Wizard and Warlock - Ending the Fight
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The "wizard" totally has "meta magic adept feat"
That wouldn't work on fireball tho
Or the wizard has multiclassed
@@halliktom1 meta magic adept gives the player 2 sorcery points and you get 2 meta magic options of your choice from the sorcerer class. The "wizard" can just lie and say he gets sorcery points from meta magic adept
While this is a possibility, the fact is Careful Spell still applies half damage as it only makes it a successful save, unlike Scuplt Spell for the Evocation Wizard, which is no damage on top of Successful save
@@JessicaTheEmSorry. I meant it wouldn't make the spell do no damage. you can use metamagic to make a chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving throw against the spell.but even on a succsess firabal does damage.
The thick plottens
Umm actually it's "the plot thickens"
@@dazzlemasseur umm actually they meant to do that
The thick are plotting
@@CreativityNull Trying to avoid getting clapped as usual.
@@CreativityNullif they're plotting to get thicc I approve.
HE IS A SORCERER THE ROGUE HAS EVASION SO WHEN THE SPELL WAS CAREFULLED HE TOOK NO DAMAGE
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that
That's a double bluff ! No ! A triple Bluff !
Unless the rogue secretly wasn't a rogue, or is too low of a level in rogue to have evasion. Considering how the rogue was shocked at not taking half damage despite 'having' evasion and the wizard saying that he set up a careful spell, then he shouldn't be surprised unless he doesn't have Evasion yet, or he's bluffing about being a Rogue.
This especially applies if he's a high dex one, like Rogues commonly are. It prob wouldn't be hard to pass the saving throw anyways if he has high dex like I assume.
He's a rogue/warlock multiclass so he doesn't have evasion.
@@hirolivingstonstanbery3545so you know for a fact he's low level? He only took two levels in warlock.
Betcha the hat lets him use that ability once a day and he's actually a bard.
Actor bard, acts like a wizard for his magic to work (?)
Said it before and I'll say it again: Bard with cool hat.
@@rikospostmodernlife He's just a lore bard.
Plot twist. He's actually a sorcerer, but he thinks he's a wizard. That's why he messes things up, but the magic still works. He's not lying, he's just unaware.
He would be lying unintentionally
I did this as a character once. His "spellbook" was a book of spell scrolls given to him by his mentor. No matter what anyone tried to do to convince him that he was a Sorcerer, not a Wizard, he just assumed they were confused because *he* had a Spellbook. And everyone knows only Wizards use spellbooks.
@@cub_q you can't "lie" unintentionally.
In order to lie you have to know that you aren't telling the truth.
Thinking they are a wizard in this case and presenting themselves as such means that they are just wrong and not lying.
@@edwardhealey591 Agreed. What they were arguing was “unintentional lying” was just “being wrong”.
That sounds like a very fun character to play. You're a dude, playing a dude who thinks he is a different dude.
“I have no secrets,” and “I am a wizard,” are incompatible statements.
I love a Wizard saying "I cast mage armor" like he's cocking a shotgun.
Damn, Evoker coming in hot and ready to shake down
"did he use a potion of maximum power to prove the point ?"
BADAS WISARD. like half of omni man
What makes this even better is he could still be lying because at level 9 (rogue 7 warlock 2) the rogue would have evasion
Little do they know, he is ALSO a sorcerer, red dragon to be specific
Why red. Gold and bronze dragons are also fire element dragons.
@thetrueshadowking because upon slaying a red dragon he used it's blood to make a similacrum of it and forgot to wash his hands causing his blood and the dragons blood to mix in a way most un-fitting of a wizard.
Or it's because red dragons are the most iconic of the dragons in dnd
He could be pure sorcerer assuming they are above or ay level level 9. Evasion exists (the rogue has 2 levels of warlock)
He could just be pure sorcerer and the rogue has evasion
@@thetrueshadowking brass actually, bronze is semi aquatic and lightning breathing
He's just in a silly mood
Sounds like a typical night at my table
I thought the twist was going to be that edge lord didn't take half damage because of evasion.
Plot twist, he is a sorcerer but from the 2024 player handbook who traveled back in time without realising
The warlock/Rogue should have evasion, no? A previous video established that he only had a couple levels in warlock and if the party is high enough for 9th level spells then I would think he would have evasion. I think the "Wizard" just gaslit him.
If they have 7 levels in rogue, they have evasion.
Evasion halves the damage of a failed throw,he automatically failed the throw, but took no damage
@bastionsea2829 No, I think the wizard said he used a sorcery point so that he automatically succeeded. He could have meant failure, though, I suppose.
@@loscreed Edgelord automatically failed by not trying to dodge. Given that he was surprised,he didn't even try
@bastionsea2829 from 5ewiki
Careful Spell. When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell's full force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a number of those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving throw against the spell.
Dragon: "I'm being polite. I'm being very polite right now"
Plot twist, he’s a fiendish warlock and knew the rogue had evasion and 50/50d him taking damage or ‘proving’ he’s an evocation wizard
The biggest inconsistency here is that the wizard actually cares about friendly fire. Something isn't right here.
when someone is so insistent in proving you are wrong
you either go all in to make a point.
or you are going to have them as a problem for a very long time.
He didn't prove his point the rogue likely has evasion
@@erikkesler1739 from what i remember peoples saying
They are low level (i think level 5?) and he is a multiclass warlock rogue.
So they can't have evasion.
Tho yes, if they where it would also work.
@@croissant2434good thing then that the creator has said they are all 9th level. Making Nin-Rogue/Warlock be lv 7/2.
Unfortunately he said it under another comment.
@@croissant2434Kleut69's comment.
@@dustgraystone9448 i stand corrected then
I didn't saw that comment, so thanks for letting le know.
Tiefling warlock eating that fireball for breakfast
A wizard with Metamagic Adept just to mess with him lol😊
Oh shit we getting good
The thing about trust is that it ceases to be trust once evidence is provided/ needed
The wizard hat has a plot hook.
He's still a sorcerer and probably the BBEG
Loving the series bro
Dude I love the little tag still dangling on the wizard hat lmao
All your stuff is awesome, but these are my new favorites, good work man,
Bro forgot he was a Rogue. (Evasion makes it so you avoid all damage on a successful save)
I'm willing to bet hat is the joke, though isn't it possible he doesn't have that yet? He is multiclassed with warlock. And I don't know 5th edition well, but in 3.5 rogues got evasion, but it wasn't till a later level, so his rogue level could be low enough to not have it.
@@zogar8526 it was mentioned previously that Edge Lord has 2 levels in warlock. Wizard was asking questions about level 9 spells, which presumably means that they are going to get them in a couple of levels max. Wizards get 9th level spells on character level 17, and CR for Adult Red Dragon is 17 as well. Since they are having active preparation for the boss fight, it means that they are almost ready power-wise. I would assume, level 13 - 15, if not higher.
If they are all level 13+, Edge Lord will have 2 levels in warlock and 11+ in rogue. Evasion in 5e is level 7 feature, so yes, he should have evasion
@stasluzgin3212 I thought I'd caught them all, but I missed it saying there are only 2 levels in warlock. Considering they normally call him "warlock", I just assumed that was his highest level class. But with only 2 levels, yeah, definitely has enough rogue levels for evasion.
@@stasluzgin3212 is daydreaming about 9th level spells an indicator that you are close to getting them?
@@Cinderblocksally I interpreted it like he was actively thinking of which one to choose.
I described some of the other factors in my other comment, but the main argument is the fact that they are actively preparing for a fight with CR 17+ bbeg. If they are severely underleveled, just preparation and information about dragons won't help. They need to gain experience, but they are not doing other quests, just dragon research. That's why I assumed that they are higher level
This Warlock has a very different appraisal of his relationship with that particular Wizard.
Ok, this reminds me of the fun builds where one class acts like another.... for instance the monastic barbarian or the barbaric monk.
Meanwhile the Barbarian: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!*
Really enjoying this new format.
Was expecting him to say he got the sorcery points from the feat Metamagic Adept
I love this video so much. The community being torn between the characters liying in the most convincing way possible and also actually believing the "wizard" this is such a beautiful dance of beliefs and non-truth shenanigans. Such intelligence should be praised
"Maybe we shouldn't do this."
"Hold on a minute, this whole thing was your idea."
"I cast true polymorph. You are a now a copper coin. Have fun being passed around by grubby little hands for eternity"
Plot twist, he's actually just a multiclass.
8th level total for the party, must be. The rogue has 2 levels in warlock and gets evasion at 7th in rogue meaning he is 6th or lower in rogue however the wizard casts fireball a whole lot implying that they have several spell slots at third or higher meaning just getting to 5th isn’t an option, and they are going to fight an adult dragon which implies they have some level of power which leads me to believe they are on the higher end of the 6th to 8th range and thus they are 8th level
Has nobody thinked that he can be a multiclass?
Sorcerer + Warlock = Sorlock.
Wizard + Bard = Wizard.
He's multiclassing in plain sight and nobody knows...😂
@@Aesthetic_Walrus now that you mentioned it.... Ward
The only fireball you need to fear is if your wizard isnt school of evocation, otherwise let boi cook
Meanwhile the Magic User casts light in your eyes, you fail your save vs spell and you are now blind for 12 turns (120 minutes)
Oh, he cast the mage armor on rougelock
Just waiting for the Dragon to call the Wizard "son."
Plot twist this is when the players are too metagamy for the table
Now that is an encounter I can get behind lmao
I've played a warlock who told everyone he was a sorcerer.
The stock response was don't worry about it too much.
Thou starteth none, there shalt BE none. The true law of adventuring.
In the new PHB Evocation Wizard's Sculpt Spell has been moved up higher than when the Rogue gets evasion
My 3.5 Kobold is a Sorcerer/Wizard multiclass with the Prestige Class Ultimate Magus. He’d definitely pull this kind of shenanigans when people get pedantic about magic when the source literally doesn’t matter when you’re casting the same spells.
He isn't a real wizard, he would have died from 1D4 "do I really have to prove I'm a wizard?" damage.
Plot twist: The secret is he is lying about everything he says
Clearly wizard is multiclassed wizard and sorcerer.
"I cast April Fool's."
DIDNT WATCH, all i could think of, was putting a toy goldfish on the end of that hook 🐟 😂😂😂
Casting fireball while the Marshals are in melee is the only thing that the evocation subclass is used for. (other than magic missile).
I need more of this!
Best conclusion!!! Keep them coming!!
Had a guy who's was an evocation wizard that dude was casting fireball with us in it burning the BBEG and not us😂
As Long as tge power the wizard has being used towards my goals i couldn't Care less what secrets he had
That's unhinged
YES!!!! FINALLY someone points out evocation wizards!!! AHHHHH SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!!
plot twist. it was an illusion spell.
I had a few players in the past 45 years who tended to tell others how to play their character. Unfortunately it never ended in such a nice in-game situation.
He's actually using the Charlatan Prestige Class
he's obviously a wizard
he wears a pointy hat
Well what about him not having a Spell book?
Take him up on the threat. If he dies to 1d4 going outside dmg, he's a wizard.
Does anybody else hear the crackling of the fireball from the start of the video?
Wizards are nerds, sorcerers are gifted, warlocks are cultists
The petty is strong with this one
He's actually an infernal Warlock, and he was lying about you taking no damage. However his charisma is high enough to persuade you that you are only _imagining_ your flesh burning.
Tbf him using one specific fireball combo doesn't necessarily invalidate all past occurrences being weird depending on the specific scenarios
I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM A TABLE WITH THE WIZARD
Okay, I know you're doing this on purpose, but if the rogue warlock is at least 7 levels in rogue they have "evasion" and won't take damage from fireball on a successful save.
If they have 7 levels in rogue, that is all very true.
So, canonically, the dipstix (name of the party) are between 5th and 6th levels and are going up against a dragon.
That would mean the Edgelord wouldn't have Evasion yet...
Which means the Wizard IS a Wizard -- One with Metamagic Adept and the training of the School of Evocation.
The hell does a potion of maximum power do?
Makes your next spell deal max damage instead of rolling dice.
Never distrust the Wizard again, he went to COLLEGE while you had minimum wage at a 9-5
Sorcerer rolls a nat 20 deception. 👌
That is petty and i appreciate that. 😂
Wizard: "Now that we agree that we shouldn't keep secrets and I have shown I wasn't keeping any, mind telling us who your patron is?"
*Paladin and Cleric looking at warlock*
Warlock : "Uhhh...."
my wizards have intentionally tried making sorcerers before (because there was a limited amount of people even capable of becoming magic users, and he wanted to win a war)
Used a potion of maximum power to prove a point? Definitely a wizard
the whole thing was an illusion.
Hahahahaha bro needs that trust bad.
Yo, is this my new favorite show now? 🎉😂😂😂❤
Back in the day metamagic feats were available to all magic casters clerics bards palidins rangers sorcerer and wizards in 3e 3.5e but taken away to be only sorcerer in 5e
I miss it
Two types of dnd players.
One: **never uses the potion of maximum power Because** "there might be a bigger baddie"
Two: **chugs the damn potion to prove a small point to a fellow player**
A maximum power point you might say?!
Hes a clockwork soul sorcerer I would know my sorcerer brothers anywhere
I say he's also a warlock.
To do a power move, you need maximum power 👍🏻
I love this
The gaslighting is thick in this one
2024 sorc careful spell is sculpt spell basically, so this won't as age well lol
He could be a sorcerer in the 2024 rules. Theyre making careful spell work like sculpt spell.
Last time a warlock (me) fought woth a wizard (other party member), the fight ended with one turn of eldritch blast lol
Hmm I did not know if this ability... Good to know
Lmao! This is awesome ❤.
The hat is the Wizard and the guy wearing it is just some low level Apprentice.