Dragonball GT can't happen in the same timeline as Dragonball Super for several reasons. Broly, Beast Gohan, Black Frieza, Super Saiyan God, Ultra Instinct, Grand Zeno. They're never talked about or brought up a single time, and if GT did happen after Super nobody would ever be able to sense how strong Goku, Vegeta or Uub are since people with God Ki can only be sensed by other people with God Ki. Omega Shenron threatens to destroy the universe and for some reason Goku and Vegeta don't get Beerus to stop him even though that's in character because they call Zeno to kill Zamasu for them. So GT can't come after Super, and if the argument is that just because Goku is physically older in GT than he is in Super, you have to rely on powerscaling to prove that being older actually makes you stronger. Future Gohan was a grown man and was absolute fodder and gets one shot by people Teen Gohan could kill with a glare.
I literally show an actual timeline of Dragonball History, showing that Super takes places before the end of Z and GT is after the end of Z...yet you're the second person to say that "GT can't come after Super"...What does the timeline say?😂😂
@@thetrueprotag_ I had to use a reverse image search to find out where that timeline even came from. It's from an expo held in 2017 at J-World Tokyo. So the timelime you showed was made by some random person at shonen jump to appease tourists. It was just a promotional event for a theme park and has about as much validity as fanart or a movie pamphlet. So that timeline you keep showing means nothing, as it was never made by anybody who has any authority on Dragonball, and even if somehow Toriyama himself approved it you would have to prove he gave the greenlight to this random mural made for a limited time event at a theme park 7 years ago.
@@Godzillagamr999 imgur.com/gallery/dragon-ball-animes-timelines-Ic7sNXs give this link a scroll...the source I used for images of the timeline. So "Akira Toriyama's World of Dragon Ball Exhibition booklet" has shows GT after the events of Z and someone at TOEI confirms that its also the official sequal. If Toriyama says it's not canon, why would he include it on a timeline in his book, that shows GT's events starting at the end of Z?
It's crazy that people try to say GT isn't canon yet there it is, right on the canon official timeline. They can fix the plotholes with dragonball wishes.
Yea, I hope they do. As you can see on the timeline, Dragonball Super in the green bar on top of the red bar, Dragonball Z. All Super is, based on the timeline is the events that happend, before the end of Z. AAAANDDD This is an old timeline. Dragonball Daima is apparently canon as well, which takes place within the Super timeline!!!😂😂
@@thetrueprotag_ We getting plotholes within a plothole now! lol. I loved GT btw, It's actually my favorite series in DB. Reminded me of OG DB especially the pacing. Was more adventure based which was awesome in my opinion. We need some side stories for OG DB and something in between DBZ and GT.
@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol the pacing for GT is what held it back in my opinion. The Super 17 arc also had some flaws. Toei needs to redo that assignment 😂😂 Despite that, and focusing on what I enjoyed about GT, it was still great.
If you allow me to, I can explain thoroughly to you as to why Cabba is actually a lot weaker than people think. This is not about SSJ4 love, or GT vs Super.. This is about pure facts shown in the dragonball super anime. Hollar at me if you want to have the convo. Even on discord or I can try to explain it with a long wall of text lol. It will give you the ammo you need to actually combat their logic.
@@mkchable I appreciate this. Though I must say I’m not really trying to combat their logic, because I know he is not. I am interested in what you have to say. @thetrueprotag_ on discord
@@bitviper3430 “Bro actually thinks GT is cannon” Did you listen to what I was saying the video 😂? Though regarding if it’s cannon or not, thanks to the comment section, I have come across some conflicting information. Depending on what it find may possibly prove that it is, or it’s just up to the individual to decide 🤔
@@thetrueprotag_it’s just doesn’t make sense for Gt to be in the same timeline as Super. Look at SS4 gogeta’s clothes his vest is orange and black. Now look at Gogeta Blue’s clothes. Yellow and black. GT is cannon to the movies but not the anime as a whole. Look at Fusion Reborn Gogeta. He has an orange and black vest. We now 100000% that fusion reborn Gogeta is not canon because Toriyama said that the Broly movie was the introduction of Gogeta into the cannon. GT can’t be canon to the movie and the main anime at the same time. They also didn’t just randomly decide to change the color either. Because Vegito in Z and Vegito in Goku Black arc wear the same clothes. Plus why wouldn’t Goku use SSG, SSB, or TUI in GT? If you say it was because he was a kid then why didn’t Goku say something about not being able to use god ki anymore and instead insists he’s just as strong as before? Anyway. GT is a side story with its own timeline separated from everything else except DB, DBZ, and the movies.
@@zaiah1215 Naaaah, this is why I even mentioned the WHOLE timeline of Dragonball. The events of GT takes place about 10years* after Super. Goku and vegeta are stronger, which means an even stronger fusion. 🤷🏾♂️ And on top of that, considering even the end of Z, Goku is stronger in the fight with Uub. A Goku that is stronger without God Ki. Which is how I realized that Cabba would not only lose to SS4 Gogeta, but he also lose to both end of Z Goku and Kid Uub.
@@thetrueprotag_ Short version: GT is stated to be a “side story”, similar to the pre super movies, by Akira himself. Furthermore, Akira didn’t write GT and did not establish GT as being a part of the main continuity (DB, DBZ, DBS mangas). And to add in to this, GT doesn’t connect to DBS story wise either. No ui or ue? No Gods or angels? No broly? The list goes on. To act as if GT connects to the main continuity that Cabba is from, in order to scale ssj4 over Cabba, no matter who you think wins the fight, is disingenuous. GT is NOT canon. Long version: GT is stated by Akira to be a “grand SIDE story of the original Dragon Ball”. This is a quote from 2005. Not only was GT not written by Akira, it was also deemed as a SIDE STORY. Similar to the pre super movies. SIDE STORIES that are NOT CANON. Super and GT do NOT connect. One is canon + had more of a hand from Akira. And the other, not so much. Furthermore, even in the story, GT doesn’t connect with super at all. No mention of anything from Super in GT. No sign of ui or ue or any of the upper transformations from supper. All we get is Z transformations and ssj4. No mention of VERY IMPORTANT CHARACTERS like beerus, whis, etc. Anything you can think of, GT isn’t connected with. Story wise and canonically wise. I mean, Goku at the start of GT was being compared to Buu and Ultimate Gohan and the likes. If GT was truly connected, then Goku would be compared to FAR STRONGER characters. That may sound unfair due to GT being made way before, but too bad. When you try to connect two series to make a point, you have to establish canonicity and story connectivity. GT has neither with super. It may have a little story connectivity with the end of Z, but, it is still not a part of the main continuity that end of Z is in. Face it. GT IS NOT CANON OR CONNECTED TO SUPER IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
@@zaiah1215 Did you take time to look at the timeline? How about when I said “hypothetical canonical timeline” or “…GT is not canon” in the video? You’re right about some things. However, even if we scaled the GT characters, as a side story, they would still either match or be stronger than MOST of the characters in DBS, this means the that “MOST” excludes angels, a few G.O.D’s, possibly Jiren and G.O.D. Toppo, and the strongest characters in the manga after the TOP and Super Hero, but includes, the all the known mortal characters in U6 and other universes. And a mistake on my part on not including the video scaling how strong SS4 Goku actually is, I’ll drop it in the description. I mentioned some of it in the video, but side story or not. Cabba can not even handle SS4 Goku or Vegeta separately, and you think he can beat them fused together??? Also DBS is the green part of the red timeline, which is the Dragonball Z timeline. End of Z characters are the same characters who experienced the events of DBS (and Daima, since that from what I’ve learn is also canon, taking place within the Super continuity), which are stronger characters, so by what you’re saying, both End of Z Goku and Kid Uub can beat SS4 Gogeta as well?
@@thetrueprotag_ A hypothetical canonical timeline is a senseless point to the argument because it’s not real. It’s a hypothetical. It HAS to be hypothetical because again, GT doesn’t connect to the main continuity in any way shape or form. Meaning, any connections such as “the events of GT takes place about 10years after super” are illogical because the two entities cannot be connected. Also, No bro. GT characters as a whole do not scale relatively to DBS characters. Let alone be clearly stronger than “most”. A small amount of GT characters scale to BoG Goku. Many characters in DBS would stomp BoG Goku at this point. Including Cabba, since he’s equal to base vegeta, who’d also stomp BoG Goku. So, Cabba can hold his own against someone who can stomp a version of Goku that’s more powerful than ss4 Goku. Meaning, Cabba stomps ss4 Goku. Which means he’d also stomp ssj4 Vegeta. “What about fusion?” Well, Gogeta would most likely beat BASE Cabba. But, if you add ssj or ssj2, depending on if you’re using the manga or anime, then I’m sorry but I just don’t see gogeta winning. And yea, if DBS continues to be canon within the main continuity, then it only makes logical sense that End of Z Goku (who’s stated to be “the strongest in the universe”) and Kid Uub would be able to beat ssj4 Gogeta as well. If they truly follow up from the end of DBS, then that means that they scale relatively above a good amount of DBS at that point. Putting them way above ssj4 gogeta at that point. In short, DBS far out scales GT. It’s not even close. GT may outscale DBS in some hypothetical canonical timeline, but that’s all it will be, hypothetical. It is not a real timeline that’s usable for a real argument. Ssj4 gogeta beats base cabba. Ssj4 gogeta may or may not beat a ssj Cabba. Ssj4 gogeta doesn’t beat ssj2 Cabba. And the most important part of all of this? It’s funny to say a scrawny guy beats up an absolute tank from an unliked series (rightfully so imo). #suckitGT
Thank you sir. People really dont get the difference.
Super Scaling is Stupid
GT Scaling is BROKEN
Dragonball GT can't happen in the same timeline as Dragonball Super for several reasons. Broly, Beast Gohan, Black Frieza, Super Saiyan God, Ultra Instinct, Grand Zeno. They're never talked about or brought up a single time, and if GT did happen after Super nobody would ever be able to sense how strong Goku, Vegeta or Uub are since people with God Ki can only be sensed by other people with God Ki. Omega Shenron threatens to destroy the universe and for some reason Goku and Vegeta don't get Beerus to stop him even though that's in character because they call Zeno to kill Zamasu for them.
So GT can't come after Super, and if the argument is that just because Goku is physically older in GT than he is in Super, you have to rely on powerscaling to prove that being older actually makes you stronger. Future Gohan was a grown man and was absolute fodder and gets one shot by people Teen Gohan could kill with a glare.
I literally show an actual timeline of Dragonball History, showing that Super takes places before the end of Z and GT is after the end of Z...yet you're the second person to say that "GT can't come after Super"...What does the timeline say?😂😂
@@thetrueprotag_ I had to use a reverse image search to find out where that timeline even came from. It's from an expo held in 2017 at J-World Tokyo. So the timelime you showed was made by some random person at shonen jump to appease tourists. It was just a promotional event for a theme park and has about as much validity as fanart or a movie pamphlet.
So that timeline you keep showing means nothing, as it was never made by anybody who has any authority on Dragonball, and even if somehow Toriyama himself approved it you would have to prove he gave the greenlight to this random mural made for a limited time event at a theme park 7 years ago.
@@Godzillagamr999 imgur.com/gallery/dragon-ball-animes-timelines-Ic7sNXs give this link a scroll...the source I used for images of the timeline. So "Akira Toriyama's World of Dragon Ball Exhibition booklet" has shows GT after the events of Z and someone at TOEI confirms that its also the official sequal. If Toriyama says it's not canon, why would he include it on a timeline in his book, that shows GT's events starting at the end of Z?
It's crazy that people try to say GT isn't canon yet there it is, right on the canon official timeline. They can fix the plotholes with dragonball wishes.
Yea, I hope they do. As you can see on the timeline, Dragonball Super in the green bar on top of the red bar, Dragonball Z. All Super is, based on the timeline is the events that happend, before the end of Z. AAAANDDD This is an old timeline. Dragonball Daima is apparently canon as well, which takes place within the Super timeline!!!😂😂
@@thetrueprotag_ We getting plotholes within a plothole now! lol. I loved GT btw, It's actually my favorite series in DB. Reminded me of OG DB especially the pacing. Was more adventure based which was awesome in my opinion.
We need some side stories for OG DB and something in between DBZ and GT.
@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol the pacing for GT is what held it back in my opinion. The Super 17 arc also had some flaws. Toei needs to redo that assignment 😂😂
Despite that, and focusing on what I enjoyed about GT, it was still great.
@@thetrueprotag_ Yeah once people got used to the DBZ pacing it was really hard to go back!
If you allow me to, I can explain thoroughly to you as to why Cabba is actually a lot weaker than people think. This is not about SSJ4 love, or GT vs Super.. This is about pure facts shown in the dragonball super anime. Hollar at me if you want to have the convo. Even on discord or I can try to explain it with a long wall of text lol. It will give you the ammo you need to actually combat their logic.
@@mkchable I appreciate this. Though I must say I’m not really trying to combat their logic, because I know he is not. I am interested in what you have to say. @thetrueprotag_ on discord
@@thetrueprotag_ did you get my request? Crazy7383
Cabba is a lot stronger than you thing 🥱
@@bitviper3430 Cabba? Strong? Yes, but he’s definitely being over hyped. Lol meme or not. 😂😂
@@bitviper3430 He's a lot weaker than you think
Toriyama calls it a side story bro, timeline is irrelevant.
Please cabba I need this
@@tyriqueadams4326 unfortunately Cabba doesn’t even get past Kid Ubb.
Dbs fans when they don’t watch their own series
@@nathanpuno2569 Bro for real!! Even with showing a timeline of events.
Bro actually thinks Gt is cannon😂 Opinion automatically thrown out the window. Base Cabba is not. Beating Gogeta but he sure as hell isn’t a push over
@@bitviper3430 “Bro actually thinks GT is cannon” Did you listen to what I was saying the video 😂? Though regarding if it’s cannon or not, thanks to the comment section, I have come across some conflicting information. Depending on what it find may possibly prove that it is, or it’s just up to the individual to decide 🤔
@@thetrueprotag_it’s just doesn’t make sense for Gt to be in the same timeline as Super. Look at SS4 gogeta’s clothes his vest is orange and black. Now look at Gogeta Blue’s clothes. Yellow and black. GT is cannon to the movies but not the anime as a whole. Look at Fusion Reborn Gogeta. He has an orange and black vest. We now 100000% that fusion reborn Gogeta is not canon because Toriyama said that the Broly movie was the introduction of Gogeta into the cannon. GT can’t be canon to the movie and the main anime at the same time. They also didn’t just randomly decide to change the color either. Because Vegito in Z and Vegito in Goku Black arc wear the same clothes. Plus why wouldn’t Goku use SSG, SSB, or TUI in GT? If you say it was because he was a kid then why didn’t Goku say something about not being able to use god ki anymore and instead insists he’s just as strong as before? Anyway. GT is a side story with its own timeline separated from everything else except DB, DBZ, and the movies.
@@bitviper3430 that’s a bunch of yappin’
Another gt fanboy 😒
@@riatrapgaming6415 *dragonball fan
Nah, cabba solos.
#suckitGT
@@zaiah1215 Naaaah, this is why I even mentioned the WHOLE timeline of Dragonball. The events of GT takes place about 10years* after Super. Goku and vegeta are stronger, which means an even stronger fusion. 🤷🏾♂️ And on top of that, considering even the end of Z, Goku is stronger in the fight with Uub. A Goku that is stronger without God Ki. Which is how I realized that Cabba would not only lose to SS4 Gogeta, but he also lose to both end of Z Goku and Kid Uub.
@@thetrueprotag_ Short version: GT is stated to be a “side story”, similar to the pre super movies, by Akira himself. Furthermore, Akira didn’t write GT and did not establish GT as being a part of the main continuity (DB, DBZ, DBS mangas). And to add in to this, GT doesn’t connect to DBS story wise either. No ui or ue? No Gods or angels? No broly? The list goes on.
To act as if GT connects to the main continuity that Cabba is from, in order to scale ssj4 over Cabba, no matter who you think wins the fight, is disingenuous. GT is NOT canon.
Long version: GT is stated by Akira to be a “grand SIDE story of the original Dragon Ball”.
This is a quote from 2005.
Not only was GT not written by Akira, it was also deemed as a SIDE STORY. Similar to the pre super movies. SIDE STORIES that are NOT CANON.
Super and GT do NOT connect.
One is canon + had more of a hand from Akira. And the other, not so much.
Furthermore, even in the story, GT doesn’t connect with super at all.
No mention of anything from Super in GT. No sign of ui or ue or any of the upper transformations from supper. All we get is Z transformations and ssj4. No mention of VERY IMPORTANT CHARACTERS like beerus, whis, etc. Anything you can think of, GT isn’t connected with. Story wise and canonically wise. I mean, Goku at the start of GT was being compared to Buu and Ultimate Gohan and the likes. If GT was truly connected, then Goku would be compared to FAR STRONGER characters.
That may sound unfair due to GT being made way before, but too bad. When you try to connect two series to make a point, you have to establish canonicity and story connectivity. GT has neither with super. It may have a little story connectivity with the end of Z, but, it is still not a part of the main continuity that end of Z is in.
Face it. GT IS NOT CANON OR CONNECTED TO SUPER IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
@@zaiah1215 Did you take time to look at the timeline? How about when I said “hypothetical canonical timeline” or “…GT is not canon” in the video?
You’re right about some things. However, even if we scaled the GT characters, as a side story, they would still either match or be stronger than MOST of the characters in DBS, this means the that “MOST” excludes angels, a few G.O.D’s, possibly Jiren and G.O.D. Toppo, and the strongest characters in the manga after the TOP and Super Hero, but includes, the all the known mortal characters in U6 and other universes.
And a mistake on my part on not including the video scaling how strong SS4 Goku actually is, I’ll drop it in the description. I mentioned some of it in the video, but side story or not. Cabba can not even handle SS4 Goku or Vegeta separately, and you think he can beat them fused together???
Also DBS is the green part of the red timeline, which is the Dragonball Z timeline. End of Z characters are the same characters who experienced the events of DBS (and Daima, since that from what I’ve learn is also canon, taking place within the Super continuity), which are stronger characters, so by what you’re saying, both End of Z Goku and Kid Uub can beat SS4 Gogeta as well?
@@thetrueprotag_ A hypothetical canonical timeline is a senseless point to the argument because it’s not real. It’s a hypothetical. It HAS to be hypothetical because again, GT doesn’t connect to the main continuity in any way shape or form.
Meaning, any connections such as “the events of GT takes place about 10years after super” are illogical because the two entities cannot be connected.
Also,
No bro. GT characters as a whole do not scale relatively to DBS characters. Let alone be clearly stronger than “most”. A small amount of GT characters scale to BoG Goku. Many characters in DBS would stomp BoG Goku at this point. Including Cabba, since he’s equal to base vegeta, who’d also stomp BoG Goku.
So, Cabba can hold his own against someone who can stomp a version of Goku that’s more powerful than ss4 Goku. Meaning, Cabba stomps ss4 Goku. Which means he’d also stomp ssj4 Vegeta.
“What about fusion?”
Well, Gogeta would most likely beat BASE Cabba.
But, if you add ssj or ssj2, depending on if you’re using the manga or anime, then I’m sorry but I just don’t see gogeta winning.
And yea, if DBS continues to be canon within the main continuity, then it only makes logical sense that End of Z Goku (who’s stated to be “the strongest in the universe”) and Kid Uub would be able to beat ssj4 Gogeta as well. If they truly follow up from the end of DBS, then that means that they scale relatively above a good amount of DBS at that point. Putting them way above ssj4 gogeta at that point.
In short, DBS far out scales GT. It’s not even close. GT may outscale DBS in some hypothetical canonical timeline, but that’s all it will be, hypothetical. It is not a real timeline that’s usable for a real argument.
Ssj4 gogeta beats base cabba.
Ssj4 gogeta may or may not beat a ssj Cabba.
Ssj4 gogeta doesn’t beat ssj2 Cabba.
And the most important part of all of this? It’s funny to say a scrawny guy beats up an absolute tank from an unliked series (rightfully so imo).
#suckitGT
@@zaiah1215 🤣🤣🤣ok kid