Between Two Cars: Audi A4 2.0TFSI vs Audi S4 V6 3.0TFSI // Revo
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2017
- We took the latest Revo B9 A4 & S4 development vehicles to a private proving ground and put them head to head. A stock S4 with 354PS up against the B9 Audi A4 2.0 TFSI with Revo Stage 1 Software; +54PS and +48LBFT over stock and a whole lot more fun to drive.
Fuel: Shell vPower 99RON
Tyres: Road
Track: Dry/Damp
Note: During development dyno testing, the Audi A4 B9 displayed consistently higher power and torque than quoted by the manufacturer of 252BHP & 274LBFT. Actual stock figures seen were 286BHP 290LBFT.
More information and graphs available here: goo.gl/wXE3MW - Авто та транспорт
Hmmm.... Is it just me or does this look suspect because they don't show the whole race from beginning to end?
Its possible because of couple of reasons, the main reason is gear box software update. With remap A4 should be able to reach ~-280-320hp. Add the lighter chassis, and it is in the range of power/weight ratio to S4.
Now the main thing is the proper gearbox remap after the engine was tuned. If they adjusted the gearbox properly it is possible to beat stock S4.
S4 engine might have more power, but that power is achieved at different engine speeds and that is limited by the gearbox. A4 was tuned to drop the gears at peak power/torque. You can tune a lot of weaker cars to outperform the stronger ones, simply by adjusting the gearbox. In majority of the cases the problem is the reliability and fuel economy on the normal driving conditions as well. And while you can tune the engine, a lot of the cases gearbox becomes the bottleneck especially the automatic gearbox if it is tunable, then its good, but some of those are not tunable...
And as for A4, even adding a downpipe alone will give you extra 20-30 horses.
bahaha what crap. 4.9 second 0-60 for the S4?! LOL that is BY FAR the slowest 0-60 time I've seen ANYONE report for the S4. Manufacturer claims 4.4 is a *conservative* number on the S4 0-60. Most times I've seen reported on the forums are 4.1-4.5. This video is Revo trying to sell their product.
madbowler6 conspicuous, at best marketing ploy
They are developing the software for the B9 S4 (this being their test car), however, have a look at Chris harris on Cars and see what they did with his older B8 S4 - interesting, although it was supercharged in that version as opposed to the current 'polar bear friendly' version in the B9. 4.4s to 60 is the fastest reliable time I've seen (you've probably seen others), but I've also seen 5.1s 0-60 for the stock 2.0 TFSI, which is eminently tuneable (so they say....).
@@sausageseggandchips "but I've also seen 5.1s 0-60 for the stock 2.0 TFSI" I own one of these (s line 2.0 tfsi saloon) and I can confirm for sure that a 5.1 sec 0-60 is very doable as stock. Thinking of a Revo map but unsure how this affects my warranty/insurance - can it be quickly removed? Anyone know?
@@MayaGuytutorials Yeah - the warranty/insurance is a potential headache but the Revo tunes can be removed and re-installed by them (or their authorised installers) I understand if you need to take the car into Audi - I'm not an expert so unsure if they can ever tell. When I wrote the above I had a B9 Avant 2.0 TFSI, I've now got the B9 S4 Avant. Great car.
@@MayaGuytutorials I have to laugh at myself slightly..... I chopped in my own 2.0 TFSI for an S4 avant. Night and day, good car. These ECUs are now unlocked, just had it stage 1 mapped by SA Tuning, 410 hp and 630 Nm - no idea of the 0-60 (or 0-100 km/h) but it's much, much quicker, and with a Milltek exhaust sounds very good. The guy that runs SA Tuning has his own S4 up to around 560hp with a bolt-on hybrid turbo, tempting....
4.9s on the S4 isn't the best run I've seen, but people don't seem to understand the power of weight difference. That A4 could be like 200lbs lighter. A bigger engine doesn't automatically equate to better performance. A tuned S4 is a different story, but it's not that surprising at all to see a tuned A4 beat a stock S4 due to difference in weight and optimized timing/power delivery.
The 4.9 0 to 60 is no launch control. It gets 4.2ish with LC. Not sure why they didn’t use it
@@rohinhans7819 it starts with m and ends with arketing
who was driving the s4? fred Flintstone
😂😂😂😂😂
S4 does 4.3 sec to 60 mph and quarter in 12.6 secs. stock..... you did not launch properly, maybe it was on purpose so your product would look better. But anyway, very impressive numbers for the A4.
Ricardo Jr Vaughan Agreed although it does appear the A4 held its own S4 did not appear to be gaining. Also curious about A4 avant weight compared to S4 sedan.
s4 has a v6 which weighs a hell of alot more than the 4 cyl in the a4
Yeah its at least 4.4 so something went wrong. I have a 2014 which does 0-60 in 4.4 so the B9 should be at least that quick with more power.
B9 S4 does not have launch control due to the ZF transmission.
Wroong
how did the DL382 handle with more than 400nm？ is it safe ? As I know, the max is 400NM for DL382
Hi, i got the 7speed s tronic in my car aswell, it can handle up to about 550nm, got a 2liter diesel with 440nm stage 1, changes gear without any problems at all.
Not problems at all... 500NM+
1.9TDI 0-60MPH : 3.9(s)
please can you advise where the B9 S4 Revo upgrade is up to please?
Still, something we are working on. The encryption on the MG1 ECU's was only broken around 4 months ago and we are now working on OBD flashing as currently, the only other solutions on the market is to bench read and write and the ECU. We are looking for a safe OBD software solution. We will let you know when we have something available.
Just for reference my B9 S4 stage 2 does 11.3@121 MPH and 0-60 in 3.3 on the road full weight.
"Software; +54PS and +48LBFT over stock" - vid claims 81bhp and 65lbft. Are the figures you stated entry level results (low octane fuel etc) and the vid figures best case?
Good results from the sleeper A4 though. Is this a revised 2.0T VAG lump over the 7 GTI/S1 power plant?
During development dyno testing, the Audi A4 B9 displayed consistently higher power and torque than quoted by the manufacturer of 252BHP & 274LBFT. Actual stock figures seen were 286BHP 290LBFT. We quote the manufacturers power figures for consistency but felt it was important to highlight the additional power as standard.
A4 1.4 TFSI Revo vs A4 2.0 TFSI Stock
George moore 1.0 TFSI Revo vs 1.4 TFSI
0:47 We‘ll be right back. 😂
Really nice
Thanks a lot
Hi, I was wondering if you can help me. I have an Audi A4 2020 2.0 T 40 TSFI quattro. I want to tune it but I'm wondering how it works because the Audi A4 2.0 T 45 TSFI quattro to my understanding has the exact same engine but its electronically more limited by Audi. Can I tune the 40 TFSI to the same potential as an 45 TSFI ? I was going to buy the IE ECU Stage 1.
Hi, do you have the Mild Hybrid version A4?
Is difrent engine
0-100 km/h 4.3 sec A4 B9 in Russia
I'm impressed! But the wagon supposed to be heavier than the sedan right? So if it was sedan to sedan, the 2.0 will pull further, am I right?
The avant is 80kg lighter
mondo odnom what?!!
lighter engine
mondo odnom he means for 2.0, that avant is heavier than sedan.
Steff 👌🏼exactly
B9 Stage 2 ever coming?
How about audi a4 b9 3.0 tdi 272bhp? it would be interesting to put this again new RS4
We don't do software for either yet but would be a good race. We do software for the 3.0TDI in other vehicles and the torque gains are huge. Check out our Amarok V6 video :)
How come 3 years later the stage 1 for the Audi S4 is still in development? I’m guessing you guys aren’t developing a Stage 1
Yes we still have our S4 and development software. There was around a 2 year wait for any tuner due to the new MG1 ECU and encryption. As we use our own tooling and software to flash vehicles we have been developing tooling to allow our dealers to safely flash these types of ECU's. Add in covid and delays this has caused us over the last 14 months. However, it's in the final stages and hopefully we can give you updates very soon.
@@RevoHQ ah that’s good to hear. Not being a shitty customer just wondered cause I know a lot of ‘In development’ tunes get cancelled due to lack of demand. Good to hear
I have question too. When u will have software for 2.0 tdi, 150hp and 340nm Skoda SuperbIII /VW Passat b8. Still not have any software about this model, just have for Golf/Octavia/Leon 2.0 tdi 150hp and 320nm. Its different model this engine with 340nm from this 320nm or what?
So nothing about Superb 2.0 tdi 150hp and 340nm? Then I don`h have any choice but to take some more expensive power box.
You should go for the ECU tuning... where are you from?
Are u joke me? Of course I ask about software for ECU tuning. But if u open official web site of REVO nothing have for Passat B8 or Superb 3, 2.0tdi with 150hp have 340nm . Its in "development" long time, and I don`t know when it will finish this "development".
@@filip1592 It's all done to ECU ID and software versions. We would also advise calling into your local Revo dealer and they will be able to confirm whats available for your specific vehicle.
Ok this could be a real race lots of people saying it's fake. The driver makes all the difference. They should have done multiple races while switching drivers.
Great video showing small incremental but effective results
I get a brand new S4 in February, how long until the stage 1 software that's in development will be released
Hi @bobmills666 we are currently working on the S4 software. It's a new ECU type so don't have a confirmed ETA just yet.
What was the quarter mile for both??
My friends A4 stage 2 beat a RS4.
Quite hilarious the guy said that he needed fresher oil and gas
B9 Stage II?
eeiko321 yeah but it was from another brand
I remember he put a shit ton of new bolt ons and some new exhaust tings
where i can find REVO in italy?
Lots of Revo Authorised Dealers in Italy. You can find them all here: onlyrevo.com/dealer-locator
Thank you
I got a B8.5 Stage 2 with down pipe and E85 and I think it can do about the same as the B9...
b9 is not faster than b8 - both tunes about the same as well
I know which car idd choose.
nice work guys
S4 gearbox D mode, 2.0 tfsi Sport mode.
Bruh I just came across this video but what 4.9 for a b9😂😂. My b8.5 s5 does 4.5. and a b9 usually runs 4.2
Music is hilarious at the finish line.
Sounds like department store muzak!!!
Did yall get detuned version of S4 or something? People doing 4.2 in those, stock...Yikes.
Driver, tyres and surface all play a part. The cars we both timed using a vbox and the best we could get on the day was 4.9s (corrected) 0-60mph.
@@RevoHQ cmon, its BS. Ur vid is a cheat, bad launch of S4 and the driver didnt stand in the trottle.
In real life there is no any chance for A4 with ur st1 vs S4!
@@nicksss7957 We would only have unhappy A4 stage 1 customers if this wasn't real life. All of them are very happy with our software for the 2.0 TFSI 252PS model. The S4 doesn't have full launch control like the A4. And yes the A4 won time and time again. This wasn't just a single run. The Times at the end of the video are averaged over multiple runs and timed using Racelogic Vbox (like all our performance times to keep consistency) and corrected for slope etc.
We have an American customer who ran a 12.7s 1/4mile in his Stage 1 A4, and an 11.96s at Stage 2 in the heat in California. It's impressive for 2.0 TFSI A4 on pump fuel. With 99ron and 102ron European fuels and colder ambient temps, you could see improvements on these too. More proof that software can make impressive gains even compared to an S4 :)
Will be very different when we release software for the S4. It's our own development car so very excited to see its full potential as we have had it over 3 years. And it does have all the extras including massage seats, which will add to the curb weight.
Uh huh...right.
Look$ legit revo. I was planning to drop a stage 1 on my jetta 2.0T, howeva i just noted how you work.
S4 owners will hate this and say it's fake bs but it's totally possible, the S4 is stock and the A4 is stage 1 tuned and lighter those 2.0tfsi engines change into a different beast when tuned, obviously if the S4 was stage 1 tuned it would be a different story
I'm so confused your telling me the a4 2.0t beat the S4?
Yes, stock S4 vs Revo Stage 2 A4, the A4 won. Obviously the S4 with our software on, it becomes a different story.
@@RevoHQ true I have a a4 2016 shoot might have to look into this I want that power 🔥🏁
@@RevoHQ In the vid it says that the A4 is stage 1 and stage 2 is in development. Can you please confirm that your Stage 1 2.0 TFSI tune is good for sub 5second 0-60 ?
Love false advertising. Even on your website it says 304ps not 333.
Usually, cars dyno figures are around the same as what the manufactures quote. However, During testing and development, the stock performance was a lot higher than the manufacturer's quoted 252PS & 370NM. Which meant we saw peak stage 1 figures of 333BHP & 450NM. But to give more realistic figures, which will vary from dyno to dyno we used the manufacture figures and added on average gains which gives you the 290-316PS & 411-435NM we use on the website. You may see higher figures as we did, but using the gains rather than just peak numbers gives a more realistic indication as our website always uses the stock manufacture figures.
На s ке нужен st1
all for the sale guys. all for the fucking sales.
Excuse me!!! I don't understand😅
Так в чём прикол!???
revo tell me please what is the limit of torque for the gearbox from 2.0tfsi b9? gearbox code is DL382-7Q ...please tell me
Saw someone write 500+nm, but no one knows if that's true. Ask some Audi engineer maybe
the limit is 400 NM . just let u know
A4 quattro??
Yes
I have about 450hp with inexpensive tune on my B8. Cost around 1100 and getting a dsg tune soon for about 400.
Your DSG box will sh1t itself very soon.
Come on really
Yup.
Is that A4 on Torsen or Quattro Ultra?
no, it;s Ultra as it is 2.0 TFSI 252 PS
@@marcinbrzozowski7155 252HP is the torsen one . witch 265 HP is quattro ultra
Thats a lot more juice on just a remap.... good work audi
Assume the b9 and b8 would make similar figures the 2.0 tfsi ?
as well as the A4 got a head-start. Revo trying to fool people LOL
Ppl are funny weather condition and elevation is always a factor . REVO I have heard nothing negative about your company
A4 beating a S4? doubt that!
It's think it's possible stock S4 and stage 1 A4 the 2.0tfsi are quick when tuned also probably lighter than a v6 S4
@NutriFIT nutritie si fitnes I would of thought the S4 once she got moving would of at least started gaining & finished alot closer but she just sat there? I think it's a little suspect.
Bollocks what a load of Bull.
A kombi with 20hp less power and 2 cylinders in minus is faster than S4...how lame cand this statement be?
AWESOME!!!
6 cylinders is always better than 4.
Hubert Jadczak not necessarily
Hello Jerry ALWAYS and it is out of discussion.
lol yeah alright kid. you need to learn a thing or two
"kid"? I bet I could be your father.
Hubert Jadczak wrx sti 4 but beat v6 and v8 material quality is better Cos u can boost as hell :)
no way
LOL 4.9s S4??? Did you even launch it with amax? 😂💀
They didn’t do a good launch on the s4; it can do 0-60 in 4.4.
Avant has weight advantage
Correct, around 90-100kg lighter
Hahahaha, epic, I love it. Sleeper of note!
This video is complete bs! #1 the white car took off 1st! I own a 2018 B9 S4 & it definitely doesn’t run 0-60 in 4.9 secs! Run a V-Box in both cars & show the data. Men lie, women lie, #’s don’t! I would never buy your product or subscribe to your channel if this is how you choose to swindle business...
They didn’t launch together. If s4 has morge power and torque than how 2.0 could win? Bullshit
The A4 is lighter than the S4. The A4 also has full launch control and Revo software.
jesus
omg，why is 2.0t win？
Because Revo :)
Dude my friends S4 Pushes 425 HP and a 3.4 second 0-60 ok lmao like I love wagons but come on
Sorry dont believe that for a second
the b9 s4 is really a disappointment. If you want excitement, you want the supercharger, the instant torque, the ease of a pulley upgrade to bump up the power by triple digits. The two things that made the S4 awesome (since the departure from the v8 long ago, which we all have mixed emotions about) were the supercharger and the dual clutch. The b9 not only forgoes the supercharger for a laid back turbo but also comes with a manual or a mushy automatic, meaning any stock b9 will be less than exhilarating. Unfortunate. On the other hand, it's great to see REVO putting down some good numbers with a grocery getter a4.
This comment is pure and utter BS.
WTF HAPPENED HERE HOW!!!
Hurry up guys, buy a revo to ur audi ))))
We are working on it. Still working on a safe way to OBD flash the MG1 ECU's. At the moment they are only bench read and write.
4.29 sec come on
Oszukaństwo jak 150 promocja małych silników
So it makes 30 less hp and 30 less tq and won because it's stage 1 .... 🤔
factor weight?
Woow I wasn't expecting that daaamn 2.0t are fast
2.0tfsi tsi engine are very good !
Not the Gen II EA888
Except the Sound.
Wow a tuned car is faster than the stock car. Imagine that!
Top ❤
Lool
Why is 2.0t win😭😭😭😭😭
Powered by Revo ;)
That is fucked up.
people who buys the s4 because they think its a better version of a a4 is a clown
To be fair the interior of our S4 is amazing compared to the A4, and once we get software finalised for the MG1 ECU in the S4, then there is no way the A4 will keep up.
I have a peugeot 308 with 298hp I think on track I'm the best and on open way too with traffic
This is trap. My wife has S4 and I have A4 allroad 8.5, APR tune, I smoke the S4 all day
Fake
You are a big liar 🤣
Wtf was that nonsense....
Fake News :D
If only. Lots of very happy Revo A4 customers :)
What world do you live in? This is complete bullshit. My '18 stock S4 does 0-60mph, without tune, in 4.2s - 4.4s, every-single-time. Since the chip tune is in, it does it in 3.8s-4.0s, every-single-time. Liars.
That was the best time on the day (recorded with vbox and corrected for gradient), I'm sure with a bit more practice of the torque loading and not fully launch control we may have got better times. Might have to get a better drive too :) We will look to do a video of the S4 when we have software available and get some more times to compare its performance 👍
This is bullshit
What bullshit! Heavier estate car with less power and torque even with stage 1 beating s4.
The Audi S4 is around 100kg heavier than the A4 Avant. The S4 also doesn't have full "launch control" like the A4 DSG.
clearly fake.....