Will the NEW 2025 EURO 5+ (5B) Emissions Regulations kill off large capacity motorcycles?
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- The European unions motorcycle specific Euro 5+(5B) emissions standards are set to be implemented on the 1st January 2025. These will require all motorcycles registered after that date capable of exceeding 130Kmh to be fitted with Realtime catalyst monitoring equipment, which will put the machine into limp mode if the bike fails to comply.
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And most of these crazy rules eminate from the WEF, whose parastic members possibly have multiple homes, jets, 500ft yachts, and garages full of V8 engined cars...and motorbikes.
Yes, they originate from bodies like the UN, WHO, and WEF but the people really responsible are the ordinary Brits who continue to vote Tory and Labour - to those people I say - enjoy your new regulations and enjoy your personal travel while you can
It’s very odd, I’ve noticed the slip over two decades, you do have to keep it proportional, but it’s what I’ve experienced, we generally jump on it from certain headlines, mcn from twenty years ago was retrospective of certain limitations coming from Brussels toward limitation, I can appreciate their viewpoint, but it’s counterproductive, a larger machine, generally means greater control, the limitations on emissions are just absurd for me, I’ve cycled through my local town and the fumes from the cars were more offensive, cracking down on motorcycles?, invariably we’re the last to hear when government proposals jump ahead.
I don’t mean that to sound alarmist, but it does feel like a creeping tide.
WEF?
World Economic Forum
And you voted for these corrupt politicians who approves the WEF, WHO, Fifa.
I’ve said for a long time that the ‘so called’ environmental systems on modern engines, that put them into limp mode when they don’t get the right signal from various sensors, are actually taking what are perfectly good cars, (with years of use left in them) off the road. If we were truly concerned about the environment we would be making cars that lasted much longer and encouraging owners to keep their cars instead of replacing them every three years. Modern cars and motorcycles are perfectly capable of doing 200,000 plus miles. The days of vehicles being knackered after 100,000 miles are long gone but, what does kill them off is the cost of replacing environmental systems that put them into limp mode and the repair cost is more than the value 😡
It's all by design. Some people knew this already in the late '80s.
I actually believe that we now live in an era where cars and bikes barely capable to reach 100.000mls; and also a lot of people are so brainwashed that they think, owning anything with more then 60.000 miles on the clock, is high mileage.
I see that on my colleagues and a good friend of mine, who still can't gasp that my car from 2010 with +150.000mls on the clock runs better, feels better as his much newer BMW, what is at least twice a year in the garage for issues.
I drive since 1997, and always had older cars. In my view, our society peaked in the 90s. Cars, bikes, music - a lot of things from that era are like tanks compared to the new garbage out there. Even my motorbike from 2004, what has an engine from the 90s in it, is bulletproof.
But I agree, and I'm not a fan of EVs, that cars would actually make the best use example of owning it long term, basically 10 years or till the battery reaches 50%.
its called planned obsolescence.
I feel if we look back over a longer period it is easy to reach the conclusion the 'powers that be' clearly want us out of every type of vehicle, particularly ones that use an internal combustion engine. I am positively of the opinion we should enjoy what we have while we can still have it.
Absolutely
You’ll own and drive nothing but you’ll be happy!
Even the weather is not playing ball 😂
Depressing listening Stu. Governments won't be happy until they have got rid of all motorcycles
I think we make these PUBLIC SERVANT.. serve the public and not some globalist psychopaths agenda based on bs
The ridiculous thing about all this emissions issue is that most of the developing world and places like Russia, China and India, plus other developed Asian countries don’t give a toss!
China has stringent pollution controls for bikes and cars which are the de facto standard for most of east and southeast Asia. China's regs make California seem generous. India is on Euro 5 today. If Harley-Davidson is selling bikes in California, you guys have nothing to worry about.
I was talking to a colleague about this the other day. In the UK we could all top using our bikes and cars tomorrow and the effect globally would be negligible. So this push towards EV's will achieve nothing except to break this country financially and socially. Nearly every car commercial on TV now shows an EV and I'm sick of seeing them. Labour have pledged to bring the ICE ban forward again to 2030 and I've asked them what they intend to do about motorcycles. Do they intend to lazily lump them in with everything else or do the intelligent thing and actually consider them as a sustainable form of transport in the future? I've not had a reply 🙄
Every motorized vehicle will be banned. EV‘s will be banned as well. Its simply impossible, absolutely impossible to swap each and every ICE into an EV. EV’s have to keep up the sheep’s hope for some time and then it will argued that „its not possible, sorry“. Bicycles are finally left and bicycle private mobility is what they finally intend.
BTW, Russian laws enforces regular inspection of vehicles older than 4 years, during which emmission test is also performed. So if you remove malfunctioning emission equipment, you won't be allowed on the road. Or at least, you shoudn't be - sadly, many inspection stations are prone to corruption. And more to that - e.g. there are multiple factories in my hometown that heavilly exceed NOx & hydrogen sulfide emissions, but they also just pay fines and then bribe local authorities to not have a warrant for stopping operations until emmission requirements are met. And that make all traffic emissions fade.
Just develop hybrid fuels.
You'll own no motorcycles and be happy.
They seem to be making all shoes vegan so you won't walk far either.
LOL@@chaosflower4892
@@chaosflower4892PMSL
I don't own a motorbike at the moment but I'm not happy.😢
That’s impossible.
Another step in the direction of NO Personal Transport
About stopping on the round-a-bout, Stuart. For 20 years, I lived close to a major general hospital. I stopped my car on one particular round-a-bout which I crossed on average more than once a day probably 1 in 50 times for speeding ambulances approaching the hospital. Not only I stopped but upon approaching the round-a-bout, I found myself held up by others who had stopped to allow the easier passage of ambulances. In any event, as you can say with greater authority than most, there is nothing illegal about stopping on a round-a-bout per se. There are, of course, matters of obstruction but giving way to an ambulance can NEVER be regarded as obstruction. Unfortunately, UA-cam comments so frequently expose the lamentable state of our education system in recent decades and the plain bull-headed stupidity of so many.
Stopping is a tricky thing especially on a bike…the chances of being rear ended would worry me.
@@hectorshouse7348 Do not worry yourself, as a former police motorcyclist Stu will have been trained to leave himself an escape route and would be scanning his mirrors while waiting for the ambulance to pass.
You nailed it 👌
Agreed. Be careful at red traffic lights though. Drivers have been prosecuted and convicted of going through a red light to let an ambulance through. I'm not giving you an opinion, just stating the law.
Theres a lot of people who dont know how to use a roundabout let alone know what the rules are.. And depending on where you are in the world the rules differ...
Ah, the great armchair Police officers!. As the Italian writer Umbert Eco said “ For most of history we knew who the village idiot was and fortunately, they could only talk to the village. Now we have no idea who the village idiot is and unfortunately they can talk to the world “.
😂
I love it. Well said, friend, well said. Keyboard warriors. It's hard to ignore them, because they're like gnats at a picnic.
I’ll stick with my old carburettor models which I have done for 50 years, and are capable of 130mph plus…I agree with you allowing that ambulance through as well Stuart, keep up the good work
As an ex Paramedic, thank you for your considerate action on the roundabout 👍
But he's still breaking the law by doing that, and if a certain type of copper would have seen him, he could have been fined.
Since I got fined in Manchester, because I gave space to an ambulance what required me to move my car past the red light, but it was still safe as I didn't entered crossing nor oncoming traffic, I changed my mind about 'giving/making' space.
I won't speed, curb, stop on double lines or anything for an ambulance, fire nor police. You could sit behind me with sirens and lights on, if I can't give space within the confined of the law, I won't, because the law punishes the people who do.
Actually there was a time a few years ago, the news kept even reporting this issues, over and over again.
I KNEW IT! I just knew you were a retired copper. Calm, reasonable, well-spoken, meticulous. Just like me! Retired CHP and I rode for 19 years out of Central LA, San Diego, and Oceanside. Keep up the good work.
CHP? Same planet, different World . . . Here in Sherwood Forest's deep & ancient glades of mildewed torpidity, where 'modern culture' may only be found in certain posh yogurts, we still sit around of an evening, counting how many times a monochrome Broderick Crawford can get in & out of various cars per episode. Ah, the high life eh? . . . 'One day, one day.' : )
Brilliant video as always Stuart and Politicians don't like car drivers or motorcyclists, but they absolutely love taking road tax, we are simply cash cows.
The way the road tax is going up every year on the bike and the car is criminal. The car has gone from £110 band F it's now £210. And the bike was £111 for a RE 650 most expensive thing about the bike is the road tax
People who create money don't need any of yours. The point of it all is that you'll have none.
Opening remarks, well said Stuart. I would have stopped just the same, situational awareness, that’s all it is. Thanks for the heads up on the 5+ 👍
Todays modern standards of clean burning motors are very good. There really was a smog problem in cities like Los Angeles years ago, but that brown cloud is cleared up now. I noticed the improvement as I used to walk, run, and bicycle along a path that was right next to a well traveled highway. The time came when it was no longer noticeable that you were right next to a highway. The air quality greatly improved over time. It's not a problem anymore.
However, what we have now isn't a smog problem. Now it's a government power hunger problem. Now we have oppressive governmental power problems.
Thank you, Stuart!
What a time to be alive.
I feel grief about this. Probably silly of me.
Been driving/ riding coming up to 50yrs 2024, i believe you used that roundabout just about perfectly given the circumstances
A motorcycle should never have a cat tucked up right against the motor. Motors need to cool. That is ridiculous. Motorcycles are not cars. What works for a car doesn't always work for a motorcycle. Has the government no sense? I don't want engine or transmission failure due to a catalytic converter. Then they run them too lean and the motor runs too hot anyway. It's crazy. We can't enjoy anything anymore with over regulation like that. It's evil.
"Has the government no sense? " It's obvious the government has rarely made sense.
You're forgetting, the government WANTS your motorcycle to break, then you can't ride it!
Ok there are 2 reasons for the cat to be so close to the engine..
1/ is packaging requirements.
A bike is more compact than a car so the cats have to be placed in as safe a position as possible whilst not affecting aerodynamics..
2/ a cat requires heat to work efficiently.
By placing the cat closer to the engine the cat heats up quicker and thus does its job of cleaning up the exhaust.. immediately.
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In the past there were roadside emissions checks, these were promptly stopped due to people being fined for emissions as soon as they pulled out of their drive with a cold engine & catalytic converter not doing its converting due to its temperature being out of scope...
Every bike I have I've binned the cat every time.. It was the first thing to get rehomed when I bought my RE C500...
We have been very fortunate to have lived through the very best of motoring times. We have been spoilt by major advances in technologies and reliability, but its all coming to and end if big brother has its way. They have deemed that we need to be controlled, totally controlled, and obviously only in a way that is good for them.
The end is nigh for the freedom of the open road, make the most of it while it lasts.
stick to old bikes and cars
😂😂Well said Stuart, them bloody ambulances they are a nuisance spoiling your approach, sorry to say I'm one of those ambulance personnel Keep um coming well presented.
Well hopefully, folk will hang on to their "older" bikes longer...
All too do with control of the sheople .
So sorry to hear about the negative and abusive messages you receive, I just can’t get my head around why people have to be so hateful. Once again thanks for yet another informative article, I always look forward to your videos and long may they continue 👍
As a life long motorcyclist with metal trade skills I have always modified my machines to suit my purpose.
In the 70s /80s we could just pull off a few hoses and blank things off to restore proper performance.
We often fitted 4 into 1 exhausts to our four cylinder machines which again restored normal performance and sounded so much better than the generic sewing machines of the time.
One of my machines is a 2008 Ural with sidecar. I was surprised to find that it had cats in each header pipe. Soon fixed that by removing the restriction, result improved performance.
I now have a 650 interceptor fitted with powerage mufflers and DNA filter. Sadly the cats are trapped in an all welded section of the header but I shall either cut the pipes to remove the cats and reweld or replace headers with free flowing non cat types.
To me it's a philosophical point.
I have always been prepared to flout the law and do what I want with my machines.
Here in Australia we have a relatively small population, few cops especially in the countryside where I live, so we just do what we want and don't get caught.think mad max
I'm ex military and quite comfortable with defying bad laws/rules are you as an ex copper able to go your own way, in what appears from the outside to be a timid, compliant society.
Powerage do straight through headers as well. Could be my imagination, but definitely feels more grunt at 5000 RPM plus. and more noise😂
How many times do you hear the statement that we need to safeguard our future for the younger generation? I reckon with the way things are developing a massive part of their lives are going to absent of FUN & PLEASURE
Young people do not even get drunk anymore, what a bunch of wimps!
Now is when I'm grateful for my 1969 BSA.
(I can see the prices of second-hand machines going up)
I've owned many bikes over the years and remember the first time I saw exhaust emissions on a registration document and thought to myself at the time " slippery slope here we come " I think people like myself and others who ride large and loud cruisers will fall fowl of this kind of legislation. I'm grateful to people like yourself who make us more aware of what lies ahead . Thanks Stewart
Hi ,i was out riding west lakes last sunday cumbria , the standard of riding i seen from some riders made my mouth drop.
Re. Cat converter, put a bottle of Cataclean, cleaner in your fuel tank before every MOT. Drive around a few miles & That usually gets any car/vehicle through the test. I have used this great stuff loads of times, it works!
Wow. That's a _special_ kind of Draconian.
Personally I'm waiting for the law that won't allow cars to exceed the speed limit under any circumstances. For our safety, of course
Erm hate to tell you , 7th July 2024 speed limiters on new cars will become mandatory ! Stu did a vid about this a while back , put it into google , big brother is here to stay and has a big stick to beat you with !
Stuart. Relocate to Thailand. You can enjoy big cc motorcycling without all those Euro regulation hasles and you can find motorcycle modification boutiques at reasonable prices.
Stuart I am just a woman with concerns about our Country but most of all all our children's futures. I think your Channel is extremely important, interesting & informative & I am sharing this video & your previous videos to my neighbour who is a motorbike fanatic. Stuart please keep up your excellent content. Thankyou. Love & Light Amanda Jane ❤️ ✨️ ❤✨️❤✨️❤✨️❤✨️❤✨️❤✨️
I bought a new Triumph 900 end of last year, so it has a Cat and an Eco compliant engine.
Since then I’ve seen countless videos on how to remove the Cat in the exhaust pipes to get the lost performance back 😂
Thanks for the update....cheers John
Thanks for the update
Very informative. Thank you.
Fantastic video Stuart
Well said Stuart, the tro;;s will always be with us.
Great respect for you as a motorcycle copper and thank you for highlighting this 👍
Stuart I love your videos, I try and work out where you are riding lol I'm Hull born and bred so it's lovely seeing parts of Hull and surrounding areas of East Yorkshire.
Same for me. Can’t always make out the signs though.
It's a possibility the manufacturing bases knew this was coming. Look at all the sub 650 bikes being rolled out. Singles and twins now seem the norm. I seem to be going in a full circle. 500 and 750 twins when I started. V4's, straight 4's even a straight 6. Back to a 650 Interceptor and 750 Hornet now. New Himalayan on order.
Saw my local dealer out yesterday on what is probably their Him 450 demonstrator. Must arrange a test ride 👍
re roundabout, well said Stuart, you applied common sense to a given situation and common sense should always get priority over arbitrary rules and laws.
the screw is gradually being tightened , what will be left once it bottoms out? Mad Max maybe.
I feel your frustration regarding the ambulance, many times I have pulled in to give way to an emergency vehicle only to be overtaken by the car behind who isn't driving with the required amount of concentration and never looks in their rearview mirror. The thought of being forced towards a low range electric motorcycle is very depressing. I think that's what Brussels wants. I hope my bike doesn't become an ornament.
Bit by bit, a minute amount at a time, they are moving towards the total removal of all ICE vehicles from the roads.
That is EXACTLY what is happening and it is not by accident.
Hell yeah! That is the future I am voting for.
Here in Cyprus we don't have MOTs for motorcycles but it is being introduced this year, but as is usual in Cyprus nothing is in place yet, but watch this space.
Its MrT well said you was in the right regarding roundabout must give way to all emergency vehicles inc buses
Thank you for another brilliant video. You echo a lot of my thoughts, and put them accross calmly and eloquently. You also have a backdrop of my favourite area that l worked/drove in
...reminding me of better days, and the wonderful people of Hull and East Yorkshire.
Excellent response! Thank you for yet another expose of the another nail in the motorcycling wooden casket 👍👏👌
Thanks for the effort you put into the videos Stuart
As for those ignorant idiots who abuse you personally then unsubscribe and go somewhere else , not every video is to everyone’s liking, but that doesn’t give you the right to be abusive
I’m and old school biker, and us bikers used to stick together in a tight community, but it seems that is lacking nowadays,
So stop criticising, and show some respect to someone whom is doing their best, to help us fellow bikers
Cheers Stuart , good food for thought.
Nice video and informative.
Good on u stu. Cant believe some people gave negitvie coments on that rbout stop.
Very enjoyable content and a great narrative in favour of considering the facts, I’m somewhat embarrassed if folk have been rude.
Well Stu; it doesn’t bode well for 2 litre, diesel engined, non-cat fitted, faster than the speed of sound motorcycles! I can’t unsee the bear on your Shotgun now, it appeared again under the lighting conditions as you were riding down off the bridge! By the way, you were absolutely correct to stop on the roundabout, to give priority to the ambulance. You’ll have to make allowances for the comments if they originated from Audi or Tesla drivers; cut them some slack.
It took me awhile to see the bear, but saw it, as you said, when riding off the bridge, and yes, can't unsee it now 😀
Don't let these idiots grind you down Stuart. Were with you all the way.
Thanks Stuart for this video. Being a senior rider, I am no longer interested in joining the “ton up” club . So these increasingly restrictive bike regulations have little effect on me. However, I can see the writing on the wall as you have pointed out and it’s disturbing to say the least. I intend to get the most enjoyment out of however many years of riding I have left, and quite enjoy doing it on smaller capacity bikes. Cheers and ride safe, Dan ✌️🏍🇨🇦
Raining here in Suffolk in more ways than one! Thanks for this heads up Stuart ……A shame this video wasn’t on 1st of April?!
We’ve barely had a day without rain in Suffolk for five months, I don’t know how Stuart is always riding in dry sunny conditions in Yorkshire 😂
My KTM 1290 SDR is Euro 5, and I believe it’s grown to 1390 to meet new emission standards. It seems hard to imagine there aren’t solutions for stronger emission regulations and unfair if they only apply to motorcycles. Japanese manufacturers have invested a lot in emission controls considering the return of the Kawasaki ZX400RR and Honda CB600R, and it would be terrible if they become a lost cause only a year after being reintroduced to the market. I saw a video recently that suggested having less cylinders helped meet emissions, which is why singles, twins and triples have grown in popularity. Hopefully the KTM V-twin line up will be safe for the future 🤞. We need a little madness in this increasingly dystopian world 🤔😉
It is all in their plan to stop private vehicle ownership, also, a small displacement motorbike would be hell on earth for touring, something I love to do on my bike.
Great analysis as usual. I wonder if we will see an increase in people going for the decat exhaust?
Another good video Stuart, you're quite right with the troll issues. Unfortunately, some people have nothing better to do and must have really shallow lives. Anyway, as for Euro 5B, there dies seem to be a very anti motorcycle element who make these policies, I think one day in the not too distant future a large capacity motorcycle will be a thing we used to be able to buy, my only worry is how long before the powers that be try to mess around with current bikes.
All too easy to mess with new.
But yes existing bikes
My guests is either: 1/introduce an emissions check or eventually increase "green taxes" on E5 fuel to the point of it being financially difficult to maintain an older bike or even car..
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2/the mandatory introduction of insurance black boxes /telematics.
Drive outside of "economical parameters"
pay increased insurance or
" fixed penalty fines"
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Perhaps..Maybe I shouldn't be giving them any ideas....🤔
Goodness Stuart, in the late 1970's the humble Honda 250 super-dream would exceed the 81 mph limit as did most 250's then. My old bike would have been proud to know that it is now classed as a performance machine. What's next Brussels, ride on mowers? Love the channel Stuart, keep up the great content.
My first job was at Tesco (Bev high rd) there was a small roundabout to get to the staff car park which was also the exit for deliveries. My mother who I shared the car with would ask why I always stopped before turning even though I had right of way. I said better to be careful and alive than dead and in the right.
So I assumed Stu just stopped for a good reason.
Thanks!
thankÿou philip!
Expect a lot of bikes going into limp mode at dangerous times while riding!
My VW Passat 1.9tdi needed a news Catalytic Converter at its last MOT. Mileage 127,000 miles and 18 years old . It was the original one and itself had not failed but the part of the exhaust it was attached to was leaking so it had to be replaced. The whole part cost £116.00 so not outrageous by any means. My previous Passat (Same Model) had done 200,000 when I sold it with its original Catalytic Converter still in tact!! In fact the entre exhaust system was still all original!! Obviously well made and durable . Sounds like Motorcyclists are being ripped off here!!
but a vw isnt really comparable to an r1 is it? it doesnt matter on a vw if its big, heavy and restrictive, because providing the car does its job, who cares. but on an r1 it does matter, its getting put through a completely different scenario.
Whats the matter with people we've all done that. Took the police riding course and they are superb riders. Only wish I was as good as them
Thanks uncle Stu for your update and very good explaining on this item. They want us in a 15 minutes city is what i think, the endgame of the climate popes. Software to be able to follow your every step. Rules and regulations, pffff. I have hope that they do not succeed in all there plans. Whether you have a big or small bice, we are family so enjoy your rides at the best and really be happy , i know i am when i am riding on 2 wheels.
Thanks again Stuart for keeping us informed
I liked your smooth ride. I don't know much about the present situation in the UK, but in some other countries sales of high performance motorcycles has declined sharply. Insane insurance costs, especially for younger riders in big cities. With diminishing market, manufacturers are less likely to invest heavily in upgrading their top end bikes to meet emission regulations. On track days you can have equal fun on a decent handling lesser powered bike. To use the full power of a premium sports bike on road only benefits those in need of a organ donor.
Oop, 15:00 touching the painted area of a mini roundabout is a mod 2 fail now... 😢
Anyway, i thought Brussels was all about cutting CO2... Cats don't do that, so i don't understand their motive tbh.
Time we all emigrated - great biking over in South Africa, great weather, no annoying euro rules and a big house for under £100k; dreamy!
Obviously the trolls are the ones that shouldn't be on the road ,if they can't hear or see an ambulance coming they're a danger to the rest of us ? 😅
Thanks again for your research and information on the future regulations, I'll keep and use my present older bikes as long as I can, and my classic 350 should keep me in compliance with all this oppression for the foreseeable future or until I pop my cloggs, it's the next generation I feel for that will receive penalties for so much as farting in the street !
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Cheers Mel 🍻
Hi Stuart, with regards to the so called Trolls. Having watched your channel for some years now and the way you ride. I'd trust you with my life to ride as a pillion passenger, (something I do very very infrequently by the way due to the rider and past experiences, only a couple of my old friends are included in this trust when needs be) and feel quite safe, which I most certainly wouldn't with what I presume to be the detractor (Troll) rider, having observed how some of them perform and no doubt drive. I'm now into my 51st year as a motorcyclist and having witnessed how some people ride it's a wonder the ruling masters (who ever they are) haven't banned us all from the roads as yet. Please don't think for one moment that I'm some sort of kill joy as I firmly believe in our freedom to enjoy our riding and passion.
Anyway moving on... 😀
My current ride is the Royal Enfield Interceptor which I purchased in 2019 having watched your reviews of the bike. I've uprated many parts YSS fork springs with the emulators, YSS rear shocks the same as yours, touring seat etc. These modifications really do improve what is already a great bike if any owners are interested. As for the other subjects you cover I find them most enthralling and enlightening (that Rolex especially) thank you. Keep up the good work and I'm sorry if I may have gone on a bit.
Hi Stuart, great article keep them coming. Regarding emissions, if they stop breading so many cows for the beef market, the emissions would decline drastically, sadly no one wants to give up their big macs 😅
Sad to hear you had so many rebuffs to your articles, i never thought there would be so many narrow minded bikers. Keep your articles coming they're great 👍
looks like i might be keeping my new bike i bought a month ago for a few more years than planned then.
Thank you Stu as always for keeping us informed. This is just another example of how bit by bit our freedom of movement using our own motor transport is being eroded. They nibble away with bite sized legislation, which goes virtually unnoticed until that by the time people realise the damage caused by the cumulative effect of all these changes, the door for meaningful objection has long closed.
Thanks Richard! Yes it seems the frog boiling method is very effective!
Unreal Stuart unreal total planks
Good on ya stu...I would and have done the same in a car a ambulance gets my presidence in at all times too....😊
To monitor the cat the ecu needs an o2 sensor before and after the cat. o2 sensor deletes are easy to make for anyone with a electronics skills. They'll be available from ebay and aliexpress for anyone to buy.
The other thing with motorcycles is the exhaust is easy to change. So community groups will just swap in a good exhaust borrowed from a friend for the test and then put their old aftermarket exhaust back on afterwards.
I done my cbt in October iv got a ybr custom 125 im itching to get to the next level so i can get a bigger bike . I really like the Royal enfield super meteor 650 . It looks like iv come into motorcycling at the wrong time . Im 58 really wish id done it years ago .
In this video you answered a question that’s I had from another of your recent video’s where you swapped out the exhaust pipe of your ‘baby mule’. After the ‘cat’ was removed and left off, I wondered if the bike would pass an MOT test. After this video the answer is clearly N/A at the moment, but it sounds as though it will soon need to be revisited.
At the moment no emissions test on motorbikes.
If you replace the exhaust it must NOT say
_for off road use only_
I asked My local MOT shop for clarification on replacement exhausts.
Let's face it, they have ruined the entire pastime of motoring both for bikes and cars. Last week, I was on my way to buy a 350 classic Halcyon in Derby.
I didn't have a sat nav, but I knew all the road numbers I needed to follow. (Old school). The A6 diverted me around Derby, so I took the plunge and headed for the city centre (Bob Minions motorcycles London Road) Thsn it happened !!! BUS LANE CAMERAS, SPEED CAMERAS, NO ROAD SIGNS,OR NUMBERS. I gave up and came home. No bike.
I knew Big Brother was about to rob me.
Sorry but the Government have already robbed me of the motoring pleasure, and I'm not about to be robbed again by the Councils. I'm defeated
Rgds
Mike N
Sorry to bleat on about our "free" country, but seriously just stand back and list all the controls that are imposed on us. It's a joke.
Take no notice of the Muppets mate, as a retired class 1 rider / driver myself I know that most of them wouldn’t even realise an emergency service vehicle may need to make progress.
Hey politicians leave the bike drivers alone !
Here we go . . . Card-in-the-slot horse troughs & 'Ginster's pony nuts on sale in the Kwik-Shoe shop'.
It’s very interesting, I always saw it as an open can, single or twin, the complexity surrounding the drum of the exhaust, is a bit odd and naturally taking care of your engine 👍
we hired a euro 5 engine /water pump, it produced more soot than the older type it replaced. The man who delivered it said they were a bit rubbish compared to older ones .
I'll brace myself in advance for the hate replies, go ahead, I can take it.
I own two motorcycles. I have removed the catalytic converters from both, because of many problems - just to mention one, serious heat from the converter location - ok in winter, really not ok in summer in slow traffic. Both bikes are old enough that the converter wouldn't be working properly anyway.
Fortunately I'm old enough that I probably won't be buying another bike (and most certainly not a new one) this time around. I feel sympathy for those younger than me.
Do you have to refit the cat pipe for MOTs?
@@borderlands6606 On both of my bikes the cat is inside a combiner box (v2, 2 into 1 combiner). All I did (had done) was to cut open the combiner, destroy the cat with hammer and chisel, weld the combiner box closed again. The ECU has enough variation to be able to cope with the changed exhaust flow without wrecking performance - actually performance improved in both cases. Exhaust note is louder but not irritatingly so.
@@clive1294 Okay, thanks. I was unsure whether removing the cat would increase emissions enough to fail the MOT, or the cat was something manufacturers were forced to fit but users didn't have to have. Searching online was ambiguous, so cheers for that.
So my understanding on exhausts is this.
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Currently there is ot emissions check on motorbike as Stuart stated in the video..
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I'm thinking of replacing my exhaust on my bike which has cats.
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I contacted the insurer who said they would still cover a bike with a "replacement exhaust"
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My local MOT station said as long as the exhaust does NOT say,
_for off road use only_
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Think you'll be ok for the time being.
I'm gonna keep the original exhaust in case of legislative changes....
@@stuartd9741 I tried to figure out what the MOT regulations imply exactly, but I failed. Perhaps I just don't understand English that well, or maybe they don't make perfect sense. Either way, I am unable to tell you whether a correctly executed MOT check will or will not fail a bike without a cat. Generally though my understanding is that they pass.
Another great video and RE logic in capping the speed limitation’s certainly makes sense.
Cannot believe you had so many trolls commenting on manoeuvres…so funny when you switched on the sound of the ambulance approaching together with it passing by… 😂
In 138 days I will ride this road at the beginning, to IOM.😅 I am happy to be over 62, future will not get better. Sorry, but that is my feeling.
You don’t know the law, you don’t know how to ride a motorcycle, yet these people continue to watch your channel. Great video as usual Stuart.
The EUSSR and logic-oxymoron.
When the water cooled T120 came out I took one out for a test ride, having ridden to the dealers on a 900 Thunderbird. It was the first time I'd experienced the insane mapping needed to meet the emission laws and I was horrified. Unlike my many other Hinkley Triumphs, including a 955i, it had awful throttle characteristics. Rolling off the throttle into a roundabout was frightening, as the engine seemed to brake, rather than coast. I didn't buy it. Since then, I've had a new Thruxton R, Tiger 900 and Tiger Sport. In all cases I rode them in Sports mode as default, simply to gain smoother control.
When I asked about the snappy throttle, my dealer smiled and gave me a free ( illegal?) remap, saying that the standard map was necessary for type approval and they regularly remapped the bikes, with a wink from Triumphs.
I still ride a Thunderbird, fitted with triple Mikunis. I get 50 plus mpg and it goes like a scalded cat. Personally, I can't see the progress in 25 years, from a riders perspective.
Exactly what you should have done at a roundabout, as I understand it as soon as you are aware of a siren or flashing lights you have to act accordingly by stopping or pulling over to allow free flow for emergency services. All the people who have sold their original pipes after fitting a free flow will be out of pocket
Hello Stuart,
Amazingly enough for the same reason as you I have done the exact same roundabout stop on my RT1200 in Warrington. Don't let the cesspit of social media get you down (actually, you sound like you're thick skinned enough to not need advice !)
Thanks Stuart you tret us to a good dose of common sense! 😉
P0420 and it goes into limp in mode, just requires a downstream narrowband O2 sensor.
Were in the UK not the EU, we should take no further part in the Euro regulation madness.
One thing I honestly don't get is my vehicle is 100% compliant to ULEZ yet I've STILL gotta pay the congestion charge!? like what the f***!! :(
Desktop experts and key board warriors eh Stuart, where would we be without their profound knowledge?.
I wonder. Could this move potentially bolster the 2nd hand market for older bikes?