EP. 54. Perfecting Dolby ATMOS For Maximum Imaging. Hear what you're MISSING! Home Theater Gurus.
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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I recommend your videos to everybody's building an Atmos setup 👍
Thanks John!!
My first watch of Ready Player One on 4K-Bluray was at a friend's "home theater" with down-firing in-ceiling atmos speakers. Both he and I were not impressed. I re-watched the movie in my home theater with ceiling-mounted satellite/bookshelf speakers mounted at ~55° as suggested using the equations in your previous videos and angled at MLP, and man there is such a different experience and so much activity throughout the entire movie. I direct everybody to your videos when they are initially figuring out where to place and how to aim atmos speakers. It's a game changer! Thank you.
Hey Jeff, you hit the nail on the head. Many think Atmos is a gimmick or that aiming isn't important but like you heard, placement and aiming is everything!
@@hometheaterguruswhat about in ceiling speakers that are at a 45° like the ELAC Debut IC-DT61-W?
Always a good day when another video drops. Can't wait to watch this over lunch
Thanks!!!!
I watched the bathroom scene in A Quiet Place then toed all my Atmos speakers with a laser and rewatched and holy crap!! It's like a whole new system.
Yep, toe in is "that" big of a deal. :)
Your videos on aiming and positioning Atmos speakers were a game changer for me. Those video helped me to not buy just regular in-ceiling speakers, which I was planning on doing before I saw your video. I instead purchased in-ceiling speakers that had at least a 30 degree or higher angled baffle and a speaker that allows me to aim the baffle into the listing area. Thx
Glad the videos helped you. 30 degrees of angle is far better than none!
Just finishing up my living room/theatre your videos are so appreciated
Thanks Dave, glad you found them useful.
Hey thanks for making the video.
Great video. Exactly why I chose coaxial spherical shaped speakers (Elipson Planet M) for my living room atmos heights mounted on the ceiling. The sphere shape makes them aimable in almost any direction, and they look the same no matter what angle or direction they are pointed at, something that cannot be done with bookshelfs on a bracket.
That's a cool looking little speaker too.
I have the kef 200rr for atmos and it’s an amazing at atmos. Especially since my room has vaulted ceiling.
Good information as always
They'd work well on a vault.
Excellent summary. I designed my Theater along these lines but haven’t fitted my heights yet as I’m building new improved crossovers for them. Speaker cables, amps and interconnects are already in place for the Anthem AVM-90
Thanks Stephen!
Great video. I don't think people talk enough about aiming when it comes to the heights, and I know this is a weakness in my particular living room setup.
yeah it's something many ignore. Atmos is treated like it's not important but that's likely due to so many poor setups so people don't realize what they're missing.
Good video
Thanks Michael.
UA-cam might not financially appreciate you but we do, Keep being you. I agree with your survey about not having room treatment and I bet most are using there living room. I would like a question answered top 5 living room friendly speakers, what I mean is speakers that have to look good and work in a room with no treatment.
Thanks!!! I don't usually do speaker reviews but more setup videos. I will say if you don't want or don't have treatments and don't plan to add them, a narrow dispersion is best as you'll have less side wall reflection. Some reflection can be good but you must know the speakers have good off axis. Side wall reflections add spaciousness but.. and it's a big but.. it also smears vocals so when using treatments we want a balance. Without treatments you likely want to stick with more narrow dispersion. Speakers with waveguides for instance.
I have sold/installed several Triad systems and always end up with the same outstanding sound. Just finished a retrofit/ re-make of a theater that was pretty much abandoned, with Silvers all around and Platinum Subs,(18"), Marantz AV-10, Am 10 combo and it sound incredible. I have obssesed with the Dirac vs Audyssey calibration comparissons, having a hard time deciding which one is better. But those TRIADS are awesome, the real deal IMHO.
IMO they're the only brand that doesn't make you compromise. No other brand has an atmos that can cross aim, inwall wide options that actually aim into the seating area, inwalls that are built better than most towers than can also be used in false walls and columns. Most inwalls from other companies are made overseas and are cheap plastic with not enslocusre. Everyone else caters to mass market and sales, they cater to home theater design. People who don't design with them don't realize what they really offer when you understand how to design with them.
Hi friend your content is so potent and pure . I have a 100" led that just came in and I want to build a DIY soundbar and 2 speakers using Dolby Atmos .My space is my condo apartment living room. Can you recommend a build for me ???
Poor Dog. lol 😂
Yeah, poor fella
My Arendal height speakers are on the front and rear walls aimed at the MLP. I’ll try crossing them in the future. Interesting.🎉
Make sure to watch ep 49 on placement. ON walls are usually so low in angle they're smearing to the bedlayer.
Review placement as 9 times out of ten they go on the ceiling.
What speaker do you recommend for Atmos and what ceiling mount to use for them?
Could you use a higher end outdoor speaker like the Klipsch RSM-800? Black on a black ceiling, using the mounting bracket to point it exactly where you want.
It should be noted, (whether 2 speakers, or 20) proper imaging comes from 2 things: Proper frequency response correction (eq and levels) and proper phase alignment (delays/distances) . Your ears don't care which way the speaker is pointed. You might even direct a driver a certain way if a reflection is causing issue. The aiming only becomes important here when you have multiple seats, and maybe an off or on axis direction throws off the response and or the time alignment.
I sometimes enjoy a bit of an off axis response (in two channel listening) It can create an effect of making the soundstage wider than is physically. Also less of the direct mechanical noise present in some drivers (the speakers disappear more). I suppose this may not apply as much for multichannel multi listener ( the width thing) but you could may a damn near perfect transparent system for one seat with all of these considerations. Personally, I never use auto "room correction". Always tuning every driver/driver pair with REW and test noises. Like you're saying, proper tuning and setup is wayy more important than how much the gear cost.
See the part of the video on aiming and notice the huge difference aiming made for one seat with Atmos. Even with toe in of mains, most of us have experienced the drastic changes toe in makes with 2 channel, for one seat. Not multiple seats, one seat. You're manipulating the on and off axis and reflections to alter the sound stage width sweet spot width. While Eq is the icing on the cake, if you're not dialing in toe in you are missing out in huge way, even for one seat.
@@hometheatergurus I agree, I just want to add to the conversation. Every situation may be different. As you are posting the dispersion charts you know some speakers like to be off axis, in or out, and some like to be on axis. The room comes into play as well.
Finally adding another set of Atmos so I'm excited to see the difference🤯🫨🤪
Thanks for the video! This is going to be kind of off topic, but where do you recommend to place acoustic treatment for Atmos speakers?
Love the videos, so incredibly informative. I'm a math guy with a background in audio engineering so it's all clicking. I'm planning a 5.2.4 setup and want to get this right, so I have 2 questions. My room is 14 feet wide, 22 ft long, 8.5 high. What angle would you put the rears at? I watched prev videos talking about 60 degrees all the way around but 5 channels won't cover that. Also - "toe in" means just AIMING the speaker, correct? Thank you so much!
When I watched Ep 49 I immediately swapped those exact Kefs for the Martin Logan IC6-HT 6.5" 30 degree in ceiling baffle. I mounted them exactly as you laid out at roughly 30 degrees forward and back and aimed directly MLP. I also brought them in considerably.
Thoughts on these speakers? Should I turn them to aim at the opposite corner of a 3 seat sofa (as shown here) or keep aimed at MLP?
Hey Operator. while 30 degrees is much better than no angle, as discussed in the video, it's not enough to allow cross aiming nor is it enough to hit the MLP. Even at 30 Fwd and out the MLP is 40ish degrees or so away.
I strictly follow Auro 3D speaker placement and the sound is great. In a nutshell - Aiming: the top hight speakers must be aimed directly to the head (on axis) when you stand up from your MLP. Placement: hight speakers should be placed at 30 degree above respective ear level speakers.
Try atmos per ep 49 aimed like shown here and you'll finally hear what atmos is all about.
I’ve got a question my basement has low ceilings and there’s a beam that runs through the room would it be best to split the left/right with the beam between them or front/rear with the beam separating them. I’m thinking if I can sit under the beam then split the front/rear. But if I do that the room from front to rear would only be roughly 12’ deep and 18’ or so wide.
What are your thoughts on the Sonance MAG6R aimable in-ceiling speaker? It goes on sale frequently at Best Buy and heavily recommended by them. AVRant podcast recommends this model as well.
The video will cover that. You'll have the compromises explained but we all have to get the best that's in our budget.
In the process of planning a dedicated listening/home-theatre room over a garage. Large space (26x28), but I have typical 45deg sloped ceilings on 3 sides of the room. My concern is this around placement of the height/atmos speakers. I may not be able to spread them out far enough on the ceiling to get good coverage across the entire room. Would it be reasonable to consider putting the atmos speakers high up on the sloped sidewalls? Thanks for the pointer to the triad rotostats. Will do some homework on them.
Hey there. Where the atmos end up really depend on where the angles place them. If you need help shoot me an email as designing home theater spaces is what I do and it's much more affordable than most realize.
Hello Young Handsome Sir! From the MLP, looking up at all four height channels, they all measure a perfect 45 degrees. Triad doesn’t live here, so we’re stuck choosing between the Klipsch THX 5002L & Klipsch PRO-180RPC LCR. The Klipsch THX has more output (2 x 5.25” drivers + front port aimed straight down, 1” tweeter aimed at MLP - 45degrees) yet the Klipsch PRO has both driver+tweeter aimed (8” driver + 1” tweeter aimed at MLP - 45degrees). Which would you personally choose in this toss up Young Handsome Awe-inspiringly Intelligent Sir?
Always enjoy your videos.
I have a question.. not Atmos related but toe-in in general.
I tried to toe-in my L+R to my MLP directly as per your older episodes to try and improve imagining on the seats next to me. What I’ve found is I can get a bit more SPL on the pink noise test, but on 2 channel tests I’m loosing some of the wide soundstage. Is that just a natural compromise pointing them at the MLP as it’s a surround system that shouldn’t rely on a 2 channel soundstage as much? 🤔
It's a balance and will be different depending on the distance to side walls, the types of treatments used etc.
Thanks Steve. I know you love the Triad Silver / 9 Sat. What do you feel about Triads latest offerings PDX series in particular.. do you feel any of those rival or outdo the 9 Sat?
Check out the video and you'll get your answer on that. They have less than 20 degrees angle. When they first came out I asked about the angle and i think my rep said 14 degrees. They are not even on the same planet as the rotosat for the reasons in the video.
@@hometheatergurus exactly what i was thinking.
Hi Steve, need your advice please. I have learned a lot from your videos from last 2 years.
I have all Klipsch RP series II speakers. Do you recommend PRO-180RPC LCR which are angled at 45degrees but tweeter is fixed? Thanks
I actually covered that in the video and for the price you can just about get triad rotosats. The Klipsch are narrow dispersion and you can't cross aim nor dial in the aiming once installed.
@@hometheatergurus Thanks for the reply Steve. Unfortunately there are limited options for Triad in Australia and is very expensive too.
@@diamondjiwanpuri having 45 degrees is definitely better than less so if that's a plus.
Hi HTG, I’m planning to add atmos ceiling speakers. My room is 16.4ft x 14.3ft with just one row of 3 seats located 4.3 feet from rear. Should I go with 4 X ceiling speakers or just 2? Wondering if 4 would be too much and sound might be indistinguishable from rear bed layer and end up muffled instead of clear placement of sound.
Place them properly and there's not such thing as them having that issue. Unless you're against a wall you should do 4. If you are close to a wall there are tricks you can do to deal with that issue. If you need help shoot me an email.
Did I miss the Crowson Actuators setup vid? Saw the review for em. Just curious what goes into setting them up.
the setup was pretty much covered in that video. There's an accompanying video to that one with a tone to check timing.
@@hometheatergurus oh wow, it was released 2 months after the unboxing. How in the world did I miss that? Think I saw the Tone video and assumed it was just a follow up to the unboxing.
Watched it, double checked everything I did, used the tone video for timing and I did a pretty good job I think.
Been pretty happy with them.
What do you think of the Revel c763L for atmos? I hear good things, but the website you referenced didn't give them a good review. Also, if you are doing 6 atmos speakers do you recommend having 2 of the directly overhead and down firing? Thanks
Make sure and watch the 2nd half of the video. Your question will be answered.
I am in the middle of building an All KEF in-wall 7.4.2 system with KEF 200RR's for Atmos. Do you think it would be a good idea for me to build in-ceiling enclosures that point the speakers towards the listening position? My ceilings are only 7 foot high. I already have purchased the speakers so I am reluctant to change them out.
I'd either change them out or yes you can build boxes to aim them but at that point it may not be worth it vs just getting a better speaker that can be adjusted and dialed in. Being 7' high you'll be dropping the edges quite low to hit the MLP much less cross aim. But yeah that's what they'd need to perform their best. If you need more help shoot me an email.
I'm in the process of building a similar Kef cinema setup with similar (2.2)m high ceiling. I'm 100% building boxes with aimed 200RR's. I don't mind the lowering edges of the height speakers. Work to their limitations as much as possible as you want to timber match your LCRs.
I'm also curious to any solutions using these speakers as heights to timbre match a R7/R6 LCR setup. Let us know if you changed them pls. Thanks and appreciate the advice and videos!
I use Omni-directional speakers. It avoids most of the downsides of placement. It also helps that my ears have aged a lot, just like the rest of me..
I like your information but have concerns.
Why is it only triad has the laser aiming? Also from what I can see, they’re only available to dealers. I just began watching this channel to learn more as I have to do a very long process to get to my home theater goals as a result of cash flow and everything else considered. This almost seems like I’m being told to learn what I can but spend a fortune for a professional. I understand professionals are a benefit and wish I could but it is not realistic as I’m starting with a bare basement.
Hey Brian, it's not the laser that's important, its the aiming capabilities'. That is what no other brand has. I am a dealer and I also design and it's way cheaper than most realize. My design prices are extremely reasonable and as I have a diy background, i even have diy acoustic panels instructions and tons of money saving methods. Shoot me an email.
Hey, curious, how do you think the Totem Tribe Architectural AIC in-ceiling speaker would work for Atmos?
Watch the 2nd half of the video and that question will be answered.
@@hometheatergurus , thank you
I did hear the section talking about how angled speakers are better than those that are not angled but I just didn’t know if you had an opinion about those, specific, speakers or not.
It was a very informative video and it did, at a minimum, confirm the direction that I am, currently, going with looking at angled Atmos speakers than those that are not.
@@brandonwelch578 did you watch the part about aiming and extreme toe in and dialing in toe in?
@@hometheatergurus , yes - I like idea of using pink noise and getting that toe in setup, perfectly
That’s awesome that Triad has a speaker that allows so much flexibility with the adjustment - I like how the Totem speakers offers so much speed, with their Torrent drivers, or I would seriously consider Triad.
@@hometheatergurus , curious - Does Elite Home Cinema do home theater installations anywhere or do they focus on one state or one general area of the United States?
Any one knows of a laser light that works to aim the speakers to the correct direction?
That's easy to do yourself with a small level and any laser light that has a on-off switch. But in-wall speakers would be difficult
@@ricksmith7659 Thanks, I will try that 👍
Do you have an opinion on JoeNtell claims about curves and their new app?
Also how techno dad claims dolby is wrong about Atmos positioning? To me is sounds just stupid his views on where Atmos speakers should be placed
No opinion. I design amazing sounding home theaters and place the speakers where I know they'll deliver that performance. On the Atmos videos you can check out the comments to see all those going from heights to what I consider properly placed atmos and read how much of an improvement they've felt it was. IMO many haven't heard properly placed atmos which is an issue. I even dissect the studio and cinema pdfs in ep 48-49 to help everyone understand why we place them where we place them but ultimately who people follow is up to them.
If 90% of the time it's only me in my theater room then there's really no need to be concern about seat-seat consistency right?
correct but as you saw in the feedback even one seat benefits from dialing in toe in, just like it does when you dial in toe in of mains and as was explained on the trinnov white pages pic.
@@hometheatergurus I mean as far as calibration is concern.
I will stick with DTS
The video will also help you guys that have heights dial those in as well.
100% agree.
_'YOU CAN'T MAKE A BAD SPEAKER GOOD, BUT YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD SPEAKER BAD'_
Yep. I hate seeing great speakers trashed by poor installs or being used when it was the wrong choice for the application. Yet we see it constantly.
What do you think about the RSL C43E ceiling speakers with angled baffles?
There great for the price but you'll have the issues explained in the video so it's important to understand what you're missing.
@@hometheatergurusI installed these last year. Would they be suitable for the cross aiming technique? There aren’t a lot of options out there for angled baffle speakers outside of these RSLs, Klipsch, Triads, and Focal ICA6’s. Especially if budget constraints don’t allow for $500 & up per speaker.
@@chrislukowski1825 they only have around 20 degrees of aiming. I use them in budget designs but no they're not going to allow you to achieve what was shown in the video.
@@hometheatergurus Thanks! In that case how do you suggest aiming these for best results?
Also are there any other speakers apart from Triads you recommend?
@@chrislukowski1825 You'd aim those as best you can but you will not get what a speaker with proper aiming will give. Just understand the compromises and enjoy. The triad is the only in ceiling I know of that can do cross aiming. In no compromise rooms that is the only option around IMO as it's the only one that can pull that off. Shoot me an email if you need more info.
What is the ideal choice of atmos speakers if you could go either way? In ceiling speakers or bookshelf’s used as high speakers ? I see so much content on why go either way but was is your opinion to get maximized atmos experience ?
This was actually shown in the video but in ceiling is the roto sat as no other in ceiling i've seen can pull off the needed aiming to perfectly dial in atmos. Bookshelves work if you have the ceiling height. Watch the video all the way through and you'll understand the real goal with atmos.