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Another anime adaptation that was apparently disliked by the original mangaka was the 2001 Fruits Basket anime. She didn't like a lot of changes made such as turning Shigure into more of a comic relief character. She was more involved in the 2019 anime.
Tbh....the original Fruits Basket had the right idea. I loved and read all the manga and I couldn't even finish the new series. It was just so over dramatic that it was hard to engage with.
@@abbaddabba6100 yeah that new anime was based on the complete manga storyline so in the 2001 anime the last few episodes got it mixed up plus it focus on more comedy than the serious stuff and when I read the manga after I finished watch the 2001 I was surprise of those that it didn’t add in the 2001 and I begin to understand why the creator didn’t like how the 2001 anime was handle but the good thing about the 2001 anime was the OST that was huge impact
Then there was the big plot point that I think might have tipped over the mangaka. Akito's gender reveal. The 2001 anime just outright made him a dude when in reality, Akito's masculine look was to assert authority and respect from the Sohma family. This has more or less the trope of women dressing or passing off as dudes to be taken seriously in whatever field or situation they're put in. By making Akito a guy, that shuts down some of the trauma that she has that made her into she is now.
The answer is already out there, Yamaga (prior CEO of Gainax) is a liar you shouldn't trust. Anno caught up with the manga so the last couple episode deviated until the final episode which was released the week of that chapter, time wasn't on there side so hence redraws the manga, this all came out in the Kare Kano Bluray Interviews which I had someone translate 2 years ago on Rikki's Buy me a coffee page. They couldnt finish the play because it was not written Kare Kano was a monthly manga it was ages away from an ending. There's also no evidence outside Yamaga the author hated the work her own interview on the matter doesn't give that impression.
16:39 As a girl, I think the reason why you see a lot girls going out with old, smelly adults in shoujo and media is because authors are appealing and kinda taking advantage of the common girls' hopes for validation. Teens may think that by acting grown up or by being treated as an adult by an actual adult, will give them the love and respect they seek. Another thing is that kids tend to confuse admiration for love, so I think they are also appealing to the trope of kids having crushes for role models because it may be a type of "love" that teens have experienced before.
I think people often forgets that not so long ago, teens going out with adults was a common ocurrence and not frown upon, specially in certain countries, such as Japan. Most parents would find big age gaps normal, specially if the dude had money and prestige
@@CamilaLopez-bx7fqFrowning upon larger age gaps is very much a modern phenomenon. Western culture up until the turn of the 20th century generally saw 14+ as a valid age for courtship. A Bar Mitzfah/Bat Mitzfah was a Jewish ceremony celebrating the age of adulthood...at 13. I don't purport to know what is truly right or wrong, I'm far too old and generally only interested in men older than me, but the idea of these ages being too young is very new, historically speaking. Morality is not totally objective and changes with the passing of many generations.
It's interesting that KareKano got flack back in the day for its more experimental animation style. Yet Bocchi the Rock does stuff like that too. And that series is almost universally praised, partly because of its more unique animation style.
More unique styling is accepted nowadays. I remember an anime a few decades back which was very unique and visually striking (something red leaves?? Idk) but got so little recognition at the time of its release that the director was apologizing and I think shaved his head in shame. things r a bit different now. Tho artsy anime still doesn’t have the same broad appeal, so it’s more of a niche interest.
@@ma.2089 So what your saying is…if Kare Kano came out now it might have been more well received right out of the gate? This is making me hope for a remake even more.
The paper puppet style episode looks like it took so much work, is such a deliberate, artistic achievement, and it’s just so much fun, that to refer to it in a derogatory is absolutely fking insane to me.
I want to express how much I love the paper puppet style, it's so fun to work with too.... but it is much easier and less work to make then full animations, not to discredit it, It is always amazing to see different art styles and different mediums.
I frankly hope someone just picks it up where it left off a la season 2. I cannot imagine anyone looking at Anno’s ambitious adaptation of the first couple of arcs and wanting to try to reboot all of that
I hope so too, but in the 2025 time line. It will be more fun to see Yukino also beeing a social media queen. The thought that she wants followers would add to her charakter beeing the center of attention and admaration😂
WOW I FOUND IT! I was on an anime site 2yrs ago and was going through a romance list in alphabetical order to randomly choose something to watch. THIS was the anime i came across and literally loved it. I stopped watching because i got recruited for the Police Force. I forget about it/couldn't remember the name. But what a surprise that this vid randomly popped up in my feed today😂. Thank you! Im going to watch this again right now
Few recognize that all of the work is fantastic. Few have read the whole manga to realize it's mid. Few make the effort not to spread misinformation on the anime. Thank you. "When I entrusted the adaptation to them, I knew that it would not be *my* KareKano...I gave them carte blanche, being careful not to make any comments. And in the end, a lot of people could see my story...I am very happy about that" Tsuda Masami
Calling a manga about recovering from severe child abuse mid is interesting. But I get it, because some other parts don't hold up. I thought the way the central theme was handled made up for the parts that fell flat.
@@Midorikonokami Just because a work delved into complicated topics doesn't necessarily make it great. I'd probably rate this manga higher if it solely upheld its profound exploration of various romances instead. Imo, Arima's troubles are romanticized, and his healing is rushed (and probably couldn't have been done without proper therapy).
@@Midorikonokami yeah that sounds like a kneejerk reaction. you are blind to the manga's faults just because it exploits serious subject matter. i like the anime and manga a lot but that only helped me realize how flawed it really was, even back in the day. the resolution of arima's arc was grossly unsatisfying. its just another case of tragic backstory stretched along for the sake of maintaining suspense, treated exactly as a soap opera or cheap TV drama. the required due diligence of the author to research and explore what truly happens in these cases of child abuse simply aren't there.
@@lamhamzzzzzz You've expressed this better than I did. Exactly, Arima's trauma is treated as a soap opera, and the story ends with him still being painfully reliant on Yukino, which was his problem in the first place. There's an implication that since they're married and with kids, his dependency somehow gets a pass now. And don't get me started on how his biological father is treated leagues better than his biological mother by the cast and the narrative because he 'just' abandoned him with a person who never wanted him either rather than physically abused him. Or how Arima's r**e of Yukino (resulting in a sudden pregnancy on top of that) is dismissed with a slap on the wrist because uwu poor thing already hates himself so much, and she decided to have the baby anyway, so it's seemingly a-ok. Or how it's Yukino who's described to have challenges as a mother due to her innate perfectionism, but her severely traumatized husband is a flawless father somehow outside of not spending a lot of time with the family.
Thanks for the deep dive into what happened! While I did love Kare Kano when I was younger, it definitely had its issues. That quote about them wanting to emphasize the comedy over the romance does ring true to me, but I understand your point that it didn't necessarily take away from the development of Yuki and Arima's relationship. I do often wonder how Kare Kano would look if it got the Fruits Basket reboot treatment, and to your point, I believe it would definitely end up with a more serious presentation considering how dark it gets later on in the manga.
Fruits Basket 2001 is what comes to mind when I hear anime that manga author didn't like and disallowed continuation. Its quite infamous. Director and author clashed over everything. Audiences loved it but she hated the anime. That's why it didn't get a second season despite its popularity. She allowed the reboot to happen when it was promised to have an entirely different team, studio, and cast.
Nah, it's the fault of the programmer guy from the second half of the episode who created these seizure-inducing missiles. Although the scene where Pikachu destroys one of the missiles is particularly infamous, the flashes actually start appearing earlier and they are NOT caused by Pikachu
tf is he supposed to call it? the pikachu episode? pikachu is in every episode. porygon is only in that one, and has in fact been essentially banned from appearing in the anime outside of brief cameo shots since the episode aired nearly 30 years ago. it's pretty much universally known as "the porygon episode" for good reason.
FUN FACT: Yukito Kishiro hated the anime of of Gunnm/Battle Angel Alita so much that he sold the adaptation rights to James Cameron... JUST to kill it. And THAT is why we have the awesome live action movie.
Yukito Kishiro after a long break restarted a new series and retcon the ending with the Battle Angel Alita: Last Order series and also created a prequel/sequel series with the Mars Chronicles series.
I think the anime is very fun and was ahead of its time. It's a more realistic portrayal of teenage relationships than the general plot you'd see for similar series
For me, the reason why this issue still exist is because the anime was well-made. I came to like the story because of the anime. It was really funny and gave justice to the depth of the MC and ML's dual characters. I was really young back then when I have the CD and unlike today, in the past you cannot have the information translated for your convenience. I have no choice but to read the whole thing (manga wasn't finished yet at the time) but I keep coming back to the anime. I think it's similar to the Fruits Basket 2001 version. I love that. But the author hated it. I cried tons. The music, the voices and the storytelling was really affecting and the young me felt the sadness. I still cry and feel sad whenever I see it. But when I saw the newer version, it just wasn't the same. The magic was gone. The music was not good. They don't really make bg music anymore. I started watching animes like 2007s and I can tell there's so much difference.
I still recall having seen it when fansubs on VHS (remember either of those things) hit these shores back in 1998 or thereabouts. I was part of a loose clique of fanfic writers who hung out on the FFML and were meeting each other for the first time in person. One of them walked out of the screening room after watching the first four episodes, commenting admiringly that "this show is so perfect we're not going to be able to make fanfic out of it." He turned out to be wrong - as such an assertion will just motivate certain people to prove him wrong - but to do it justice was a real challenge, one that I acknowledged was beyond my abilities, too.
Wow - props for the FFML reference - that takes me back. Also, who did the VHS fansubs - was it the Duffy's (they also did Marmalade Boy, among other titles)? Or Fushigi? Can't remember anymore.
WOW haven't thought about this anime in a whiiile. Never read the manga. I attempted the anime series a while back, but never finished it since I found the main characters to be generally unlikeable. Super interesting hearing about the behind-the-scenes regarding this series though. 🤔
I feel like the problem is that a lot of Japan doesn't like it when something doesn't follow the standard rules of other things. People tend to like comfort and not much changing the formula. You'd be surprised that Japan doesn't like Chainsaw Man's anime because it is "too weird". Most every day Japanese people don't know what Kare Kano, Cowboy Beebop, FLCL, or any of the other anime that westerners love and hold dear. They are not popular even though you'd be hard pressed to find someone outside of Japan who doesn't think these are masterpieces. There are of course fans of these shows, but they're fringe. Eva was the first "weird Anime" to really garner general popularity which is why it was such a big deal I think. I'm positive the author didn't like the tone of the anime for Kare Kano because it's not, well, what you'd expect from a Shojo adaptation. Ironically though, because it's different I'd argue, it's actually special.
Most japanese otaku don't consume anything except recent shows that are in season. If something is older than this year its very niche and they don't care about it.
@@j.2512 that doesn’t make sense. If they watch things that are in season, why would they only care about things from within the past year? Presumably if someone refers to themselves as an otaku, they’ve been watching anime for longer than one season. And then if all otaku are as you say, how would shows older than this year be niche if every otaku has seen it?
Eh, Studio Shaft's Madoka and Monogatari are extremely well-received in Japan, and both of those shows are highly experimental. From what I've seen, people didn't care for Chainsaw Man's adaptation because they felt the tone and directorial style didn't suit the manga all that well, not that such a "weird" style was inherently bad.
@@CantRead1 because most Americans were initially exposed to anime via a small selection curated by television networks. I think you’ll find a lot of Americans DO in fact know what Lupin III is, but because of its age it’s less popular. It wasn’t aired on tv in the states until around the 2000’s, and young people don’t usually care much for older animation or shows. It’s definitely waaay more popular in Japan than I expected it to be. But so is Tom and Jerry… which is still so weird to me. Haha
When I first started watching your video I figured the reason the mangaka didn't like the anime was because she was a wholesome person who didn't want the anime director going off the rails with her story. But then you showed us what 'wholesomeness' she came up with and... yeah. These two seem like they're both on the same track of violence.
I liked both despite them being different. Though I haven't seen the anime in a long time so maybe should rewatch it and then compare to the manga. I finished reading the manga a couple months ago while I have many problems with it I still overall enjoyed it enough to give it an 8/10.
I fell INLOVE with the anime when i first watched it. Only downside were the recaps who became repetitive, but other than that? Its the best explored highschool romance i probably ever saw. Its sweet, its honest, it isnt melodramatic... Its direction is insane - you see the clear vision from Anno. It certainly has that flair thats just missing in the manga... besides the aforementioned issues you mentioned after the anime. It truly sucks that Annos vision was so heavily restricted,... makes you doubt that the anime industry is really about art, experimentalism and self expression... Great video mane, enjoyed every second of it.
As a fan of the manga version. While I did appreciate the unique style at some points in the anime adaption. It felt at times, a bit too random for it to be that style only particular--especially for that one particular episode you were referring to. However, I do see where your points are in regards to the relationships that happen in the manga later on. Some of them aren't the healthiest for sure by today's standards. The whole major age gap thing had a been a common/popular trope in shoujo manga/anime back then. It's rarely used now due to things brought into light of how toxic and unhealthy it is in reality (the new take on Sailor Moon is an example of fixing the age gap issue between Usagi and Mamoru of going with the times now). How relationships were done in Kare Kano, shows the age and era of manga/anime. As for calling the manga grew to more of a soap opera down the line, I think if I recall the Manga Ka did say that she liked soaps. So if my memory is correct, your comparison is validated likely here. As a fan who read the manga first, do I like more than the anime?--Yes. However do I hate the anime?--No. Do I dislike the anime?--No. Am I neutral?--Yes Despite loving the manga more, do I recognize the faults in the manga itself?--yes. However, do I still love it considering the era it came out in?--Of course!
To set the record straight on Sailor Moon, there was only ever a fucked up age gap between Usagi and Mamoru in the 90s anime and I'm not sure we ever got a reason behind the bizarre change. In the manga and in the reboot, they're only roughly two years apart. Sadly the incest problem is still present and accounted for since an entire antagonist is built from it, and there's of course the concerning physical age gap between Pegasus and Chibiusa, considering her body was still stuck as a wee child during all of that arc. However, please remember when using Usagi/Mamoru as an example for problematic age gaps that it was only in the 90s anime, not in the original and thankfully not the in the reboot.
@@Biippa Was it even in the 90's anime as a whole or was it only in the dub? I kinda assumed the localizers aged Mamaru/ "Darian" up because they couldn't wrap their heads around/ didn't think it would be appropriate to show a 16 year old living alone...
In regards to your comment about how some of the relationships "aren't the healthiest by today's standards" like...isn't that the whole point of the story? The problem isn't the age of the manga, it's the fact that people have this expectation that relationships in the media they consume be these perfectly pure things and not at all problematic, so when a piece of media *does* have problematic or unhealthy relationships, they immediately dismiss it or ridicule it instead of evaluating it critically. Spoilers below... Like...the whole point of the story is that Arima is the second or third generation of a cycle of abuse, and the result of his mother raping his father. His whole story arc is about breaking that cycle of abuse, which he's able to do due to his relationship with his adoptive parents as well as his relationship with Yukino, but his relationship with her is also something that he has to come to terms with because while he's struggling with his mental health and his past and in the mean time she's this perfectly normal girl from a perfectly normal family. Her name even translates to "of snow," which you could argue is symbolic of her purity, especially in relation to Arima. This is something that you see weighing heavily on him, and all of this is also why Yukino was worried about telling him she was pregnant and didn't want to tell him at first, because she knew that, especially given the circumstances, he might freak out given his past. You can see this theme in the dynamics of some of the other relationships as well, such as the friends who end up dating whose past involves one being a bully and the other being her victim. It's not that the series didn't age well, or that the relationships aren't the healthiest by today's standards, it's that the anime adaptation (and the western marketing for the manga, for that matter, considering the fact that Tokyopop labeled it as "romance comedy") insisted on making a comedy out of a manga series whose whole plot is about exploring cycles of abuse and unhealthy relationships. It's not exactly like the Kare Kano manga (or, if it ever got made, its remake) is unique in being an actually dark series that lures you into a false sense of security with a happy/ funny beginning. That particular trope is a staple of anime and manga. What we're ultimately dealing with is the equivalent of if someone took a manga version of, like...Madoka, and then only adapted the earliest parts of it and then diverged in order to turn it into a completely normal magical girl series.
The manga was shoujo romance with comedic elements, while the anime pushed closer to romantic comedy territory. This situation reminds me of Fruits Basket, which was directed towards more comedy, but didn't quite go as extreme as Anno did. It felt like Anno wanted to tackle a different genre, but his style conflicted too much. In manga liner notes, the mangaka admits to liking age gaps, but that final one is a bit much.
Dude, shoujo romance goes in some very weird, very melodramatic directions. Just look at Hana Yori Dango, one of the most popular shoujo romances of all time. It is basically a soap opera with all the crazy stuff you can think of. It has also been adapted multiple times in multiple countries. I think you gotta be ready for melodrama if you get into that genre.
Kare Kano was an anime/manga that i followed closely in high school. I remember waiting and checking Borders Bookstore often for when the next volume would release. I dont think we need a remake of Kare Kano or a continuation, its fine the way it is as an introduction to the story as the anime where you finish the story as the manga. I felt like the anime did follow the manga pretty closely except for the last few episodes where it just went off the hinges. The first part that the anime covered was basically Yukino's story, very light hearted because she came from a good honest family, probably what many would consider to be an ideal image of a family whereas Arima's story, the second half of the manga was the complete opposite. It really broke into trauma and how it holds you through life. You can mask it as much as you can but eventually the mask comes off either due to fatigue or reintroduction. The fairy tale ending was that their trauma essentially gets resolved and everyone moves forward, that doesn't really happen in real life.
I enjoyed the anime for its surreal visuals and humor Anno gave it, plus the dub is pretty solid and after reading the manga, I found it to be at least engaging. Though I can understand why the author did not like it seeing how different it is from the anime. But if I were to choose, it would be the anime.
All animators " Oh flashing lights are giving kids seizures, yeah makes sense I also would get headaches while editing them". Anno " WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T GIVE KIDS SEIZURES? MY ART!!!".
I'll always remember the hilarious scene when Yukino chases Tsubasa all around the school which is on Episode 10. I'm so glad I can rewatch it because Muse Asia uploaded the anime on YT. The OST is so good too!
2005 was the year I first understood what anime was, the internet was so different and I was only 11 so there was this whole process of learning I had to go through. At the same time I found VOD channels that would release anime about two episodes a month (I wish I could remember the names of them because they also released supplimentary content) and Kare Kano was one of the first series I consumed. I cannot describe how deeply it affected me, I watched the first episode over so many times, desperately wanted to dress like Yukino, and named one of my first OCs Yuki. It was also around that time that the internet kept telling me that "Evangelion was the greatest anime" and so I tried watching it when it showed up a year later but feeling like it didn't really connect with me the way shows like Karekano did. I was too young and new to ever realize they were made by the same director.
Stopppp me too, I would rewatch the first episode on UA-cam because I didn’t know how to search up the rest of the episodes on the web lmao (I was 9 or smth) I think I was so obsessed with it because it was the first shoujo anime I saw with a ‘flawed’ character. Because usually in shojo the MC is unassuming aka self-insert, but Yukino was narcissistic, goofy, and boisterous. This video is a great reminder to finally finish the series :,)
@5:20: I'ma be real with ya chief... that little sequence actually looks kinda funny, and makes me want to watch the show. I've seen PLENTY of beautiful animation over the years, but you don't often get bizarre looking nonsense like this. I actually find it kindof amusing, and since it's not how the ENTIRE show looks, I actually see it as a positive. Or at least something that makes it stand out.
The budget thing with Gainax was only half true. They didn't have low budgets at all, they just administered it badly or were too ambitious with it which did affect their earlier stuff. Gunbuster had a pretty decent budget but they were trying to bite more than they could chew until they literally ran out of paint.
@@j.2512 and that too has been debunked xD actually they explained that they chose the grey tones deliberately and the process to shoot in that style was MORE expensive than a normal color episode xD (it was in a interview with Anno, I must check if I can find again where I've read it, in case I'll link)
Glad YT recommended me this amazing review and instantly subscribed for your take on liking the anime better! This was the first romance anime I've ever watched as a teenager and I had no idea it was directed by Anno. Now I know why I like it so much. The music on this show is also GOD tier. I'm also realizing how much Anno has influenced my own art and my obsession with composition
I really like Anno's work, but I do think his style was a tad too overbearing in his adaption of Kare Kano. He fails to consider the audience of the manga, and treats Kare Kano as his own little experimental pet project to the exclusion of most other people. If Anno is the reason you watched it you will have a great time, but if you came to enjoy the story as a shojou fan, you're worse off.
From what i remember, there was controversy when the manga author goes dark for the sake of being edgy with the male protagonist Arima, having sex and going the pregnant route and stuff XD...you know, the tipical shoujos shenanigans, anyway you can see in the anime Anno was building the "bomb" in the latest eps, but Anno dint like that route because it made the female protagonist kind of "i can fix him" too early... witch is normal psicology, but knowing Anno and how he build the series and Yukino so far, and Evangelion and Nadia and yes it was a guy directing girls stuff... was anticlimatic and honestly ( i read the full manga btw) he was right. That not means the manga was bad , it just was not something for delicate and innocent shonen minds XD jk jk... Anyway, the first 4 ep were an amazing artistic achivement, there is nothing except Utena that came close on how to "make" a shoujo. On the modern ones, maybe Kimi no Todoke come close, but without the punch. The rest eps were great Gainax style with an inconcluse ending. It was a good idea giving Anno the series? hell yeah!!! its was gonna end in disaster? Hell yeah!! But man what a ride for those first 4 episodes.
I remember reading it when I was 11 and getting whiplash (+ boredom in their romance) around the pregnancy reveal then Arima pulling a gun! Actually remember being so sucked out I just kept thinking "go back to the step sibling romance" because I just wanted romance not drama, in hindsight not surprising story wise. I mean, Maid sama ended up in England with usui related to royalty needing to get saved so maybe my expectations just weren't set yet for romance manga 😂😂😂
@@greyblueme9711I was somewhat older but I was still perplexed af lol. Also Mahou the smartest character in the series forcing herself on some dentist in his late 20s, Yukino having the hots for Arima's SUDDENLY rediscovered father, and the casual ease with which they raise 3 kids in the epilogue 'cause these children are 'as good and smart as their parents'. The stepsiblings' romance was honestly the most normal thing. xD Actually I think that Tsubasa's healing through a relationship with an emotionally stable person with a secure attachment style like Kazuma was pretty well-done. A part of me wishes we had more of her pov instead of his, but then I remember that she wasn't terribly bright and was also kinda shallow (and remains this way down to the epilogue), so...
@@aimee9478 Wasn't Yukino's "attraction" to Arima's bio dad less attraction to the father himself and more about the fact that his appearance gave her a good idea of what Arima was going to look like when he got older?
@@shizucheese Yeah, we can say so! But some scenes like the one where she clearly seemed to be more enamored with his father than with him at the moment gave me pause. Even Arima found it mildly bothersome. xD Besides, tbh he never became that specific kind of hot.
I rememebr reading Kare Kano and saying "This is one the best shoujo I have ever read!" and one of the points I loved the most is how every character got to be the center of the plot at some point giving them more depth and care to their story, a thing that I saw very rarely in others shoujo mangas.
The dog is the cutest anime dog I have ever seen. I still love Pero Pero ❤️ Also, I have no problem with the art style. It makes it cool, unique, and adds to the charm. I feel more upset it ended without finishing the story.
I personally like both. The anime is what got me into the manga which I then proceeded to purchase and binge. I will say though, you're reference to the manga turning into a soap opera is probably part of the reason why I continued to enjoy it. Can't resist soaps/dramas lol
The author disliked the Kare Kano anime? Dear Lord HOW? It's incredible. For me it sits as the best Shoujo/Josei anime alongside Fruits Basket. Although I think KareKano has a significantly better soundtrack with a more realistic slant whilst whilst Fruits Basket has a fantasy aspect to it and is almost a melodramatic philosophy lesson in itself with an endlessly optimistic main character.
I got into "Kare Kano" after meeting Veronica Taylor (English voice of Yukino) at a convention last year. She signed my "Pokémon" DVD, and as I was complimenting her work on "The World of Narue" and "Emma: A Victorian Romance," she said I might like "His and Her Circumstances." I started watching it on UA-cam a couple of months later, and yeah, the show (and the dub) were really good! I'd definitely say I liked the first half more than the second half. Not that I didn't enjoy parts of the second half, I could just really tell the people making it were spinning their wheels after running out of manga material to cover, especially with the extra recap. (I did dig some of the artistic choices, though, like how, at one point, one of the paper cut-outs was set on fire.) 😂 As for the mangaka's feelings on the subject, I haven't read the manga yet, but I agree with your takes. I enjoy the show's sense of humor, but the romance between the two leads is what hooked me to begin with. I appreciate that it doesn't take long for Yukino and Arima to get together and how they acknowledge their faults yet inspire each other to live as their true selves. (And how their character development comes from figuring out who their true selves even are.) All this really makes me wonder how serious the manga got in tone for the author to think the anime was too goofy. I heard something similar happened with the original "Fruits Basket" anime, which is why Natsuki Takaya wanted the reboot to be made by a whole new studio, staff, and voice cast. The production of "His and Hers" sounds like a more extreme version of that. 😅 All in all, it's a great show. If you like older anime or rom-coms with a touch of an edge, I recommend it despite its shortcomings. Anno may be riddled with angst, but he has talent. This is from someone who hasn't seen "Evangelion" yet.
Great video. Kare Kano / His and Her circumstances feels super forgotten. I didn't even realize it was an Ano anime but oh boy does a lot make sense now.
I agree to the comparison between KareKano and LoveIsWar. I find the drama and convey of feelings in LoveIsWar is less than how much a teenager (using myself as an example) would feel. KareKano on the other hand is on point at the amount of excitement, happiness, sadness, shocking, and at times mundane, the peacefulness, and the quietness I had back in my high school days. I find myself more relatable to characters in KareKano than LoveIsWar simply on the premises of personality flaws and darkness, and the family dynamics shown in the KareKano is just something I wished I had at home. And the music in KareKano… omg!
The Gainax problem was never money, it was drama within the studio, drama which lead to constant staff rotation, every 5 to 6 years, like clockwork, most staff leave, get replaced in a mass recruitment wave, then that group also leaves roughly after 5 or 6 years, I mean Japanese workers can put up with a lot, but even they have a breaking point. Which hints to the real problem, the people in charge, turns out it was their fault all along, even Anno himself finally had enough and left. We were all completely unaware of at the time (even the Japanese Otaku were unaware and they usually are the first to find out). But we all know that now, especially so given what has come to light in the past decade. Also, we need to keep in mind that firstly, the anime did catch up to the Manga, at the time the Manga was still very much in it's full run and it was still very good, which is why it was popular and why it got an anime to begin with and like with most anime of that time period, it caught up to the manga, so they had to do a lot of filler until the manga progressed again past the anime; An infamous example being Full Metal Alchemist where instead of waiting, they studio just went ahead and made up their own story and deviated completely off from where the Manga left off and just went off the rails story wise; Considering that Brotherhood covered everything that was covered in the FMA over 20 episodes in just 10 episodes just shows that FMA's production was "let's follow the manga 100% because if we don't we will overtake it," which they did but the parent company told them to finish and it wasn't great... hmmm what else had this issue, oh yeah Game of Thrones... So, yeah back in the day you either went ahead and deviated and produced something bad, or you make filler episodes... So yeah, considering the norm in the west is to make stuff up when you overtake as opposed to delay tactics, it is plainly obvious which direction has better fan reception. Also the relationship between Yamaga and author was, well, there wasn't any at the time (again he is a liar), which is implied, we still don't know the truth of the matter, all we have is Anno's side of the story and from what he has said it does seem to be the case, her involvement was very much on the licenced royalties side of things involving the heads of Gainax and the network, so her say didn't count for much, wouldn't be surprised if it was between the company who publishes her work and that of Gainax (this is likely closer to the truth because this is often the case with most things), (in my opinion Yamaga's statement was simply a passive aggressive swipe at Kano, but that's my opinion, again a lot of drama happened at Gainax). The anime's cancellation was 100% a joint decision between Gainax and the network, that being TV Tokyo, namely because of constant complaint letters, bad ratings and the slow pace of the Manga, they had caught up to the Manga and were now starting to make stuff up, while weaving the actual Manga story into the anime where they could, the the fact the anime was doing poorly was simply an excuse to cut it off there. A lot of the author's dislike is from *after* the anime finished and has been something of a recent thing and I agree that I think it had nothing to do with the art style, but the inclusion of made up anime only story as well in my own opinion. Considering that the soap opera direction which the manga took happened after this anime cancelled, so it possibly may be a result of this anime that the manga took such a drastic turn for the worse, we'll never know, it's a best guess I can make if anything, keep in mind soap operas were all the rage in the 90s so it may be a case she was trying to cash in on that by trying to stand out as sales declined, considering how competitive romcom manga was back then (seriously romcom manga was the isekai of the 90s). All the facts are now out there, I mean Gianax's dirty laundry has been revealed under a spotlight over the past 10 years as various truths have been revealed, especially in wake of the lawsuit. Also Anno has come clean with everything now that there is no risk of anyone coming after him legally or it having any effect on him in doing so by revealing the truth. So speculation can all be tossed aside in this regard. Gainax doesn't exist anymore, Anno now owns everything and Yamaga has zero power, guy is now scraping by doing commissioned work from Square Enix, so he can't threaten Anno, or anyone legally for speaking out. As for the Author, all she has said is that she didn't like the anime and this was years after the anime finished and she never elaborated to the reasons. That's the end of it.
I’m just glad my favorite romance manga got an amazing romance anime adaptation; now it’s my favorite romance series. It's getting a light novel adaptation and a movie soon, so I’m so hyped. I don’t know if you have seen BokuYaba, but it is amazing. I hope we get a 3rd season, too.
First thing that comes to mind is Gunslinger Girl. Although the first 2003 anime adaptation by Madhouse was praised by many, but author Yu Aida hated it because they put original episode which he was displeased. So in the 2008 2nd season Gunslinger Girl il-Teatrino, Aida himself did the head writer, this time with new VA’s and Artland as a studio. Put it simply it was the shittiest adaptation so much so they never followed up with 3rd season to conclude the story
i don't remember much, but i remember it felt like watching an "experimental" project that "might" have influenced some. You could say it had some elements that was ahead of it's time... but then the direction of the story get's _VeRy oDd_ ...
I do appreciate how it's become acceptable for anime to just take long breaks (sometimes for years) to wait for enough new source material to get written instead of either pumping out filler or going in their own directions as was more common back in the nineties. I was more satisfied with how the manga went than most, but I do agree that there's a lot of whiplash when you've been expecting Arima to have secrets on the same level of Yuki's hiding her true self and what gets revealed is on such another level that the couple loses the balance they had.
Yeah. Although Shojo can be a very misunderstood genre and have really good stories, there's still the Shojo mangas that has a weird obsession with age gap romance. Fruits Basket is one of the best Shojos, but then it feels awkward when you find more about Tohru's parents. I think it’s because the guy is older and mature, so the girls would feel they are taken care of because it’s either daddy issues or a lack of positive male role models. I know I do. I used to read them to and thought nothing of it until I got older. It took me 10 years after reading Cardcaptor Sakura to realize many of the relationships are so wrong. The ones that were healthy were Toya and Yukito and of course Sakura and Syaoran. Even the girl Chiharu who does have a boyfriend who’s the same age as her was not healthy. The boy is technically a pathological liar who loves messing his friends, and she is abusive towards him. It’s kinda a reverse with older men obsessing over young idols because they treat them like their daughters. (It’s something I learned) Most of them admit they aren’t in love with the idols, but they want to support their careers and buy merch. And unfortunately, what’s the point of buying photos and not look at them. They do meet ups and hand shakes like a dad who wants to say something proud to their child. Only the crazy ones are the ones that stalk and would cause harm to the idols if they don’t match their fantasies, such as dating someone.
@@j.2512 I would say that kids, teenagers and young adults as a whole are more likely to fall in love with people older than them, because they are attracted to perceived stability, intellect and wisdom of them. Boys are as likely to fall in love with their teacher as girls. We crave mentorship and feel special when we are noticed by people who we think of as smart and wise. It is normal for a kid to have romantic interest in older people, but it is not normal when it is reciprocated. And it is much more likely, statistically speaking, that a man would act upon it when learning of that infatuation (towards both genders). That's where Clamp fails with their "love transcends age and is always pure" BS.
@@Ongaliman You say Clamp as a whole but the most offensive age gap by miles is just the one in CCS with the young girl and teacher. A lot of Clamp manga don't feature them and the ones that do are much less "Disturbing"
Shojo manga also has a weird obsession with gay guys, gaslighting and physical abuse and and other sexual abuse... but thats not only a manga poblem but rather a female author problem - case and point " 50 shades of grey " etc...
Omg someone who actually remembers and gives Kare Kano its flowers. I only watched a few eps back when I was a child on UA-cam because I didn’t know how to search it up on the web lol, but it stuck out to me because of its comedic cast and beautiful storytelling (also the opening is so good and nostalgic.) I remember rewatching the first 2-3 episodes back in covid, aa I should really finish it 🥹
I’m pleasantly surprised to see a video on Kare Kano. I loved Kare Kano. It’s one of my favorite shojo manga. I have most of the manga and the anime box set. I’ve wanted a reboot to the anime for years. I didn’t exactly hate the anime, but I wish it was more like the manga. I want a reboot ala Fruits Basket style. New style, new director, and overseen by the mangaka. I want it more than anything.
I'm an anime only Kare Kano fan and had been in awe at that anime since I was basically 10 years old (I never watched Eva). I haven't rewatched it in a decade since I still got my fill of it from fond memories of it. Will probably read the manga whenever I get a time for it. And tbh, I liked the anime. It was a bit too mature in terms of exploring the relationship of the two main leads for my 10 years old brain, but it was so interesting to me that it made me excited on watching next episodes of it. Truth to be told, the last 3 episodes did took me out. And the abrupt ending made my brain concoct a fanfic just to make me think that series has an ending lol. I'll still believe that the author didn't fully imply on hating the anime adaptation though. Artsy and controversial it may be during its time, I still think the author is still okay with it.. (referring to what @/soundsofsoundsof said)
Kare Kano was similar to multiple other shoujo manga of the time. It was a period where romance manga needed to have perfect characters marked by tortured pasts. In at least a couple, the main guys have to force themselves on the main so she can "save" them. It's long standing in western romance novels as well. I'm not exactly a fan but it was what was available when I was a teen.
I loved both the manga and the anime. I loved the wall breaks the little popsicle sticks and stuff it was cute and funny. it was kinda deep at times, because they're teens, everything is so high stakes to them. But the manga and anime are different between them but both held a special place in my heart
Thank you for making such a good video about Kare Kano! Your commentary and jokes were all on point. Kare Kano is one of my all time fav animes to rewatch, the other two being Escaflowne and 12 Kingdoms! The holy trinity for me! I hope you make a video about 12 Kingdoms too!
I love this anime, but wasn't able to finish it because I used to just watch it on Free TV, and they didn't air the final episodes. I love the way it was presented and im generally a comedy fan anyways, although the romance aspect for this, I thought, was perfectly handled. Enemies become lovers, become strangers-ish to each other.
I have watched your hole video BECAUSE I LOVED THE ANIME. I now understand why it looks the way it looks. Personaly I did find the romance done well dispite the comedy. Loved all the colors and what their try to emphesize. At the end I was just trying to understand where the anime was going and how will main characters develope...and thinking I didn't understand the ending. I nevet read the manga because I wanted the anime. The manga spoiler part 🤔 yeah it does feel out of place and far fetched and is loosing fokus from the tennager even if parents are the part [or not] of their growing up. BUT the gun 😳 ... Your video made me think to read the manga. Should I really? Or it is going to turn into a big disapointment? Maybe I need to let it rest and keep this fond feeling that I have every time I set my eyes on Kare Kano Anime. Thank for making a Kare Kano related video today. It is nice to see someone knows and remembers it. 🥺
You didn’t mention the Goddess of voice acting for Miyadzava. She carried half of the show and sing the magical ending. I still shed a tear when hear the ending
Episode 18 basically completes the main story. 19 onward is another arc that stays incomplete unless you read the manga. It also has another the recap episode and a filler episode too. You can still watch them if you want but just know you're setting yourself up to be disappointed.
To me episodes like that won't necessarily be underwhelming right off the bat. I call it a win if it manages to make me curious enough that I want to see its source manga/LN/VN if the story is unfinished.
Another example of the author hating the anime adaptation was Gunslinger Girl - to the point that she wanted more creative control in Season 2 - which is unfortunate, because Season 1 was a clear improvement over its source material. Season 2 was universally considered worse.
Kare Kano is great. I started reading the manga when I was reading a whole bunch of shoujo romance mangas but I stopped reading because of school. I didn’t know there was an anime until I saw a clip on twitter and I searched it up on UA-cam and quickly watched it all. I love this anime so much. It has so many great moments and visually, like you said in the video, I can’t get it off my mind.
I remember watching that after reading the manga, it was still funny but felt drawn out in a lot of places given it was based off a 4-koma style, I feel like if the episodes were shorter it would've been paced better
@@psychicflora and tbh I think he's wrong. Azumanga Daioh's found a nice relaxing pace, imho keeping a 4koma rhythm wouldn't have worked like it did with Nichijou. Also Yotsuba is another kind of manga. I can understand he is worried, but let's be clear, they have adapted AMAZINGLY Yokohama Shopping Log. If they managed to do that, Yotsuba isn't absolutely impossible to adapt. Of course they must do it in the right way, not a blind "let's make exactly the manga but animated"
This anime was so influential in my teenage years but I never knew why it ended like it did. It's really good to know what happened. I remember I tried reading the manga but never actually got to finish it.
This anime was so good, but there were too many budget issues toward the end where they stopped animating and just using manga still pannels for some parts. I loved the manga though. The characters are so well written.
Birdy the Mighty is really good, also the animation for both adaptations is amazing. I personally recommend the 1996 OVA over Birdy the Mighty Decode if you're going to watch it because they changed the protagonist a bunch in Decode
His and Her Circumstances comes to mind first whenever I think about romance anime and I purchased the DVD box set years ago... So good 😊 I haven't read the manga, but now I'm kinda curious after watching this YT vid
@@CulturedCrusader its top moment is portrayed in such an amazing way that frankly it makes me think whoever calls Anno a mediocre or overestimated director is just trying to be mean for the sake of it
Kare Kano was an amazing anime until it wasn’t. I liked most of the episodes but it fell apart at the end. It seemed like a completely different show. I would love to see it have an update.
Love that there still rich discussions about this anime. It’s lowkey been one of my favorites for over 20 years. My mind was blown when I bought that first ADV dvd volume when I was in middle school 😊
You sound like Chris Patton. EDIT: Wait, are you Chris Patton? EDIT: Probably not, but the voice is uncanny. You sound like you just kidnapped Alphonse Elric.
I liked the anime but felt like the arcs of the manga not adapted to anime is a level above what was adapted. I give the anime+manga 8.4/10. The introspective style Ano uses in the anime help elevate the story as a whole especially when the backstory Arima is revealed. I do like the first 18 episodes and the manga chapters after that. I watched episode 19 onwards and was not a fan of it.
It took me a minute to find out what you meant when you said you're a Manegachari fan so I could go and watch that anime, yes I had wiped that scene from my mind but still, try to work on your pronunciation... Since you asked after I wrote my comment (in my timeline) I'll just edit it in, Kare Kano is one of the best romance anime in history and it's best left the way it is, the outro music is a classic that I've had in my playlist for over a decade now.
While I agreed the anime could've been better, it always holds a special place in my heart, because it was the first anime I liked. Most animes I was exposed to was all action, fighting, and stuff that was masculine. So when I found Kare Kano a romantic comedy, I was interested in anime.
It's true. I hated the manga. It had potential but it was ruined by the author herself. The romance in the manga with the supporting characters were disturbing. A high school student underage Maho had a boyfriend who was 28 years old dentist. Hideaki Asaba the best friend of the main characters who help take care of the children had a romance interest with their daughter Sakura Arima. The 16 year age as well as the uncle/father figure to their children was downright gross. Even the family dynamic was ML was just unrealistic. To be honest the manga just self imploded.
I watched a ton of this when a lot of episodes were gifted to me by one of the English voice actors back in 1999/2000, fell in love with it. Then in Otakon 2000, I watched basically the marathon of it in one of the theaters, absolutely bawling at the later episodes where the tan surfer looking kid showed flashbacks of how he was bullied for being fat, and said bully ended up falling for him romantically. I was a moody 16 year old.
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Code Geass review when?
Idk. Whenever I feel like rewatching it I guess.
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Another anime adaptation that was apparently disliked by the original mangaka was the 2001 Fruits Basket anime. She didn't like a lot of changes made such as turning Shigure into more of a comic relief character. She was more involved in the 2019 anime.
Yeah that why the 2001 most of it was comedy thank god for the 2019
Tbh....the original Fruits Basket had the right idea. I loved and read all the manga and I couldn't even finish the new series. It was just so over dramatic that it was hard to engage with.
@@abbaddabba6100 yeah that new anime was based on the complete manga storyline so in the 2001 anime the last few episodes got it mixed up plus it focus on more comedy than the serious stuff and when I read the manga after I finished watch the 2001 I was surprise of those that it didn’t add in the 2001 and I begin to understand why the creator didn’t like how the 2001 anime was handle but the good thing about the 2001 anime was the OST that was huge impact
I've rewatched the 2001 FB anime multiple times but couldn't even slog my way through the 2019 version, it was so soulless, boring, and forgettable.
Then there was the big plot point that I think might have tipped over the mangaka. Akito's gender reveal. The 2001 anime just outright made him a dude when in reality, Akito's masculine look was to assert authority and respect from the Sohma family. This has more or less the trope of women dressing or passing off as dudes to be taken seriously in whatever field or situation they're put in. By making Akito a guy, that shuts down some of the trauma that she has that made her into she is now.
The answer is already out there,
Yamaga (prior CEO of Gainax) is a liar you shouldn't trust.
Anno caught up with the manga so the last couple episode deviated until the final episode which was released the week of that chapter,
time wasn't on there side so hence redraws the manga, this all came out in the Kare Kano Bluray Interviews which I had someone translate 2 years ago on Rikki's Buy me a coffee page.
They couldnt finish the play because it was not written Kare Kano was a monthly manga it was ages away from an ending.
There's also no evidence outside Yamaga the author hated the work her own interview on the matter doesn't give that impression.
Huh, thank you. I like being called out for believing things at face value. Edit : Looking into it now
Yamaga?
Who the hell is Yamaga?
@@whateverwhatever4476 yamaga is the CEO & co-founder of Gainax, the studio that made the KareKano anime.
@@nesir8 Yeah I trust Yamaga as far as I can throw him and I’m not any good at Judo.
16:39 As a girl, I think the reason why you see a lot girls going out with old, smelly adults in shoujo and media is because authors are appealing and kinda taking advantage of the common girls' hopes for validation. Teens may think that by acting grown up or by being treated as an adult by an actual adult, will give them the love and respect they seek.
Another thing is that kids tend to confuse admiration for love, so I think they are also appealing to the trope of kids having crushes for role models because it may be a type of "love" that teens have experienced before.
I think people often forgets that not so long ago, teens going out with adults was a common ocurrence and not frown upon, specially in certain countries, such as Japan. Most parents would find big age gaps normal, specially if the dude had money and prestige
@@CamilaLopez-bx7fqFrowning upon larger age gaps is very much a modern phenomenon. Western culture up until the turn of the 20th century generally saw 14+ as a valid age for courtship. A Bar Mitzfah/Bat Mitzfah was a Jewish ceremony celebrating the age of adulthood...at 13.
I don't purport to know what is truly right or wrong, I'm far too old and generally only interested in men older than me, but the idea of these ages being too young is very new, historically speaking. Morality is not totally objective and changes with the passing of many generations.
It's interesting that KareKano got flack back in the day for its more experimental animation style. Yet Bocchi the Rock does stuff like that too. And that series is almost universally praised, partly because of its more unique animation style.
More unique styling is accepted nowadays. I remember an anime a few decades back which was very unique and visually striking (something red leaves?? Idk) but got so little recognition at the time of its release that the director was apologizing and I think shaved his head in shame.
things r a bit different now. Tho artsy anime still doesn’t have the same broad appeal, so it’s more of a niche interest.
*house of 5 leaves
Japan likes making everything look exactly the same and boring. Applies more to just styles too.
@@ma.2089 So what your saying is…if Kare Kano came out now it might have been more well received right out of the gate? This is making me hope for a remake even more.
@@natalimoinamedia as a commodity? I wonder where they learned that from.
The paper puppet style episode looks like it took so much work, is such a deliberate, artistic achievement, and it’s just so much fun, that to refer to it in a derogatory is absolutely fking insane to me.
i can agree with you.
I loved this anime it's still my fav with how they displayed art it was different than what I had watched
It is a crime against art
I want to express how much I love the paper puppet style, it's so fun to work with too.... but it is much easier and less work to make then full animations, not to discredit it, It is always amazing to see different art styles and different mediums.
Kare kano is one of my favorite animes. I like the manga just fine, but I wish the anime had continued.
Maybe it'll get a remake one day.
I frankly hope someone just picks it up where it left off a la season 2. I cannot imagine anyone looking at Anno’s ambitious adaptation of the first couple of arcs and wanting to try to reboot all of that
Kare kano was a good one! I enjoyed the manga and watched bits of the anime
I hope so too, but in the 2025 time line. It will be more fun to see Yukino also beeing a social media queen.
The thought that she wants followers would add to her charakter beeing the center of attention and admaration😂
This! I honestly really loved the anime. And I really enjoyed the stylistic switch ups. I also liked it when Anno did it in Evangelion as well.
WOW I FOUND IT! I was on an anime site 2yrs ago and was going through a romance list in alphabetical order to randomly choose something to watch. THIS was the anime i came across and literally loved it. I stopped watching because i got recruited for the Police Force. I forget about it/couldn't remember the name. But what a surprise that this vid randomly popped up in my feed today😂. Thank you! Im going to watch this again right now
Few recognize that all of the work is fantastic. Few have read the whole manga to realize it's mid. Few make the effort not to spread misinformation on the anime. Thank you.
"When I entrusted the adaptation to them, I knew that it would not be *my* KareKano...I gave them carte blanche, being careful not to make any comments. And in the end, a lot of people could see my story...I am very happy about that"
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I read the whole manga and boy, it hasn't aged well. Even if we consider the times and disregard this, it becomes a complete soap opera by the end.
Calling a manga about recovering from severe child abuse mid is interesting. But I get it, because some other parts don't hold up. I thought the way the central theme was handled made up for the parts that fell flat.
@@Midorikonokami Just because a work delved into complicated topics doesn't necessarily make it great. I'd probably rate this manga higher if it solely upheld its profound exploration of various romances instead. Imo, Arima's troubles are romanticized, and his healing is rushed (and probably couldn't have been done without proper therapy).
@@Midorikonokami yeah that sounds like a kneejerk reaction. you are blind to the manga's faults just because it exploits serious subject matter. i like the anime and manga a lot but that only helped me realize how flawed it really was, even back in the day. the resolution of arima's arc was grossly unsatisfying. its just another case of tragic backstory stretched along for the sake of maintaining suspense, treated exactly as a soap opera or cheap TV drama. the required due diligence of the author to research and explore what truly happens in these cases of child abuse simply aren't there.
@@lamhamzzzzzz You've expressed this better than I did. Exactly, Arima's trauma is treated as a soap opera, and the story ends with him still being painfully reliant on Yukino, which was his problem in the first place. There's an implication that since they're married and with kids, his dependency somehow gets a pass now.
And don't get me started on how his biological father is treated leagues better than his biological mother by the cast and the narrative because he 'just' abandoned him with a person who never wanted him either rather than physically abused him.
Or how Arima's r**e of Yukino (resulting in a sudden pregnancy on top of that) is dismissed with a slap on the wrist because uwu poor thing already hates himself so much, and she decided to have the baby anyway, so it's seemingly a-ok. Or how it's Yukino who's described to have challenges as a mother due to her innate perfectionism, but her severely traumatized husband is a flawless father somehow outside of not spending a lot of time with the family.
Thanks for the deep dive into what happened! While I did love Kare Kano when I was younger, it definitely had its issues. That quote about them wanting to emphasize the comedy over the romance does ring true to me, but I understand your point that it didn't necessarily take away from the development of Yuki and Arima's relationship. I do often wonder how Kare Kano would look if it got the Fruits Basket reboot treatment, and to your point, I believe it would definitely end up with a more serious presentation considering how dark it gets later on in the manga.
I think a FB/Rose of Versailles treatment may be precisely what KareKano would need. Some aspects would work pretty well today.
Fruits Basket 2001 is what comes to mind when I hear anime that manga author didn't like and disallowed continuation. Its quite infamous. Director and author clashed over everything. Audiences loved it but she hated the anime. That's why it didn't get a second season despite its popularity. She allowed the reboot to happen when it was promised to have an entirely different team, studio, and cast.
8:10 "the porygon episode" Hey now dont be throwing the little polygonal buddy under the bus for the mess PIKACHU made
Nah, it's the fault of the programmer guy from the second half of the episode who created these seizure-inducing missiles. Although the scene where Pikachu destroys one of the missiles is particularly infamous, the flashes actually start appearing earlier and they are NOT caused by Pikachu
Pikachu sending someone to their grave with a bullet.
Also Pikachu: *How could Porygon do such a thing!?"
tf is he supposed to call it? the pikachu episode? pikachu is in every episode. porygon is only in that one, and has in fact been essentially banned from appearing in the anime outside of brief cameo shots since the episode aired nearly 30 years ago. it's pretty much universally known as "the porygon episode" for good reason.
@dalegribble420 could call it the cyberspace episode
FUN FACT: Yukito Kishiro hated the anime of of Gunnm/Battle Angel Alita so much that he sold the adaptation rights to James Cameron... JUST to kill it. And THAT is why we have the awesome live action movie.
Little did he know, James Cameron was a big fan, so turned around and did the IP justice, I'm sure to Yukito's unexpected delight.
Yukito Kishiro after a long break restarted a new series and retcon the ending with the Battle Angel Alita: Last Order series and also created a prequel/sequel series with the Mars Chronicles series.
@@USMC49er I know. I've been collecting the series. XD
What did Kishiro think about the live action movie? I wonder if we'll get a sequel.
@@NAzo.idk
I think the anime is very fun and was ahead of its time. It's a more realistic portrayal of teenage relationships than the general plot you'd see for similar series
I really liked Kare Kano though
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I really liked it…
For me, the reason why this issue still exist is because the anime was well-made. I came to like the story because of the anime. It was really funny and gave justice to the depth of the MC and ML's dual characters.
I was really young back then when I have the CD and unlike today, in the past you cannot have the information translated for your convenience. I have no choice but to read the whole thing (manga wasn't finished yet at the time) but I keep coming back to the anime.
I think it's similar to the Fruits Basket 2001 version. I love that. But the author hated it. I cried tons. The music, the voices and the storytelling was really affecting and the young me felt the sadness. I still cry and feel sad whenever I see it. But when I saw the newer version, it just wasn't the same. The magic was gone. The music was not good. They don't really make bg music anymore. I started watching animes like 2007s and I can tell there's so much difference.
15:15 Welcome to the World of Shojo Manga. Most series under that genre can get very dramatic.
Real, a lot of shoujos can get soap opera-y (esp histotrical dramas), but thats what makes it fun, and the same can be said with josei too
shojo is not a genre, is a demographic
Read Kodacha: the FMC is a literal product of incest and Marmalade boy: wtf your parents hooked up don't means you hook up with stepbro
I still recall having seen it when fansubs on VHS (remember either of those things) hit these shores back in 1998 or thereabouts. I was part of a loose clique of fanfic writers who hung out on the FFML and were meeting each other for the first time in person. One of them walked out of the screening room after watching the first four episodes, commenting admiringly that "this show is so perfect we're not going to be able to make fanfic out of it." He turned out to be wrong - as such an assertion will just motivate certain people to prove him wrong - but to do it justice was a real challenge, one that I acknowledged was beyond my abilities, too.
Wow - props for the FFML reference - that takes me back. Also, who did the VHS fansubs - was it the Duffy's (they also did Marmalade Boy, among other titles)? Or Fushigi? Can't remember anymore.
WOW haven't thought about this anime in a whiiile. Never read the manga. I attempted the anime series a while back, but never finished it since I found the main characters to be generally unlikeable. Super interesting hearing about the behind-the-scenes regarding this series though. 🤔
OMG IT'S YOUUU
Two assholes find love, the anime ❤
omg i thought i was the only one who no matter how much i tried to start it just couldn’t finish it
I think the first 12 (or 15? IDK, it’s been so long) episodes are pretty good. But somehow, I couldn’t stand going further than that.
ITS NOT JUST MEEE I couldn't get into it cuz they were so unlikeable 😭
I feel like the problem is that a lot of Japan doesn't like it when something doesn't follow the standard rules of other things. People tend to like comfort and not much changing the formula. You'd be surprised that Japan doesn't like Chainsaw Man's anime because it is "too weird".
Most every day Japanese people don't know what Kare Kano, Cowboy Beebop, FLCL, or any of the other anime that westerners love and hold dear. They are not popular even though you'd be hard pressed to find someone outside of Japan who doesn't think these are masterpieces.
There are of course fans of these shows, but they're fringe. Eva was the first "weird Anime" to really garner general popularity which is why it was such a big deal I think.
I'm positive the author didn't like the tone of the anime for Kare Kano because it's not, well, what you'd expect from a Shojo adaptation. Ironically though, because it's different I'd argue, it's actually special.
Most japanese otaku don't consume anything except recent shows that are in season. If something is older than this year its very niche and they don't care about it.
@@j.2512 that doesn’t make sense. If they watch things that are in season, why would they only care about things from within the past year? Presumably if someone refers to themselves as an otaku, they’ve been watching anime for longer than one season. And then if all otaku are as you say, how would shows older than this year be niche if every otaku has seen it?
Eh, Studio Shaft's Madoka and Monogatari are extremely well-received in Japan, and both of those shows are highly experimental. From what I've seen, people didn't care for Chainsaw Man's adaptation because they felt the tone and directorial style didn't suit the manga all that well, not that such a "weird" style was inherently bad.
I want to know why most Americans don't know about the Lupin The Third series. A series that Cowboy Bebop is inspired from.
@@CantRead1 because most Americans were initially exposed to anime via a small selection curated by television networks. I think you’ll find a lot of Americans DO in fact know what Lupin III is, but because of its age it’s less popular. It wasn’t aired on tv in the states until around the 2000’s, and young people don’t usually care much for older animation or shows. It’s definitely waaay more popular in Japan than I expected it to be. But so is Tom and Jerry… which is still so weird to me. Haha
Hey, someone mentioned Escaflowne. I rarely hear people talk about that one, but I love it.
When I first started watching your video I figured the reason the mangaka didn't like the anime was because she was a wholesome person who didn't want the anime director going off the rails with her story. But then you showed us what 'wholesomeness' she came up with and... yeah. These two seem like they're both on the same track of violence.
I liked both despite them being different. Though I haven't seen the anime in a long time so maybe should rewatch it and then compare to the manga. I finished reading the manga a couple months ago while I have many problems with it I still overall enjoyed it enough to give it an 8/10.
Problems?
Yeah the manga has problematic parts but I quite liked the play and the arc about arima's dad
Same
I fell INLOVE with the anime when i first watched it. Only downside were the recaps who became repetitive, but other than that? Its the best explored highschool romance i probably ever saw. Its sweet, its honest, it isnt melodramatic... Its direction is insane - you see the clear vision from Anno. It certainly has that flair thats just missing in the manga... besides the aforementioned issues you mentioned after the anime. It truly sucks that Annos vision was so heavily restricted,... makes you doubt that the anime industry is really about art, experimentalism and self expression...
Great video mane, enjoyed every second of it.
As a fan of the manga version. While I did appreciate the unique style at some points in the anime adaption.
It felt at times, a bit too random for it to be that style only particular--especially for that one particular episode you were referring to.
However, I do see where your points are in regards to the relationships that happen in the manga later on. Some of them aren't the healthiest for sure by today's standards.
The whole major age gap thing had a been a common/popular trope in shoujo manga/anime back then. It's rarely used now due to things brought into light of how toxic and unhealthy it is in reality (the new take on Sailor Moon is an example of fixing the age gap issue between Usagi and Mamoru of going with the times now).
How relationships were done in Kare Kano, shows the age and era of manga/anime.
As for calling the manga grew to more of a soap opera down the line, I think if I recall the Manga Ka did say that she liked soaps. So if my memory is correct, your comparison is validated likely here.
As a fan who read the manga first, do I like more than the anime?--Yes.
However do I hate the anime?--No.
Do I dislike the anime?--No.
Am I neutral?--Yes
Despite loving the manga more, do I recognize the faults in the manga itself?--yes.
However, do I still love it considering the era it came out in?--Of course!
Kare Kano is one of my favourite manga. I think a lot of past manga did not depict healthy relationships, but for me, it’s ok since it’s fiction.
To set the record straight on Sailor Moon, there was only ever a fucked up age gap between Usagi and Mamoru in the 90s anime and I'm not sure we ever got a reason behind the bizarre change. In the manga and in the reboot, they're only roughly two years apart. Sadly the incest problem is still present and accounted for since an entire antagonist is built from it, and there's of course the concerning physical age gap between Pegasus and Chibiusa, considering her body was still stuck as a wee child during all of that arc. However, please remember when using Usagi/Mamoru as an example for problematic age gaps that it was only in the 90s anime, not in the original and thankfully not the in the reboot.
@@Biippa Was it even in the 90's anime as a whole or was it only in the dub? I kinda assumed the localizers aged Mamaru/ "Darian" up because they couldn't wrap their heads around/ didn't think it would be appropriate to show a 16 year old living alone...
In regards to your comment about how some of the relationships "aren't the healthiest by today's standards" like...isn't that the whole point of the story? The problem isn't the age of the manga, it's the fact that people have this expectation that relationships in the media they consume be these perfectly pure things and not at all problematic, so when a piece of media *does* have problematic or unhealthy relationships, they immediately dismiss it or ridicule it instead of evaluating it critically.
Spoilers below...
Like...the whole point of the story is that Arima is the second or third generation of a cycle of abuse, and the result of his mother raping his father. His whole story arc is about breaking that cycle of abuse, which he's able to do due to his relationship with his adoptive parents as well as his relationship with Yukino, but his relationship with her is also something that he has to come to terms with because while he's struggling with his mental health and his past and in the mean time she's this perfectly normal girl from a perfectly normal family. Her name even translates to "of snow," which you could argue is symbolic of her purity, especially in relation to Arima. This is something that you see weighing heavily on him, and all of this is also why Yukino was worried about telling him she was pregnant and didn't want to tell him at first, because she knew that, especially given the circumstances, he might freak out given his past. You can see this theme in the dynamics of some of the other relationships as well, such as the friends who end up dating whose past involves one being a bully and the other being her victim.
It's not that the series didn't age well, or that the relationships aren't the healthiest by today's standards, it's that the anime adaptation (and the western marketing for the manga, for that matter, considering the fact that Tokyopop labeled it as "romance comedy") insisted on making a comedy out of a manga series whose whole plot is about exploring cycles of abuse and unhealthy relationships.
It's not exactly like the Kare Kano manga (or, if it ever got made, its remake) is unique in being an actually dark series that lures you into a false sense of security with a happy/ funny beginning. That particular trope is a staple of anime and manga. What we're ultimately dealing with is the equivalent of if someone took a manga version of, like...Madoka, and then only adapted the earliest parts of it and then diverged in order to turn it into a completely normal magical girl series.
@@shizucheese As a whole.
The manga was shoujo romance with comedic elements, while the anime pushed closer to romantic comedy territory. This situation reminds me of Fruits Basket, which was directed towards more comedy, but didn't quite go as extreme as Anno did. It felt like Anno wanted to tackle a different genre, but his style conflicted too much. In manga liner notes, the mangaka admits to liking age gaps, but that final one is a bit much.
Dude, shoujo romance goes in some very weird, very melodramatic directions. Just look at Hana Yori Dango, one of the most popular shoujo romances of all time. It is basically a soap opera with all the crazy stuff you can think of. It has also been adapted multiple times in multiple countries. I think you gotta be ready for melodrama if you get into that genre.
Describing Miyasawa as "Top Tier Girl Boss who gatekeep her true personality by gasligthing the world" made me spit the coffe .
Say what you will about Arima's dad, but you can't deny he has good taste in guns.
Fair
@@CulturedCrusader Are you aware of Armed Librarians: The Book of Bantorra? It seems like something you'd enjoy.
Armed librarians? What the,i need context.
Kare Kano was an anime/manga that i followed closely in high school. I remember waiting and checking Borders Bookstore often for when the next volume would release.
I dont think we need a remake of Kare Kano or a continuation, its fine the way it is as an introduction to the story as the anime where you finish the story as the manga. I felt like the anime did follow the manga pretty closely except for the last few episodes where it just went off the hinges.
The first part that the anime covered was basically Yukino's story, very light hearted because she came from a good honest family, probably what many would consider to be an ideal image of a family whereas Arima's story, the second half of the manga was the complete opposite. It really broke into trauma and how it holds you through life. You can mask it as much as you can but eventually the mask comes off either due to fatigue or reintroduction. The fairy tale ending was that their trauma essentially gets resolved and everyone moves forward, that doesn't really happen in real life.
Hearing “A Brief History of Poland” right at the start really caught me off guard for a moment
Oh it was a real oldschool manga! Ten no hate made.
I enjoyed the anime for its surreal visuals and humor Anno gave it, plus the dub is pretty solid and after reading the manga, I found it to be at least engaging. Though I can understand why the author did not like it seeing how different it is from the anime. But if I were to choose, it would be the anime.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this guy created the anime currently known as "go for a punch". The scenes were pretty vivid.
Is that show the ghost stories OVA made before the ghost stories tv anime show made famous by ADV?
@@SlapstickGenius23 no, go for a punch is a meme hoax from 4chan
All animators " Oh flashing lights are giving kids seizures, yeah makes sense I also would get headaches while editing them". Anno " WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T GIVE KIDS SEIZURES? MY ART!!!".
I'll always remember the hilarious scene when Yukino chases Tsubasa all around the school which is on Episode 10. I'm so glad I can rewatch it because Muse Asia uploaded the anime on YT. The OST is so good too!
Never let the Anime change your story.
2005 was the year I first understood what anime was, the internet was so different and I was only 11 so there was this whole process of learning I had to go through. At the same time I found VOD channels that would release anime about two episodes a month (I wish I could remember the names of them because they also released supplimentary content) and Kare Kano was one of the first series I consumed. I cannot describe how deeply it affected me, I watched the first episode over so many times, desperately wanted to dress like Yukino, and named one of my first OCs Yuki. It was also around that time that the internet kept telling me that "Evangelion was the greatest anime" and so I tried watching it when it showed up a year later but feeling like it didn't really connect with me the way shows like Karekano did. I was too young and new to ever realize they were made by the same director.
evangelion is about incel angts, girls wouldn't get it
@@j.2512 Dude I was 12 💀
@@j.2512 this is why I don't like evangelion fanbase even though I like the series.
Stopppp me too, I would rewatch the first episode on UA-cam because I didn’t know how to search up the rest of the episodes on the web lmao (I was 9 or smth) I think I was so obsessed with it because it was the first shoujo anime I saw with a ‘flawed’ character. Because usually in shojo the MC is unassuming aka self-insert, but Yukino was narcissistic, goofy, and boisterous. This video is a great reminder to finally finish the series :,)
@5:20: I'ma be real with ya chief... that little sequence actually looks kinda funny, and makes me want to watch the show. I've seen PLENTY of beautiful animation over the years, but you don't often get bizarre looking nonsense like this. I actually find it kindof amusing, and since it's not how the ENTIRE show looks, I actually see it as a positive. Or at least something that makes it stand out.
KARE KANO MENTIONED
You got a like and a subscriber. Awesome video, well put 👏
The budget thing with Gainax was only half true. They didn't have low budgets at all, they just administered it badly or were too ambitious with it which did affect their earlier stuff. Gunbuster had a pretty decent budget but they were trying to bite more than they could chew until they literally ran out of paint.
@@j.2512 and that too has been debunked xD actually they explained that they chose the grey tones deliberately and the process to shoot in that style was MORE expensive than a normal color episode xD (it was in a interview with Anno, I must check if I can find again where I've read it, in case I'll link)
Glad YT recommended me this amazing review and instantly subscribed for your take on liking the anime better! This was the first romance anime I've ever watched as a teenager and I had no idea it was directed by Anno. Now I know why I like it so much. The music on this show is also GOD tier.
I'm also realizing how much Anno has influenced my own art and my obsession with composition
I really like Anno's work, but I do think his style was a tad too overbearing in his adaption of Kare Kano. He fails to consider the audience of the manga, and treats Kare Kano as his own little experimental pet project to the exclusion of most other people. If Anno is the reason you watched it you will have a great time, but if you came to enjoy the story as a shojou fan, you're worse off.
agree
From what i remember, there was controversy when the manga author goes dark for the sake of being edgy with the male protagonist Arima, having sex and going the pregnant route and stuff XD...you know, the tipical shoujos shenanigans, anyway you can see in the anime Anno was building the "bomb" in the latest eps, but Anno dint like that route because it made the female protagonist kind of "i can fix him" too early... witch is normal psicology, but knowing Anno and how he build the series and Yukino so far, and Evangelion and Nadia and yes it was a guy directing girls stuff... was anticlimatic and honestly ( i read the full manga btw) he was right. That not means the manga was bad , it just was not something for delicate and innocent shonen minds XD jk jk... Anyway, the first 4 ep were an amazing artistic achivement, there is nothing except Utena that came close on how to "make" a shoujo. On the modern ones, maybe Kimi no Todoke come close, but without the punch. The rest eps were great Gainax style with an inconcluse ending. It was a good idea giving Anno the series? hell yeah!!! its was gonna end in disaster? Hell yeah!! But man what a ride for those first 4 episodes.
I remember reading it when I was 11 and getting whiplash (+ boredom in their romance) around the pregnancy reveal then Arima pulling a gun!
Actually remember being so sucked out I just kept thinking "go back to the step sibling romance" because I just wanted romance not drama, in hindsight not surprising story wise. I mean, Maid sama ended up in England with usui related to royalty needing to get saved so maybe my expectations just weren't set yet for romance manga 😂😂😂
@@greyblueme9711I was somewhat older but I was still perplexed af lol. Also Mahou the smartest character in the series forcing herself on some dentist in his late 20s, Yukino having the hots for Arima's SUDDENLY rediscovered father, and the casual ease with which they raise 3 kids in the epilogue 'cause these children are 'as good and smart as their parents'. The stepsiblings' romance was honestly the most normal thing. xD
Actually I think that Tsubasa's healing through a relationship with an emotionally stable person with a secure attachment style like Kazuma was pretty well-done. A part of me wishes we had more of her pov instead of his, but then I remember that she wasn't terribly bright and was also kinda shallow (and remains this way down to the epilogue), so...
@@aimee9478 Wasn't Yukino's "attraction" to Arima's bio dad less attraction to the father himself and more about the fact that his appearance gave her a good idea of what Arima was going to look like when he got older?
@@shizucheese Yeah, we can say so! But some scenes like the one where she clearly seemed to be more enamored with his father than with him at the moment gave me pause. Even Arima found it mildly bothersome. xD Besides, tbh he never became that specific kind of hot.
I rememebr reading Kare Kano and saying "This is one the best shoujo I have ever read!" and one of the points I loved the most is how every character got to be the center of the plot at some point giving them more depth and care to their story, a thing that I saw very rarely in others shoujo mangas.
The dog is the cutest anime dog I have ever seen. I still love Pero Pero ❤️
Also, I have no problem with the art style. It makes it cool, unique, and adds to the charm. I feel more upset it ended without finishing the story.
I personally like both. The anime is what got me into the manga which I then proceeded to purchase and binge. I will say though, you're reference to the manga turning into a soap opera is probably part of the reason why I continued to enjoy it. Can't resist soaps/dramas lol
The author disliked the Kare Kano anime? Dear Lord HOW? It's incredible. For me it sits as the best Shoujo/Josei anime alongside Fruits Basket.
Although I think KareKano has a significantly better soundtrack with a more realistic slant whilst whilst Fruits Basket has a fantasy aspect to it and is almost a melodramatic philosophy lesson in itself with an endlessly optimistic main character.
YESS😅😅
Saw this video pop up in my recommended, great work! Hope the algoritm treats you nicely!
I got into "Kare Kano" after meeting Veronica Taylor (English voice of Yukino) at a convention last year. She signed my "Pokémon" DVD, and as I was complimenting her work on "The World of Narue" and "Emma: A Victorian Romance," she said I might like "His and Her Circumstances." I started watching it on UA-cam a couple of months later, and yeah, the show (and the dub) were really good!
I'd definitely say I liked the first half more than the second half. Not that I didn't enjoy parts of the second half, I could just really tell the people making it were spinning their wheels after running out of manga material to cover, especially with the extra recap. (I did dig some of the artistic choices, though, like how, at one point, one of the paper cut-outs was set on fire.) 😂
As for the mangaka's feelings on the subject, I haven't read the manga yet, but I agree with your takes. I enjoy the show's sense of humor, but the romance between the two leads is what hooked me to begin with. I appreciate that it doesn't take long for Yukino and Arima to get together and how they acknowledge their faults yet inspire each other to live as their true selves. (And how their character development comes from figuring out who their true selves even are.) All this really makes me wonder how serious the manga got in tone for the author to think the anime was too goofy. I heard something similar happened with the original "Fruits Basket" anime, which is why Natsuki Takaya wanted the reboot to be made by a whole new studio, staff, and voice cast. The production of "His and Hers" sounds like a more extreme version of that. 😅
All in all, it's a great show. If you like older anime or rom-coms with a touch of an edge, I recommend it despite its shortcomings. Anno may be riddled with angst, but he has talent. This is from someone who hasn't seen "Evangelion" yet.
Great video. Kare Kano / His and Her circumstances feels super forgotten. I didn't even realize it was an Ano anime but oh boy does a lot make sense now.
I agree to the comparison between KareKano and LoveIsWar. I find the drama and convey of feelings in LoveIsWar is less than how much a teenager (using myself as an example) would feel. KareKano on the other hand is on point at the amount of excitement, happiness, sadness, shocking, and at times mundane, the peacefulness, and the quietness I had back in my high school days. I find myself more relatable to characters in KareKano than LoveIsWar simply on the premises of personality flaws and darkness, and the family dynamics shown in the KareKano is just something I wished I had at home. And the music in KareKano… omg!
The Gainax problem was never money, it was drama within the studio, drama which lead to constant staff rotation, every 5 to 6 years, like clockwork, most staff leave, get replaced in a mass recruitment wave, then that group also leaves roughly after 5 or 6 years, I mean Japanese workers can put up with a lot, but even they have a breaking point. Which hints to the real problem, the people in charge, turns out it was their fault all along, even Anno himself finally had enough and left. We were all completely unaware of at the time (even the Japanese Otaku were unaware and they usually are the first to find out). But we all know that now, especially so given what has come to light in the past decade.
Also, we need to keep in mind that firstly, the anime did catch up to the Manga, at the time the Manga was still very much in it's full run and it was still very good, which is why it was popular and why it got an anime to begin with and like with most anime of that time period, it caught up to the manga, so they had to do a lot of filler until the manga progressed again past the anime; An infamous example being Full Metal Alchemist where instead of waiting, they studio just went ahead and made up their own story and deviated completely off from where the Manga left off and just went off the rails story wise; Considering that Brotherhood covered everything that was covered in the FMA over 20 episodes in just 10 episodes just shows that FMA's production was "let's follow the manga 100% because if we don't we will overtake it," which they did but the parent company told them to finish and it wasn't great... hmmm what else had this issue, oh yeah Game of Thrones...
So, yeah back in the day you either went ahead and deviated and produced something bad, or you make filler episodes... So yeah, considering the norm in the west is to make stuff up when you overtake as opposed to delay tactics, it is plainly obvious which direction has better fan reception.
Also the relationship between Yamaga and author was, well, there wasn't any at the time (again he is a liar), which is implied, we still don't know the truth of the matter, all we have is Anno's side of the story and from what he has said it does seem to be the case, her involvement was very much on the licenced royalties side of things involving the heads of Gainax and the network, so her say didn't count for much, wouldn't be surprised if it was between the company who publishes her work and that of Gainax (this is likely closer to the truth because this is often the case with most things), (in my opinion Yamaga's statement was simply a passive aggressive swipe at Kano, but that's my opinion, again a lot of drama happened at Gainax). The anime's cancellation was 100% a joint decision between Gainax and the network, that being TV Tokyo, namely because of constant complaint letters, bad ratings and the slow pace of the Manga, they had caught up to the Manga and were now starting to make stuff up, while weaving the actual Manga story into the anime where they could, the the fact the anime was doing poorly was simply an excuse to cut it off there.
A lot of the author's dislike is from *after* the anime finished and has been something of a recent thing and I agree that I think it had nothing to do with the art style, but the inclusion of made up anime only story as well in my own opinion. Considering that the soap opera direction which the manga took happened after this anime cancelled, so it possibly may be a result of this anime that the manga took such a drastic turn for the worse, we'll never know, it's a best guess I can make if anything, keep in mind soap operas were all the rage in the 90s so it may be a case she was trying to cash in on that by trying to stand out as sales declined, considering how competitive romcom manga was back then (seriously romcom manga was the isekai of the 90s). All the facts are now out there, I mean Gianax's dirty laundry has been revealed under a spotlight over the past 10 years as various truths have been revealed, especially in wake of the lawsuit. Also Anno has come clean with everything now that there is no risk of anyone coming after him legally or it having any effect on him in doing so by revealing the truth. So speculation can all be tossed aside in this regard. Gainax doesn't exist anymore, Anno now owns everything and Yamaga has zero power, guy is now scraping by doing commissioned work from Square Enix, so he can't threaten Anno, or anyone legally for speaking out. As for the Author, all she has said is that she didn't like the anime and this was years after the anime finished and she never elaborated to the reasons. That's the end of it.
0:19 from which anime is this character? Can someone tell me please?
Birdy from Birdy the Mighty (the 90s OVA version)
@@CulturedCrusader thank you!
@@CulturedCrusaderthat is a CLASSIC series!
He managed to make this unforgetable for me at least.
Incomplete but a masterpiece. :)
I agree with you
I’m just glad my favorite romance manga got an amazing romance anime adaptation; now it’s my favorite romance series. It's getting a light novel adaptation and a movie soon, so I’m so hyped. I don’t know if you have seen BokuYaba, but it is amazing. I hope we get a 3rd season, too.
First thing that comes to mind is Gunslinger Girl. Although the first 2003 anime adaptation by Madhouse was praised by many, but author Yu Aida hated it because they put original episode which he was displeased. So in the 2008 2nd season Gunslinger Girl il-Teatrino, Aida himself did the head writer, this time with new VA’s and Artland as a studio.
Put it simply it was the shittiest adaptation so much so they never followed up with 3rd season to conclude the story
i don't remember much, but i remember it felt like watching an "experimental" project that "might" have influenced some. You could say it had some elements that was ahead of it's time... but then the direction of the story get's _VeRy oDd_ ...
Same thoughts about this anime. It's unforgettable. The over-the-top style really grabbed me and never let go since.
i;m glad someone finally talked about this show. i enjoyed it until the last few episodes....
I do appreciate how it's become acceptable for anime to just take long breaks (sometimes for years) to wait for enough new source material to get written instead of either pumping out filler or going in their own directions as was more common back in the nineties. I was more satisfied with how the manga went than most, but I do agree that there's a lot of whiplash when you've been expecting Arima to have secrets on the same level of Yuki's hiding her true self and what gets revealed is on such another level that the couple loses the balance they had.
Yeah. Although Shojo can be a very misunderstood genre and have really good stories, there's still the Shojo mangas that has a weird obsession with age gap romance. Fruits Basket is one of the best Shojos, but then it feels awkward when you find more about Tohru's parents. I think it’s because the guy is older and mature, so the girls would feel they are taken care of because it’s either daddy issues or a lack of positive male role models.
I know I do. I used to read them to and thought nothing of it until I got older. It took me 10 years after reading Cardcaptor Sakura to realize many of the relationships are so wrong. The ones that were healthy were Toya and Yukito and of course Sakura and Syaoran. Even the girl Chiharu who does have a boyfriend who’s the same age as her was not healthy. The boy is technically a pathological liar who loves messing his friends, and she is abusive towards him.
It’s kinda a reverse with older men obsessing over young idols because they treat them like their daughters. (It’s something I learned) Most of them admit they aren’t in love with the idols, but they want to support their careers and buy merch. And unfortunately, what’s the point of buying photos and not look at them. They do meet ups and hand shakes like a dad who wants to say something proud to their child. Only the crazy ones are the ones that stalk and would cause harm to the idols if they don’t match their fantasies, such as dating someone.
Clamp as a whole is disturbing. Clamp forums were groomers' paradise. It was a nightmare.
its not politically correct to say it but young women generally like older guys. It really is that simple.
@@j.2512 I would say that kids, teenagers and young adults as a whole are more likely to fall in love with people older than them, because they are attracted to perceived stability, intellect and wisdom of them. Boys are as likely to fall in love with their teacher as girls. We crave mentorship and feel special when we are noticed by people who we think of as smart and wise.
It is normal for a kid to have romantic interest in older people, but it is not normal when it is reciprocated. And it is much more likely, statistically speaking, that a man would act upon it when learning of that infatuation (towards both genders). That's where Clamp fails with their "love transcends age and is always pure" BS.
@@Ongaliman You say Clamp as a whole but the most offensive age gap by miles is just the one in CCS with the young girl and teacher. A lot of Clamp manga don't feature them and the ones that do are much less "Disturbing"
Shojo manga also has a weird obsession with gay guys, gaslighting and physical abuse and and other sexual abuse... but thats not only a manga poblem but rather a female author problem - case and point " 50 shades of grey " etc...
Weird to say.
After watching and reading Oshi no Ko I came to understand on author's prospective.
This is my favorite romance anime and I'm so glad it's getting some well deserved love.
Omg someone who actually remembers and gives Kare Kano its flowers. I only watched a few eps back when I was a child on UA-cam because I didn’t know how to search it up on the web lol, but it stuck out to me because of its comedic cast and beautiful storytelling (also the opening is so good and nostalgic.) I remember rewatching the first 2-3 episodes back in covid, aa I should really finish it 🥹
I’m pleasantly surprised to see a video on Kare Kano. I loved Kare Kano. It’s one of my favorite shojo manga. I have most of the manga and the anime box set.
I’ve wanted a reboot to the anime for years. I didn’t exactly hate the anime, but I wish it was more like the manga. I want a reboot ala Fruits Basket style. New style, new director, and overseen by the mangaka. I want it more than anything.
I'm an anime only Kare Kano fan and had been in awe at that anime since I was basically 10 years old (I never watched Eva). I haven't rewatched it in a decade since I still got my fill of it from fond memories of it. Will probably read the manga whenever I get a time for it.
And tbh, I liked the anime. It was a bit too mature in terms of exploring the relationship of the two main leads for my 10 years old brain, but it was so interesting to me that it made me excited on watching next episodes of it. Truth to be told, the last 3 episodes did took me out. And the abrupt ending made my brain concoct a fanfic just to make me think that series has an ending lol.
I'll still believe that the author didn't fully imply on hating the anime adaptation though. Artsy and controversial it may be during its time, I still think the author is still okay with it.. (referring to what @/soundsofsoundsof said)
This is why I love your channel. Talking about anime I never heard of.
Kare Kano was similar to multiple other shoujo manga of the time. It was a period where romance manga needed to have perfect characters marked by tortured pasts. In at least a couple, the main guys have to force themselves on the main so she can "save" them. It's long standing in western romance novels as well. I'm not exactly a fan but it was what was available when I was a teen.
I loved both the manga and the anime. I loved the wall breaks the little popsicle sticks and stuff it was cute and funny. it was kinda deep at times, because they're teens, everything is so high stakes to them. But the manga and anime are different between them but both held a special place in my heart
Thank you for making such a good video about Kare Kano! Your commentary and jokes were all on point. Kare Kano is one of my all time fav animes to rewatch, the other two being Escaflowne and 12 Kingdoms! The holy trinity for me! I hope you make a video about 12 Kingdoms too!
Yup. It's just Anno's style. Love it or hate it, it boils down to taste.
I love this anime, but wasn't able to finish it because I used to just watch it on Free TV, and they didn't air the final episodes. I love the way it was presented and im generally a comedy fan anyways, although the romance aspect for this, I thought, was perfectly handled. Enemies become lovers, become strangers-ish to each other.
I have watched your hole video BECAUSE I LOVED THE ANIME.
I now understand why it looks the way it looks. Personaly I did find the romance done well dispite the comedy. Loved all the colors and what their try to emphesize.
At the end I was just trying to understand where the anime was going and how will main characters develope...and thinking I didn't understand the ending. I nevet read the manga because I wanted the anime.
The manga spoiler part 🤔 yeah it does feel out of place and far fetched and is loosing fokus from the tennager even if parents are the part [or not] of their growing up. BUT the gun 😳 ...
Your video made me think to read the manga. Should I really? Or it is going to turn into a big disapointment?
Maybe I need to let it rest and keep this fond feeling that I have every time I set my eyes on Kare Kano Anime.
Thank for making a Kare Kano related video today. It is nice to see someone knows and remembers it. 🥺
Love the Monogatari Style Edit its amazing
porygon did nothing wrong
I mean, technically, it was all Pikachu's fault
team rocket shot the missiles Pikachu was exercising his right to self defense
You didn’t mention the Goddess of voice acting for Miyadzava. She carried half of the show and sing the magical ending.
I still shed a tear when hear the ending
While I barely started KareKano, I have been recommended to stop watching at episode 18. I'm assuming the ending leaves much to be desired?
Episode 18 basically completes the main story. 19 onward is another arc that stays incomplete unless you read the manga. It also has another the recap episode and a filler episode too. You can still watch them if you want but just know you're setting yourself up to be disappointed.
@@CulturedCrusader good to know, thanks
@@CulturedCrusaderep 18 is where the main couple is paired and the relationship starts
To me episodes like that won't necessarily be underwhelming right off the bat. I call it a win if it manages to make me curious enough that I want to see its source manga/LN/VN if the story is unfinished.
@@imfinishedgrinding638 you're supposed to read the material when the anime finishes
Another example of the author hating the anime adaptation was Gunslinger Girl - to the point that she wanted more creative control in Season 2 - which is unfortunate, because Season 1 was a clear improvement over its source material. Season 2 was universally considered worse.
Didn't know that. I also disliked season 2. I don't remember if I finished it. I finished the manga at least.
Kare Kano is great. I started reading the manga when I was reading a whole bunch of shoujo romance mangas but I stopped reading because of school. I didn’t know there was an anime until I saw a clip on twitter and I searched it up on UA-cam and quickly watched it all. I love this anime so much. It has so many great moments and visually, like you said in the video, I can’t get it off my mind.
There's also azumanga which make the author to not have another anime adaptation, that's why there's no yotsuba anime
whhaaatt!! azumanga is the best!!
I remember watching that after reading the manga, it was still funny but felt drawn out in a lot of places given it was based off a 4-koma style, I feel like if the episodes were shorter it would've been paced better
@@psychicflora and tbh I think he's wrong. Azumanga Daioh's found a nice relaxing pace, imho keeping a 4koma rhythm wouldn't have worked like it did with Nichijou. Also Yotsuba is another kind of manga. I can understand he is worried, but let's be clear, they have adapted AMAZINGLY Yokohama Shopping Log. If they managed to do that, Yotsuba isn't absolutely impossible to adapt. Of course they must do it in the right way, not a blind "let's make exactly the manga but animated"
This anime was so influential in my teenage years but I never knew why it ended like it did. It's really good to know what happened. I remember I tried reading the manga but never actually got to finish it.
Brief history of Poland is peak. Glad the creator is both Catholic and Polish. Deus vult
This anime was so good, but there were too many budget issues toward the end where they stopped animating and just using manga still pannels for some parts. I loved the manga though. The characters are so well written.
If u liked 12 Kingdoms, u should give the Basara manga a try! Basara does have an anime called the Legend of Basara but it only has 13 episodes 😞
12:42 His and Her Circumstantial Evidence?
0:18
What anime is this?
That transformation wqs animated so cleanly!
Birdy the Mighty. I talked about it in one of my OVA videos (volume 3).
Birdy the Mighty is really good, also the animation for both adaptations is amazing. I personally recommend the 1996 OVA over Birdy the Mighty Decode if you're going to watch it because they changed the protagonist a bunch in Decode
I got caught off guard with Brief History of Poland. Well played sir.
Drink every time he calls the anime “kane karo”
I tried
His and Her Circumstances comes to mind first whenever I think about romance anime and I purchased the DVD box set years ago... So good 😊
I haven't read the manga, but now I'm kinda curious after watching this YT vid
I love Annos work, he is a true Artist. BUT this Anime needs a real END!!!😢
You could always end it at episode 18. I've seen many people recommend that since it's a pretty good end point, all things considered.
@@CulturedCrusader I knowwwww but you also know what I mean. 😘
Btw. Have you read the Manga?
@@CulturedCrusader its top moment is portrayed in such an amazing way that frankly it makes me think whoever calls Anno a mediocre or overestimated director is just trying to be mean for the sake of it
shame you have such few subscribers. That cannon jokes was funny as fuck
Kare Kano was an amazing anime until it wasn’t. I liked most of the episodes but it fell apart at the end. It seemed like a completely different show. I would love to see it have an update.
Love that there still rich discussions about this anime. It’s lowkey been one of my favorites for over 20 years. My mind was blown when I bought that first ADV dvd volume when I was in middle school 😊
You sound like Chris Patton.
EDIT: Wait, are you Chris Patton?
EDIT: Probably not, but the voice is uncanny. You sound like you just kidnapped Alphonse Elric.
Considering the amount of remakes recently, I don't doubt the possibility
I liked the anime but felt like the arcs of the manga not adapted to anime is a level above what was adapted. I give the anime+manga 8.4/10. The introspective style Ano uses in the anime help elevate the story as a whole especially when the backstory Arima is revealed. I do like the first 18 episodes and the manga chapters after that. I watched episode 19 onwards and was not a fan of it.
It took me a minute to find out what you meant when you said you're a Manegachari fan so I could go and watch that anime, yes I had wiped that scene from my mind but still, try to work on your pronunciation...
Since you asked after I wrote my comment (in my timeline) I'll just edit it in, Kare Kano is one of the best romance anime in history and it's best left the way it is, the outro music is a classic that I've had in my playlist for over a decade now.
While I agreed the anime could've been better, it always holds a special place in my heart, because it was the first anime I liked. Most animes I was exposed to was all action, fighting, and stuff that was masculine. So when I found Kare Kano a romantic comedy, I was interested in anime.
love your videos and hope you blow up even more bro
It's true. I hated the manga. It had potential but it was ruined by the author herself. The romance in the manga with the supporting characters were disturbing.
A high school student underage Maho had a boyfriend who was 28 years old dentist.
Hideaki Asaba the best friend of the main characters who help take care of the children had a romance interest with their daughter Sakura Arima. The 16 year age as well as the uncle/father figure to their children was downright gross.
Even the family dynamic was ML was just unrealistic.
To be honest the manga just self imploded.
I watched a ton of this when a lot of episodes were gifted to me by one of the English voice actors back in 1999/2000, fell in love with it. Then in Otakon 2000, I watched basically the marathon of it in one of the theaters, absolutely bawling at the later episodes where the tan surfer looking kid showed flashbacks of how he was bullied for being fat, and said bully ended up falling for him romantically. I was a moody 16 year old.