Disney Star Wars is an advertising scheme for Disney sci-fi-themed merchandise. Who cares about the quality of the writing, the logical flow of the narrative, the absence of worldbuilding, the films are there as an excuse to throw action setpieces at the audience and flog a new item of merchandise with every scene.
If I remember correctly Ryan Johnson (director for TLJ) on one the main commanders (not sure which) said that he felt that commander was a funny character; so he wrote him to be the butt of many "humor" scenes all throughout TLJ. Seriously, there's a limit on how much you can write on nothing but how you feel at the time, without starting to write total dribble.
Given how Disney has treated the franchise by, deleting the entire expanded universe but steal from it to supliment their lack of creativity, asassination of the OT characters morals and personal development, forcing SJW leftist politics down our throats and much, much more, yes star wars is a joke to the writers.
Yes. Star Trek is trying hard to catch up to reach a similar high level of stupidity. From what I’ve heard of the first episode of the new Picard show, it’s mind-boggling in its stupidity...
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No, it was literally so they could do a tie-in event with Fortnite. Let that sink in for a moment. Disney undercut the tactical genius that tricked the entire galaxy, all the Jedi, and the Rebellion, and was only defeated by luck, happenstance, and the power of father-son love... so they could get more money by teaming up with Fortnite. LOOOOOOOL
If the 'Holdo Manoeuvre' had a one-in-a-million chance of destroying the First Order, this means it had a 999,999/1,000,000 chance of being a standard lightspeed jump. Holdo was a deserter attempting to flee, who got unlucky and ran head-on into the FO fleet. It's ironic she's seen as a heroine.
you are talking in a universe where people can't say what way is up despite being waste fuel to stand againg gravity. i dont think they understan stadistics and what they mean
@@poijnve3912 Oh I'm pretty sure Jar Jar Abrams doesn't understand that light moves at the 'speed of light', not instantaneously. The dumb and ignorant should be banned from writing science fiction, because they ignore the "science' bit.
Not to defend incompetence, but if she jumped out, the FO would have followed, and the resistance would likely have been safe to regroup and arrange transport without a timelimit.
@@FlyingMonkeyDeathGod Or the FO literally just leave a few of the Star Destroyers and their fighter complements to destroy the rest of the resistance.
@@GerardMenvussa Till she actually crashed into the Supremacy I was convinced she really was a traitor. After all she seemed to have done everything a traitor in her position would have done, except for calling Snoke herself, to tell him about the fleeing shuttles.
A common theory about the scene was that a ship scanning hyperspace exists in regular space and hyperspace at the same time, that is why Holdo could ram the super duper star destroyer. So even defenders of the movie imply that, although that was probably not their intention.
"I'm sorry Captain, we cannot leave because we are unable to determine which way is up." "Very well then. You there, Trooper. Please escort the Navigator to the nearest airlock, throw him out of it, and tell me which direction he fell." "Yes, sir."
@@williamgoo7621 The shot would have been fired at the Astropath before you could even say commissar. And you would already have a team of praying tech-priests saying the blessed psalm codes to appease the machine spirit to find out what has upset it so to produce such errors so that they may diagnose the diagnostic logs and fix them.
Imagine being they most powerful Sith Lord that ever did exist and killing three Jedi masters that are council members almost instantaneously and that same day fighting the Jedi Grand Master they most powerful Jedi to a draw and being killed by a girl who probably hasn’t held a lightsaber for a total of an hour and your plan being ruined and your fleet which was they most powerful fleet the galaxy had ever saw destroyed by a fleet of meddling kids most of which probably were never in a battle and probably had less then 5 well experienced generals/admirals
Note to self: 1. Always have a military adviser when working on a movie with a large battle/s 2. Always have a 5 year old as one of my advisers. If they can point out a flaw with a plan, I will not fallow that plan
If you want such a battle to be taken seriously anyway. Sometimes, directors don't really care if a battle is accurate. Sometimes like in the starship troopers movie, it's intentionally bad or nonsensical as satire or it's a comedy.
Yes this film is bad, but this film was almost dead the moment The Last Jedi was released. If we got the scrapped script that was leaked this could have been better but after TLJ, the entire Triliogy was dead.
When it comes to hyperspace ramming... I think this is essentially a case of JJ Adams having to deal with TLJ's mess. Prior Star Wars seemed to have indicated that hyperspace ramming just wasn't practical as a military tactic - in Rogue 1, for instance, we see Vader's Star Destroyer appear in the escape path of Rebel ships, and the ships that don't cancel their jump in time simply bounce off and are destroyed without inflicting any noticeable damage. Introducing hyperspace ramming as an effective tactic as shown in TLJ realistically should mean that ALL of the fleets and fighters of Star Wars are rendered obsolete and wars would be fought by lobbing rocks fitted with hyperdrives at each other. Adams was stuck with this scenario, and there really ISN'T a good reason for that not to become a dominant tactic that would be about as interesting to watch as an ICBM exchange. It was Rian Johnson's messup (or whoever it was that decided to make the Holdo Maneuver a thing) that created the problem, and there wasn't really anything that Adams could do other than put a lampshade on it, say it wasn't going to work, and move on. Strictly speaking, he could easily have come up with some treknobabble why it was "one in a million" if he cared enough to do so, but I suspect he just didn't want to have to acknowledge it any more than he absolutely had to.
No it wasn't. The first movie says you can't just to close to planet. This is sadly forgotten by JJ when he has them doing it all over the place in this movie, and KingEmperorPenguin, who I don't think has seen the very canon episode 4.
The entire opening of the movie is basically one gigantic cross-versal retcon as Abrams tries to spounge up Johnson's mess. Hence; no Rose/Finn, no Hyperspace Ram, the Resistance has aid again...
My explanation was that because Hyperspace Beacons are used in the _Expanded Universe_ to indicate jump points, when Holdo turned on the _Raddus's_ navicomputer to escape, she noticed that it picked up the Hyperspace Tracker on board the _Supremacy_ as a valid Beacon. She then changed her plan from escaping with the cruiser to using the tracker deep inside the hull as a jump point so that her ship would be going almost lightspeed yet still in realspace when it struck the hull.This makes the scene into one of an incompetent coward seizing an opportunity to die bravely to save her comrades whilst also making it highly inadvisable for either technology or tactic to ever be used again in _Star Wars._ Similarly to Mr.Dymond, this explanation took a mere minute for me to devise; it's a crying shame that apparently *none* of the writers at Luca$film/Di$ney had the competence, foresight, thoughtfulness or skill to do likewise.
Vader's ship was DECELERATING, an important point. Also, the whole point of a hyperdrive appears to be to try to be AT lightspeed for the briefest possible instant, before bypassing normal space altogether.
I remember a time when the Emperor was a genius who killed his master while becoming chancellor while maneuvering two warring parties against one another while setting up the destruction of the Jedi while gaining support for an empire. It used the to be the only thing that could stop him was plot armor not incompetence.
Well it wasn't really plot armor that stopped him. His death in Return Of The Jedi was due to a character flaw he had. Palpy didn't understand love which is why he didn't realize Vader wouldn't stand by while Plapy tried to kill his son.
re: planet destroying weapons with vulnerabilities that are never fixed: It's even worse than that. The second Death Star did fix the vulnerabilities. It had a different vulnerability stemming from not having all of its hull plating yet when attacked.
@@whisperwalkful Because apart from rushing work on the gun for Palpatine's poorly thought out ambush (apparently his foresight is worth about as much as flood insurance on Tattoine) it wasn't finished. Palpatine boasts that it's fully armed and operational, but he's plainly lying. It doesn't even have hull where some of the defensive turrets should be and seems to lack shields of its own.
The science-fantasy equivalent of saying: "Hey, you know this remote construction site that only has the front wall and back walls, no windows or doors, and only a chainlink fence and a rooftop catapult as a defence? Let us use it as not only the royal palace but also as an ambush site to destroy a highly adaptive guerrilla attack group. That will go splendidly."
To be fair, Palpatine allowing the Rebellion to attack it while the thing was incomplete was fully intentional; he wanted to bait them into a trap and then throw his entire fleet at them while the Death Star was protected by the shields. Granted, it was a calculated risk made by someone who didn't do all the math, but it at least had some logic behind it.
TL;DR from my previous comment, the battle of Geonosis was full of incompetence, but it made sense. The Jedi were leading rather than the clones, and we see how that turned out, they just charged straight into the enemy, which was an acceptable strategy.... during the STONE AGE! And the Droids were not expecting a large force to come out of nowhere, and their strategy is to overwhelm their enemies with cheap expendable blaster fire.
In the first battle of geomosis it was at least understandable why the battle lacked any tactical prowess because the jedi had no experience leading an army, thus just threw everything they had at the enemy and hopped it would work. But this? The resistance and the first order have supposedly years of military experience and training, yet they lack even the most basic sense of tactical awareness to the point it feels like they’re all incredibly incompetent or are actually on the autism spectrum.
The Battle of Geonosis made more sense because the Republic wanted to capture the factories intact to see how the Separatist really were and which Megacorps supported them and the Separatist didn't plan for the clone army and their doctrine in the lore was well established as keep throwing battle droids at a wall until the wall collapses.
@@undulycriticalobserver2510 The First Order and the Resistance are led by military officers left over from the Rebellion/Empire days, and should have a long catalogue of tactics that worked from the previous era. Yet they made the Jedi, who haven't fought a major war since 1000 years before Geonosis, look like Alexander the Great in comparison.
@@emberfist8347 nah, thats the second battle. the first was just a giant moshpit cuz yoda was in a hurry to save the jedi. the battle afterwards was just chaos because nobody had a plan. i mean they went from "get to the choppa!" straight to "Mortal kombat"
Agreed! It's not like jet packs have been a thing since before the Clone Wars some 40 odd years earlier! Also tracks won't keep up with repulsor-lift speeders, that's why there are repulsor-lift SPEEDERS!
Clone Troopers had jetpack troops. The galactic empire had both jetpack stormtroopers and imperial supercomandos. How did the first order not have any?
@@AlanGChenery It would _make sense_ for the First Order to not have what the Empire used to have. Apparently, JJ Abrams thinks the other way around and gives the First Order things the Empire never dreamed of. Also, he thinks the Empire didn't have jetpacks. Even though the man the Clone Army was made from had a jetpack.
To be fair, from a movie only standpoint, (what the vast majority of the audiance will have) there have never been random grunt enemies with jetpacks. Only Boba and Jango, two badass mercs with most likely custom gear. But it's still really stupid as we're meant to think that the military wouldn't abuse the shit out of jetpack technology. Like, are we supposed to think *any* military wouldn't have an entire division dedicated entirely to jetpack troopers if they could?
“Also it is a well-known engineering fact that the more parts you add to a moving machine [...] the more likely it is to break down” WW2 German Engineers: *sweating profusely*
@@AJSSPACEPLACE Well the thing is that the maneuver wouldn't work with a ship of any mass. Hyperspace is another dimension that is parallel to real space. A large celestial body in regular space like say planet projects what is called a "mass shadow" in the parallel location in hyperspace. In layman's this means you can't make a hyperspace jump in atmosphere because of the planet's gravity well and the impact it has in hyperspace. However there is no ship big enough to generate a mass shadow.
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The sad thing is that it would not be hard to come up with a legitimate excuse for the treaded speeder. There are some planets in the EU where repulsorlift vehicles do not work. Which is why tanks with treads still exist in Star Wars and why AT-ATs do not simply hover around. Throw on that since the tread speeder does not have to power a repulsorlift you get a speeder bike equipped with an actually decent shield to protect the drivers. Which means more of the precious FO troops would survive (note this is actually why Rey did not insta snipe the drivers and invalidate the chase from the start). You can also outfit it with stronger guns since you have more power to divert. Which is what you got, a speeder bike with treads that mounted the equivalent of a pair of 20mm autocannons with a shield generator and some armor plating to produce an overall tougher and safer speeder bike. Provided of course there were no Main Characters with plot armor around. You can clearly see what the First Oder Engineers were thinking.
I would initially believe that they couldn’t do the light speed ram since the planet’s gravity prevents ships from entering hyperspace BUT the movie’s intro has the millennium falcon enter hyper space while in the gravity of several planets during the tie fighter chase
Yeah for some reason both the Penguin and JJ both forgot about this. Also the thing about the gravity wells makes it sound like you can't do as much damage when coming out of hyperspace. It makes it sound like you just go splat rather than doing relativistic damage.
This would be a really cool explanation as to why the ramming worked, the Supremacy was so big its internal gravity pulled the Rattus out of it jump while it passed through the hull, avoiding shields and armour, but wrecking it on the inside, and the normal Star Destroyers can't emit such strong gravity fields.
In rogue one,the main cast they make a blind hyperspace on the surface to get away from flying rocks cause by death star lazer, i dont see why they can do the same
I remember, Lindybeige I think it was, telling a story about how someone he knew was historical advisor for a film. The historical advisor guy said almost everything was wrong or wildly anachronistic, and he seemed to just be there so the film could say they had a historical advisor.
"It's a Mystery Box!" I remember reading an article (which I now cannot find to save my life...almost like it was scrubbed from existence) that talked about how Mystery Boxes were a gimmick used by magic shops to sell garbage : typically the junk illusions that none of the shoppers wanted. So the entire value of a Mystery Box is not opening it, 'cause when you do open it, you realize you were sold garbage, and wasted your money. How fitting.
Oh yeah I read that article as well if we are thinking the same one. I even watched J.J.'s TED-Talk about 'Mystery Boxes'. When you hear it, yeah it does sound like it's pretty deep, then you realize some things: 1) A mystery has to be solved 2)The answer to that mystery needs to equal the wonder that mystery builds up. 3)J.J. never likes to answer the mystery he creates or when he does, its so underwhelming. 4)J.J.'s whole 'Mystery Box' is just a marketing ploy.
@@Deuteromis I just wish we could find that article. I've tried entering key-words or phrases, and couldn't find anything. I remember running into a similar problem when trying to rediscover an article about a female executive at a razor company explaining why the "pink tax" is accounted for by female shaving products receiving more R&D to make them shave more surface area at more diverse angles, etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised if manipulated algorithms/retractions/outright buries are disappearing these articles.
@@somedandy7694 Try adding dates when you search for it, that might help. I read the article about a year or two before Ep.7 came out. I remember it was right around the time J.J. was tapped to make the movie and a little after Into the Darkness came out. That's when I started questioning if JJ was the right person to do Star Wars. He's an OK director, but a terrible writer. Ep.7 should have proven to people how overrated he is, but I think Ep.9 cements that. Fun(sad) Fact: J.J. wrote up Ep.7 6 months before filming. Let that sink in.
Boba's Fett dad had a jetpack. It is literally a trick from before the Empire. From their grandparent's time. It's like Vietnam's war era soldiers being surprised by submachine guns that were a concept invented in WW1.
most mandalorians have jet packs and clone troopers often had them and storm troopers from the empire too and droids also did it's pretty common in star wars to have some specialist jetpack troops really it's about as surprising as seeing troops with ATGMs on a modern battlefield
@@Eliphaser I know right. It is a specialized weapon, but not really anything new or revolutionary. Also, I don't really think the desert is where jetpacks would be popular, but in cities, where jetpacks would give infantrymen quick 3D mobility. "Jetpack troops. Don't stick on cover for long, they will fly above and drop bombs."
@@blvalverde remember guys they forgot about the Jedi order and the details of the clone wars. I'm surprised they don't go oh wow a star destroyer what's that
That and remember: Finn was a First Order stormtrooper Jet Troopers were like Army Rangers, Navy SWCC, Marine Scout Snipers, or Air Force Air Rescue. Everybody from the lowest schmuck knows about it because it's an advanced force with a job everyone has spent some time thinking they might be able to do even if they couldn't. It's not obscure or secret. A Jet Trooper detail is attached to nearly every assault force. You might excuse Poe not knowing because he's a pilot, not a ground force trooper. But Finn?? Finn would know.
In the books its told that the first order was financed by corporations and wealthy individuals who had imperial and sith sympathies most of these people loved the empire because of its xenophobic policies against aliens because well the empire were Nazis
They can't tip the ship because the repulseres can only work when they are leveled. As for why can't go up its because the unnatural phenomenons like magnetic storms etc and therefore requires equipment to help them
All they had to do was put in a throwaway line like, "The Holdo Maneuver only worked because we were able to catch the Supremacy at the edge of the planet's gravity well at the instant its interdiction field was weakest. Palpatine isn't giving us that chance." But no.
Written only halfway through the video, ahahah. But at least I wasn't doing the explanation to actually explain, only give an example of a throwaway line.
@@kingemperorpenguin1 lol it's just a quibble, and I'm sure there are different names for different militaries. But no worries! I'm super grateful you even bothered to verify, and then respond. Says a lot about the veracity with the rest of what you're saying. Love these videos. You do good work, keep it up!
@@mathewkelly9968 fire team, squad, platoon, company, battalion, divisions, Corps for the United States Marine Corps. But all our branches are slightly different
@@kingemperorpenguin1 Just note that a US Marines squad and a US Army squad are comprised of different numbers of troops. There are also different numbers of marines in a rifle squad and a weapons squad. The US Marines rifle squads have three fire teams, while a US Army squad has two fire teams in it.
Palpatine's Plan: Step 1: Secretly build a fleet with enough destructive power to rule the galaxy with. Step 2: Keep the entire fleet on a world they can't easily escape from Step 3: Announce to absolutely everyone that I'm still alive and pose a great threat Step 4: Keep my fleet in "please blow us all up" formation even after my enemies know where I am. Step 5: Assume that the rebels won't be able to muster up a rag-tag force to fight against a superior enemy, even though I know from personal experience that is the one thing they excel at doing. Step 6: Shoot lightning. If Rey interferes, shoot lightning. If the lightning is damaging me and not harming her at all, it means I'm not shooting enough lightning.
"Gee, How can we tell which way is up while we are in a planet's atmosphere?" "Ummm, well we are having to expend a lot of fuel fighting gravity, so if we just increase the trust in that direction, we go up!" "Are You NUTS!!!! That won't appear to be unnecessary or flashy! That violates the writers vision!" "OK then, Lets just throw an extra storm trooper out an airlock and watch which direction they fall?" "No way! We don't have the manpower for that. We have 5 guys in an entire division!"
"Here, hear me out for a second. We just set our movement vector to Y axis, no X or Z, and we punch it." "Nonesense, everyone knows there's only 2 spatial dimensions."
People capable of creating and maintaining an artificial gravitational field don't have the instrumentation to read a planet's gravity well? Sure, why not.
Here's how they could have explained the stupid Holdo maneuver: The Hyperspace tracker unique to the First Order requires the tracking ship to exist within a semi-hyperspace state. Part of it exists in a separate dimension. It is extremely vulnerable while in this state. This is why the First Order fleet refused to leave Snoke's ship and why Snoke's ship was being used to track. When Holdo rammed the ship, her ship connected with it in Hyperspace, creating chaos and releasing fast moving debree in real space. The Final Order ships are different. They are not tracking any ships either. This is why the Holdo maneuver can only be used in that one scene of The Last Jedi. Of course, this explanation requires the writers to be competent and further degrades The Last Jedi. There's no avoiding that, however. Rian is the one that introduced the lore breaking move. Then again, Johnson had TIE Fighters using the trackers and Lightspeed skipping so fuck me.
That explanation completely fails to take into account the successful Holdo maneuver shown during the clipshow of Xyston classes being destroyed across the galaxy at the end of the film
Was there even a BATTLE in this movie? I just remember some ships appearing, then getting shot, then other ships arriving, and... Force lightning... Or something.
The fighters are apparently anti personal weapons, not intended for engaging other ships. At least, that is the best I can tell from watching the Disney trilogy.
"They can't tell which way is up out there" *Cut to a scene of a bunch of upside down/ sideways star destroyers in a disorganised formation rising out of the ice*
And again on the "what way is up": a semi competent captain would turn to his navigator and ask: "Can you track the trajectory we've been doing sincewe left the ice? Good! Keep it going this way until we detect some obstacle. We are not going to stay in this killing zone."
We don't know where crews for all this Destroyers came from and what training they had. Perhaps understanding that "Up is direction opposite to where ships are pulled by planets gravity" is to much for their navigators (and other officers)
@@eryx5383 Ok, I get it that "driving" a ISD is tough, but c'mon, were they not trained at all, do they all lack common sense. The definitive argument against that is that I come up with this on a youtube comment section. If FO commanders are dumberer than me, than they are no threat. And particularly if they are going blind in their first mission it is almost impossible that someone - even the guy who was scare to die because he didnt know which way is up - should ask: "Captain, shouldnt we practice what we gonna do if the nav system fail?". The commander would kill this guy, but in the back of his mind he would go "thats right, we should look for alternatives". I mean even for planes today a good part of the training is what to do when systems fail.
@@mustavogaia2655 It seems that they are... One side manages to go to planet, find and attack targets, land cavalry and so on. Other side stands still because they don't know up form down. It seems unlikely that new Destroyers have worse navigational equipment then resistance fighters. But movie shows us exact this.
How does one even explain the practicality of landing HORSES on a floating ship? That is literally the modern equivalent of landing jeeps on an aircraft carrier as a means of boarding
12:16 the republic had clones equipped with jet packs during the clone wars and the mandalorians have had them sense the mandalorian war which was part of the old republic period which ended 10,000 years before the prequels.
@@corruptangel6793 thanks for the clarification. like you said my point still stands. frankly it seems like this is something that would pretty common place by this point. the tactical flexibility it gives you is crazy especially sense it's a true jet pack not a jump pack.
@@seanmac1793 the justification they'll use is that we've never seen grunts use jetpacks in the movies. And the vast majority of audiences only have movie info to go on as, I'd say at *least* 60-70% of audiences never look into the external material. So from a movie only standpoint, only Boba and Jango, two badass mercs using what is very likely custom gear, have ever used Jetpacks. That's still a stupid justification however as that means that they expect us to believe the military wouldn't jump on and abuse the shit out of that kind of technology. Especially since we know from Jango and Boba that it works
@@corruptangel6793 they do show some clones with them in Attack of Clones and the Seps have modified B2 with jet packs so yeah it's pretty weak justification.
Yeah, that opening sequence really is incredibly dumb. Imagine if sometime during the 1960s, Hitler sent out a worldwide broadcast announcing he faked his death and has reconsolidated his power as the Fourth Reich at a secret base in Argentina or Antarctica, and will be launching a worldwide attack imminently. Instead of heading down into a COG nuclear bunker to conduct the war from, either JFK or Nikita Kruschev jump on a private plane without any of their protective staffs, and swing down to Argentina to go to Hitler's house and see what he's talking about.
JJ Abrams in all his glorious military intelligence: We go from point A to point B, and then from point B to point C, and we will do this as quickly and stupid as possible. Star Wars fans: I have a bad feeling about this.
A drop in a sea: When resistance ships arrive, general Pryde orders his ships to fire ion cannons, the weapons generaly considered to be disabling, not lethal directly. As the star destroyers open fire, we see rebel fleet take regular damage. The reason is, in my humble opinion, either that there was a shift in ion technology, or that Pryde has no actual power to command the fleet, which I find rather amusing.
I just think the writers never understood SW space combat. Kylo takes a regular TIE ln to that secret sith planet when they dont have hyperdrives and the ship has been sitting in a wet waterlogged husk for 30 years after crashing from space.
@@NYG5 My overarching theory is that the writers remember less and less. At first it was kind of ok, then they started to forget things from original trilogy, like characters... character? Something like that. Then they started to forget the prequels, like character motivation and behaviour. And lastly they started to forget the sequels too, because oh boy are they inconsistent. And you can see this gradual loss of memory through the disney saga.
Emperor palpatine announcing his existence to the galaxy and announcing he is going to invade is the equivalent of Hitler right before the start of world war 2 announcing to the world " hey I'm going to invade Poland and start a world war, no on try to stop me okay" and losing the element of surprise that made the blitzkrieg so effective.
Technically it was France and Britain that turned it into a world war. Uncle Hitler didn't want to engage in a war with those powers, Communism and reclamation of the imperial or German ethnic territory was the main goal.
@@Randisides Well the thing is Operation Barbarossa was more tactically sound. I mean the logistics you need in order take over the entire galaxy which is 120,000 lightyears in diameter and you 7 dwarf galaxies, 20 million sentient species and 1 billion inhabited planets with only 1,000 Star Destroyers in 16 hours from a single planet is borderline impossible due to how staggering they would be. Realistic I would expect the Star Destroyers would running back and forth between several planets in a manner where you hear the Benny Hill Theme.
Which just makes no sense, considering that the Mandalorians worked with the Empire, and THEY had jetpack stormtroopers. "They fly now?" "You were a Stormtrooper and you didn't know that?"
The flagship was actually a different model of ship, and was actually a Star Battlecruiser. It didn't have the planet killer cannon and the bridge was not exposed, so neither suicidal tactics would have worked. But landing troops on the side is still stupid.
First Rule of Bad Robot writing: Make previously established characters look bad so our super-bland characters look better by comparison. See Star Trek Discovery for more details.
The ships are staying there using propulsion systems that need to be pointed un the opposute direction of gravity. How do they not know which way is down?
Precisely. That's like as if I was standing on the ground with my two feet, and when someone asked me which direction the ground was, I told them I didn't know and I had to check my phone's accelerometer to tell me.
You know you think a ship that big would have like some kinda beacons like on life pods that they could oh idk launch a few empty ones and follow the ones that keep moving?
Finn: “Come on that move is 1 in 1 million” Me: Yeah it is, One X-Wing... could destroy about a million of those things in a formation like that, what’s bad about that do you want 2 million destroyed?
My predictions for weapon improvements on nex t episodes: ep X: TIE figther with deathstar tech; ep XI: Stormtrooper blaster with deathstar tech; ep XII: an app - DeathstR - one swipe left and the Emperor - yep still alive - destroy a planet.
@@colebuckon3856 for sure the emperor would take advantage of amazon prime to blow up the planet in less than 24 hours - because amazon drones know what way is up.
The thing about the Death Star superlaser on Star Destroyers was they first appeared in the EU comic Dark Empire. The difference was that minimum you need a 8 mile long Star Dreadnought to mount a superlaser and it didn't blow up the planet they killed everything one the surface and split open the planet's crust.
@@emberfist8347 And if that was the benchmark for destroying a planet, then there was literally no reason to create such expensive weapons systems when a hyperspace-accelerated small ship could do the same for a fraction of the cost. As much as they are trying to downplay the Holdo Maneouver, it still blew the door wide open on the concept of relativistic ballistic weaponry in the SW universe, and you can't just stuff that cat back into the bag by handwaving it in the next movie. I have seen people do the math on blogs: a ship the size of the Millennium Falcon (not a huge vessel by any means) accelerated to just a fraction of lightspeed, could easily cause an impact big enough to rival the one that lead to the K-T mass extinction on Earth. Accelerate it a fraction more, and you can crack the crust. Accelerate it just a bit more, and you can blow a hole right down to the mantle. There is a reason why mass drivers are some of the scariest weapons in hard SF settings, and why they are usually ignored in more fantastical works, lest everything would devolve into space-faring civilizations flinging comparatively small projectiles at each other from light-seconds away.
"If one person chose to take on an entire military force, that would be a stupid decision" That depends on the balance of power. Master Chief vs 3 Roman Legions would not be a bad fight to pick. Or Vader vs them for that matter.
@@revantobias8567 TBH, both would have their issues through sheer numbers. Albiet I dont think either would be dumb enough to stick around and face em all. Chief sure as hell wouldnt.
@Killer Orca that and im pretty sure vader could 100% take them all on if he wanted to. There was one time he was completely surrounded by a rebel army, easily numbering in the thousands with armored support. And he won by detonating all their thermal detonators with the force.
I'm not sure I can articulate just how aghast I was at the endless parade of madness that filled this movie. Say what you will about the prequels, at least they were articulate, boring perhaps but perfectly understandable. This was just pure gibberish. Why does anyone do anything? "Because it wooks pwetty," seems to be the general answer. My moment of "Nope, fuck this, I'm done," was the design of the new star destroyers though. Just... just why? In fact, that's the best word to describe this whole train wreck, "Why?" For more information on my opinion, please turn your attention to A.M.'s speech at the beginning of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream."
How long has it been since you legit watched the prequels. Have you been corrupted by 2016 youtube. Anyway yeah sequels trash, it looks pwetty gibberish trash its trash its trash and dont forget its trash pwetty
@@SpiffoGaming Not that long actually, though last time I was watching them on mute (long story, but I do recommend it actually). But if I'm being honest, I do genuinely like Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith, but that comes with the qualifier that there's a boatload of nostalgic good memories associated with them. I still mock them mercilessly at every turn. It just feels like the sequels seem more tragic than funny.
@@CrescentGuard I wish someone would make a silent film fan edit for the Prequels. Get rid of the dialogue but keep the soundtrack. They could even do the pause, show dialogue, then continue scene thing that the original silent films did and use that to fix the dialogue by replacing the original with the novel's or the editor's own
@@SpiffoGaming You know your argument falls apart when can't even spell. The Prequels are good and I can say that because I have watched for a long time.
I'm honestly not sure how that many Resistance ships popped up near Exegol. The passage to there is shown to be extremely tight and requiring the ability to pull off immensely precise and narrow turns. Few of these ships are small enough to fit and most would likely have crashed and been destroyed on the journey through.
They literally popped out of the ground by going up. Just set the coordinates to the last saved movement and punch it, that's it, not to mention EVERY VESSEL WITH 3D MOVEMENT EVER has X, Y and Z axis' programmed. Just set the engines to Y and go fast boyeo it's not like a plane that has to care about aerodynamics this is a submarine/helicopter deal, just push Y, that's it, it's harder to program a ship that DOESN'T know that!
@@alternative915 well this is just another plot hole. Because according to the NEW books, you can't enter hyperspace so close to a planet. Because of the planets gravity well. But they do it in the movies all the time.
I would love to see some military analyses of some of the battles from the Clone Wars tv show. Such as the battle of Umbara, or the assault on the Ryloth blockade. The show employs some interesting and imaginative tactics at times, and im sire there are a few foolish tactics in there as well to mix things up. Continue your good work, Lord Emperor.
That was never his goal. His goal was using that stuff as a means to an end. The Death Star was based on a similar principle to Mutually Assured Destruction. You build a weapon that can blow up planets, make pubic demonstration to show that are not afraid to use it, and then watch as all the galaxy submits to you for fear of global annihilation. At least that was how it was supposed to work not what actually happened.
The point I was trying to make is these writers seem to think that the only tension a star wars movie can have is if a planet killer is involved and I'm just sick and tired of them.
I can only imagine Final Order Admirals screaming at each other to find out where up is only for the tower to broadcast something like ''look at the ceiling, that's up''
Having just thought of it, doesn’t the light speed ram or “holdo maneuver” break a key plot point in the force awakens? To get into star killer base the Millennium Falcon must use light speed to pass through the base shields. And the only reason this works is because light speed has been treated as something like a separate dimension, the holdo maneuver changes the nature of hyperspace from a separate dimension or space, to simply just going at an extremely high speed.
It breaks lore because of other reasons, the force awakens does break lore there to, but only really in that rhe gravity should have kicked it out of flight before reaching the shield, in that movie the plan was to time it in-between the incomprehensible small amount of time between on and off, similar to how a lightbulb flashes on and off rapidly about 100 times a second, now hyperspace is a diffrent dimension, however you don't fully enter it, you merely exist in both dimensions at the same time, so if a rock is in real space, then you hit it, the rock interacts with you as if you hit at your ships maximum real space speed, because while it's moving faster then it could normally, it's still moving at that speed when it comes to the math involved
It could be both. Ships entering light speed accelerate to ludicrous speeds before disappearing. Holdo may have hit the First Order at the moment before vanishing into the other dimension.
Q: So why did the 1st Order not know about the Emperor and the Final Order, then all of a sudden act like, "oh ... we have a new commander with a new military that is in charge of us now. Let's give up our power and follow their orders." ??? A: It's a mystery boooooox!!! 😃
Another missed opportunity to be honest. More moderate First Order officers refusing loyalty to Palpatine and defecting to the resistance would actually be interesting. A final battle with star destroyers fighting alongsids Mon Calamari cruisers against ancient Sith ships would be better than Y-Wings shooting ISD penises.
@@raptor9777 Weren't most of the First Order just survivors of the fall of the Empire? I'm not defending this train wreck but it does make sense that the FO would be totally behind the return of Palpatine. Plus the FO destroyed an entire system of planets so I don't think "moderate officers" can be applied to them. Now, what would have been interesting, would be an Imperial Remnant type faction that was the defeated OT Empire that saw the FO as an extremist group. A reformed Empire that essentially got rid of all the bad sith stuff to make a proper Empire trying to do it's own thing separate from the sith/Palpatine
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 Yeah the First Order was made of former Imperial that fled to the unknown regions. By moderate I was thinking similar to how you put it, former Imperials who saw thought that the Sith were responsible for the Empires downfall. I do like the idea of there being a seperate moderate Imperial faction that opposes the First Order though. Even if Palpatine didn't come back, having the Imperial Remnant and New Republic put their differences aside and join forces to stop the FO would be a much way to end the 'Skywalker Saga.'
25:33 Only because I like Leia and don't want her name besmirched, I would like to offer a possible explanation: Leia did send messages across the galaxy to round up a fleet to fight the Final Order. As you said later, it does seem suspicious that Lando could get such a huge fleet to assemble and coordinate, fully crewed, armed, and ready for combat, in such a short amount of time. I would suggest that Leia had already sent word around for people to prepare for this final battle, but to also stand by and wait for her signal, and Lando's broadcast was merely the signal those people were waiting for.
Nah that doesn´t work, the FO would just rip off the tech and then maybe pay damages later. Similar RL example is how the US was at war with Germany, but Springfield had to pay damages to Mauser for ripping their design off. If the first order would even care about Mandalorians I´d say that´s a more likely set of events. So back to 0, they didn´t use jetpacks to this point because the sequel trilogy is a trainwreck and filled with bad writing.
27:51 On top of all of that we also have to remember that the emperor also chose when he was going to set his plans into motion when he announced that he was alive in the first place, He could have postponed the announcement and thus his plans if he truly needed more time for preparation. This means that he believed that he had everything prepared in advance and overlooked the fact that his ships can’t navigate on their own.
Not only the Admiral pryde flagship had the technology but was a First order ship, not a ship from the the emperors doit fleet. So that means that if a "common" ship could relay the signal IT'S VERY VERY SAFE TO ASSUME the rest of the Emperor's fleet could damn well relay the signal with ease
@@natetheskate9948 Indeed. While not perfect and some of its elements were downright atrocious, many of its stories surpassed the films and certainly the new DisCan.
The resistance Y wings actually aren’t equipped with torpedoes according to the lore books, because why would a torpedo bomber be equipped with torpedos
The Star Destroyers could also use their surface cannons to take out the boarding party. Just be very careful and you won't damage another friendly or the ship.
@@Cowboyking92 or just use light laser cannons to fire on them. Or use some dropships to land troops on the hull of the ship to pin the... cavalry down while other dropships hover overhead to get that overhead shot. All this fucking First Order tech we see and WOAH KEWL NEW STORMTROOPERS and it means nothing because theyre actions are so unbearably incompetent
Over 15 years ago, we had "The Clone War". Now we have The "Clowns War"'. Seriously. There's no tension, nor any sign of competence by anyone in these movies.
the moment i heard the new army being titled the "final order" i immediately leaned over to my friend and said "that's wut i call a pizza being ordered at 11:50 on new years eve"
Fun fact, the light speed Kamikaze from TLJ is the second time a ship goes light speed through another in the sequel trilogy. The First is the Millennium Falcon Going Light-speed through Han's Ship. They survive and we dont see the aftermath they left behind, but Id like to presume it was akin to admiral ballgown's in TLJ.
Rush the objective with 2 guys while everyone else just goes for kills and the Maul fucking runs at the whole enemy team getting gunned down instantly. -average BF2 team strategy
The thing that saddens me most is that there are teenagers (and worse: gorwn adults) that love this Star Wars trilogy, defend it, and actually think it's good. "It's pretty! It had lightsabers! It had fights! It had music! It was good, you downer!"
@@imperialspecialforce5769 Thank you, Revan. You fill me with hope for the future. Carry forward the knowledge that the Force Awakens Trilogy sucked....you can be one of those that saves civilization from terrible movies with terrible messages that create terrible people. Also...is your handle a reference to Darth Revan?
I'm a teen but I grew up watching the first 6 movies. When I watched Ep 7 I was just dumbfounded, I mean what happened to the New Republic is never mentioned. And holy God Emperor the plot holes and plot armour just hurts my soul.
17:50. To be fair, the Sith assistant droid having all those secrets is just as valid as R2-D2 containing all those Republic military secrets in the Clone Wars
Yes, except that Anakin Skywalker, R2’s owner at the time, was already established as being extremely reckless when it came to anything related to military strategy. No such justification is given in TROS.
33:43 Exactly the first thing that came to my mind when watching. Plus, the admiral of the flagship actually saw the resistance ground assault team turning towards him. It would have been so funny if they would just kept switching between the tower and the flagship and having the resistance assault team would be flying between the two.
I really hate JJ Abrams aesthetics: the super bright/dark colors, the lasers and lightsabers that look broken, the tons of cgi in front of monochrome backgrounds, etc. I'm unsure why people seem to like it. Many people did complain about the cgi in the battle of Coruscant, but at least it looked interesting and not too packed with bland backgrounds. People don't hate on the visuals in this movie like they did in the prequels because they already scapegoated Lucas. Though I'm sure in time Lucas will see an increasing amount of blame for the failures in this movie.
17:00 This right here is a great example of the J.J. aesthetics: look at the top of the ramp when they come charging out. All of a sudden after they shoot the stormtroopers there's a ton of flashing from inside the ship. Why? No idea. But it sure looks exciting! J.J. Abrams' film style is the adult version of jangling keys in front of a baby.
It should also be noted, the Return of the Jedi, that the docking officers, even though the code checked out (Assuming computer said yeah this code is acceptable), recognized an older code, and reported it straight to Vader, and it was Vader that told the docking officers to let the shuttle through. That exchange, meant "oh damn that plan could have backfired and our heroes dead." It also showed, that not everyone in the empire knew what was being planned for the rebels, which is probably why Vader showed up the moment the shuttle was detected, to make sure the rebels got through just fine. That exchange in RotJ really showed tension, and can draw out the question: Vader sensed Luke on the shuttle, why let the rebels through? What is the empire planning by such action? We were then given answers "It's a Trap," later that same movie. We have no tension in Rise of Skywalker.
Actually the flagship of the first order was a resurgence battle cruiser and not a xyston class star destroyer so it didn’t have a cannon on the underbelly. Also the flagship wouldn’t be destroyed if the main bridge was lost since it had a backup bridge. This was one of the improvements that the first order did to their star destroyers.
Do they have a second bridge crew just sitting around waiting for the first crew to be wiped out? Because if not, than how do they expect the bridge crew to survive a scenario where the bridge gets destroyed? Run at the first sign of trouble? Why not just build better defences around the bridge? All they had to do was add a couple point defence canons around the bridge to shoot down any ships or missiles that would get past the shields and turbolasers.
@Corrupt Angel actually yes they are constantly manned and on standby to assume control at any loss of control from the primary bridge, also they did massively increase the defenses for the primary bridge adding dedicated deflector shield generator and point turrets to the bridge/conning tower and the backup bridge is located inside the hull under the armor. Apparently someone forgot to tell the writers of Rise what the other writers had put in the technical manuals and supplemental writing, the ones officially licensed by Lucasfilm.
So, the ship will not be taken out when she looses the bridge. Like for example, from a hacked (maybe turbo, idk) lazer turret turned to it. Which is what happened. And the ship crashed.
I had another thought on the boarding they use anti fighter weapons or flak looking guns aim at the resistance I am imagining a ww1 sequence with a machine gun mauling the resistance lol
Just have like, that saving private Ryan shot from over the shoulder of the *Final Order* troopers as the resistance ramp drops, just go last samurai on their cavalry. Theres kind of a reason we went "there has to be a better way to get across this ground" and made up tanks in *our* time.
@@98765zach No First Order/Sith Eternal troopers have heavy support weapons I guess? To be entirely fair their equivilent of a machine gun is basically the E-WEB and that thing takes like 5 minutes to cart around and set up.
Guts never defeated an army by himself. The closest thing was the battle after falling off the cliff with Caska when he is said to have defeated a company of undisciplined mercenaries, and only because they apparently attacked in small squadrons over the entire ** night. And he survived only with the help of thick plot armor (most of the fighting happens "off screen" and is implied more than shown. And is also clear that a dozen archers/crossbowmen attacking in formation would have been enough to kill him). Most of the times he went berserk in the battlefield, it was only to stall for time until his allies rally around the place and rout the remaining foes and in general he is better suited for boss fights rather than a lot of normal soldiers.
It felt really video gamey when Kylo went out on his own. Like Swtor, when you become Emperor of the Eternal Alliance. Then you end up doing all of the dirty work for the alliance. Like don’t you have Troops and ships for that?
Looking at those "motorcycles" in slow motion, it looks like they have hovering parts in the back; the only visible treading is in the front. So not only are they a tracked vehicle in a world where replusors are common as dirt, but they're -hybrids- which makes even less sense. Why on earth would you build a vehicle with both?
Being attached to the ground is good for stopping and general manoeuvres, that's why hovercraft are such a pain in the rear to drive. Of course star wars has never shown hovering vehicles to have those real world problems (unless they are damaged) being shown consistently stopping and making sharp turns with no problems. So to quote Yogurt from spaceballs \merchandise/ It's probably the only reason that makes any kind of sense.
There is little point in analysing the Military Tactics in this film, as none of it made sense to begin with. It comes off as folowing Dream Logic. Anything happens at any moment.
@Teemu Christensen First Star Wars movie. Technically. The trench run, as its shown in the movie, has a few glaring weaknesses in its operation, but Legends helped to fill that out.
The Emperor also was alive when the Malevolence was destroyed, which is a very similar case as its weak point also were the most powerful weapon systems.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Yeah that ship took a pounding afterwards from a fleet of venators and star fighters and bombers and kept going, it had to be blown up from inside i think in the end to destroy it.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Actually Anakin had to reprogram the ship's navicomputer to cause to ram into a moon at light-speed. On a related note, that further proves why the ram from the last movie wouldn't have worked because Malevolence didn't crash into the moon and split it apart it just impacted on the surface.
According to the visual encylopedia - Is the excuse for everything in RoS What I want to know is why both Finn (a janitor) and Poe (A non-imperial/sith) know so much about a planet no one ever knew existed and a fleet they never knew was built.
1:48 "one person cannot take on an entire military force by himself" What about that one finnish sniper who took out like 500 russians by himself? (jk i know he didnt go up against the ENTIRE russian militray but it was ment as a joke:/ )
Well Simo Haya was a master sniper. He had the benefit of camouflage and mastering the ability to pick of targets without using scoped rifle (because the scope tends to reflect life and a glint that soldiers use to identify snipers.)
Take a clock. A clock is made up of a lot of components. Like a gear. Simo Hayaha was a gear. Not just any gear though, the gear to end all gears. A supergear. The Ubergear. An ultra gear the likes of which have not been seen before or since. But a gear is not a clock. (This explanation was unnecessary but I wanted to pontificate lol)
"Is the audience a joke to the writers? Is Star Wars a joke to the writers?"
At this point, yes.
Disney Star Wars is an advertising scheme for Disney sci-fi-themed merchandise.
Who cares about the quality of the writing, the logical flow of the narrative, the absence of worldbuilding, the films are there as an excuse to throw action setpieces at the audience and flog a new item of merchandise with every scene.
@@Gstrangeman96 Given that SW merch is struggeling hard, that strategy seem to doesnt work well
If I remember correctly Ryan Johnson (director for TLJ) on one the main commanders (not sure which) said that he felt that commander was a funny character; so he wrote him to be the butt of many "humor" scenes all throughout TLJ.
Seriously, there's a limit on how much you can write on nothing but how you feel at the time, without starting to write total dribble.
Given how Disney has treated the franchise by, deleting the entire expanded universe but steal from it to supliment their lack of creativity, asassination of the OT characters morals and personal development, forcing SJW leftist politics down our throats and much, much more, yes star wars is a joke to the writers.
Yes. Star Trek is trying hard to catch up to reach a similar high level of stupidity. From what I’ve heard of the first episode of the new Picard show, it’s mind-boggling in its stupidity...
The reason Palpatine sent a public broadcast across the galaxy is simple:
He was sponsorerd by Raid: Shadow Legends
That's how he paid for the Final Order.
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No, it was literally so they could do a tie-in event with Fortnite. Let that sink in for a moment. Disney undercut the tactical genius that tricked the entire galaxy, all the Jedi, and the Rebellion, and was only defeated by luck, happenstance, and the power of father-son love... so they could get more money by teaming up with Fortnite. LOOOOOOOL
If the 'Holdo Manoeuvre' had a one-in-a-million chance of destroying the First Order, this means it had a 999,999/1,000,000 chance of being a standard lightspeed jump. Holdo was a deserter attempting to flee, who got unlucky and ran head-on into the FO fleet. It's ironic she's seen as a heroine.
you are talking in a universe where people can't say what way is up despite being waste fuel to stand againg gravity. i dont think they understan stadistics and what they mean
@@poijnve3912 Oh I'm pretty sure Jar Jar Abrams doesn't understand that light moves at the 'speed of light', not instantaneously. The dumb and ignorant should be banned from writing science fiction, because they ignore the "science' bit.
Not to defend incompetence, but if she jumped out, the FO would have followed, and the resistance would likely have been safe to regroup and arrange transport without a timelimit.
@@FlyingMonkeyDeathGod I can live with that. 🙂
@@FlyingMonkeyDeathGod Or the FO literally just leave a few of the Star Destroyers and their fighter complements to destroy the rest of the resistance.
"Rey Sue"
"Emperor Do It"
"Princess Poppins"
"Daft Kylo"
"General Weasley"
"Golum Palpatine"
Your nicknames make these movies actually tolerable. XD
He’s up all night to get Rey
MunkyDrag0n Don’t forget Jar Jar Abrams
And poe the incompetent, Finn the janitor, Lando the pansexual
Disappointed Dictator Lmao, my bad. I got caught up with *Lando the Pansexual*
Poe the incompetent
I was actually thinking that the "One in a million" lightspeed ram meant that Holdo was trying to run away, and just got really unlucky.
Lmao, I love that. It plays well with her acting like she was trying to get everyone killed instead of telling Poe her plan.
Oh, I really like that.
@@GerardMenvussa Till she actually crashed into the Supremacy I was convinced she really was a traitor. After all she seemed to have done everything a traitor in her position would have done, except for calling Snoke herself, to tell him about the fleeing shuttles.
A common theory about the scene was that a ship scanning hyperspace exists in regular space and hyperspace at the same time, that is why Holdo could ram the super duper star destroyer. So even defenders of the movie imply that, although that was probably not their intention.
So 99% of the time she would have just buggerd off and left the others to die?! Such a great leader!
"I'm sorry Captain, we cannot leave because we are unable to determine which way is up."
"Very well then. You there, Trooper. Please escort the Navigator to the nearest airlock, throw him out of it, and tell me which direction he fell."
"Yes, sir."
Lol.
Also I have just realized:
How do the resistance fighters know which way is up?
🤣
@@alexandererhard2516 Plot Armor and genuis jar jar writng
"Navigator?"
"Yes Captain?"
"Can you Bring me a Air Balloon, fill it and Bring it Back to the Bridge, so you can See, which way is Up!?"
In Warhammer 40k Battlefleet Gothic, it would be much more straightforward.
"COMMISAR!! DO YOUR DUTY!!!!" *BANG*
@@williamgoo7621 The shot would have been fired at the Astropath before you could even say commissar.
And you would already have a team of praying tech-priests saying the blessed psalm codes to appease the machine spirit to find out what has upset it so to produce such errors so that they may diagnose the diagnostic logs and fix them.
Emperor Palpatine: "I am all the sith"
Rey: "And I am all the plot armor"
I wish my WoW tank had that much armour
Rey: M-m-m-multikill!
"I'm every woman, it's all in me...."
Getting your plot from old pop music, classic!
Imagine being they most powerful Sith Lord that ever did exist and killing three Jedi masters that are council members almost instantaneously and that same day fighting the Jedi Grand Master they most powerful Jedi to a draw and being killed by a girl who probably hasn’t held a lightsaber for a total of an hour and your plan being ruined and your fleet which was they most powerful fleet the galaxy had ever saw destroyed by a fleet of meddling kids most of which probably were never in a battle and probably had less then 5 well experienced generals/admirals
@@kimjong-un9506 should have yeeted the bitch instead of lightning yourself....
Note to self:
1. Always have a military adviser when working on a movie with a large battle/s
2. Always have a 5 year old as one of my advisers. If they can point out a flaw with a plan, I will not fallow that plan
Hell
He should've hired someone who could actually write
If you want such a battle to be taken seriously anyway. Sometimes, directors don't really care if a battle is accurate. Sometimes like in the starship troopers movie, it's intentionally bad or nonsensical as satire or it's a comedy.
You picked that my the internet guide to being an overlord
Is the rise of the Skywalker stupid?
Short answer yes.
Long answer yes, but explains.
Lol!
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
@@Sheevlord lol
Yes this film is bad, but this film was almost dead the moment The Last Jedi was released. If we got the scrapped script that was leaked this could have been better but after TLJ, the entire Triliogy was dead.
short reaction: lol
long reaction: loool
When it comes to hyperspace ramming... I think this is essentially a case of JJ Adams having to deal with TLJ's mess. Prior Star Wars seemed to have indicated that hyperspace ramming just wasn't practical as a military tactic - in Rogue 1, for instance, we see Vader's Star Destroyer appear in the escape path of Rebel ships, and the ships that don't cancel their jump in time simply bounce off and are destroyed without inflicting any noticeable damage.
Introducing hyperspace ramming as an effective tactic as shown in TLJ realistically should mean that ALL of the fleets and fighters of Star Wars are rendered obsolete and wars would be fought by lobbing rocks fitted with hyperdrives at each other. Adams was stuck with this scenario, and there really ISN'T a good reason for that not to become a dominant tactic that would be about as interesting to watch as an ICBM exchange. It was Rian Johnson's messup (or whoever it was that decided to make the Holdo Maneuver a thing) that created the problem, and there wasn't really anything that Adams could do other than put a lampshade on it, say it wasn't going to work, and move on. Strictly speaking, he could easily have come up with some treknobabble why it was "one in a million" if he cared enough to do so, but I suspect he just didn't want to have to acknowledge it any more than he absolutely had to.
No it wasn't. The first movie says you can't just to close to planet. This is sadly forgotten by JJ when he has them doing it all over the place in this movie, and KingEmperorPenguin, who I don't think has seen the very canon episode 4.
I thought of a reasonable explanation in like a minute
The entire opening of the movie is basically one gigantic cross-versal retcon as Abrams tries to spounge up Johnson's mess.
Hence; no Rose/Finn, no Hyperspace Ram, the Resistance has aid again...
My explanation was that because Hyperspace Beacons are used in the _Expanded Universe_ to indicate jump points, when Holdo turned on the _Raddus's_ navicomputer to escape, she noticed that it picked up the Hyperspace Tracker on board the _Supremacy_ as a valid Beacon. She then changed her plan from escaping with the cruiser to using the tracker deep inside the hull as a jump point so that her ship would be going almost lightspeed yet still in realspace when it struck the hull.This makes the scene into one of an incompetent coward seizing an opportunity to die bravely to save her comrades whilst also making it highly inadvisable for either technology or tactic to ever be used again in _Star Wars._ Similarly to Mr.Dymond, this explanation took a mere minute for me to devise; it's a crying shame that apparently *none* of the writers at Luca$film/Di$ney had the competence, foresight, thoughtfulness or skill to do likewise.
Vader's ship was DECELERATING, an important point. Also, the whole point of a hyperdrive appears to be to try to be AT lightspeed for the briefest possible instant, before bypassing normal space altogether.
I remember a time when the Emperor was a genius who killed his master while becoming chancellor while maneuvering two warring parties against one another while setting up the destruction of the Jedi while gaining support for an empire. It used the to be the only thing that could stop him was plot armor not incompetence.
Well it wasn't really plot armor that stopped him. His death in Return Of The Jedi was due to a character flaw he had. Palpy didn't understand love which is why he didn't realize Vader wouldn't stand by while Plapy tried to kill his son.
That got retconned in a comic. Apparently he was just the puppet of some woman who orchestrated the whole thing.
Gorbz for some reason I’m not even suprised they did that
@@Gorbz of course they did.
@@Gorbz Did they really....
Whhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyy????
re: planet destroying weapons with vulnerabilities that are never fixed:
It's even worse than that. The second Death Star did fix the vulnerabilities. It had a different vulnerability stemming from not having all of its hull plating yet when attacked.
"yes we fixed the hole in the exhaust port. Now we just dont cover the thing at all."
@@whisperwalkful Because apart from rushing work on the gun for Palpatine's poorly thought out ambush (apparently his foresight is worth about as much as flood insurance on Tattoine) it wasn't finished. Palpatine boasts that it's fully armed and operational, but he's plainly lying. It doesn't even have hull where some of the defensive turrets should be and seems to lack shields of its own.
The science-fantasy equivalent of saying: "Hey, you know this remote construction site that only has the front wall and back walls, no windows or doors, and only a chainlink fence and a rooftop catapult as a defence? Let us use it as not only the royal palace but also as an ambush site to destroy a highly adaptive guerrilla attack group. That will go splendidly."
Well the exhaust port was no vulnerbility it had shields was unnoticable due to many thousands of others being there and several big ones
To be fair, Palpatine allowing the Rebellion to attack it while the thing was incomplete was fully intentional; he wanted to bait them into a trap and then throw his entire fleet at them while the Death Star was protected by the shields. Granted, it was a calculated risk made by someone who didn't do all the math, but it at least had some logic behind it.
None of these new movies have any valid military tactics. They make the Battle of Geonosis look like a Napoleonic victory.
TL;DR from my previous comment, the battle of Geonosis was full of incompetence, but it made sense. The Jedi were leading rather than the clones, and we see how that turned out, they just charged straight into the enemy, which was an acceptable strategy.... during the STONE AGE! And the Droids were not expecting a large force to come out of nowhere, and their strategy is to overwhelm their enemies with cheap expendable blaster fire.
In the first battle of geomosis it was at least understandable why the battle lacked any tactical prowess because the jedi had no experience leading an army, thus just threw everything they had at the enemy and hopped it would work.
But this? The resistance and the first order have supposedly years of military experience and training, yet they lack even the most basic sense of tactical awareness to the point it feels like they’re all incredibly incompetent or are actually on the autism spectrum.
The Battle of Geonosis made more sense because the Republic wanted to capture the factories intact to see how the Separatist really were and which Megacorps supported them and the Separatist didn't plan for the clone army and their doctrine in the lore was well established as keep throwing battle droids at a wall until the wall collapses.
@@undulycriticalobserver2510 The First Order and the Resistance are led by military officers left over from the Rebellion/Empire days, and should have a long catalogue of tactics that worked from the previous era. Yet they made the Jedi, who haven't fought a major war since 1000 years before Geonosis, look like Alexander the Great in comparison.
@@emberfist8347 nah, thats the second battle.
the first was just a giant moshpit cuz yoda was in a hurry to save the jedi. the battle afterwards was just chaos because nobody had a plan.
i mean they went from "get to the choppa!" straight to "Mortal kombat"
Resistence: Lands ground troops on the Star Destroyer
Star Destroyer Captain: DO A BARREL ROLL!
Rodan from Godzilla KOTM: Let me show you how
You mean: let’s try spinning, that’s a cool trick
Make that "Do a death roll!"
3PO - "They fly now!"
Finn: "They fly now?"
Po: "They fly now"
Boba and Jango Fett: "HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!?!?!?!?!?!"
Agreed! It's not like jet packs have been a thing since before the Clone Wars some 40 odd years earlier! Also tracks won't keep up with repulsor-lift speeders, that's why there are repulsor-lift SPEEDERS!
Clone Troopers had jetpack troops.
The galactic empire had both jetpack stormtroopers and imperial supercomandos.
How did the first order not have any?
@@AlanGChenery
It would _make sense_ for the First Order to not have what the Empire used to have. Apparently, JJ Abrams thinks the other way around and gives the First Order things the Empire never dreamed of. Also, he thinks the Empire didn't have jetpacks. Even though the man the Clone Army was made from had a jetpack.
Jet Packs have been a thing in Star Wars for goddamn millennia
To be fair, from a movie only standpoint, (what the vast majority of the audiance will have) there have never been random grunt enemies with jetpacks. Only Boba and Jango, two badass mercs with most likely custom gear.
But it's still really stupid as we're meant to think that the military wouldn't abuse the shit out of jetpack technology. Like, are we supposed to think *any* military wouldn't have an entire division dedicated entirely to jetpack troopers if they could?
“Also it is a well-known engineering fact that the more parts you add to a moving machine [...] the more likely it is to break down”
WW2 German Engineers: *sweating profusely*
Hence why the Tiger 2 and Jagd Tiger was so prone to breaking down, which rendered their intimidation factor useless.
The lightspeed manouver broke the entirety of space fighting in star wars.
Theres no way to fix it now.
It doesn't even make sense when the Malevolence crashed into a moon at lightspeed it didn't destroy the moon.
Blake Tyson I mean, it looked like it took a significant chunk out of it. That explosion was easily in the Petaton range.
@@darthsonic4135 Nah it just impacted on the surface like a bug on a car windshield.
santiago gallego if they had said “that’ll only work with ships of a big enough mass” then I could see that, BUT NOOOO! WE DONT EVEN GET THAT
@@AJSSPACEPLACE Well the thing is that the maneuver wouldn't work with a ship of any mass. Hyperspace is another dimension that is parallel to real space. A large celestial body in regular space like say planet projects what is called a "mass shadow" in the parallel location in hyperspace. In layman's this means you can't make a hyperspace jump in atmosphere because of the planet's gravity well and the impact it has in hyperspace. However there is no ship big enough to generate a mass shadow.
"What were the First Order engineers thinking?"
"We need a new vehicle to sell toys guys what about a motorcycle that launches action figures?"
Another FO officer: "...Wait, we're not a toy company, we're a military!"
@@admiralstone2456 ohhh, you will be....you will be...a toy that takes put toys’R’us out of business due to a complete derp in all of your toy sales...just as (Disney) planned! Mwhahaha! (FemYoda the magical force ghost trails off and vanishes with a rainbow sparkle but not before mouthing off a derivative and lazy writing hack of that one vastly superior scene from the original trilogy prior to a Force is Female sex change thrown into the blender of a very awkward and piss poor Dr. Evil impression) [fades to black]
@@admiralstone2456 hey, the budget's been running low, gotta do something
Yeeterbike
The sad thing is that it would not be hard to come up with a legitimate excuse for the treaded speeder. There are some planets in the EU where repulsorlift vehicles do not work. Which is why tanks with treads still exist in Star Wars and why AT-ATs do not simply hover around.
Throw on that since the tread speeder does not have to power a repulsorlift you get a speeder bike equipped with an actually decent shield to protect the drivers. Which means more of the precious FO troops would survive (note this is actually why Rey did not insta snipe the drivers and invalidate the chase from the start). You can also outfit it with stronger guns since you have more power to divert.
Which is what you got, a speeder bike with treads that mounted the equivalent of a pair of 20mm autocannons with a shield generator and some armor plating to produce an overall tougher and safer speeder bike. Provided of course there were no Main Characters with plot armor around. You can clearly see what the First Oder Engineers were thinking.
I would initially believe that they couldn’t do the light speed ram since the planet’s gravity prevents ships from entering hyperspace BUT the movie’s intro has the millennium falcon enter hyper space while in the gravity of several planets during the tie fighter chase
Yeah for some reason both the Penguin and JJ both forgot about this.
Also the thing about the gravity wells makes it sound like you can't do as much damage when coming out of hyperspace. It makes it sound like you just go splat rather than doing relativistic damage.
That’s actually a frequent source of struggle/tactics in the books. There’s plenty of scenes where the gravity of a planet prevents hyperspace jumps.
This would be a really cool explanation as to why the ramming worked, the Supremacy was so big its internal gravity pulled the Rattus out of it jump while it passed through the hull, avoiding shields and armour, but wrecking it on the inside, and the normal Star Destroyers can't emit such strong gravity fields.
Ha! You think anyone involved knew or even cared how any of this shit works?
In rogue one,the main cast they make a blind hyperspace on the surface to get away from flying rocks cause by death star lazer, i dont see why they can do the same
I remember, Lindybeige I think it was, telling a story about how someone he knew was historical advisor for a film. The historical advisor guy said almost everything was wrong or wildly anachronistic, and he seemed to just be there so the film could say they had a historical advisor.
"It's a Mystery Box!" I remember reading an article (which I now cannot find to save my life...almost like it was scrubbed from existence) that talked about how Mystery Boxes were a gimmick used by magic shops to sell garbage : typically the junk illusions that none of the shoppers wanted. So the entire value of a Mystery Box is not opening it, 'cause when you do open it, you realize you were sold garbage, and wasted your money. How fitting.
Sounds like LootCrate
Oh yeah I read that article as well if we are thinking the same one.
I even watched J.J.'s TED-Talk about 'Mystery Boxes'. When you hear it, yeah it does sound like it's pretty deep, then you realize some things:
1) A mystery has to be solved
2)The answer to that mystery needs to equal the wonder that mystery builds up.
3)J.J. never likes to answer the mystery he creates or when he does, its so underwhelming.
4)J.J.'s whole 'Mystery Box' is just a marketing ploy.
@@Deuteromis I just wish we could find that article. I've tried entering key-words or phrases, and couldn't find anything.
I remember running into a similar problem when trying to rediscover an article about a female executive at a razor company explaining why the "pink tax" is accounted for by female shaving products receiving more R&D to make them shave more surface area at more diverse angles, etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised if manipulated algorithms/retractions/outright buries are disappearing these articles.
@@somedandy7694 Try adding dates when you search for it, that might help. I read the article about a year or two before Ep.7 came out. I remember it was right around the time J.J. was tapped to make the movie and a little after Into the Darkness came out. That's when I started questioning if JJ was the right person to do Star Wars.
He's an OK director, but a terrible writer. Ep.7 should have proven to people how overrated he is, but I think Ep.9 cements that.
Fun(sad) Fact: J.J. wrote up Ep.7 6 months before filming. Let that sink in.
Wasn’t that Stuart Ashen?
Boba's Fett dad had a jetpack. It is literally a trick from before the Empire. From their grandparent's time.
It's like Vietnam's war era soldiers being surprised by submachine guns that were a concept invented in WW1.
most mandalorians have jet packs
and clone troopers often had them
and storm troopers from the empire too
and droids also did
it's pretty common in star wars to have some specialist jetpack troops really
it's about as surprising as seeing troops with ATGMs on a modern battlefield
@@Eliphaser I know right. It is a specialized weapon, but not really anything new or revolutionary.
Also, I don't really think the desert is where jetpacks would be popular, but in cities, where jetpacks would give infantrymen quick 3D mobility.
"Jetpack troops. Don't stick on cover for long, they will fly above and drop bombs."
@@blvalverde remember guys they forgot about the Jedi order and the details of the clone wars. I'm surprised they don't go oh wow a star destroyer what's that
That and remember: Finn was a First Order stormtrooper
Jet Troopers were like Army Rangers, Navy SWCC, Marine Scout Snipers, or Air Force Air Rescue. Everybody from the lowest schmuck knows about it because it's an advanced force with a job everyone has spent some time thinking they might be able to do even if they couldn't. It's not obscure or secret. A Jet Trooper detail is attached to nearly every assault force. You might excuse Poe not knowing because he's a pilot, not a ground force trooper. But Finn?? Finn would know.
The original Star Wars Expanded Universe had jetpack troopers literally since the earliest days of the Republic over 25,000 years before the movies.
-Glass Cannons
-"Lack of Money"
-Where's Up¿
-"Why can't we tip the ship"
-"Shouldn't we Spread out"
All Very *_Convenient!_*
Confound you! You just summed up my whole video in a couple of pithy lines. Now no one will bother watching it!
In the books its told that the first order was financed by corporations and wealthy individuals who had imperial and sith sympathies most of these people loved the empire because of its xenophobic policies against aliens because well the empire were Nazis
@@kingemperorpenguin1 Explains why the OP doesn't have a KingEmperorPenguin love mark.
@@kingemperorpenguin1, I did forget a few, still excellent content.
They can't tip the ship because the repulseres can only work when they are leveled.
As for why can't go up its because the unnatural phenomenons like magnetic storms etc and therefore requires equipment to help them
All they had to do was put in a throwaway line like, "The Holdo Maneuver only worked because we were able to catch the Supremacy at the edge of the planet's gravity well at the instant its interdiction field was weakest. Palpatine isn't giving us that chance."
But no.
Written only halfway through the video, ahahah. But at least I wasn't doing the explanation to actually explain, only give an example of a throwaway line.
Just a note, at least in the US, a team of 4 is a fire team and three fire teams makes a squad. So a squad for us is 12-15 men
I've just double-checked. You're absolutely right. Just pretend I said "fireteams" in place of "sections" and "squads".
@@kingemperorpenguin1 lol it's just a quibble, and I'm sure there are different names for different militaries.
But no worries! I'm super grateful you even bothered to verify, and then respond. Says a lot about the veracity with the rest of what you're saying.
Love these videos. You do good work, keep it up!
Section , squad , platoon , company , battalion , brigade in England , Canada and Australia
@@mathewkelly9968 fire team, squad, platoon, company, battalion, divisions, Corps for the United States Marine Corps. But all our branches are slightly different
@@kingemperorpenguin1 Just note that a US Marines squad and a US Army squad are comprised of different numbers of troops. There are also different numbers of marines in a rifle squad and a weapons squad. The US Marines rifle squads have three fire teams, while a US Army squad has two fire teams in it.
Palpatine's Plan:
Step 1: Secretly build a fleet with enough destructive power to rule the galaxy with.
Step 2: Keep the entire fleet on a world they can't easily escape from
Step 3: Announce to absolutely everyone that I'm still alive and pose a great threat
Step 4: Keep my fleet in "please blow us all up" formation even after my enemies know where I am.
Step 5: Assume that the rebels won't be able to muster up a rag-tag force to fight against a superior enemy, even though I know from personal experience that is the one thing they excel at doing.
Step 6: Shoot lightning. If Rey interferes, shoot lightning. If the lightning is damaging me and not harming her at all, it means I'm not shooting enough lightning.
Step 7: Profit?
"Gee, How can we tell which way is up while we are in a planet's atmosphere?"
"Ummm, well we are having to expend a lot of fuel fighting gravity, so if we just increase the trust in that direction, we go up!"
"Are You NUTS!!!! That won't appear to be unnecessary or flashy! That violates the writers vision!"
"OK then, Lets just throw an extra storm trooper out an airlock and watch which direction they fall?"
"No way! We don't have the manpower for that. We have 5 guys in an entire division!"
"Here, hear me out for a second. We just set our movement vector to Y axis, no X or Z, and we punch it."
"Nonesense, everyone knows there's only 2 spatial dimensions."
But why not point the pointy end of the ship away from the surface we broke through earlier?
I love how they can't tell which way is up BUT all the spaceships are right way up and none of them are sideways, or upside down.
"Guys the little bubble in the tube is stuck idk which way to go"
People capable of creating and maintaining an artificial gravitational field don't have the instrumentation to read a planet's gravity well? Sure, why not.
Here's how they could have explained the stupid Holdo maneuver:
The Hyperspace tracker unique to the First Order requires the tracking ship to exist within a semi-hyperspace state. Part of it exists in a separate dimension. It is extremely vulnerable while in this state. This is why the First Order fleet refused to leave Snoke's ship and why Snoke's ship was being used to track. When Holdo rammed the ship, her ship connected with it in Hyperspace, creating chaos and releasing fast moving debree in real space.
The Final Order ships are different. They are not tracking any ships either. This is why the Holdo maneuver can only be used in that one scene of The Last Jedi.
Of course, this explanation requires the writers to be competent and further degrades The Last Jedi. There's no avoiding that, however. Rian is the one that introduced the lore breaking move.
Then again, Johnson had TIE Fighters using the trackers and Lightspeed skipping so fuck me.
That explanation completely fails to take into account the successful Holdo maneuver shown during the clipshow of Xyston classes being destroyed across the galaxy at the end of the film
I have a better idea
They shouldn't have done it AT ALL
@@deanjustdean7818 Or better yet, during the initial battle have a Tie land a damn beacon on the Raddus like Obi-Wan did to Slave 1 back in Episode 2.
Was there even a BATTLE in this movie?
I just remember some ships appearing, then getting shot, then other ships arriving, and... Force lightning... Or something.
@@GerardMenvussa It was SAD.
WHO CARES!!! LOOK IT'S LANDO PILOTING THE FALCON WITH WEDGE! LOOK AT ALL THE SHIPS FROM PAST SHOWS AND FILMS!!!
SPACE HORSES!!!!!!
@@GerardMenvussa no soundtrack either, abysmal. There's a million themes from the OT and PT but these movies were so silent and devoid of life.
The fighters are apparently anti personal weapons, not intended for engaging other ships.
At least, that is the best I can tell from watching the Disney trilogy.
Foujiz that is what you would call a battle
"They can't tell which way is up out there"
*Cut to a scene of a bunch of upside down/ sideways star destroyers in a disorganised formation rising out of the ice*
And again on the "what way is up": a semi competent captain would turn to his navigator and ask: "Can you track the trajectory we've been doing sincewe left the ice? Good! Keep it going this way until we detect some obstacle. We are not going to stay in this killing zone."
As a navigator this
@@OrDuneStudios apparently yhe message was cut short.
We don't know where crews for all this Destroyers came from and what training they had. Perhaps understanding that "Up is direction opposite to where ships are pulled by planets gravity" is to much for their navigators (and other officers)
@@eryx5383 Ok, I get it that "driving" a ISD is tough, but c'mon, were they not trained at all, do they all lack common sense. The definitive argument against that is that I come up with this on a youtube comment section. If FO commanders are dumberer than me, than they are no threat.
And particularly if they are going blind in their first mission it is almost impossible that someone - even the guy who was scare to die because he didnt know which way is up - should ask: "Captain, shouldnt we practice what we gonna do if the nav system fail?". The commander would kill this guy, but in the back of his mind he would go "thats right, we should look for alternatives". I mean even for planes today a good part of the training is what to do when systems fail.
@@mustavogaia2655 It seems that they are... One side manages to go to planet, find and attack targets, land cavalry and so on. Other side stands still because they don't know up form down. It seems unlikely that new Destroyers have worse navigational equipment then resistance fighters. But movie shows us exact this.
How does one even explain the practicality of landing HORSES on a floating ship?
That is literally the modern equivalent of landing jeeps on an aircraft carrier as a means of boarding
Lol.
After the Darth Jar Jar theory I gotta say i feel like "Jar Jar" Abrams just insults Jar Jar.
"who are you?"
"Hello"
"hello who?"
"hello there"
"general Kenobi!"
12:16 the republic had clones equipped with jet packs during the clone wars and the mandalorians have had them sense the mandalorian war which was part of the old republic period which ended 10,000 years before the prequels.
The Mandalorian War was 3,900bby. Not 10,000bby. But yeah
@@corruptangel6793 thanks for the clarification. like you said my point still stands. frankly it seems like this is something that would pretty common place by this point. the tactical flexibility it gives you is crazy especially sense it's a true jet pack not a jump pack.
@@seanmac1793 the justification they'll use is that we've never seen grunts use jetpacks in the movies. And the vast majority of audiences only have movie info to go on as, I'd say at *least* 60-70% of audiences never look into the external material. So from a movie only standpoint, only Boba and Jango, two badass mercs using what is very likely custom gear, have ever used Jetpacks.
That's still a stupid justification however as that means that they expect us to believe the military wouldn't jump on and abuse the shit out of that kind of technology. Especially since we know from Jango and Boba that it works
@@corruptangel6793 they do show some clones with them in Attack of Clones and the Seps have modified B2 with jet packs so yeah it's pretty weak justification.
@@corruptangel6793 Acutally was 11,000 when the Republic Rocket Jumpers were formed which is where the first Jetpacks were used.
Yeah, that opening sequence really is incredibly dumb. Imagine if sometime during the 1960s, Hitler sent out a worldwide broadcast announcing he faked his death and has reconsolidated his power as the Fourth Reich at a secret base in Argentina or Antarctica, and will be launching a worldwide attack imminently.
Instead of heading down into a COG nuclear bunker to conduct the war from, either JFK or Nikita Kruschev jump on a private plane without any of their protective staffs, and swing down to Argentina to go to Hitler's house and see what he's talking about.
The sequel trilogy makes that one movie about space nazis look realistic.
The dead speak! The galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late ADOLF HITLER
JJ Abrams in all his glorious military intelligence:
We go from point A to point B, and then from point B to point C, and we will do this as quickly and stupid as possible.
Star Wars fans:
I have a bad feeling about this.
A drop in a sea: When resistance ships arrive, general Pryde orders his ships to fire ion cannons, the weapons generaly considered to be disabling, not lethal directly. As the star destroyers open fire, we see rebel fleet take regular damage. The reason is, in my humble opinion, either that there was a shift in ion technology, or that Pryde has no actual power to command the fleet, which I find rather amusing.
I just think the writers never understood SW space combat. Kylo takes a regular TIE ln to that secret sith planet when they dont have hyperdrives and the ship has been sitting in a wet waterlogged husk for 30 years after crashing from space.
@@NYG5 My overarching theory is that the writers remember less and less. At first it was kind of ok, then they started to forget things from original trilogy, like characters... character? Something like that. Then they started to forget the prequels, like character motivation and behaviour. And lastly they started to forget the sequels too, because oh boy are they inconsistent. And you can see this gradual loss of memory through the disney saga.
@@dakar0011 Less remember less, more just...do whatever they need to get the plot moving because of the sheer weight of CRAP thats been dumped on it.
Emperor palpatine announcing his existence to the galaxy and announcing he is going to invade is the equivalent of Hitler right before the start of world war 2 announcing to the world " hey I'm going to invade Poland and start a world war, no on try to stop me okay" and losing the element of surprise that made the blitzkrieg so effective.
Technically it was France and Britain that turned it into a world war. Uncle Hitler didn't want to engage in a war with those powers, Communism and reclamation of the imperial or German ethnic territory was the main goal.
@@scutumfidelis1436 oh I know don't worry, but I'm just trying to use it as a comparison
@@scutumfidelis1436 no Hitler want to invade France for revenge of ww1 and wersails( i dont now how ti write It)
More like before Barbarossa but yeah your point is valid.
@@Randisides Well the thing is Operation Barbarossa was more tactically sound. I mean the logistics you need in order take over the entire galaxy which is 120,000 lightyears in diameter and you 7 dwarf galaxies, 20 million sentient species and 1 billion inhabited planets with only 1,000 Star Destroyers in 16 hours from a single planet is borderline impossible due to how staggering they would be. Realistic I would expect the Star Destroyers would running back and forth between several planets in a manner where you hear the Benny Hill Theme.
The jetpack isn't a recent innovation since mandalorians are a thing.
Which just makes no sense, considering that the Mandalorians worked with the Empire, and THEY had jetpack stormtroopers.
"They fly now?" "You were a Stormtrooper and you didn't know that?"
@@aussiepuppet5250 one guy on the Internet said that was because the jet troopers are top secret jump troopers in star wars are basic infantry
*Count Dooku voice:* I've been looking forward to this.
Memes aside, a belated happy new years to you, m'lord. Glad to have you back.
The flagship was actually a different model of ship, and was actually a Star Battlecruiser. It didn't have the planet killer cannon and the bridge was not exposed, so neither suicidal tactics would have worked.
But landing troops on the side is still stupid.
wonder how it was even able to fit perfectly in the line of star destroyers when the resistance came
First Rule of Bad Robot writing: Make previously established characters look bad so our super-bland characters look better by comparison. See Star Trek Discovery for more details.
I'm so upset at how accurate this is
Earthstar Review I'm upset those ass clowns weaseled their way into renewing their contract.
Star wars movies:
They flop now
They flop now?
They flop now!
I want a shirt that reads “Cancel the pub crawl; it’s time for war!” 😂😂
Why does the stormtrooper's speeders have wheels?
Toy sales
The ships are staying there using propulsion systems that need to be pointed un the opposute direction of gravity. How do they not know which way is down?
Precisely. That's like as if I was standing on the ground with my two feet, and when someone asked me which direction the ground was, I told them I didn't know and I had to check my phone's accelerometer to tell me.
You know you think a ship that big would have like some kinda beacons like on life pods that they could oh idk launch a few empty ones and follow the ones that keep moving?
wert1234576 life pods, thousands of TIE fighters, probably even more things that could just fall with gravity.
The possibilities are nearly endless
You can just Spit on the ground and know witch way is down. That the laziest excuse i ever heard
I guess the 1st order forgot how to look out a window.
Finn: “Come on that move is 1 in 1 million”
Me: Yeah it is, One X-Wing... could destroy about a million of those things in a formation like that, what’s bad about that do you want 2 million destroyed?
My predictions for weapon improvements on nex t episodes: ep X: TIE figther with deathstar tech; ep XI: Stormtrooper blaster with deathstar tech; ep XII: an app - DeathstR - one swipe left and the Emperor - yep still alive - destroy a planet.
I said the exact same thing lol! (not exact, but very simaller)
EP XIII: “Alexa, destroy the planet _______________.”
* Ding ding * “Okay.”
@@colebuckon3856 for sure the emperor would take advantage of amazon prime to blow up the planet in less than 24 hours - because amazon drones know what way is up.
The thing about the Death Star superlaser on Star Destroyers was they first appeared in the EU comic Dark Empire. The difference was that minimum you need a 8 mile long Star Dreadnought to mount a superlaser and it didn't blow up the planet they killed everything one the surface and split open the planet's crust.
@@emberfist8347 And if that was the benchmark for destroying a planet, then there was literally no reason to create such expensive weapons systems when a hyperspace-accelerated small ship could do the same for a fraction of the cost.
As much as they are trying to downplay the Holdo Maneouver, it still blew the door wide open on the concept of relativistic ballistic weaponry in the SW universe, and you can't just stuff that cat back into the bag by handwaving it in the next movie. I have seen people do the math on blogs: a ship the size of the Millennium Falcon (not a huge vessel by any means) accelerated to just a fraction of lightspeed, could easily cause an impact big enough to rival the one that lead to the K-T mass extinction on Earth. Accelerate it a fraction more, and you can crack the crust. Accelerate it just a bit more, and you can blow a hole right down to the mantle.
There is a reason why mass drivers are some of the scariest weapons in hard SF settings, and why they are usually ignored in more fantastical works, lest everything would devolve into space-faring civilizations flinging comparatively small projectiles at each other from light-seconds away.
"If one person chose to take on an entire military force, that would be a stupid decision"
That depends on the balance of power. Master Chief vs 3 Roman Legions would not be a bad fight to pick. Or Vader vs them for that matter.
That is an unfair comparison.
The difference in tech and magic makes that easy.
@@marrqi7wini54
ITS one vs 15,000 men. Yeah it's Master Chief and DARTH VADER but that's still a lot of men.
@@revantobias8567 TBH, both would have their issues through sheer numbers. Albiet I dont think either would be dumb enough to stick around and face em all.
Chief sure as hell wouldnt.
"Quantity has a quality all its own", you might say.
@Killer Orca that and im pretty sure vader could 100% take them all on if he wanted to. There was one time he was completely surrounded by a rebel army, easily numbering in the thousands with armored support. And he won by detonating all their thermal detonators with the force.
I'm not sure I can articulate just how aghast I was at the endless parade of madness that filled this movie. Say what you will about the prequels, at least they were articulate, boring perhaps but perfectly understandable. This was just pure gibberish. Why does anyone do anything? "Because it wooks pwetty," seems to be the general answer. My moment of "Nope, fuck this, I'm done," was the design of the new star destroyers though. Just... just why? In fact, that's the best word to describe this whole train wreck, "Why?"
For more information on my opinion, please turn your attention to A.M.'s speech at the beginning of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream."
How long has it been since you legit watched the prequels. Have you been corrupted by 2016 youtube. Anyway yeah sequels trash, it looks pwetty gibberish trash its trash its trash and dont forget its trash pwetty
@@SpiffoGaming Not that long actually, though last time I was watching them on mute (long story, but I do recommend it actually). But if I'm being honest, I do genuinely like Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith, but that comes with the qualifier that there's a boatload of nostalgic good memories associated with them. I still mock them mercilessly at every turn. It just feels like the sequels seem more tragic than funny.
@@CrescentGuard I wish someone would make a silent film fan edit for the Prequels. Get rid of the dialogue but keep the soundtrack. They could even do the pause, show dialogue, then continue scene thing that the original silent films did and use that to fix the dialogue by replacing the original with the novel's or the editor's own
@@SpiffoGaming You know your argument falls apart when can't even spell. The Prequels are good and I can say that because I have watched for a long time.
"why?"
- Because toxic basic B reylo shippers are dumber than dog poop and they are Disney's core demographic.
I'm honestly not sure how that many Resistance ships popped up near Exegol. The passage to there is shown to be extremely tight and requiring the ability to pull off immensely precise and narrow turns. Few of these ships are small enough to fit and most would likely have crashed and been destroyed on the journey through.
Roll 10 degrees? ISDs have artificial gravity, don't they? Just flip the dang thing upside down.
They literally popped out of the ground by going up. Just set the coordinates to the last saved movement and punch it, that's it, not to mention EVERY VESSEL WITH 3D MOVEMENT EVER has X, Y and Z axis' programmed. Just set the engines to Y and go fast boyeo it's not like a plane that has to care about aerodynamics this is a submarine/helicopter deal, just push Y, that's it, it's harder to program a ship that DOESN'T know that!
I hate to "protect" the sequel logic but I don´t think Artificial gravity works with natural gravity. Tilting the ship though is just as easy.
@@littlejohnny41 interesting concept. I never thought of that
Or just hyperspace it, speaking of this, why didnt the final order hyperspace rammed the entire fleet of ships in such a stupid tight formation
@@alternative915 well this is just another plot hole. Because according to the NEW books, you can't enter hyperspace so close to a planet. Because of the planets gravity well. But they do it in the movies all the time.
I would love to see some military analyses of some of the battles from the Clone Wars tv show. Such as the battle of Umbara, or the assault on the Ryloth blockade. The show employs some interesting and imaginative tactics at times, and im sire there are a few foolish tactics in there as well to mix things up. Continue your good work, Lord Emperor.
Eckhartsladder, Generation Tech, and Geetsly have you covered.
@@mill2712Sure, but the Lord Emperor has a specific style.
Their biggest mistake was thinking those traitor clones could kill a great master like Pong Krell…
Remember when Palpatine ultimate goal was just to live out his fetish of blowing up planets and not using that tech as a means to an end.
That was never his goal. His goal was using that stuff as a means to an end. The Death Star was based on a similar principle to Mutually Assured Destruction. You build a weapon that can blow up planets, make pubic demonstration to show that are not afraid to use it, and then watch as all the galaxy submits to you for fear of global annihilation. At least that was how it was supposed to work not what actually happened.
The point I was trying to make is these writers seem to think that the only tension a star wars movie can have is if a planet killer is involved and I'm just sick and tired of them.
I can only imagine Final Order Admirals screaming at each other to find out where up is only for the tower to broadcast something like ''look at the ceiling, that's up''
Or just like hey guys remember how you came out of the ice just keep doing that and you be fine
Ray starts levitating.
"They fly now!?!"
They fly now!
THEY FLY NOW
Having just thought of it, doesn’t the light speed ram or “holdo maneuver” break a key plot point in the force awakens? To get into star killer base the Millennium Falcon must use light speed to pass through the base shields. And the only reason this works is because light speed has been treated as something like a separate dimension, the holdo maneuver changes the nature of hyperspace from a separate dimension or space, to simply just going at an extremely high speed.
yup because it's insanly dumb and just lore breaking
It breaks lore because of other reasons, the force awakens does break lore there to, but only really in that rhe gravity should have kicked it out of flight before reaching the shield, in that movie the plan was to time it in-between the incomprehensible small amount of time between on and off, similar to how a lightbulb flashes on and off rapidly about 100 times a second, now hyperspace is a diffrent dimension, however you don't fully enter it, you merely exist in both dimensions at the same time, so if a rock is in real space, then you hit it, the rock interacts with you as if you hit at your ships maximum real space speed, because while it's moving faster then it could normally, it's still moving at that speed when it comes to the math involved
It could be both. Ships entering light speed accelerate to ludicrous speeds before disappearing. Holdo may have hit the First Order at the moment before vanishing into the other dimension.
Q: So why did the 1st Order not know about the Emperor and the Final Order, then all of a sudden act like, "oh ... we have a new commander with a new military that is in charge of us now. Let's give up our power and follow their orders." ???
A: It's a mystery boooooox!!! 😃
Another missed opportunity to be honest.
More moderate First Order officers refusing loyalty to Palpatine and defecting to the resistance would actually be interesting.
A final battle with star destroyers fighting alongsids Mon Calamari cruisers against ancient Sith ships would be better than Y-Wings shooting ISD penises.
@@raptor9777 Weren't most of the First Order just survivors of the fall of the Empire? I'm not defending this train wreck but it does make sense that the FO would be totally behind the return of Palpatine. Plus the FO destroyed an entire system of planets so I don't think "moderate officers" can be applied to them.
Now, what would have been interesting, would be an Imperial Remnant type faction that was the defeated OT Empire that saw the FO as an extremist group. A reformed Empire that essentially got rid of all the bad sith stuff to make a proper Empire trying to do it's own thing separate from the sith/Palpatine
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 Yeah the First Order was made of former Imperial that fled to the unknown regions.
By moderate I was thinking similar to how you put it, former Imperials who saw thought that the Sith were responsible for the Empires downfall.
I do like the idea of there being a seperate moderate Imperial faction that opposes the First Order though.
Even if Palpatine didn't come back, having the Imperial Remnant and New Republic put their differences aside and join forces to stop the FO would be a much way to end the 'Skywalker Saga.'
@@raptor9777 honestly, I don´t think those kind of moderate officers would be in the FO in the first place.
25:33
Only because I like Leia and don't want her name besmirched, I would like to offer a possible explanation: Leia did send messages across the galaxy to round up a fleet to fight the Final Order. As you said later, it does seem suspicious that Lando could get such a huge fleet to assemble and coordinate, fully crewed, armed, and ready for combat, in such a short amount of time. I would suggest that Leia had already sent word around for people to prepare for this final battle, but to also stand by and wait for her signal, and Lando's broadcast was merely the signal those people were waiting for.
This is where the fun begins!
"Why didn't they used these jetpack design earlier?"
Because they need to negotiate for the rights to use jetpack from the Mando.
Nah that doesn´t work, the FO would just rip off the tech and then maybe pay damages later. Similar RL example is how the US was at war with Germany, but Springfield had to pay damages to Mauser for ripping their design off. If the first order would even care about Mandalorians I´d say that´s a more likely set of events. So back to 0, they didn´t use jetpacks to this point because the sequel trilogy is a trainwreck and filled with bad writing.
27:51
On top of all of that we also have to remember that the emperor also chose when he was going to set his plans into motion when he announced that he was alive in the first place,
He could have postponed the announcement and thus his plans if he truly needed more time for preparation.
This means that he believed that he had everything prepared in advance and overlooked the fact that his ships can’t navigate on their own.
It took over 42 years, but Palpatine has shown himself to be able to come up with plans even more complex and convoluted than Lex Luthor's plans.
> *Jar Jar* Abrams
_hmm_
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I know right? That is insulting to Jar Jar Binks
Not only the Admiral pryde flagship had the technology but was a First order ship, not a ship from the the emperors doit fleet. So that means that if a "common" ship could relay the signal IT'S VERY VERY SAFE TO ASSUME the rest of the Emperor's fleet could damn well relay the signal with ease
Dooku voice, "I've been looking forward to this."
What happened to the "Tarken" in your name?
Edit: Just realized "Grand Moff" is a title, my bad.
@@natetheskate9948 Not to worry, also this portrait is of Tarkin's successor, Grand Moff Ardus Kaine.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Ahhh, a fan of the EU.
@@natetheskate9948 Indeed. While not perfect and some of its elements were downright atrocious, many of its stories surpassed the films and certainly the new DisCan.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Read the Vader comics, they are amazing.
The resistance Y wings actually aren’t equipped with torpedoes according to the lore books, because why would a torpedo bomber be equipped with torpedos
Why God, WHY
Trevor Derringer because they wanted to bring Y-wings back but provide a reason why they weren’t used for bombing runs
Dread StarZ we never see a Y wing, or any fighter in that whole battle, fire a single torpedo, so it doesn’t count in my opinion
Dread StarZ assuming 1 torpedo per cannon, they are pretty fragile so yeah, and that none get shot down
Dread StarZ clearly Rey used her new force powers to teleport the guns away, along with all the competent pilots
The Star Destroyers could also use their surface cannons to take out the boarding party. Just be very careful and you won't damage another friendly or the ship.
And notice that they didnt even had to hit them, the shear intensity of a shot near the horses would disable them.
Just one turbo laser blast and they are all dead. Or a single bomb.
Or just tip the ship so they all fall to their doom
@@Cowboyking92 or just use light laser cannons to fire on them. Or use some dropships to land troops on the hull of the ship to pin the... cavalry down while other dropships hover overhead to get that overhead shot. All this fucking First Order tech we see and WOAH KEWL NEW STORMTROOPERS and it means nothing because theyre actions are so unbearably incompetent
They could've used the point defense laser cannons
Over 15 years ago, we had "The Clone War".
Now we have The "Clowns War"'.
Seriously. There's no tension, nor any sign of competence by anyone in these movies.
"Could Jar Jar Abrams be a lazy writer? No, no that couldn't be" I laughed so hard. Great video
the moment i heard the new army being titled the "final order" i immediately leaned over to my friend and said "that's wut i call a pizza being ordered at 11:50 on new years eve"
King emperor penguin uploads a video on Star Wars
Me: Long have I waited
Fun fact, the light speed Kamikaze from TLJ is the second time a ship goes light speed through another in the sequel trilogy. The First is the Millennium Falcon Going Light-speed through Han's Ship. They survive and we dont see the aftermath they left behind, but Id like to presume it was akin to admiral ballgown's in TLJ.
Kylo did go with an escort.
They all died in the space miasma even though all the rebel fleet didnt
That's rather convenient for the Poe and the rest of the Resistance.
@@kingemperorpenguin1 i supose the how will be a mystery...
J j Abrams:don’t worry, people are too dumb to notice.
@@santiagogallego8695 don't worry we'll find out in the book🙄
It's just like all rule in Star Wars are bend the knee to Rey the Mary Sue.
Rey hitting 3 TIE fighters in a row did not invoke admiration in this audience member.
When Battlefront 2 games makes more strategic sense than the films...
You're not wrong, buddy. You're not wrong.
Rush the objective with 2 guys while everyone else just goes for kills and the Maul fucking runs at the whole enemy team getting gunned down instantly. -average BF2 team strategy
"why would you broadcast your existence to the entire Galaxy?"
Emperor Valkorion: ...a true Emperor wouldn't.
The thing that saddens me most is that there are teenagers (and worse: gorwn adults) that love this Star Wars trilogy, defend it, and actually think it's good.
"It's pretty! It had lightsabers! It had fights! It had music! It was good, you downer!"
Lol, I'm a teenager, but I hated this movie. Its was filled with plotholes and Mary Sues.
@@imperialspecialforce5769 Thank you, Revan. You fill me with hope for the future. Carry forward the knowledge that the Force Awakens Trilogy sucked....you can be one of those that saves civilization from terrible movies with terrible messages that create terrible people.
Also...is your handle a reference to Darth Revan?
I'm a teen but I grew up watching the first 6 movies. When I watched Ep 7 I was just dumbfounded, I mean what happened to the New Republic is never mentioned. And holy God Emperor the plot holes and plot armour just hurts my soul.
@@somedandy7694 Why yes it is, thank you for noticing.
Teen here again, really disappointed when VII trailer came out it didn’t show yuzhan gong ships at the end
The ships can't navigate or tell which way is up, yet every ship is in perfect formation in the sky? I don't see any upside-down...
17:50. To be fair, the Sith assistant droid having all those secrets is just as valid as R2-D2 containing all those Republic military secrets in the Clone Wars
Yes, except that Anakin Skywalker, R2’s owner at the time, was already established as being extremely reckless when it came to anything related to military strategy. No such justification is given in TROS.
33:43 Exactly the first thing that came to my mind when watching. Plus, the admiral of the flagship actually saw the resistance ground assault team turning towards him. It would have been so funny if they would just kept switching between the tower and the flagship and having the resistance assault team would be flying between the two.
Starts sending " you are a bunch of numbskulls" using morse
I really hate JJ Abrams aesthetics: the super bright/dark colors, the lasers and lightsabers that look broken, the tons of cgi in front of monochrome backgrounds, etc. I'm unsure why people seem to like it. Many people did complain about the cgi in the battle of Coruscant, but at least it looked interesting and not too packed with bland backgrounds. People don't hate on the visuals in this movie like they did in the prequels because they already scapegoated Lucas. Though I'm sure in time Lucas will see an increasing amount of blame for the failures in this movie.
17:00 This right here is a great example of the J.J. aesthetics: look at the top of the ramp when they come charging out. All of a sudden after they shoot the stormtroopers there's a ton of flashing from inside the ship. Why? No idea. But it sure looks exciting!
J.J. Abrams' film style is the adult version of jangling keys in front of a baby.
It should also be noted, the Return of the Jedi, that the docking officers, even though the code checked out (Assuming computer said yeah this code is acceptable), recognized an older code, and reported it straight to Vader, and it was Vader that told the docking officers to let the shuttle through. That exchange, meant "oh damn that plan could have backfired and our heroes dead." It also showed, that not everyone in the empire knew what was being planned for the rebels, which is probably why Vader showed up the moment the shuttle was detected, to make sure the rebels got through just fine.
That exchange in RotJ really showed tension, and can draw out the question: Vader sensed Luke on the shuttle, why let the rebels through? What is the empire planning by such action? We were then given answers "It's a Trap," later that same movie.
We have no tension in Rise of Skywalker.
Actually the flagship of the first order was a resurgence battle cruiser and not a xyston class star destroyer so it didn’t have a cannon on the underbelly.
Also the flagship wouldn’t be destroyed if the main bridge was lost since it had a backup bridge.
This was one of the improvements that the first order did to their star destroyers.
Cool, I did not know that. But the other tower was still there, ready to be activated again.
Nate the Skate I know.
But what I was stating is that the flagship wouldn’t be able to be destroyed so easily
Do they have a second bridge crew just sitting around waiting for the first crew to be wiped out? Because if not, than how do they expect the bridge crew to survive a scenario where the bridge gets destroyed? Run at the first sign of trouble?
Why not just build better defences around the bridge? All they had to do was add a couple point defence canons around the bridge to shoot down any ships or missiles that would get past the shields and turbolasers.
@Corrupt Angel actually yes they are constantly manned and on standby to assume control at any loss of control from the primary bridge, also they did massively increase the defenses for the primary bridge adding dedicated deflector shield generator and point turrets to the bridge/conning tower and the backup bridge is located inside the hull under the armor. Apparently someone forgot to tell the writers of Rise what the other writers had put in the technical manuals and supplemental writing, the ones officially licensed by Lucasfilm.
So, the ship will not be taken out when she looses the bridge. Like for example, from a hacked (maybe turbo, idk) lazer turret turned to it. Which is what happened. And the ship crashed.
"Why are there only two stormtroopers investigating the ship?"
Because no one wanted to be an extra in this movie.
They'd just CGI more of them. They're just plastic anyway, so probably wouldn't even look out of place.
I had another thought on the boarding they use anti fighter weapons or flak looking guns aim at the resistance I am imagining a ww1 sequence with a machine gun mauling the resistance lol
Reaistance: uae horses to charge against he heavily fortified enemy weapon emplacements!
Ever WW1 soldier ever: *"the great fuckup" flashbacks intensify*
Just have like, that saving private Ryan shot from over the shoulder of the *Final Order* troopers as the resistance ramp drops, just go last samurai on their cavalry. Theres kind of a reason we went "there has to be a better way to get across this ground" and made up tanks in *our* time.
@@98765zach No First Order/Sith Eternal troopers have heavy support weapons I guess? To be entirely fair their equivilent of a machine gun is basically the E-WEB and that thing takes like 5 minutes to cart around and set up.
"One person can not take on an entire military force by himself, no matter how exceptional he may be"
- Guts would like to know your location
Guts never defeated an army by himself. The closest thing was the battle after falling off the cliff with Caska when he is said to have defeated a company of undisciplined mercenaries, and only because they apparently attacked in small squadrons over the entire ** night. And he survived only with the help of thick plot armor (most of the fighting happens "off screen" and is implied more than shown. And is also clear that a dozen archers/crossbowmen attacking in formation would have been enough to kill him). Most of the times he went berserk in the battlefield, it was only to stall for time until his allies rally around the place and rout the remaining foes and in general he is better suited for boss fights rather than a lot of normal soldiers.
Star Wars: The Rise of Convenience
It felt really video gamey when Kylo went out on his own. Like Swtor, when you become Emperor of the Eternal Alliance. Then you end up doing all of the dirty work for the alliance. Like don’t you have Troops and ships for that?
Looking at those "motorcycles" in slow motion, it looks like they have hovering parts in the back; the only visible treading is in the front. So not only are they a tracked vehicle in a world where replusors are common as dirt, but they're -hybrids- which makes even less sense. Why on earth would you build a vehicle with both?
Being attached to the ground is good for stopping and general manoeuvres, that's why hovercraft are such a pain in the rear to drive. Of course star wars has never shown hovering vehicles to have those real world problems (unless they are damaged) being shown consistently stopping and making sharp turns with no problems. So to quote Yogurt from spaceballs \merchandise/ It's probably the only reason that makes any kind of sense.
“Frist Order”... Yes, I agree. They are so pitiful that they deserve having their name to be misspelled.
There is little point in analysing the Military Tactics in this film, as none of it made sense to begin with. It comes off as folowing Dream Logic. Anything happens at any moment.
the people behind the Sequel films don't understand basic military tactics or logic.
Been that way since the first movies really.
@Teemu Christensen First Star Wars movie. Technically. The trench run, as its shown in the movie, has a few glaring weaknesses in its operation, but Legends helped to fill that out.
I love how Emperor Do It casts like Chain Lightning as a 100th level caster
The Emperor also was alive when the Malevolence was destroyed, which is a very similar case as its weak point also were the most powerful weapon systems.
but even the Malevolence could survive the destruction of its weapon system
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Yeah that ship took a pounding afterwards from a fleet of venators and star fighters and bombers and kept going, it had to be blown up from inside i think in the end to destroy it.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Actually Anakin had to reprogram the ship's navicomputer to cause to ram into a moon at light-speed. On a related note, that further proves why the ram from the last movie wouldn't have worked because Malevolence didn't crash into the moon and split it apart it just impacted on the surface.
@@emberfist8347 it did not lightspeed into the moon.... it just ran unto it.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 No it made a hyperspace jump into the moon watch the episode again.
According to the visual encylopedia - Is the excuse for everything in RoS
What I want to know is why both Finn (a janitor) and Poe (A non-imperial/sith) know so much about a planet no one ever knew existed and a fleet they never knew was built.
1:48 "one person cannot take on an entire military force by himself"
What about that one finnish sniper who took out like 500 russians by himself?
(jk i know he didnt go up against the ENTIRE russian militray but it was ment as a joke:/ )
I now imagine Rey sniping Star Destroyers.😂
Well Simo Haya was a master sniper. He had the benefit of camouflage and mastering the ability to pick of targets without using scoped rifle (because the scope tends to reflect life and a glint that soldiers use to identify snipers.)
Take a clock. A clock is made up of a lot of components. Like a gear. Simo Hayaha was a gear. Not just any gear though, the gear to end all gears. A supergear. The Ubergear. An ultra gear the likes of which have not been seen before or since. But a gear is not a clock. (This explanation was unnecessary but I wanted to pontificate lol)
Simo also usually was part of a Finnish ski patrol, as backup wherever he went.
@@priamneville5899 But was he able to surpass Metal Gear?
Me reacting to him saying Jake Skywalker: Ok this is not allowed, but for now, you shall live as you called JJ as “Jar Jar Abrams”.
Trying to make sense of either TLJ or TROS is both an exercise in futility and more than either deserves.
Disney: *Does anything.*
Star Wars: Am I a joke to you?