Red Komodo vs Canon C70
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- We went out and spent an afternoon testing Aarons Red Komodo with My C70. The C70 works out of the box for about $5,000 while the Komodo ends up costing closer to $7,000-$8,000 to work properly.
For the price difference these cameras are actually very close in quality considering the C70 gives you XLR, Autofocus, internal ND, and a usable screen.
I was surprised to find that as we started the cameras looked nearly identical, but as we introduced shades of blue it was wild how different each sensor began to intemperate colors. I never thought I'd be able to see a visible difference between 12bit raw and 16bit raw but it's very evident especially in the shots at sunset with the gradient of colors in the sky.
While the red seems to slightly win on pure image quality alone, the c70 still comes VERY close and offers much more features for $2-3000 less than the red.
Shoutout to Aaron and Dan for helping with this video!
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IMO if you're into high-end cinema stuff, the Komodo's your go-to, while the C70's more of an easygoing, versatile buddy.
But Komodo isn't really high end cinema in the grand scheme of it all
They both like almost the same. I own both. Both are real cinema cameras. You do get more built in features with the c70. While Komodo has a better menu system and the r3d workflow. But neither camera kills the other.
@fredpolo69 we use the c70 all the time, they are a bit fragile on the display and the adapter cabling for xlr audio is suspect. Plus not consistent on bit rate for audio on all codex
Visually they are great not exceptional
I sold my Komodo for the c70. Best decision for me. I didn’t like how the Komodo handled slow motion and the lack of audio inputs.
what kind of videos do you shoot?
You just buy the audio adapter from red 24 bit professional audio instantly
I hate to admit it, but overall, I liked my C70 more than the Komodo for the most part.
Honestly I can't see all the talk and hype about the Komodo when you compare it to the C70. The C70 image is REALLY good. You can work with both camera easily, they produce great images. In fact The R3 in RAW is also really Good. I use it as my B cam to the C70. You should have put it in the mix too. A truly underated camera.
I love my R3. I almost exclusively shoot raw on it and think it’s canons most underrated camera for video. Made a whole video about it!
Yeah it’s insane how much value the c70 has. Probably made me more money than any camera I’ve owned previously.
If you compare Komod footage and the C70, R3, etc and push it in post you will see why it's hands down better. But the C70 and R3 have great AF. So, you have to add them all up. Also, you are not going on an agency gig or any other production with the R3 and C70. The Komodo keep you in the conversation.
The funny thing about Red users is thinking that the Komodo RAW is actually 16bit.
C70 for so many reasons. Color, VND, XLR to name the most important to my needs. I'm a 2-3 man operation.
I own the Raptor and combine them with 2 C70s and to match them it’s a little of work. We took our time and create a LUT for both and than you can combine them quit well. We shoot only in RAW on both systems, in the night time exterior shoots you can see differences in Color, but with the right LUT you can work that out!
C70 is so nice with skin tone. It’s crazy.
I got most of them. A couple night shots on the bridge the RED was better and I guessed wrong. I have 2 C70's. I'm a C70 fanboy. And this stuff helps keep my bias. Thanks!!
I’m picking up the c70 this year. Would you say you get a film look straight out of camera, or you gotta do some heavy color grading to get that ?
@@dxgable Good choice. Especially if you can save a few bucks buying used and maybe grabbing a package deal. The C70 has great Dynamic range so the heavy lifting if exposed and lit well are done. Choice on the grade is up to you for look. Shoot in RAW LT. Files are not that big and they are a dream to color. Good luck!
Great Test bro! I love my C70!
Red Komodo is so bad that it loses to a Canon camera, you have to remember red epic a little
These cameras both look great. So if the budget is the same(ish), go with the one that conforms better to your workflow.
C70 every time for sure… but if you actually filmed RAW vs RAW i would use the red komodo 😎🤟 R3D Raw is so much easier to edit and stronger in post.
Weird, I preferred the c70 in every clip.
Exactly me too.
oversharpened garbage. must be your taste...
Interesting. Watch again and pause at 3:07. The amount of gradient detail and color depth in the skin tone is impressive. The subject actually looks more vibrant and healthy. There is also more red living in the shadows and the brown hair has traces of red that will need to be dialed out. With the Komodo, you could still add more warmth to that scene. You could add more warmth and get a perfect balanced white sky and still have golden skin tone. The C70 kind of cheats the warmth in the skin tone by pushing tons of magenta into the image. It can become frustrating to grade or match to the Komodo. That's my experience. The C70 is great for a lot of things but the Komodo wins in pure image quality for sure. There's a reason why people go through the fuss.
@@BenEricson Shhh... let the plebs think the plasticky canon is better...
@@user-zv7lm8uk7h I know... Way too much effort on a lost cause. :)
Thanks for the comparisons - I love Danielle's eyes and her nose!
The intro slaps
Blown away by how close these two are. And at different bit depths at that. wow. ( C70 Owner )
In Move ( Test 3 ) RED ( Komodo ) is so much better ( rolling shutter, move, etc etc ) only for that ( HandShoot )i buy a RED :)
4:11 : The RED is so much better in move !!! very happy to have a RED only for this HandsShoot !!
It looks like you forgot to auto black balance the C70 and as if you didn’t try to color grade then similarly at all. Just my take. I love my c70 though!
On my monitor, the C70 image looks nicer that the Komodo,
I disagree. I own both. 3:05 is a prime example. There are more details in the gradients of the skin tone. The hair also looks brown without having a warm cast. (C70.) Try to remove that cast on the c70 and the skin look dull. There is more separation on the RED, it also much much sharper. You can truly shoot 6k and punch in. The Canon is a pretty soft 4k image by comparison. Yes, they are similar. You could argue a C300 Mk2 is also great and dirt cheap. Everything can get pretty close but the Komodo is better image wise.
@@BenEricsonyeah the Komodo looks better especially when you get to the parts with sunset and all the different gradient of colors in low light. The 16bit codec really shines there compared to the 12bit raw from Canon and I was surprised by that.
@@HarrisonTarabellabro I think each individual to his own view. I personally prefer the look from the C70 I see in these shots. Except one of the day light skin tone that the Komodo looks nicer. There is this creamy whites in the Canon C70 I prefer and the blues from the background window.
@@HarrisonTarabellathe comparison I really want to see is the Canon C70 C log 2 in XF-AVC vs Fujifilm xh2s F log 2 in Prores
Haha well I own the c70 and don’t plan on buying a Komodo. I think the c70 is better out of the box even if the Komodo looks a little better.
I’d love to try that comparison out I just don’t know anyone with a Fuji camera 😂
I literally stumbled across this and recognized you’re based out of Birmingham. Same! Also working with the c70, its not a bad camera. I think I still prefer Sonys, though.
I like the color of Red. Every footage that was taken or none of them can remove the Redness. Red's skin tone is very good. I still like Red.
Its a fun video but its also hard to really compare. The Red is designed with the idea you are going to colour grade it after (raw workflow) it just feels a bit crazy to compare it with a simple colour transform lut on.
Thank you!! If it makes you feel better I use the Komodo just about every day and spend lots of time coloring it.
For a test like this it wouldn’t work if I spent hours or days applying a “look” to each camera because at that point you can make anything look like anything.
In theory, applying an equal “clog 2-709” and “Redlog3g10-709” conversion with a few tweaks does a better job of showing the base colors, contrast and noise levels than if I graded these like I would on an actual job.
It’s more to these tests than just image quality though. Versatility alone would have the C70 far ahead of the race. 10 stops of ND, a dozen customizable buttons, 4 channels of audio…etc. it really depends on the WHAT and the WHY an op needs whichever camera for versus a blanket “this vs that”. Love the effort and the images though but a missed opportunity to really compare the cameras and help users figure which camera comes in handy for their type of work.
Hey I appreciate the comment!
I’d LOVE to make that video, but with the amount of work I have (I don’t make money from UA-cam) all I had time to do was this. Also I know the differences in versatility quite well. C70 mops the floor with the Red when you’ve gotta use them as is out of the box. This was really more a test for ME more than it might appear to see how close my c70 can come to a red.
Haha I’d love nothing more than to put out an hour long camera comparison but that’s just not in the stars for me for the next few months.
@@HarrisonTarabella dang!!!!!! Hahahaha nah I get it man. I still appreciate the content and that you rock with the C70. You earned a new sub
This is a great comparison! Love the intro too haha super fun :)
Komodo-X is the real winner here. It has much better skin tones and low light performance.
It actually matches Raptor now in terms of color.
I'd say if you don't need autofocus, it's one of the best choices in sub 15k$ category.
It doesn’t match the raptor. The vv is takes a bit of work to match. Not a crazy amount but still takes work. I use all three and the X doesn’t match the vv out of camera at all.
I'll take the c70 mainly due to my type of applications. I need something that can turn on quickly, need auto focus since it's mostly just me filming, and finally default color science is easy to work with.
I respect the Komodo in terms of the 16bit color range but the c70 willl save you money in a long run from buying storage 😅 nice video!
Am here strangling with my decision to buy c70 or komodo. Let the truth b told the picture quality for komodo is apatising
not a fan of the cooler look in the Komodo and I prefer the skin tones in the C70 particularly at night but honestly there is just not enough difference between the two to justify what is now, double the cost for the Komodo... Netflix projects can routinely use the C70, why spend more? How much more light did you have to add for night shots with the Komodo?
No light added! Exact same exposure and settings for those night shots.
I love the skin tones of the Komodo. And that is crazy because Canon has such great skin tones usually but the Komodo just nails the skin regardless of the environment. Nice. Now I’m going to dream about owning a Komodo. Can we see an FX3 comparison with them?
We could but Aaron sold his FX3
Have em both… got about 90% correct
i think both of them is nicxe
The Komodo always needs a shadow low mid boost to match anything alexa like. The canon any canon has always had that lift. The difference in these cameras is in the grading and functionality. R3d is unbreakable and global shutter has to be seen to be appreciated. It’s impossible to see its benefits from this kind of test. I have both cameras and the canon raw is great to play with in resolve. I love the canon image but the red has substantially more weight and substance and has its own look. Canon does too but red like arri looks like something that we have seen in a movie. The canon has a slightly different feel but these days either of these images wont break in raw. Its the pro cine features that really separates them. I have both cameras and functionally the shape and layout of the canon is simply not a professional cine camera. Its best in a hybrid mode but the screen is unusable in daylight so expect to have to use an external monitor and rig a v lock solution. Impossible on the shoulder. The Komodo can literally go anywhere. Thx for the comparison. Its pretty obvious which is which but lift the shadows on the komodo and you wouldn’t be able to tell.
unbreakable? at 6:00 you can see the red lights couldn't retain itself vs the canon's. That looks pretty broken to me lol
@@AnimeZone247 the assumption is that the image is well exposed and that the 709 lut used hasnt crushed the life out of the image before it hits youtube compression. If you see anything other than a stellar image on a red then its usually down to user either on acquisition and or in post. An artefact like a light highlight suggests an issue with the 709 conversion not the R3d file but no idea how this was shot. Highlight recovery is a thing in raw canon or red but if you overexpose then you are toast. Not sure if the video here is by experienced red user. As i had already mentioned the post production suggests a pretty brutal approach and whenever matching images or comparing cameras it is pointless to just slap on a 709 conversion and then check. At that point it tells you nothing as everything is reduced to about 7 stops of dr. There is lots of info out there on raw recording and post from red and canon specifically but also a lot of ignorance too from youtubers who just aren’t experienced about how these things work but still want to post a review. If you see charts and a proper test with scopes eg cvp then you are probably going to be able to see what is happening accurately. Without that its a pretty pointless exercise as what you are seeing is the ability of operator not the camera. That said certain cameras are designed to be idiot proof out of the box and need no expertise what so ever and in many ways the c70 like the bmpcc6k is kind of at the pinnacle of that approach. The Komodo couldn’t be more different in design and approach and for that reason alone I wouldn’t recommend it or any camera like it to non professionals or people who dont have the time to get to grips with what they are dealing with. The Komodo doesnt have the best dynamic range when compared to high end cine cameras and shouldn’t ever be confused with an alexa or a red with an 8k helium sensor. But any raw image isnt complete until it has been sharpened and denoised. Compared to any dslr out of the box i would expect the dslr to appear to out shine anything shot in raw once its been output to 709 if no pst has been applied. As all that denoise and sharpening is happening in camera and printed to the file. Sony a7siii is a great example but manipulating the image in post is another story. Hope that helps clarify the point i was trying to make. Thx
@@KenFlanagan isn’t it always broken in post? What do you mean by unbreakable then? And yea most likely the red clip had all the information from the lights, it seems like they clipped it with their grade and didn’t pay attention. But dynamic range don’t matter anyway when you light your scene. The scenes he shot wouldnt work that way in an actual film production. For daylight interiors, at the most, all you need is 6 stops of ND to expose for outside, and then you need ~4000lx of light to bring your subject back in exposure. The aputure 60D can do that. So to me, dynamic range isn’t an issue
@@AnimeZone247 Sure once its clipped its gone regardless but as counterintuitive given its raw but there is a school of thought that shooting in low light at high ISo actually gives more highlight recovery in R3D. Personally, I haven't tried it and it makes no sense to me but its a thing. Sure about DR especially at night. when does anyone ever need 16 stops? Its more to do with how the color science unpacks itself from a log curve so where the DR is shifted to. Komodo v KX is a good example. The Canon curve like the Arri and KX has a low mid-boost of about a stop. Its not so much about the range but about the quality of the image between the ranges and where the colour science wants to focus on. The issue with RAW is that so often its like being given the parts of a car and being told to put it together yourself before you can drive off. Once its built its better but 9/10 you can just hope on your bike to go down the the shops and get that pint of milk.
The c70 seemed to me to gather more light and was sharper, so I chose the c70 for every comparison.
becuas eit has some oversharpened turned on, doesnt look good.
Komodo is definitely WAY sharper tho. The C70 is close to the older generation cameras like the C300 Mk2.
Same. Except a couple dark shots...
@@scottievee7467 Yes this test proves..... this chick is hot.
Had both, you can easily see Komodo has more resolution when working with them. C70 is fine though.
Just love this video. Did you use any filters on the lenses?
strange but i like the look of the c70
this was surprisingly hard to tell apart
Literally been debating on selling my Komodo kit for a c70.. I’m just sick of these huge files to be honest
Great! Any chance to add the canon R3 into the mix tor comparison video? I wonder how the R3 6k raw downsampled and processed with CLOG2 to 4k in post would compare to C70 4k
I thought you were the R3 all the way guy? Glad you picked up the C70
Yo! When I made the r3 video I’d been shooting with the c70 for over a year. Loved it! (Also if you watched this video you’d see I shot with the r3) We use multiple cameras. I still own the r3 and have had a Komodo for about 8 months. My office mate has a Komodo and R5c that we used a ton as well. Looking to buy another red but the r3 is my go to for quick stuff. Sold the c70 because I didn’t use it anymore after the Komodo purchase.
Can’t go wrong with either but I like the Komodos and R3 quite a bit.
@@HarrisonTarabella Nice. Do you tend to lean on the R3 when you need AF or how do you work the Komodo into your work flow?
@@contentm3893 r3 works great for smaller social media or travel jobs where I don’t want to justify shooting 2TB in a day. The autofocus is great and for interviews where I’m using AF lenses the R3 is my go to for tighter B shots.
I do a lot of outdoor adventure work so anything where the camera will experience mud or rain I use the R3.
I still use the Komodo 70% as my A cam because the difference in color detail is so worth it. But if I need to hike up a mountain or fit all my gear and clothes into one backpack for a shoot in a foreign country the R3 is my go to.
@@HarrisonTarabella Thanks for that info. It's good to get other creatives perspective. How do you deal with the Komodo focus if you wan to use it on the outdoor hiking shots?
@@contentm3893 I just pull focus manually! I’m not that old bit I started video in 2010 before cameras could autofocus for video very well so it’s a skill I picked up early and I’m glad I did!
Komodo clearly has the better dynamic range and it might have the edge over the C70, but the Canon color science is always very impressive
actually the c70 has more dynamic range than the komodo. Check out cvp video, they do a latitude test on both of them. C70 stumps the komodo when pulling back from under exposure. And it's about 1 stop better in the highlights
Interesting. In some of the daytime shots it looks like the white balance/tint isnt matched (I imagine even though yall matched them in camera- still a bit of diference). Could be interesting to re-compare these with a basic WB/Tint correction in post.
We made sure the white balance was the exact same in every shot. I think the differences are most noticeable in how the cameras handle the color blue differently.
The first shots of Dan under the bridge are all warm and look nearly identical but then the shots of my truck (which is a cream/grey) the c70 reads as teal and the Komodo reads it as blue. Same with the black truck seats.
The biggest difference (with the exact same settings) is at night/dusk. The sunset looks true to life with the Komodo. The C70 reads the sunset as all magenta but the Komodo ads back in that blue gradient and a little bit of green on the pavement that is from the streetlights. Those colors are just straight up missing from the C70 shot.
I think it’s a difference in color depth with the 16bit raw vs the 12bit raw. I never would’ve thought you would be able to tell a difference between the two, but it looks like in practice you actually can.
the shots of her sitting in the back of the truck do not look great coming out of the Komodo...the c70 is much better there in my opinion -way too "blue" though I am betting both could be easily color corrected and graded to match each other... Komodo puts that blue gradient in the sunset because it leans everything "blue-ish to green-ish" or "cooler" by default would be my guess...but if you shoot C70 in the raw you should be able to pull some of that in with color correction and grading...looking forward to doing my next feature with one of these!@@HarrisonTarabella
There both so similar
if you rule out the "magentish" tint on the KOMODO, theyre the same.
I think the contrast gave it away for me...also I'm cheating since I own and use both...and BAD ASS RAPTOR!
A warm tiffen filter will give the c70 those same colors as the Komodo
Ehh I’d disagree. I thought there wouldn’t be much of a difference but the 16bit raw from the Komodo really does have a “look.”
I believe the difference between these cameras would be shown with better lenses. As shown, these lenses are pretty entry level.
How would better lenses make them look more different from each other.
It's really impressive how close they are I expected it to be a blowout but while the Komodo clearly wins it is only a little.
I own both, the global shutter makes all the difference. What's the title of this killing music please ?
The C70 makes her skin tone look a little more redish vs the Komodo has a little more greenish look to its picture.
The new Komodo X would probably be closer, it shifts away from that a bit.
to me the picture in the introduction part has so much lifted shadows that it looks like there is white fog in the image. the blacks are not really blackit looks flat and low contrast to me. is this what is supposed to be cinematic? komodo looks better, if its too yellow its canon. its easy to spot the difference.
Lol which shot are you talking about?
@@HarrisonTarabella it looks foggy with too hig lifted shadows on my color calibrated 4k screen. Thats just what i see.
10/1/0 in every clip C70🔥
I own a C70 and strongly considering a Komodo-x. Do you think it would be difficult to match colors in an A-cam / B-cam scenario?
If you shoot raw it will be incredibly easy.
These shots look very similar and most people would never notice a difference if I didn’t say anything and all I did was a color space transform. If I spent time coloring them I could make them look identical
@@HarrisonTarabella very helpful info. Thanks a lot
It won’t be as easy as you think. Komodo X’s color science is a bit different from the OG Komodo. The gap is wider than in this vid.
Guys. I'm thinking of getting the C70 moving from the C100 M2 and G7x M2. I need honest opinions?? Let's talk
You can’t go wrong. The c70 has literally provided an income for me and my family for a year and a half and it’s not slowing down any time soon
Hey. thank you for responding. I am really interested in giving it a try. I really love the system and staying in the canon family. I see so many people using Sony tho and it feels like they are using cheat codes. Am I wrong for saying that? How do you operate yours for income? Films, documentaries?@@HarrisonTarabella
I see that you used a PL-EF-RF system for the anamorphic lens on the C70. Weren't there issues when you tried pulling focus fast and the three connections between mounts would cause the lens to move a little bit relative to the sensor?
The anamorphic lens is EF mount. I only used one adaptor
@@HarrisonTarabella I saw on GJ's website that the mount is PL+EF. So there's an extra EF adapter that comes with the lens, and then there's the EF-RF for the camera.
@@CiprianTrip mine is just EF.
C70
C70 looked better in all except low light scenes
0:21 DAMN
Even though these results were rather close, it's always easy to spot Canon's muddy red hues. The C70 is certainly more practical but the Komodo has the superior image. As for skin tones, I recommend testing the Nikon Z9. Its 12bit ProRes RAW files are very impressive!
Send me a Z9 and I’ll test it 😂
The komodo in all of these shots has a way cooler temp.
It started with tramp stamps.
C 70 ❤ best 😅
not sure about this comparison...the Komodo in this comparison seems to have better dynamic range, auto focus, image stabilization, and color science which in my experience is not the case...IMO the only thing the Komodo have over the C70 is image quality straight out of camera which a good editor can nullify in post with ease.
0:55 GODDAMN
Komodo image is nicer. And I own the c70
Which lens did yall use
Nevermind I see
the C70 actually looked better
big question is what lens did you use?
I list that info in the beginning of the video!
Or if you’re going to take the time to reply, you could’ve just told him…
This guessing game is useless....and boring. You'd better show directly Which is which. We don't wanna spend time to guess but see a comparison as your tilted say. Keep up to good job bro.
Ok……i preferred c70 every clip😭😭😭damn red
it's ok if you are not related to video production.. if you are - there's some troubles)
@@UCG7 i shoot realestate etc I’m sure it would be fine
Komodo = winner
I was like “hey I follow her on Instagram” 😂
Yeah, Dan is an incredible photographer. She shot my wedding and is one of our good friends.
Two things are HOT in this video. The girl and the komodo. C70 is an oversharpened DUD.
Haha you might be the only person I’ve seen online that’s described the c70 as over sharpened 😂
@@HarrisonTarabella Guess I'm used to Arris and Reds.
@@user-zv7lm8uk7h propably you are used to be a joke but that's an occupation also for some...
Is that english? What? I use Arris and Reds. They do not look like the oversharpened video dumbed down "raw" of canon and sony.@@marioskarageorgiou6758
agreed lol...the c70 actually looks more like traditional studio 35mm film cameras with a clear but somehow soft creamy image and great roll off...very "filmic" where sometimes to me, the Komodo looks too sharp and contrasty and I immediately see "digital sharpness"....@@HarrisonTarabella