Can You Weld TIG and MIG at the Same Time?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Have you ever heard of the technology that combines TIG and MIG welding? is it posible to weld MIG and TIG at the same time? Well today we are finding out. We got a Tip Tig machine in the Weldtube shop and we are going to put this TIG/MIG hybrid to the test, stand by.
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As a professional welder myself, I wouldn't recommand to learn this way. Don't get me wrong, that TIG is impressive. It has MAJOR drawbacks though. One, welding from this position on a rotating tube, forget it. Unless you work in a factory, but on the field, yeah no. Tubes are sometimes so close to the wall, that beak ain't going through.
Second, doing the filling like that is very pretty and all, but not time efficient. You're mostely going to use electrodes for it. The root with TIG remains since it's easy to control, allows for a nice low amp setting. But for filling, most of the time you're gonna use electrodes. Or MAG with cored wire if you're outside and your company has some money to spare on the machine.
Third, and I would definitely recommand this, learn to weld from the very bottom to the very top, doing the tube in halves. Your going to have to switch your hand doing the other side. More difficult to manage your weld but learning this way made me a much better welder. Remember you'll always have to adapt to your workplace, and welding in tiny places, sometimes with a mirror is going to be required, depending where you work of course.
Also remember, you might have to fill the inside of the tube with some inert gas for stainless tubes.
But nice job, beautiful weld here! Took me a while to get some of those right ^^
Alex I'm with you. He did a very nice job. But at this point in my life I'm gonna stick to traditional crap. Where I work everything needs to get done as fast as possible.
@@johnsellers2999 Productivity is crucial in many companies, unfortunately. That being said, some companies have to work on what I call "beauty" pieces, so you can take your time, not to mention nuclear power plants or industrial agriculture where you have to follow a certain MO and have all your welds checked with radios and whatnot. But for most of my welding career, the motto was always "Crank the amps up, do it faster. If it looks bad, just grind and polish the crap out of it."
I been a pipe welder for 55 years power house mostly. And I thought the same thing. In a fab shop on a positioned it would kick out inches. But welding boiler tube no.I GUESS I'm old school 1/8 rod 1/8 gap and1/8 tungsten. .AND coming off the bottom of a 6" wall Hot Weld at 600 degrees it would not be worthwhile.
Alex Guigui dici che questo impianto TipTig non è veloce se viene impiegato in magazzino su rullo rotante ? È più produttivo saldare in tig tradizionale rispetto al TipTig?
In officina su banco va benissimo.
Questa macchina può essere utili per i principali
These were some incredible arch shots.
Soooo satisfying. The quality in the shots are amazing!
As a guy who mig weds every day but really wants to be a tig welder I really really like this setup.
Really seeing it first hand versus hearing about it was hard to believe? A hell of game changer!
a couple of questions, please-
75/25 or 100% argon?
3/32 0r 1/8" tungsten???
whats the machine cost!
Thanks- Great Video!
Dave
Still 100% argon, its only feeding in filler👍
you really asking what a miller dynasty cost?
@@swell07_ the tip tig is a separate machine
We've always called it "hot wire TIG". Good friend of mine here in Houston, developed and leased machines that done the root pass using this, from the inside of a pipe, using a remote controlled welding device. Crazy setup. No idea what happened to the technology when he passed a few years ago.
That is what happens WE old guys take are stuff with us ...HaHa...............
Actually its COLD WIRE ADDITION. We were doing that 40 years ago. . Nothing new here. ,,,,, And I quit watching this vid after less then a minute. - This guy needs to drop poorly done Macho-MAn Randy Savage imitation. OHH YEAAAA
@@mathewmolk2089 I'm just telling you what we always called it. And what the man who designed and built the automated machine to do it, called it.
You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want.
@@dieselguy62 hot wire has a current going through the wire, giving more penetration. Cold wire simply feeds the wire. Thats the difference between them👍
@@kf8575 all depends where you're from and who you're talking to.
I'm gonna go with what the guy who developed the machines calls it
Hello colleague
. Few people know this technique. I happened to find out about it shortly before I retired. From the city of Thessaloniki with love. HELLAS
Its new and i'm excited to try it myself.Great job guys.All your vids has been imformative and it helps alot so keep it up.Shouting you guys out from trinidad in the caribbean.
worked 6 months on the very machine:
- headpiece is skethy af while welding on high amperages gets unwinded on its own, you will adjust it pretty often, for that you have to carry small ass allen wrench that gets constantly lost
- inside the suitcase the oscillating mechanism in resting on single linear bearing with aluminium body and when the sliding tube btw mechanism and torch sleeve gats jammed, oscillating mechanism teard threads inside linear bearing derailing itself, and BAM you`re in for service
- try wiggling that torch 5-10 hours
continue without stopping as hard as your hands as long as you don't get tired ... awesome hybrid
Gee-wizz.., i wouldn't mind using that modified tig hand-piece with auto.wire feed..nice.."simplicity"/ mods @ it's best.. natural technique. awesome presento video 👍🤙☀️
That is really super interesting... Kool product for sure.. And, absolutely superb camera shots...
That is one awesome machine. That would be so fun to use.
Tip Tig has been around for along time …… developed in the US but never took off…… widely used in Europe for years and within the last 10 yrs making a big come back in the states……. Have trained and run this process…… works great on stainless too !! Literally 1 pass on sch 10
Pretty slick tig rig.
Never seen nothing like this!
Great video 💯💯👊🏽🦅
Nice equipment very good work
The material is carbon steel or stainless..??
2018 i use this machine in my job, my ex company used inconel material for aramco project..
I think you know this project my brother.
Success and peace 👍🏻✌🏼
I would love to use this
Its undoubtedly the future of Tig welding for sure once its enhanced a little more
Perfect, I just took one of these from the first aid kit at work, and had no idea what I was looking at when I busted it open. Hahah.
Wow a great innovation in tig welding process, make a job well done and convenient..
Respect from Russia👍🏼 you cool man!
Look Igor negoda, you like!✋👌
How I’m actually surprised it worked as well as it did
Excelente clase maestro trabaja chingon de amadre profecional saludos desde Chicago il 🇲🇽
I just got asked about this process today bro,didnt know anything about it ,until now !!!!!!!!🍻
best arc shot
wow what a amazing job you done ! I first time saw like that ! good job bro. I appreciate bro.
Good weld , enjoyed watching . Neat stuff for sure.!!!!!!!!!!1
Please don’t give my boss any ideas I’m gonna have mig and tig in one hand and the stinger in the other
Lol
@ johnny canals, funny, My boss expects a grinder in one hand, torch in the other, hot cable over shoulder and you can only guess where i would like to place the stinger!!
Don't worry, it is not cheap. Like 25/30k if you're wandering 😁🤟
Like I posted elsewhere, I don't have to worry about it, my place is too cheap to ever get me anything better than a mig wire feeder to hold in my left hand.
I have to use one that's on top of the mig welder machine.
Been doing it in our shop for years, try it without rolling the pipe.
I’d like to see him do it on 2” SS tubing beverage sanitary rolling the fittings is ok.
@@mynameisnobody4409 it’s not intended for fusion welding, not sanitary tube where you don’t need filler… duh.
I do it tig welder in right and mig welder lead in left hand. Luckily I just have to do straight lines
So I’m curious how much shielding gas did you use to complete a weld like this? Educated guess on cubic feet is all I’m looking for. Thanks for sharing another great video with us.👍😎
Slick would like to try this process
Thanks for the content! Always learn so much when I watch your videos!
I would love to try that equipment out!
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Excellent video Hand! Excellent photography!
Thats sweet! Thanks for the vid!
Fantastic arc shots!
I was tasked at the shop I worked at about 8 years ago when this process started it was very awkward to get started with they had a guy come demonstrate it I was the only one that could get it to work kinda funny the demonstrator had troubles I had to figure out not knowing anything about it it was ok but I will stick with conventional tig
Great video, amazing technology. But I have a feeling that the torch may be very stiff to wave with.
Congratulations this class was very cool here in Brazil👋👋👋👍👍👍👍
Basically...."cold wire feed" TIG process. Uses a different design torch, but has been use to weld tubes inside box headers for around 20 years. Developed by a company in Tulsa Oklahoma.
This is two steps past cold wire feed TIG. It has current added to the wire, you can even see the wire lug on the nose, and TIP TIG add an oscillation to the wire feed that stirs the melt pool to remove gasses and allow higher deposition rates. When done right it has advantages on most other systems.
Trabajo de calidad 🙏🏻🔥saludos de eagle pass tx
I've seen a guy MIG with both hands and do an AWESOME job. A shipbuilder.
The north sea tiger?
Did he use two live migs or one live and the other cold feed?
Bravo Tip Tig Welding
Yeah man big up from london .first time watching you. Am learnt mag /mig welding .arc stick welding and some tig . Basic course but am getting there good
Excellent video fellas!!
What an awesome vid..
Well done matey...
I realy like these idea
You forgot to mention that wire is coming out "hot" that's a hot wire semi- auto tig process
Works great with tight gaps and even little mis-match
Do this all the time at my job. Its also known as ' cold feed '.
I use a tig welder in right hand and mig welder wire feed with power disconnected in left hand.
Why is it called cold feed
@@tomkarani8954 I don't really know, thats just what its called. Probably because the wire is not charged, not part of the circuit, just fed in from the side.
On a mig welder the wire is part of the circuit and the arc occurs off the end of the wire itself.
They make regular feeder machines for this purpose and they are known as
' cold feed ' machines. I am just using a mig welder wire feeder with no welder power applied.
The problem with that is for what I do I need the wire to run very slow and the speed I use on a Miller wire feeder is just under, right on, or a tiny bit over .5 on the wire speed scale. Not a lot of adjustment.
This process does add a preheat current to the wire and also adds an oscillating motion to the wire to stir the melt pool. Less porosity and more deposition than other techniques when set up properly. The process was patented in 1998 think so bound to become popular when the patent runs out.
@@KallePihlajasaari pre- heating the wire sounds like something I was once thinking of for totally different soldering process I do.
Soldar assim rodando no suporte é super fácil, quero ver fazer uma solda perfeita assim em campo, lá na obra onde tudo acontece e você tem que soldar o tubo na posição que ele se encontra sem poder girar.
You can pound a nice root in on sch. 10 with this thing. It’s heavy though and awkward
Nice layer🤝👍
That's how tig welding robot works😁😁👍👍
Killer weld very nice tool for stainless but why are you tiging Carbon steel
muy durisimo gracias, nunca habia visto esta combinacion tan buena.
Excellent video!
What you have done amounts to a hot wire fed tig. May I ask what you have your voltage set at on the mig? Or is this just a cold wire feeder?
Very nice welding bro keep it up God bless
Good for fab shop! Coming off the bottom of a 2" in a bad spot I will take the 17 rig with 1/8 rod1/8 gap 1/8 tungsten and put a wedding ring inside. Bechtel smile is what it's called
looks awesome. bosses would never let me buy one.
tiptigusa.com
To learn more about this process.
I like that kind of work.
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There is a bloke down-under (Australia) that has a custom frame building machine for hot rods, he has an automated 3-D set up to weld his frames with. He uses an automated filler metal feed w/ a machine TIG torch and a THC similar to what is used on a CNC plaz tables. Works like a champ.
@@warrenquijano9523 a
I like that machine.so nice and you dnt need another machine.
damnnn, this is sick, loved the video
I want one now. Can you hold the filler wire tube in your filler hand and use it that way?
If you have access to a mig welder, even one of those little 110 volt ones, you might try disconnecting the welder power and use just the feeder to feed wire into tig weld.
Been doing it 16 years. For most welding it needs to go really slow. I run right off the bottom of the scale on Miller mig feeder ( . 5 speed )
Magnifique ! Good job ! Big UP de France 🦾
good for production work
Very good brother 👍👍
I hope this process gets better in time. Now, globular transfer is much smoother.
Was patented in 1998 I think. Will become popular once the big boys can implement it without having to licence patents.
Nice video, clean weld no bbs
very good ! what is this type of adaptation called at tig?
TipTig tiptigusa.com
Amazing sir..
First time i have seen
Hola siempre miro sus videos .seria posible hacer un video en español . Para vertical acendente . Con una máquina miller triblazer 325 y un suitcase y fluxcore .045" nr- 211-mp 0sea E71t-11
Cracias espero puedan .
Nice job bro
Great work, best regards
awesome video😁👍 is this a new procedure? and it's it certified as TIG or MIG?
It has been around 20 years already. It is TIG process with oscillating hot wire feed.
would love to see this on aluminum😁👍
Ono verry nice good job brod
Crack capo saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
I Am Argon welder 6 years Experience
INSANE VIDEO !!!
Yeah we weld this out at space x on starship
If this shooting electrified mig wire and shoot tig arc at the same time? or is the mig wire just melting from the tig action.
Both.
One hell of a taser
Quero uma maquina dessa .t89ig mig agora e o ultimo em soldagen tig .velocidade qualidade resultado final excelente custo beneficio com excelentes margens .pois servicos de soldas especializadas tem autissimos custos
Do you guys do any metalcore welding?
what gas you using??
Quick answer, yes. The wire spool GTAW setups are awesome.
Benefit of this over stick welding?
So if your just doing straight tig can it be a 16th below flush as well?
Awesome welding and photography. Is the wire part of the circuit? Or do you still need to put a cable on the work?
The TIG circuit is as normal and the wire has own extra preheat current from the TIP TIG control box.
The magic of TIP TIG is an oscillating wire feed that stirs the pool and removes gasses and allows for more wire to be melted.
Okay man thank you
The real question is what is the advantage of this over standard mig?
yea, I was thinking the same thing.
Weld quality. A mig welded butt simply wont compare with a tig welded butt.
@@kf8575 Idk man, Running spray straight current transfer I'm sure would burn in perfectly.
could you explain why many pipe welders use such an extreme torch angle?
His angle is a little extreme, but we “walk the cup”. This requires a steeper angle.
What does the tip tig cost
So like handheld dimetric welding?