The hate for this car is so laughable. It's the best WRX ever built. Fact. 245 at the wheels makes it approximately 300-305 at the crank. This is a very good car. Looks are subjective by the way. So get over yourselves.
Yo I want people to hate this car because it keeps the price down lmao 😂 a brand new one of these is like $15k less than a caned STI thats a salvage title
@@carguy... Necro reply.. but 273HP/263TQ with E85, which was only added as they were running 91 (Premium) instead of 92/93. And that's without a tune of any kind at all. When tuned on E they run extremely well, and it's insanely cheap to do that as well.
Absolutely - same HP as the last STI. Plus better torque delivery……..better car. I guess some can’t get away from the three magic letters, even though there dont really understand the role STI plays within Subaru. I stopped reading negative comments. After eight Subarus, including two WRXs, i know these comments are crap. Thanks for yours.
@@CarsupClose ya to clean up the 91. Luckily I have 93 around here! And yes there are videos out there with the car running 93 on the dyno where it makes those numbers!
I got my 2022 wrx a month ago and I have to say it’s grown on me so much more then I thought, I wasn’t the biggest fan of the new body but every day I’m falling in love with it can’t wait for things to finally start coming out.
Got mine on may 13. Already have a weird grinding noise coming from pulleys just don’t know which one or why. Taking it in on Tuesday… hope I didn’t get a lemon.
I’ve had my 2022 WRX since the middle of April and I love it more and more everyday. I think it looks fantastic, and I’ve even had people come up to me and say how GREAT the rear end looks in real life. Don’t Watch all the BS videos online of other peoples reviews. The cab is phenomenal and leaps and bounds better than the VA chassis with the FA20 motor. The new FA24 is a GEM! If anyone is wondering, the car runs really well on 87 octane. I did a 350 mile road trip today and ran 87 to see how it runs. It didn’t ping or do anything weird. I averaged 32 mpg. I will not try 91 on a figure road trip to see if it’s any different.
I had , the 2020, sti, 2021 wrx, and now have the 2022 wrx. The 2022 is way , way better than either . It actually creates more usable power , even power. It rides way nicer. It's a better car. Much better. It's quicker than the sti. Every time. Love it
exactly. All these haters have never even driven one. The 2022 WRX feels much more refined than any of the previous ones. My only complaint would be no brembos but I guess I can't expect too much from a $32k car.
@@randomtroglodyte7272 yep you are so right. Yeah they did add bigger brakes but the brembos would have been nice. I'm driving the heck out of this car and it is so much more fun than the previous gens. People really need to drive it. They don't even get what an awesome car this is.
The biggest surprise was BONE STOCK with 94 Octane fuel and the charcoal filter delete on the air box and we put the Perrin drop-in air filter... 297whp@289wtq CHOCKING !!! 😳😳😳😳😳
2015+ WRX, Stock Tune + 3 Gallons of e85 Testing April 2014 WARNINGS: - After 3 gallons of e85 is added, the tank must always be filled to full with pump gas. - Do NOT use 3 gallons of e85 during a pro tune. It will skew the results and may cause the tune to be too aggressive due to the increased octane from the e85. CLIFF NOTES: - Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 on a stock WRX tune? Yes. - Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 on a Cobb OTS map? Yes. - Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 after a pro tune? Yes. - Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 DURING a tune? NO. DETAILED INFO: This testing was done on my personal 2015 WRX on the stock tune in April 2014. When I first bought my 2015 WRX in April of 2014 the Cobb AP didn't exist for it yet. Luckily someone on the Romraider forum had made a logging definition for the car so i was utilizing my Tactrix cable and Romraider to log the car. My DAM was down at 0.312, I had -8 degrees of FLKC and more FBKC. The ignition timing was basically down 10-15 degrees over the whole powerband. Ultimately dumping timing like this makes cars jerky and just overall drive live shit. This is when i decided to start putting ethanol in the car. I started with 1 gallon, then 2, then 3. Ultimately 3 gallons of e85 is where i stopped....it was successfully stopping all the knock and the AFR was getting pretty lean. Adding the 3 gallons of e85 to a full tank of 91e10 makes the resultant ethanol content e24. In the ignition timing plot below, you can see that the ethanol stopped all the knock effectively adding all the timing back to the car. At 2000rpm and 6500rpm the timing went up by 13 degrees....in the meat of the powerband it picked up 5-8 degrees of timing. In the fueling plots below you can see that the Air Fuel Ratio (AFR) leaned out by 10-12%. This is due to the ethanol and one of the major reasons flex fuel sensors exist. An e85 tune requires 45-50% more fuel at all times than a pump gas tune. On pump gas the car was running right around 11:1 AFR at wide open throttle, with 3 gallons of ethanol it leaned out to 12.2:1. In the Virtual Dyno plot below you can see the car picked up around 30whp. The gains are from adding all the ignition timing back in that was missing from the knock and also from the AFR leaning out from 11:1 to 12:1. If you choose to try this, YOU MUST ALWAYS FILL THE REST OF THE GAS TANK WITH PUMP GAS AFTER PUTTNIG IN THE ETHANOL. IF YOU PUT IN 3 GALLONS OF e85 INTO AN EMPTY TANK YOU WILL BE ABOVE e70 WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT AND WILL MAKE YOUR CAR LEAN WAY OUT. IF YOU'RE STUCK SOMEWHERE WITH 91 OCTANE THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET RID OF ALL THE KNOCK AND MAKE SOME SOLID GAINS. FAQ: Q: Can I run 3 gallons of ethanol on my stock 2015+ WRX? A: Yes. Q: Are there any downsides? A: I did not experience any. Q: Can I run 3gallons of ethanol on my protune or an OTS map? A: The simple answer is to just try it. If you put the ethanol in and the car knocks worse...stop doing it. If the knock decreases and the car feels better, then you're likely fine. Remember, you must always fill the car up to full after the ethanol is added. Q: What do you think about the MAP e30 OTS map? A: Don't really know anything about it. I personally will NOT tune a car on ethanol without a flex fuel kit and dw300c fuel pump. Can you do it and have success? Yes. Is it risky? Yes. The whole reason running an ethanol tune without flex fuel is NOT safe is because the content varies. It's only SUPPOSED to drop to e70 at most pumps BUT there are pumps out here that say "may be as low as e52".....and there are places like AZ that only have e54 at the pump. And many shops have reported ethanol content dropping all the way into the 30's. That's when a juiced up tune without a flex fuel sensor has issues. 5 gallons of e85 and 11 gallons of 91 makes e33. 5 gallons of e54 and 11 gallons of 91 makes e23. Q: Can this be done with 92, 93, or 94 as the base fuel? A: Yes. Although as the base octane increases, the results are less and less drastic because the car is not knocking alot on the base octane.
So if this car made that much more power with E85 after just throwing it in, would putting in 93 octane allow the ECU to react similarly as E85 just with less gains?
In stock form they are essentially the same as far as power. Dyno tuning isn't an exact thing anyways. You can "gain" 30whp just by running it again without making any changes.
@ Ugur's Garage, looking at other dyno comparison videos expect the VA to make more power from 2500 to 5000 RPM and VA with a peak torque 20 lbs higher.
@@sirfrancisbacon4344 so if that's the case the factory "271 hp" rating is very conservative, or have I been out of the game so long that manufacturers now advertise WHP/TQ figures ?
@@BuffRANGE i don't know i haven't finished the video yet i wonder if the e85 has an effect. Could also be conservative estimate from subaru and/or high reading from the dyno and/or current weather/ elevation or any combination of those things
Well done video. Very professional, the comments, the music, the information, the knowledge. I can't to buy one and modify it for more power. I'm a serious snow skier, and I need a car that can kick ass up and the mountains.
These all switch to open loop under high load. The CL to OL delay always sucked on factory STI tunes (because they compensated for the lean AFR by pulling timing until it switched tables) and I zeroed it out on both that I've owned and tuned. It did improve over the years, but not good enough for my liking. You'd need an accurate wideband sensor installed from the factory to run closed loop under all conditions. Some manufacturers do that, though.
Wow awesome,I just got my 2022 WRX and driving it about 1000 miles,actually I love the new powertrain,it’s very easy to drive around as daily drive car. you guys did a great job subispeed ,still waiting for more after market parts come out for my subi baebae😎
@@icemantuck2638 I have. Which is why I said that Dyno says otherwise fot the people that havent. It'll take them a couple years to offer a good tune, much like they did with the VA.
@@only4hw Curious what about the dyno graph indicates it's not a good tune? Most reviewers who have put the VB on a dyno have said the opposite of you.
Bro you can run your stock Subaru with 3 gallons of E85 but you have to fill the tank with 91 or 93. The pulls are better and the car runs pretty smooth. Remember only 3 gallons of E85 no more and fill the tank with 91 or 93.
Will these cars be tuned using cobb? Hope not because their stupid green speed. Stand alone or open source, so can do everything would be great. I think having a fabricator do a custom rotated turbo kit would be the way to go
Baseline so that when we add mods we know the power difference. Every dyno reads different so we wanted a to know what a 22 WRX makes on Paragon's dyno
It will be interesting to see what can be done through tuning on these considering the restrictions that are being put on cars and tuners now. I’m surprised you would dump e85 in on a stock tune. Seems risky to me on a new vehicle but that’s me. There will definitely be people modding these but when you can and how much you can do will be another thing. EPA emissions standards and rules are becoming more difficult all the time unfortunately raining on the parade for anyone who is an enthusiast. Thanks for the content and enjoy the car 😀
Love this info. Currently have my 2011 WRX hatch and keeping it. But need a daily and this may help me decide. I do like the new WRX and am heavily considering it now
If you get your tank to empty, and put 3 gallons first then the rest 91, you’ll be fine. Never go over 3 gallons of e85 unless your tuned. You’ll run your car way to lean
I was debating between this and a 2022 Dodge Challenger RT. I live in Michigan so i'll be dealing with the snow so the AWD seemed to be the better choice. Until I realized that either way this will be the first new car i've ever bought in my life there's no way it'l see the snow and salt. So I ordered the challenger, and bought a cheap little FWD shitbox of a beater for winter.
... and this is why I advise people skip intakes, EGR/TGV deletes as far as ways to make power... because the difference on the same dyno with same car from one run to another is larger than any difference those mods will make at power levels 99% of people will mod for.
A great video brother. I am so glad I have my 2020 STI and I had a 2017 base model WRX. Subies forever. I believe that STI ran out of time developing that FA24 motor. Stay safe guys.
I see one in my place here at the dealership 2021 Wrx base trim black 7,950 miles on it. i took it home i am so happy i did not choose the new 2022 WRX model.
Subaru could’ve literally just stuck with the sti as well then switch over to electric whenever. I didn’t get the point of removing the sti while the wrx still exists 🤦♂️
When a car is on a dyno the power shown is power that it puts to the ground. Most car manufacturers when they sell a car they go off crank hp which is always higher, due to drivetrain loss.
Similar peak power, but a much more beefy powerband on the new one and that's what matters! Drive them both back to back and the difference is huge. The wrx is still the bargain in this segment.
Meanwhile, Toyota, BMW and VW all produce a decent amount *more power* when dyno'd than the official figures from the manufacturer on regular pump fuel, without the need for E85.
Best power to cost ratio for an AWD on the market. Yes, you could get a FWD that may be slightly cheaper/quicker but the WRX is the best all around. I couldn't imagine dropping $40k on a damn Hyundai front drive just to gain a few .10's 0-60.
Almost literally identical numbers for the outgoing FA20, Not worth the cost to buy this car with its looks and minimal HP gains in stock form, Also car still has the TY75 Trans which cannot handle over 350 WHP
Drive one it’s way better than the VA. My VB is so fast and it pops when you get into boost. Like every gear will give off 4 pops going into the next gear when you shift near 6k. It’s so fucking good.
FA24 is a different league to the FA20, prime motorsport made over 320hp atw on E30 and 12psi with the FA24, you need over double the psi for an FA20 to make that power on factory turbo. Not to mention the FA24 internals are significantly stronger than the FA20's, bolt ons and E85 proper tune the FA24 will piss in 400whp without bending rods and still have nice torque through the whole rev range.
@@icemantuck2638 I've driven a 22 wrx premium. Me and my wife both said hell no to it. She thinks it's a waste to trade my 19 wrx for that car and I agree. If I upgrade it will be a Nissan z.
The hate for this car is so laughable. It's the best WRX ever built. Fact. 245 at the wheels makes it approximately 300-305 at the crank. This is a very good car. Looks are subjective by the way. So get over yourselves.
All the hate is VA fanboys trying to justify their $600/month car payment on the older model. Happens with every new gen. car from civics to mustangs.
I mean it's make 245hp with E that is horrible in today's world.
Yo I want people to hate this car because it keeps the price down lmao 😂 a brand new one of these is like $15k less than a caned STI thats a salvage title
@@carguy... Necro reply.. but 273HP/263TQ with E85, which was only added as they were running 91 (Premium) instead of 92/93. And that's without a tune of any kind at all. When tuned on E they run extremely well, and it's insanely cheap to do that as well.
Absolutely - same HP as the last STI. Plus better torque delivery……..better car. I guess some can’t get away from the three magic letters, even though there dont really understand the role STI plays within Subaru. I stopped reading negative comments. After eight Subarus, including two WRXs, i know these comments are crap. Thanks for yours.
Here I’ll save you the time. 245hp and 250 Torques
271hp and 260 Torque was their best run
Just as pathetic as I thought it was going to be. Thanks
Thanks m8
@@DanMeyer86 was that with e85?
@@CarsupClose ya to clean up the 91. Luckily I have 93 around here! And yes there are videos out there with the car running 93 on the dyno where it makes those numbers!
I got my 2022 wrx a month ago and I have to say it’s grown on me so much more then I thought, I wasn’t the biggest fan of the new body but every day I’m falling in love with it can’t wait for things to finally start coming out.
Got mine on may 13. Already have a weird grinding noise coming from pulleys just don’t know which one or why. Taking it in on Tuesday… hope I didn’t get a lemon.
I'm glad it makes you happy but if it just had a different rear...
I'm keeping my 14 because of that 22 ass end.
Hope you keep enjoying it, though!
The rear bumper somehow looks good in person but like shit in a picture. It weird to see something in a picture as ugly but looks good in person.
@@CharacterZero89 facts! I can vouch for this comment! ;)
I’ve had my 2022 WRX since the middle of April and I love it more and more everyday. I think it looks fantastic, and I’ve even had people come up to me and say how GREAT the rear end looks in real life. Don’t Watch all the BS videos online of other peoples reviews. The cab is phenomenal and leaps and bounds better than the VA chassis with the FA20 motor. The new FA24 is a GEM! If anyone is wondering, the car runs really well on 87 octane. I did a 350 mile road trip today and ran 87 to see how it runs. It didn’t ping or do anything weird. I averaged 32 mpg. I will not try 91 on a figure road trip to see if it’s any different.
I had , the 2020, sti, 2021 wrx, and now have the 2022 wrx. The 2022 is way , way better than either . It actually creates more usable power , even power. It rides way nicer. It's a better car. Much better. It's quicker than the sti. Every time. Love it
Same power to the wheels as a sti and a few hundred pounds lighter if you get a base/premium
I agree 100% I love my 22 wrx
exactly. All these haters have never even driven one. The 2022 WRX feels much more refined than any of the previous ones. My only complaint would be no brembos but I guess I can't expect too much from a $32k car.
@@randomtroglodyte7272 yep you are so right. Yeah they did add bigger brakes but the brembos would have been nice. I'm driving the heck out of this car and it is so much more fun than the previous gens. People really need to drive it. They don't even get what an awesome car this is.
@@randomtroglodyte7272 steering feel could be tighter not the handling. Also it's a tad high up and the seats should go lower imho.
The biggest surprise was BONE STOCK with 94 Octane fuel and the charcoal filter delete on the air box and we put the Perrin drop-in air filter... 297whp@289wtq CHOCKING !!! 😳😳😳😳😳
Perfect stock/fun go ratings. Watching all these driving videos makes me really want one for a practical and fun daily
Great run guys . Looks like the 2022 can be unlocked for extra safe fun. I’m still waiting for my 2022 to arrive down under.
i wanna kno what it makes on 93? with some bolt ons can make over 300 easy on this car
Graham is an awesome tuner. I love seeing him in the videos. Go boosted performance!
Graham is awesome. He tuned my WRX at Six Star.
Our tuner. lol
@@jGRite in Graham we trust. haha! Did mine at Boosted Performance too
2015+ WRX, Stock Tune + 3 Gallons of e85 Testing April 2014
WARNINGS:
- After 3 gallons of e85 is added, the tank must always be filled to full with pump gas.
- Do NOT use 3 gallons of e85 during a pro tune. It will skew the results and may cause the tune to be too aggressive due to the increased octane from the e85.
CLIFF NOTES:
- Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 on a stock WRX tune? Yes.
- Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 on a Cobb OTS map? Yes.
- Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 after a pro tune? Yes.
- Is it fine to run 3 gallons of e85 DURING a tune? NO.
DETAILED INFO:
This testing was done on my personal 2015 WRX on the stock tune in April 2014.
When I first bought my 2015 WRX in April of 2014 the Cobb AP didn't exist for it yet. Luckily someone on the Romraider forum had made a logging definition for the car so i was utilizing my Tactrix cable and Romraider to log the car. My DAM was down at 0.312, I had -8 degrees of FLKC and more FBKC. The ignition timing was basically down 10-15 degrees over the whole powerband. Ultimately dumping timing like this makes cars jerky and just overall drive live shit. This is when i decided to start putting ethanol in the car. I started with 1 gallon, then 2, then 3. Ultimately 3 gallons of e85 is where i stopped....it was successfully stopping all the knock and the AFR was getting pretty lean. Adding the 3 gallons of e85 to a full tank of 91e10 makes the resultant ethanol content e24.
In the ignition timing plot below, you can see that the ethanol stopped all the knock effectively adding all the timing back to the car. At 2000rpm and 6500rpm the timing went up by 13 degrees....in the meat of the powerband it picked up 5-8 degrees of timing.
In the fueling plots below you can see that the Air Fuel Ratio (AFR) leaned out by 10-12%. This is due to the ethanol and one of the major reasons flex fuel sensors exist. An e85 tune requires 45-50% more fuel at all times than a pump gas tune. On pump gas the car was running right around 11:1 AFR at wide open throttle, with 3 gallons of ethanol it leaned out to 12.2:1.
In the Virtual Dyno plot below you can see the car picked up around 30whp. The gains are from adding all the ignition timing back in that was missing from the knock and also from the AFR leaning out from 11:1 to 12:1.
If you choose to try this, YOU MUST ALWAYS FILL THE REST OF THE GAS TANK WITH PUMP GAS AFTER PUTTNIG IN THE ETHANOL. IF YOU PUT IN 3 GALLONS OF e85 INTO AN EMPTY TANK YOU WILL BE ABOVE e70 WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT AND WILL MAKE YOUR CAR LEAN WAY OUT.
IF YOU'RE STUCK SOMEWHERE WITH 91 OCTANE THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET RID OF ALL THE KNOCK AND MAKE SOME SOLID GAINS.
FAQ:
Q: Can I run 3 gallons of ethanol on my stock 2015+ WRX?
A: Yes.
Q: Are there any downsides?
A: I did not experience any.
Q: Can I run 3gallons of ethanol on my protune or an OTS map?
A: The simple answer is to just try it. If you put the ethanol in and the car knocks worse...stop doing it. If the knock decreases and the car feels better, then you're likely fine. Remember, you must always fill the car up to full after the ethanol is added.
Q: What do you think about the MAP e30 OTS map?
A: Don't really know anything about it. I personally will NOT tune a car on ethanol without a flex fuel kit and dw300c fuel pump. Can you do it and have success? Yes. Is it risky? Yes. The whole reason running an ethanol tune without flex fuel is NOT safe is because the content varies. It's only SUPPOSED to drop to e70 at most pumps BUT there are pumps out here that say "may be as low as e52".....and there are places like AZ that only have e54 at the pump. And many shops have reported ethanol content dropping all the way into the 30's. That's when a juiced up tune without a flex fuel sensor has issues.
5 gallons of e85 and 11 gallons of 91 makes e33.
5 gallons of e54 and 11 gallons of 91 makes e23.
Q: Can this be done with 92, 93, or 94 as the base fuel?
A: Yes. Although as the base octane increases, the results are less and less drastic because the car is not knocking alot on the base octane.
Excellent comment and info, appreciate you taking the time to write this up.
That seems like a long way of saying you need to run the same fuel that the car was tuned for.
You ever try running 91 with octane booster?
Thank you for the breakdown
So if this car made that much more power with E85 after just throwing it in, would putting in 93 octane allow the ECU to react similarly as E85 just with less gains?
Graham tuned my 06 STI and my 16 WRX. He’s truly the best in the business. Thanks for the content! 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
What was that engine shuddering about on the 2nd E85 pull? 7:41
I wonder what stock FA20 (VA chassis) made on the same dyno?
Probs the same but running probably 8psi more of boost
In stock form they are essentially the same as far as power. Dyno tuning isn't an exact thing anyways. You can "gain" 30whp just by running it again without making any changes.
@ Ugur's Garage, looking at other dyno comparison videos expect the VA to make more power from 2500 to 5000 RPM and VA with a peak torque 20 lbs higher.
@@ChiSpire VB=FA24, VA=FA20
@@jamesg8246 yes I know
What’s the typical drivetrain loss on the WRX? By the WHP vs stated factory is 8% about right or is Subaru conservative on those factory numbers ?
20% for the awd is the ave number thrown around
@@sirfrancisbacon4344 so if that's the case the factory "271 hp" rating is very conservative, or have I been out of the game so long that manufacturers now advertise WHP/TQ figures ?
@@BuffRANGE i don't know i haven't finished the video yet i wonder if the e85 has an effect. Could also be conservative estimate from subaru and/or high reading from the dyno and/or current weather/ elevation or any combination of those things
20-35% drivetrain loss for subie awds
@@longdomedia so it’s safe to say the “271hp” factory rating at the crank is very conservative ?
Well done video. Very professional, the comments, the music, the information, the knowledge. I can't to buy one and modify it for more power. I'm a serious snow skier, and I need a car that can kick ass up and the mountains.
The fan blowing on the intercooler is a win!
Did any prior WRX/STI year models use full-time open loop at the higher loads? Or is this new for 2022 WRX?
These all switch to open loop under high load. The CL to OL delay always sucked on factory STI tunes (because they compensated for the lean AFR by pulling timing until it switched tables) and I zeroed it out on both that I've owned and tuned. It did improve over the years, but not good enough for my liking. You'd need an accurate wideband sensor installed from the factory to run closed loop under all conditions. Some manufacturers do that, though.
What is the best gas for this WRX. I use 93. I saw you use e85 is that the best.
I'd love to see what 20 psi of boost does on just 93 octane.
350whp I imagine
Would make a 2022 STI
Sharp Shotta making it comparative to an sti would be an additional 10k in upgrades atleast.
Blown Trans is what you would see
@@sharpshotta more then that
So an E85 conversion, nothing else could net you a 30hp gain. That's not too bad. I need to do an E85 conversion on my 2016.
not a conversion, we just added 1.5 gallons of E85 to boost the octane and reduce knock
Putting 93 would give similar result to 91+ethanol?
Great video, nice power figures on the dyno! Cant want for a J-pipe to come out and hear the turbo spool🔥
You’re gonna need 15 or 20 pipes in er to make this pile of crap fast 🤣💩
@@bobbydemondukes not really people are pushing 400whp with little mods in these platforms stick to your muscle cars they ain’t shit
@@sixstrz8310 Drugs must be on sale this week! 🤣
@@bobbydemondukes you would know wouldn’t you 😂🤡
@@sixstrz8310 I would. I bought them from you dingleberry. 🤣👍
Sooo did he put e85 with no tune?
Would have loved to see what it does at 87oct just for reference with crazy fuel prices at the moment for those who daily the cars.
I daily mine with 87, it runs great, my gas is down to 3.83 a gallon in nyc no problem at all 👍
Ethanol without a tune?
Will you guys be doing the same content on a BRZ?
Hi guys last weekend I went to the canyon with 600 mile and 12.2 peak boost and when I got home the boost peak went to 14.4
Wow awesome,I just got my 2022 WRX and driving it about 1000 miles,actually I love the new powertrain,it’s very easy to drive around as daily drive car. you guys did a great job subispeed ,still waiting for more after market parts come out for my subi baebae😎
Subaru did a really good tune on this new WRX. Very driveable car.
@@icemantuck2638 That dyno graph does not show a good stock tune lol
@@only4hw Drive one and say otherwise.
@@icemantuck2638 I have. Which is why I said that Dyno says otherwise fot the people that havent. It'll take them a couple years to offer a good tune, much like they did with the VA.
@@only4hw Curious what about the dyno graph indicates it's not a good tune? Most reviewers who have put the VB on a dyno have said the opposite of you.
can you just run e85 stock, Is nothing else needed?
u can run e85 on stock 22 wrx?
Amazing Video !!! Keep up the good work guys !
DO you know if it's the same size turbo?
Awesome video, very informative . Love the tuner’s explanation on what’s going as he sees it in real time.
Ghram knows his stuff!
Hold up, u can just pour E85 in your subi without a flex fuel tune?
Edit: NVM he addresses it later in the video
2/3 tank 91 or 93 & 1/3 tank ethanol.
Bro you can run your stock Subaru with 3 gallons of E85 but you have to fill the tank with 91 or 93. The pulls are better and the car runs pretty smooth. Remember only 3 gallons of E85 no more and fill the tank with 91 or 93.
I did the same thing rn 💀
245 whp?????
Will these cars be tuned using cobb? Hope not because their stupid green speed. Stand alone or open source, so can do everything would be great. I think having a fabricator do a custom rotated turbo kit would be the way to go
You can run e85 on a stock 2022 wrx??
How much e85 did he put ?
Whats the pt of dyno a bone stock car? They are not hand made (engine) so is there a large degree of variation between cars?
Baseline so that when we add mods we know the power difference. Every dyno reads different so we wanted a to know what a 22 WRX makes on Paragon's dyno
Can the 2022 run e85 stock or do you need a kit?
Did you tune it for the e85? I just got a 22 wrx and I'm having trouble finding a flex fuel/e85 kit and tune
I wanna know. It seems like they just threw it in 😂
Lol wow I just had to keep watching to find out…
It will be interesting to see what can be done through tuning on these considering the restrictions that are being put on cars and tuners now. I’m surprised you would dump e85 in on a stock tune. Seems risky to me on a new vehicle but that’s me. There will definitely be people modding these but when you can and how much you can do will be another thing. EPA emissions standards and rules are becoming more difficult all the time unfortunately raining on the parade for anyone who is an enthusiast. Thanks for the content and enjoy the car 😀
That shake @ 7:40 didn't look too healthy. LSPI maybe?
I saw one in the wild same color and base too. The front and side looks nice and curvy but the back looks butt cheeks.
Love this info. Currently have my 2011 WRX hatch and keeping it. But need a daily and this may help me decide. I do like the new WRX and am heavily considering it now
I just saw a red one with paint matched fenders….. go check it out.
did you paint the grill? it looks black, vs the grey it comes as.
must just be the lighting!
Good video, thanks guys!
3263 isn't bad for an awd car!
You ran E in a stock ECU car!??
E85, was that at stock boost?
It’s can run e85 ?
So glad they didn’t make a STI version for this gen.
The 2.4l will destroy the 2.0l. After a tune with bolt ons . My guess 400hp ..safe enough
Prime has hit 336 whp with e30, exhaust and berger jb-4
@@turbonoise do we have any UA-cam sights with tuned fa24dit cars ? It’s clearly a robust engine for mind . May be the best one all time .
Where's part 2
Why not test on 87? I'd love to see the type of knock one might experience running on that.
Ooooffff 91 octane.....always 93 lol. Very useful information guys! Thank you.
i love the wrx but dont like the new rear end i love my 2020 series white wrx
It can run e85 without a kit?
No
What tuning software will be used for this platform of Subaru
Cobb
@@DanMeyer86 will it? With the EPA crack down
@@DylanCarGuy yes
@@DanMeyer86 cobb is done with tuning
@@Trappedinnewyork no they are not
Bruh that angle Kevin was sitting.. no bueno! 🤣🤣
Here in California. So adding a gallon of e85 to a full tank of 91 should actually be better for the engine?
I hope so.
Mine struggles to hold the DAM at 1.0 because of the lame 91 octane we have here.
If you get your tank to empty, and put 3 gallons first then the rest 91, you’ll be fine. Never go over 3 gallons of e85 unless your tuned. You’ll run your car way to lean
@@TheNuclearDestress that's so trick. 30 free horsepower is nothing sneeze at. I'll try this after my first oil change.
I tried this on my 22 last week. Even just a gallon of e85 made it much faster!!
@@RallyReg22 nice!
I was debating between this and a 2022 Dodge Challenger RT. I live in Michigan so i'll be dealing with the snow so the AWD seemed to be the better choice. Until I realized that either way this will be the first new car i've ever bought in my life there's no way it'l see the snow and salt. So I ordered the challenger, and bought a cheap little FWD shitbox of a beater for winter.
Best desicion
273 to the wheels? I think you mean crank
Love it. Looking forward to the future.
... and this is why I advise people skip intakes, EGR/TGV deletes as far as ways to make power... because the difference on the same dyno with same car from one run to another is larger than any difference those mods will make at power levels 99% of people will mod for.
A great video brother. I am so glad I have my 2020 STI and I had a 2017 base model WRX. Subies forever. I believe that STI ran out of time developing that FA24 motor. Stay safe guys.
Is e85 safe?
We only used about 1.5 gallons so in our case it was but don't put straight e85 in your stock WRX
@@SubiSpeed what was the level of the tank?
You should be fine with E15 according to the manual on VA models
@@SubiSpeed so putting 1.5 or 1 gallons of E85 should be safe??
That car went out on the lot after this and someone will have it before it blows lol.
I love mine,only use Sunoco 93
How does it feels compare to 91 I’m gonna put 93 after I do the 1000 break in miles oil change
He's (Graham) gonna be busy... wait he's always busy.
I see one in my place here at the dealership 2021 Wrx base trim black 7,950 miles on it. i took it home i am so happy i did not choose the new 2022 WRX model.
I had a 21, the 22 is better car all around. More power around town, way better handling and suspension. Much improved interior.
@@LJ-mp7ir yeah but i dont like a
WRX CROSSTREK . the previous wrx is more looks a rally car
@@bonifaciomagdiwang1697 Your loss bruh. You just paid the same amt for a shittier used car.
@@bonifaciomagdiwang1697 agree, it needs a drop, other than that. It is a better car.
@@stickythrottle5259 At least he will have a visually pleasing car over the '22. If I wanted performance without visuals, I'd get a Golf R.
Subaru could’ve literally just stuck with the sti as well then switch over to electric whenever. I didn’t get the point of removing the sti while the wrx still exists 🤦♂️
I just cant with that rear end 😳
Other than that, it's not bad looking. I don't mind the black wheel fenders
I recommend looking at in person
The car is NOT placed on the dyno rollers correctly!
Hopefully you make better power.
little late other companies already did this
So, it doesn’t make the 271?
When a car is on a dyno the power shown is power that it puts to the ground. Most car manufacturers when they sell a car they go off crank hp which is always higher, due to drivetrain loss.
@@ChazzyMcD 248whp awd is around 280-290 crank
The rear bumper looks like part of Darth Vader’s suit. Lol. The design is painful
Love the engine-can't stand the styling. So much black plastic. Someone please figure out how to swap the fa-24 into a 15-21 model.
93 it runs way better 250whp
Yes it seems like 93 would be a lot better than 91
Will the car run good with 93 octane been stock without damaging the engine and the fuel injectors?????
@@BrayanEscobar420 it wont dmg the engine putting 93 octane in the car
I'd rather have 69 horsepower and 420 ft/lbs of torque than 420 horsepower and 69 ft/lbs of torque. It's the import lover in me.
Who the hell puts 91 octane? 93 all day with octane booster. 😆
PAUL WALKER'S VOICE
Be nice if subaru would shift that 250ish hp to the wheels to 400+ haha thats what everyone seems to want in the sti that didn't come out
Imagine going to the trouble in making a new platform and having the same power from 20 years ago
Similar peak power, but a much more beefy powerband on the new one and that's what matters! Drive them both back to back and the difference is huge. The wrx is still the bargain in this segment.
Elon fookin shelby
Meanwhile, Toyota, BMW and VW all produce a decent amount *more power* when dyno'd than the official figures from the manufacturer on regular pump fuel, without the need for E85.
Nice cars but not enough horsepower for the amount of money they want for them
Best power to cost ratio for an AWD on the market. Yes, you could get a FWD that may be slightly cheaper/quicker but the WRX is the best all around. I couldn't imagine dropping $40k on a damn Hyundai front drive just to gain a few .10's 0-60.
Notii gangg
cant believe they are killing their flagship, the STI. I think Subaru is terribly misreading the tea leaves on this electric car push
1 HP MORE OR LESS 1 TORQU
So my 2021 Outback makes more torque. WRX used to be a thing. Now its a joke to everyone. I hate to see this happen.
Ethanol..
No thank you.
PSA: Don’t put E85 in your stock WRX
Almost literally identical numbers for the outgoing FA20, Not worth the cost to buy this car with its looks and minimal HP gains in stock form, Also car still has the TY75 Trans which cannot handle over 350 WHP
Drive one it’s way better than the VA. My VB is so fast and it pops when you get into boost. Like every gear will give off 4 pops going into the next gear when you shift near 6k. It’s so fucking good.
FA24 is a different league to the FA20, prime motorsport made over 320hp atw on E30 and 12psi with the FA24, you need over double the psi for an FA20 to make that power on factory turbo. Not to mention the FA24 internals are significantly stronger than the FA20's, bolt ons and E85 proper tune the FA24 will piss in 400whp without bending rods and still have nice torque through the whole rev range.
Fa20 puts down 220s whp fb high 240s whp way less boost due to emissions.
@@stopitsano6333 it's quick not fast 13.7 traps 102
Again any HP gains available on the FA24 will be handicapped with the same TY75 6 Speed Transmission used in previous years.
Subaru made this car look so ugly.
If this video proves anything it proves the stock tune from the factory is absolutely trash.
91 gas sucks lol
@@Trappedinnewyork you do realize in some states that's all ppl can get. And 91 gas doesn't fix the shit stock tune from the factory
@@ranran2218 all stock tunes are crap
Factory tune in the VB is way better than the VA. Drive one--you'll change your mind.
@@icemantuck2638 I've driven a 22 wrx premium. Me and my wife both said hell no to it. She thinks it's a waste to trade my 19 wrx for that car and I agree. If I upgrade it will be a Nissan z.
It’s so ugly. Only in all black does it even peak my interest. I’ll keep my 2020, low miles. Gonna go find a beater car for a daily now.