And I need to test that with radial blast! i can see that being a pretty effective way to clear out a camp for sure.
maaan i want the dlc so badly but i play on ps4 😭 dont have a ps5
“Warriors aren’t typically best used for pure damage”
I’m sorry, I must disagree. I’ve taken out Apex machines, all the boss level machines mind you, with just warrior bows (on ultra hard). They can be a damage dealing behemoth with the right coils and techniques.
you're totally right. a crit build in particular with a warrior bow can be really powerful. But Warrior Bows are probably my least used weapon type.. I need to play around with them a lot more.
@@chazmatazzgames And they’re so cheap. I guess the big caveat is that you need the purple to legendary level warrior bows and coils to really see how insanely strong they can be. Meaning that you need to take them to their extremes to make them more reliable as high damage weapons.
Wtf, critical boost B tier?
If you put 3 coils 15% critical hit chance combined with this valor, you simply get all critical hits, for me it's the best.
Valor surge suckes they are useless they should've keep it like zero dawn and bring all the weapons and coils from zero dawn to forbidden west