I don’t understand any thumbs down on this unless your a friggin Coleman check valve removal tool salesperson. Thanks for the great tip TC!!! Stupid haters🤬
It worked perfectly. We didn't do any changes to the file itself & it still did the job. Who would've thought all we needed was a BASTURD file & some pliars. Thank you so much. I wouldn't have gotten to check mine without this tip.
Thanks for sharing I recommend your method to anyone who only needs to remove one or two. I also would probably wrap tape around the file to protect the pumps bore. 😆👍😎
there is virtually zero need to EVER remove the check valve. spray carb cleaner or seaform in pump throat. about 1" deep. tilt lantern so pump cyl is vertical. let soak for 3 hrs. dump out cleaner and check valve by suck/blow test. if u can blow into the fount via checkvalve, add a big shot of 3 in 1 oil. assymble pump and pump up fount a few times
I used a large hexagonal shaft flathead screwdriver and a crescent wrench. That valve had me sweating and shaking like a dog passing a peach pit but it eventually broke loose. Chewed up the valve pretty good in the process. Incredibly tight!
I made my own removal tool with a tire iron. (One with a flat hubcap tool end) Only minimal grinding to shape it so it fits snugly, (that is VERY important), and the bent end that is normally for removing the lugnut provides a good handle to twist. The slot gap in the check valve is quite wide, and if you try using a screwdriver, they don't match and you will just end up damaging or breaking the checkvalve cap.
I tried this with an unmolested file and quit after using a fair amount of force. I did not want to break the file or screw up the CV. What finally worked was a day and a half of white vinegar. I had previously tried MEK and IPA. In a bad case I don't think it would be crazy to fill the tank with vinegar up to the level of the CV. Well worth buying a set of gunsmithing screw drivers to fit critical screws well...just as an aside.
Great idea. I use a 5/8 spade drill bit that I cut the point of of with a Dremel. It has a hex shape on the end and o use small wrench. It works well but it has failed twice when I didn’t pre soak the check valve in WD40. That file may be a better solution.
on your spadebit tool,; take a 14mm/1/2" drive socket, insert it into pump-throat, this acts as a guide for the spade bit, it takes up all the play in the skinny bit shaft. 3/8 drive may work too and even tighter fit.
Instead of the channel locks, use a large ADJUSTABLE WRENCH that you open up just enough to slip over the file down low. You then just push down or pull up. NO SQUEEZING. You can use the wrench again on similar metal work.
Man, thanks for posting that, I found a lantern thats been out in the weather for years, and pump isnt making pressure. Took out the piston, looks good, oiled it but suspected that valve to be the problem.
A hex shaft cold chisel grind the end to shape slip a rubber tube over the shaft so it won't scratch your pump sleeve. The tighter the fit with the rubber tube inside the pump sleeve the less chance you will have of it slipping off the CV head. The hex design will allow you to use a wrench and not pliers or vice grips that can slip. I rarely need to replace a check valve for me to buy a tool to use it only once or twice. If i was a Coleman hoarder i would buy the tool. I have a 550B stove that needs a check valve replaced. But it's hard not to be a hoarder when you can pick Coleman lamps and stoves up for $5.00 to $10.00 at thrift stores and yard sales.
we have a desease! HEhE! i agree tho, the check valve can be freed in the lantern by carb cleaner IN TANK side AND bore side, then seafoam soak for a day again. it usually looses up then
In 1979, I moved to Switzerland and took my Coleman Lamp along. Reasently I found it in my Garage and it did not work. Next to cleaning all parts and restoring the Generator, I removed the Check Valve easily with a "SCREWDRIVER NR. 6, EUROPEAN SIZE"
I got a new one but - i pump the air but was not ready to ude it so i open the fuel cup to release the air but the nect time i was ready to use it it does not work -like its got the air inside and won't push it to the chimney -no pressure
Ty for that. That's the only thing that worked for me I still have a problem. I removed the check valve and it is still holding pressure. I can take plunger, put it in and it's like it's been pumped 50 times. My problem is that my lantern isn't getting fuel. I took on off valve off top of tank. HELP PLEASE.
Its very possible you have a clog after the checkvalve. The checkvalve pumps into a little tube that goes up to the top of the fount. Have you tried high pressure air shot thru with the check valve removed ? If you type in " Coleman Cutaway " on UA-cam you can see videos of people who have sawed the fount in half so that you can see what the little tube Im talking about looks like. Maybe this will help :)
jason tindal::: Has the new generator worked? If not the fuel feed tube inside the tank can get clogged with just a tiny speck of debris and hose up your lamp or stove. Looking inside the tank with a tiny flashlight is it rusty or any sort of loos material that can get into the fuel? If so that would be the problem.
Everything is working pretty good. It was totally clogged after the check valve and now it lights fine.... Here is the problem now, it will not shut off. Lol. What controls This?
If the check ball is seized in place (not floating freely and passing air as it should be) test..when you hold your thumb over the hole on the pump rod and push the pump rod in all the way 8 or 10 times, that air you just compressed will normally go inside the tank... keeping your thumb over the hole, push the pump rod in all the way. IF THE CHECK VALVE IS SEIZED you will know by keeping your thumb over the hole at the end of the pump and relieving some of the force you are using to push in... if the pump rod pushes back out on it's own as you relieve force... the check valve is stuck.
This is like performing brain surgery with a sawzall. C'mon man! The proper tools go for around 30 bucks and will be at your door in 2 days along with the new check valve you should probably order. If you only have one to fix, sell the damn thing on eee bay for 29 bucks as "only used once". At least wrap some cloth or paper towel around the damn file to keep from scarring up the pump tube. My best recommendation is to not store your lantern in the rain for the better part of a decade. Many, many Coleman appliances have been permanently destroyed during check valve removal attempts. The proper tool leaves no chowder marks and the check valve will be factory perfect on the brass when you remove it. It's your lantern/stove. Use your best judgement before proceeding.
So let me say my check valve ball is loose and i hear it rattle. Without it i can blow air by mouth in tube. I can blow air through check valve and cannot suck in for pressure, i hear now it can be air inlet tube.
mixwell1983::: I pumped up my 550B stove take out the check valve rod and pour some fluid down the pump sleeve. If you see little bubbles coming out of the check valve it's beat. The back pressure in the tank should push the ball to close the CV if it's bubbling it is not doing that.
If the "leather" cup inside the pump tube is dry, it won't be able to compress the air no matter how much you pump. If you have the older original actual leather cup, you may be able to soften the leather with some Neats Footoil or similar leather treatment, or simply replace the cup end with a new one, either nylon or leather.
I used a file on mine. I put a crescent wrench on it and heard a snap that I thought was a sign that it broke loose but it broke the corner off the file instead
Hey brother I was looking on videos to remove the check valve. Went into my garage and made my own. Go to my channel and should be first video. I'm not trying to promote but to show people who dont wana pay $40 for a tool, By the way i didnt hace a file your size(larger) and tried a large Ass screwdriver but length doesnt matter as much as width (insert sex joke) nobody should have to struggle so much with these fucking check valves.
Your design is excellent ! Its much better than what I came up with , especially with an impact drill. I will be making what you have come up with. Thanks for sharing !!!
I have also seen someone use an impact driver but this works because I have a file but I might get an impact driver because everybody needs a backup plan. Good out of the box thinking.
I don’t understand any thumbs down on this unless your a friggin Coleman check valve removal tool salesperson. Thanks for the great tip TC!!!
Stupid haters🤬
Good video. Right to the point without a lot of jabbering. I'm going to put a wrap of electrical tape to protect the pump cylinder.
It worked perfectly. We didn't do any changes to the file itself & it still did the job. Who would've thought all we needed was a BASTURD file & some pliars. Thank you so much. I wouldn't have gotten to check mine without this tip.
Thanks for sharing I recommend your method to anyone who only needs to remove one or two.
I also would probably wrap tape around the file to protect the pumps bore. 😆👍😎
This a good opportunity to tell how important it is to oil your pump regularly, especially before storage
Now thats what im talking about.
It's about time someone figures out how to do this without a costly and har to get tool.
Thanks for sharing.
BluegrassBushcraft, The tool isnt hard to get...oldcolemanparts.com
Great tip! I’m in the process of getting one of my dad’s lanterns working again. It’s a 1963 year model. This helps greatly.
Man! thank you for this vid!! it helped a lots. and too the fact that you were mineded to show just what you were doing. thank a lot!
there is virtually zero need to EVER remove the check valve. spray carb cleaner or seaform in pump throat. about 1" deep. tilt lantern so pump cyl is vertical. let soak for 3 hrs. dump out cleaner and check valve by suck/blow test. if u can blow into the fount via checkvalve, add a big shot of 3 in 1 oil. assymble pump and pump up fount a few times
I copied your idea. Works like a charm. Adjustable wrench is easier to use too.
I actually had the issue, I sprayed some PB into the valve where the ball sits. It freed the ball and now it works just fine.
I was wondering about PB as I watched the video. Thanks for verifying that it will help. Good piece of info to know for Justin Case.
I did the same thing except with Berryman B-12 chemtool carb cleaner, couldn't get the CV out. Worked great!
60% of the time that works everytime
What is PB? Thanks
PB Blaster
I usually spray it with some carb cleaner,then take some .30 welding wire and move the ball around till the debris breaks up.
Absolutely smooth out the edges of the file. It can, and most probably will scratch the pump bore, witch is not replaceable.
Or put duct tape on the file edges. Scratching the pump bore will eat up leather or rubber cups.
I used a large hexagonal shaft flathead screwdriver and a crescent wrench. That valve had me sweating and shaking like a dog passing a peach pit but it eventually broke loose.
Chewed up the valve pretty good in the process. Incredibly tight!
I made my own removal tool with a tire iron. (One with a flat hubcap tool end) Only minimal grinding to shape it so it fits snugly, (that is VERY important), and the bent end that is normally for removing the lugnut provides a good handle to twist. The slot gap in the check valve is quite wide, and if you try using a screwdriver, they don't match and you will just end up damaging or breaking the checkvalve cap.
Hi! Wrap the file with a rubber to not scratch the cylinder. Thanks for posting!
I tried this with an unmolested file and quit after using a fair amount of force. I did not want to break the file or screw up the CV. What finally worked was a day and a half of white vinegar. I had previously tried MEK and IPA. In a bad case I don't think it would be crazy to fill the tank with vinegar up to the level of the CV.
Well worth buying a set of gunsmithing screw drivers to fit critical screws well...just as an aside.
Very smart idea, I'm going to give it a try. Thanks...
Great idea. I use a 5/8 spade drill bit that I cut the point of of with a Dremel. It has a hex shape on the end and o use small wrench. It works well but it has failed twice when I didn’t pre soak the check valve in WD40. That file may be a better solution.
on your spadebit tool,; take a 14mm/1/2" drive socket, insert it into pump-throat, this acts as a guide for the spade bit, it takes up all the play in the skinny bit shaft. 3/8 drive may work too and even tighter fit.
“Fred Flintstone”!
at least he used his feet, like back in the good ole days, Thats what god gave us
Instead of the channel locks, use a large ADJUSTABLE WRENCH that you open up just enough to slip over the file down low. You then just push down or pull up. NO SQUEEZING. You can use the wrench again on similar metal work.
Thanks for the great procedure .
Man, thanks for posting that, I found a lantern thats been out in the weather for years, and pump isnt making pressure. Took out the piston, looks good, oiled it but suspected that valve to be the problem.
Nice! Great tip!
What is the eventual dimension that you get the file down to? Ie what size do I make it?
Thanks!
but there's two different widths in different lanterns..
Nice, hope I don't have to go to that extent to get mine working again.
The Loobis, a little carb cleaner and a small wire to wiggle the ball inside the check valve usually does the trick...dont tell anyone..😉
A hex shaft cold chisel grind the end to shape slip a rubber tube over the shaft so it won't scratch your pump sleeve. The tighter the fit with the rubber tube inside the pump sleeve the less chance you will have of it slipping off the CV head. The hex design will allow you to use a wrench and not pliers or vice grips that can slip. I rarely need to replace a check valve for me to buy a tool to use it only once or twice. If i was a Coleman hoarder i would buy the tool.
I have a 550B stove that needs a check valve replaced. But it's hard not to be a hoarder when you can pick Coleman lamps and stoves up for $5.00 to $10.00 at thrift stores and yard sales.
we have a desease! HEhE! i agree tho, the check valve can be freed in the lantern by carb cleaner IN TANK side AND bore side, then seafoam soak for a day again. it usually looses up then
The hex shaft on an old cold chisel should let you get a socket on it.
Why do they continue to make them so difficult to remove?
In 1979, I moved to Switzerland and took my Coleman Lamp along. Reasently I found it in my Garage and it did not work. Next to cleaning all parts and restoring the Generator, I removed the Check Valve easily with a "SCREWDRIVER NR. 6, EUROPEAN SIZE"
Should use a crescent wrench.
But man that’s a great idea with the file
I got a new one but - i pump the air but was not ready to ude it so i open the fuel cup to release the air but the nect time i was ready to use it it does not work -like its got the air inside and won't push it to the chimney -no pressure
Adjustable might be better that slip joint piers
impact screw driver would work on this,it would impact it out
OldColemanparts makes a tool. They for for around $30.
i used a file and it snapped. going to try impact wrench. doing stove tank
just soak the check valve with seafoam spray, let it sit for 2 days......the ball will free up on its own, no need to remove.
johnny6148, Ya, a file is way too hard to use like that, try some carb cleaner inside the little hole in the check valve first...😉
great tip
Ty for that. That's the only thing that worked for me I still have a problem. I removed the check valve and it is still holding pressure. I can take plunger, put it in and it's like it's been pumped 50 times. My problem is that my lantern isn't getting fuel. I took on off valve off top of tank. HELP PLEASE.
Its very possible you have a clog after the checkvalve. The checkvalve pumps into a little tube that goes up to the top of the fount. Have you tried high pressure air shot thru with the check valve removed ? If you type in " Coleman Cutaway " on UA-cam you can see videos of people who have sawed the fount in half so that you can see what the little tube Im talking about looks like. Maybe this will help :)
jason tindal yoooo! Your generator tube is probably plugged! Put a new one in it!
jason tindal::: Has the new generator worked? If not the fuel feed tube inside the tank can get clogged with just a tiny speck of debris and hose up your lamp or stove. Looking inside the tank with a tiny flashlight is it rusty or any sort of loos material that can get into the fuel? If so that would be the problem.
Everything is working pretty good. It was totally clogged after the check valve and now it lights fine.... Here is the problem now, it will not shut off. Lol. What controls This?
How did you determine it was bad?
If the check ball is seized in place (not floating freely and passing air as it should be) test..when you hold your thumb over the hole on the pump rod and push the pump rod in all the way 8 or 10 times, that air you just compressed will normally go inside the tank... keeping your thumb over the hole, push the pump rod in all the way. IF THE CHECK VALVE IS SEIZED you will know by keeping your thumb over the hole at the end of the pump and relieving some of the force you are using to push in... if the pump rod pushes back out on it's own as you relieve force... the check valve is stuck.
i'll file away your procedure, a good cheep fix, thanks
This is like performing brain surgery with a sawzall. C'mon man! The proper tools go for around 30 bucks and will be at your door in 2 days along with the new check valve you should probably order. If you only have one to fix, sell the damn thing on eee bay for 29 bucks as "only used once". At least wrap some cloth or paper towel around the damn file to keep from scarring up the pump tube. My best recommendation is to not store your lantern in the rain for the better part of a decade. Many, many Coleman appliances have been permanently destroyed during check valve removal attempts. The proper tool leaves no chowder marks and the check valve will be factory perfect on the brass when you remove it. It's your lantern/stove. Use your best judgement before proceeding.
If you just put a a few millimeters a third of a oz of thick motor oil in pump at end of winter its all good and you wont have to do this
I Use A Crescent Wrench With My File
Get the tool.
Poifect!
So let me say my check valve ball is loose and i hear it rattle. Without it i can blow air by mouth in tube. I can blow air through check valve and cannot suck in for pressure, i hear now it can be air inlet tube.
mixwell1983::: I pumped up my 550B stove take out the check valve rod and pour some fluid down the pump sleeve. If you see little bubbles coming out of the check valve it's beat. The back pressure in the tank should push the ball to close the CV if it's bubbling it is not doing that.
If the "leather" cup inside the pump tube is dry, it won't be able to compress the air no matter how much you pump. If you have the older original actual leather cup, you may be able to soften the leather with some Neats Footoil or similar leather treatment, or simply replace the cup end with a new one, either nylon or leather.
U know how much these tools are going for $30 $40 $50 at least. 👍😆
I used a file on mine. I put a crescent wrench on it and heard a snap that I thought was a sign that it broke loose but it broke the corner off the file instead
Hey brother I was looking on videos to remove the check valve. Went into my garage and made my own. Go to my channel and should be first video. I'm not trying to promote but to show people who dont wana pay $40 for a tool,
By the way i didnt hace a file your size(larger) and tried a large Ass screwdriver but length doesnt matter as much as width (insert sex joke) nobody should have to struggle so much with these fucking check valves.
Your design is excellent ! Its much better than what I came up with , especially with an impact drill. I will be making what you have come up with. Thanks for sharing !!!
This guy came up with a great idea using a chisel and impact screwdriver . Might even be better than my design
ua-cam.com/video/KkfjQszTO80/v-deo.html
Caveman
I have also seen someone use an impact driver but this works because I have a file but I might get an impact driver because everybody needs a backup plan. Good out of the box thinking.
Thank you. Was trying to do this with a regular screwdriver 🪛 .. didnt work.