Agreed. I just read there were some critics that thought she was too young, or "enthusiastic" (whatever that meant) but I couldn't imagine anyone else in the role!
The greatest casting of a focal character in cinematic history!! A relative unknown in Hollywood delivered the most compelling performance ever seen on screen. If I were granted a vote for the greatest acting performance of all time, this would have to be it. The dynamic between the two is unmatched in film history. The stern envious Salieri and that "giggling little creature" Mozart. Hulce and Abraham. For one movie at least, a combination like no other.
Yeah. The Showoff Scene. It never gets old, it’s a zinger every single time and I laugh every single time! The editing and zooms here in this video are sending me! Regarding 13:24 - I always wondered why Salieri looks so horrified for a split second before he agrees. It always bugged me that I couldn’t work that out. Thanks to you I have closure at last XD Also the Emperor’s 100% relatable ‘frustrated at being coached on musical garnish whilst I'm fighting for my life just sight reading here’ faces get me every time. 13:58 they’re watching like proud parents at their kid’s first recital XD And here’s another reason why Salieri got so far on his mediocre talent whilst Mozart got nowhere: Salieri has people skills and room reading ability. Mozart... not so much. Von Swieten is for German - but Rosenberg is pro-Italian, and of course Bonno will agree with anything Rosenberg says - so by the time the chamberlain votes for German, Salieri already knows he’s going to be the deciding vote. You can see the momentary concerned look on his face as he realises. Instead of picking a side, and potentially stepping on the toes of those he votes against, he makes a witty comment that successfully steers the topic away. Contrast Mozart’s immediate “Let it be German!” and now he has Rosenberg & Co. against him for the rest of the movie. It’s not fair, but it’s clearly how this game is played and the poor guy simply had no clue. Also the chamberlain and Rosenberg do NOT like each other, and it’s hilarious! Note the little pointed look he gives Rosenberg just before he disagrees with him. lolololololol “Diiiiiid we?” Utter boss bitch move. Gosh I love that man and the bountiful shade he throws! This movie is genuinely funnier than some modern actual comedy films!
Fantastic series! Amadeus is also one of my favorite films and you nail all the best points. So glad someone is analyzing a film that is this old and underappreciated.
I figured the reason we hear the march of welcome repeated so many times is to get in in the audiences head so that you can clearly hear that Mozart is making a decorated version of it later. Also interesting that the melody sounds like “na na na boo boo”, like, “I’m so much better than you, Salieri”
Two interesting facts about that scene: it is a homage to when Mozart memorized the sacred Vatican piece (forbidden to be performed outside) and wrote it down, and the piece that Mozart improvises from the March is Non Piu Adrai from Figaro.
Milos Forman said he likes all the characters in his movies to be memorable rather than just line reciters or placeholders...he certainly achieved that with this masterpiece, my fav movie!
15:58 I can see how repeating the emperor’s comment could be further indicative of Salieri’s superiority complex, but I also think it’s interesting the way he genuinely seems to smile and chuckle at it along with Mozart. A laugh he normally hates. I think this is one moment where in the face of his idol, he can laugh with him about the emperor, a man he publicly speaks highly of but actually understands is a hack. They both understand this, and joining Mozart in a laugh about it, he can feel as though they are equals. For a brief moment, Salieri can feel close to godliness by laughing along with Mozart and looking down on someone else’s mediocrity.
duuude your videos are very high quality. I expected you to have at least 500k subs. Funny too. Excuse my bad grammer, but English is not my first language, and also I am currently high as hell.
I watched this film when it first came out right before I went to Juilliard. I was so young, and so enamored, charmed, delighted and saddened by it that my love for Mozart took a different track. Hearing you analyze it and being just as delighted as I was the first time - was such a nostalgic pleasure for me. As if a whole new generation found the complete delight and profound sadness of Mozart's life - and has taken inspiration from it. (btw your comedic timing is perfect)
also: another arbitrary parallel but my favorite language to sing in is german, NO QUESTION. so if you can imagine i was over the moon about all the bickering they have over the language
Thank you sir. You're smart and I know more about Mozart, movies, film analysis and how to really watch, enjoy and get more enjoyment and even enlightenment out of movies. And I also know more about how Spongebob actually inspired the movie Amadeus and how this award winning movie about Mozart is really just an elaborate allegory for everybody's favorite little underwater yellow guy with Vienna as Bikini Bottom, Squidward as Salulari ect. Now I know and knowing accounts for approximately half of all victories gained on the battlefield, or something like that I've heard. Great Job! (And I don't meM that in any tim anberic kind of way either.).
i have been enjoying your analysis very much, but i am surprised that you omitted to mention the talent of mozart of hearing sounds or words in a special way ... a scene where mozart is shown playing with words spoken backwards .... i always thought that this "word game scene" is added to show that he must have had a special set of ears. didnt he compose something for 2 violins in which players play the same tune but one's score is turned upside down ?
Salieri didn't want to speak to God. He wanted God to speak to him. He did love music and was a greater composer than 99.9% of all people, but he didn't have the true divine touch that the likes of Mozart, Bach and Beethoven had. Salieri (the movie version) didn't serve his art, he didn't sacrifice himself for his art as a true artist does. instead he used his art to glorify himself. He didn't even want to be a channel for God from a love for God either. He wanted to feel superior to others and special. If he loved art more than himself, then he would have swallowed his pride and helped God use Mozart. Interestingly, even after Mozart died, the real Salieri was still a very respected figure and Beethoven use to go to him for music lessons even when Beethoven was already a celebrated composer.
Why is everything “weird” as you ask? 15:10. Because Emperor Joseph was the Hapsburg Holy Roman Emperor, and a conscious proponent of the Enlightenment trying his best to bring modernity to Europe before it overwhelmed and killed the aristocracy (as it of course did to his own sister Antoinette, the Queen of France during the French Revolution). So much wealth and power had become concentrated in the top 1% of European society thanks to the new economics we’d recognize as “capitalism” yet the aristocracy refused to share power with the bourgeoisie via meaningful reforms granting power to European houses of representatives. Joseph was a very self-conscious “enlightened” monarch and was trying to create a new society within his court and his tiny government which reflected a new way to share power (a little) with the people (by recognizing them AS people … even if they had no meaning way of pursuing their economic interests legally (outside of Britain and the Netherlands anyway) … based on new ways of thinking about people as “equals”. It was mostly too little, too late. Revolutionary “democratic republicanism” swept across America, then France, and into Europe (where it was brutally suppressed until the mid-1800s) in the first half of the 19th century. The “weirdness” of the scene and the social confusion you noted is caused by Mozart not knowing who to bow to BECAUSE no one in Emperor Joseph’s reception hall was in the “proper” place or acting in their “proper manner” according to established court traditions that Mozart would have had decades of experience with from traveling around Europe with his father and sister. Forman did an excellent job of conveying the relative chaos Emperor Joseph had introduced into his court and his Empire by his adopting ideas from the liberal Enlightenment that sweeping across Europe, as the bourgeois class was vying for power to reflect their new wealth and for what they as deserved for the immense fortunes they had added to the wealth of Europes’s monarchies over the previous two centuries since the “renaissance” which their new economic system and technologies and colonial expeditions had funded.
"I, proud Salieri - I ENVIED!" --A. Pushkin, "Salieri and Mozart." Why do folks know who Boswell was, or Schenker? Because of their roles as amanuenis to Jonson and Brahms. If Salieri - a brilliant ANALYST of music, as surely as he was a mediocre composer - had assigned himself as scribe and analyst of Mozart (a role that Wolfie may have been incapable of, even if he had been less busy DOing it), every music school would be teaching Salieri Analysis.
The arguing scene about Mozart in Vienna, is a bit more complex Salieri show there intelligence and limits, the emperor can’t really made his mind about music, but he has a political agenda, weakened the bishop-prince and Salieri understand it and respond cleverly but he puts himself in the politicians side of the arguing. He is a Court composer more at ease with intrigue finesse than a Artist driven by an inner need. THX love your work
Yes, it seems Salieri knows the Emperor's mind better than anyone, and figured perhaps that he was already leaning towards bringing Mozart to Vienna, if for no other reason, than to annoy the Bishop (btw the actor playing the Bishop was the Emperor in the stage version). Plus Salieri could avoid praising or condemning Mozart's music by giving his opinion the way he did. Rather than saying "Mozart's great, bring him here", or "Mozart sucks", he instead flatters the Emperor's political wisdom (as well as his own). Very clever.
Elizabeth Berrige really is perfect for the role. But I will say, seeing this movie for the first time as a teenager, I found her very distracting! She's just so cute, in part due to how she's styled and acts in this role.
Funny. I always felt Saleri was being passive aggressive or manipulative when first asked about Mozart by the emperor. By mentioning infuriating the Salzburg king I thought he was being slick to keep the emperor from employing Mozart.
Sir you have created one of the fucking greatest UA-cam interest features..... outstanding... oh yes can't wait to get to the rest of the parts
F. Murray Abraham’s description as Salieri of Mozart’s music is the most beautiful description I’ve ever heard ever
Thank you for giving Elizabeth Berrige the praise due. Then and now she gets the short end of the stick but I LOVE her performance in this movie.
Agreed. I just read there were some critics that thought she was too young, or "enthusiastic" (whatever that meant) but I couldn't imagine anyone else in the role!
Milos himself spoke of the importance of minor characters and why he took such effort to get them right.
The greatest casting of a focal character in cinematic history!! A relative unknown in Hollywood delivered the most compelling performance ever seen on screen. If I were granted a vote for the greatest acting performance of all time, this would have to be it. The dynamic between the two is unmatched in film history. The stern envious Salieri and that "giggling little creature" Mozart. Hulce and Abraham. For one movie at least, a combination like no other.
Yeah. The Showoff Scene. It never gets old, it’s a zinger every single time and I laugh every single time! The editing and zooms here in this video are sending me!
Regarding 13:24 - I always wondered why Salieri looks so horrified for a split second before he agrees. It always bugged me that I couldn’t work that out. Thanks to you I have closure at last XD Also the Emperor’s 100% relatable ‘frustrated at being coached on musical garnish whilst I'm fighting for my life just sight reading here’ faces get me every time.
13:58 they’re watching like proud parents at their kid’s first recital XD
And here’s another reason why Salieri got so far on his mediocre talent whilst Mozart got nowhere: Salieri has people skills and room reading ability. Mozart... not so much.
Von Swieten is for German - but Rosenberg is pro-Italian, and of course Bonno will agree with anything Rosenberg says - so by the time the chamberlain votes for German, Salieri already knows he’s going to be the deciding vote. You can see the momentary concerned look on his face as he realises. Instead of picking a side, and potentially stepping on the toes of those he votes against, he makes a witty comment that successfully steers the topic away. Contrast Mozart’s immediate “Let it be German!” and now he has Rosenberg & Co. against him for the rest of the movie. It’s not fair, but it’s clearly how this game is played and the poor guy simply had no clue.
Also the chamberlain and Rosenberg do NOT like each other, and it’s hilarious! Note the little pointed look he gives Rosenberg just before he disagrees with him. lolololololol “Diiiiiid we?” Utter boss bitch move. Gosh I love that man and the bountiful shade he throws!
This movie is genuinely funnier than some modern actual comedy films!
Fantastic series! Amadeus is also one of my favorite films and you nail all the best points. So glad someone is analyzing a film that is this old and underappreciated.
Great art is never appreciated in it's time. Your videos deserve way more credit. Thank you for your work. ❤
Jeffery Jones, a great actor who tragically destroyed his own career.
Well..Amadeus did win 8 Oscar's that year.
I figured the reason we hear the march of welcome repeated so many times is to get in in the audiences head so that you can clearly hear that Mozart is making a decorated version of it later. Also interesting that the melody sounds like “na na na boo boo”, like, “I’m so much better than you, Salieri”
Two interesting facts about that scene: it is a homage to when Mozart memorized the sacred Vatican piece (forbidden to be performed outside) and wrote it down, and the piece that Mozart improvises from the March is Non Piu Adrai from Figaro.
Just when I thought I was out. They pull me back in
Milos Forman said he likes all the characters in his movies to be memorable rather than just line reciters or placeholders...he certainly achieved that with this masterpiece, my fav movie!
Fine analysis of movie personalities and behaviourism indeed. Much appreciated. Your narration-explanation is world class🙏🏾
Thanks! Check out part 3 if you havent already!
15:58 I can see how repeating the emperor’s comment could be further indicative of Salieri’s superiority complex, but I also think it’s interesting the way he genuinely seems to smile and chuckle at it along with Mozart. A laugh he normally hates. I think this is one moment where in the face of his idol, he can laugh with him about the emperor, a man he publicly speaks highly of but actually understands is a hack. They both understand this, and joining Mozart in a laugh about it, he can feel as though they are equals. For a brief moment, Salieri can feel close to godliness by laughing along with Mozart and looking down on someone else’s mediocrity.
Man!, I am a really big fan of this movie and to be honest; you deserve more credit for this analysis. Wonderful work!.
Next part out in like a few minutes!
Wow, I'm really enjoying this! I can't wait for the next one!
Should be out in two days!
A beautiful homage to a most amazing film - thank you; you worked hard for us!💐
A film built on Hollywood fabrication with a sprinkling of truth - but only a sprinkling. That said, if anyone deserved the Oscar, it was Tom.
Part 3 will be out on Sunday!
Oh it's supposed to be a movie about Salieri, but they called it Amadeus? Wow that would really annoy Salieri.
Amadeus, meaning “God’s Beloved.” A double whammy for Salieri.
But he got the Oscar!
This is brilliant stuff! More!
Working on part 3
I love this. This is really fun to watch.
Totally amazing, can't wait for part III. Superb analysis
duuude your videos are very high quality. I expected you to have at least 500k subs. Funny too. Excuse my bad grammer, but English is not my first language, and also I am currently high as hell.
or should I say, as a kite🎉?
I been editing and making UA-cam videos for years, just had the perfect idea this time round, my last channel is Leonardo J. Oliveira
I watched this film when it first came out right before I went to Juilliard. I was so young, and so enamored, charmed, delighted and saddened by it that my love for Mozart took a different track. Hearing you analyze it and being just as delighted as I was the first time - was such a nostalgic pleasure for me. As if a whole new generation found the complete delight and profound sadness of Mozart's life - and has taken inspiration from it. (btw your comedic timing is perfect)
My favorite movie of all ❤,
i knew i’d be back lurking in the comments :) the meme editing in the show off scene is making me lose my god damn mind
also: another arbitrary parallel but my favorite language to sing in is german, NO QUESTION. so if you can imagine i was over the moon about all the bickering they have over the language
Thank you sir. You're smart and I know more about Mozart, movies, film analysis and how to really watch, enjoy and get more enjoyment and even enlightenment out of movies. And I also know more about how Spongebob actually inspired the movie Amadeus and how this award winning movie about Mozart is really just an elaborate allegory for everybody's favorite little underwater yellow guy with Vienna as Bikini Bottom, Squidward as Salulari ect. Now I know and knowing accounts for approximately half of all victories gained on the battlefield, or something like that I've heard. Great Job! (And I don't meM that in any tim anberic kind of way either.).
your videos are insightful & quite funny
watch YMS he's funnier
This analysis is outstanding.
That too many notes guy looks like Chandler Bing
HAHAHAHA
Could I BEEE anymore of a kiss up?
i have been enjoying your analysis very much, but i am surprised that you omitted to mention the talent of mozart of hearing sounds or words in a special way ... a scene where mozart is shown playing with words spoken backwards .... i always thought that this "word game scene" is added to show that he must have had a special set of ears. didnt he compose something for 2 violins in which players play the same tune but one's score is turned upside down ?
You might be thinking of Bach’s crab canon on a möbius strip
Great stuff. Surprised you didn’t note that the Emperor called Salieri “cattivo” (bad/evil/wicked) when he advocated for Mozart’s patronage.
Is that what it means? I assumed it meant correct hahaha
Thanks I’ll try and work it in as a joke later on
Thanks, Enjoyed, I know I am just a hick from Texas, But I could feel some of the movie. Wolfy was something special. Now doubt.
Goddamn. What an analytical eye!
Now I wish that Miloš Forman had directed an episode of Spongebob.
Oh for sure, the episode Choir Boys is pretty close
Well, there it is.
Salieri didn't want to speak to God. He wanted God to speak to him.
He did love music and was a greater composer than 99.9% of all people, but he didn't have the true divine touch that the likes of Mozart, Bach and Beethoven had.
Salieri (the movie version) didn't serve his art, he didn't sacrifice himself for his art as a true artist does. instead he used his art to glorify himself.
He didn't even want to be a channel for God from a love for God either. He wanted to feel superior to others and special.
If he loved art more than himself, then he would have swallowed his pride and helped God use Mozart.
Interestingly, even after Mozart died, the real Salieri was still a very respected figure and Beethoven use to go to him for music lessons even when Beethoven was already a celebrated composer.
Why is everything “weird” as you ask? 15:10. Because Emperor Joseph was the Hapsburg Holy Roman Emperor, and a conscious proponent of the Enlightenment trying his best to bring modernity to Europe before it overwhelmed and killed the aristocracy (as it of course did to his own sister Antoinette, the Queen of France during the French Revolution). So much wealth and power had become concentrated in the top 1% of European society thanks to the new economics we’d recognize as “capitalism” yet the aristocracy refused to share power with the bourgeoisie via meaningful reforms granting power to European houses of representatives. Joseph was a very self-conscious “enlightened” monarch and was trying to create a new society within his court and his tiny government which reflected a new way to share power (a little) with the people (by recognizing them AS people … even if they had no meaning way of pursuing their economic interests legally (outside of Britain and the Netherlands anyway) … based on new ways of thinking about people as “equals”. It was mostly too little, too late. Revolutionary “democratic republicanism” swept across America, then France, and into Europe (where it was brutally suppressed until the mid-1800s) in the first half of the 19th century.
The “weirdness” of the scene and the social confusion you noted is caused by Mozart not knowing who to bow to BECAUSE no one in Emperor Joseph’s reception hall was in the “proper” place or acting in their “proper manner” according to established court traditions that Mozart would have had decades of experience with from traveling around Europe with his father and sister. Forman did an excellent job of conveying the relative chaos Emperor Joseph had introduced into his court and his Empire by his adopting ideas from the liberal Enlightenment that sweeping across Europe, as the bourgeois class was vying for power to reflect their new wealth and for what they as deserved for the immense fortunes they had added to the wealth of Europes’s monarchies over the previous two centuries since the “renaissance” which their new economic system and technologies and colonial expeditions had funded.
very clever analysis!
"I, proud Salieri - I ENVIED!" --A. Pushkin, "Salieri and Mozart."
Why do folks know who Boswell was, or Schenker?
Because of their roles as amanuenis to Jonson and Brahms.
If Salieri - a brilliant ANALYST of music, as surely as he was a mediocre composer - had assigned himself as scribe and analyst of Mozart (a role that Wolfie may have been incapable of, even if he had been less busy DOing it), every music school would be teaching Salieri Analysis.
The arguing scene about Mozart in Vienna, is a bit more complex Salieri show there intelligence and limits, the emperor can’t really made his mind about music, but he has a political agenda, weakened the bishop-prince and Salieri understand it and respond cleverly but he puts himself in the politicians side of the arguing. He is a Court composer more at ease with intrigue finesse than a Artist driven by an inner need. THX love your work
Yes, it seems Salieri knows the Emperor's mind better than anyone, and figured perhaps that he was already leaning towards bringing Mozart to Vienna, if for no other reason, than to annoy the Bishop (btw the actor playing the Bishop was the Emperor in the stage version). Plus Salieri could avoid praising or condemning Mozart's music by giving his opinion the way he did. Rather than saying "Mozart's great, bring him here", or "Mozart sucks", he instead flatters the Emperor's political wisdom (as well as his own). Very clever.
Salieri’s welcome music for the emperor turns into a corrupted welcome music for Mozart, Salieri’s skill ruined by both the emperor and by Mozart.
Elizabeth Berrige really is perfect for the role. But I will say, seeing this movie for the first time as a teenager, I found her very distracting! She's just so cute, in part due to how she's styled and acts in this role.
Funny. I always felt Saleri was being passive aggressive or manipulative when first asked about Mozart by the emperor. By mentioning infuriating the Salzburg king I thought he was being slick to keep the emperor from employing Mozart.
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You mey ahe odne Aai here . Consatanza . Wa stagta joke or did AI find that pic ?
DUDE 15:53 I died laughing