Très bonne vidéo en complément des précédentes. Effectivement la chute des Huns est rarement évoquée . Leur histoire se terminant dans les manuels d’histoire au mieux avec la mort d’Attila… au pire avec leur défaite aux champs catalauniques… 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Cette chaine mérite davantage de vues et d'abonnés ! Quand je pense que la Grande Pyramide K2019 de Fehmi a fait plus de 5 miilions de vues il y a de quoi se taper le cul par terre ...
Je pense que cette chaîne est très informatique mais, je ne parle pas français couramment et je voudrais apprendre la langue en regardant votre vidéo donc j'éspere que il y aura un sous titre en anglais.
D'après les dernières recherches des chercheurs scienthéticiens, les Huns viendraient d'une petite région de forme cylindrique et qui s'appelait le Boutquistend !! !!😁😉
3:50 mn. Les Avars, ou Avares étaient une alliance de plusieurs groupes de nomades eurasiens, parfois qualifiés de « turco-mongols » et issus de la confédération des Ruanruan qui menaçait la Chine au III eme siècle. (Wilkipedia)
Hungarian chronicles were already talking about the Hunnic origin of the Hungarians (it can very well happen that they meant the origin of the ruler dinasty), which was deemed as a fairy tale by "modern" historical knowledge emerging from the 19th century. (The Szeklers even have their own myths of origin saying that they are the descendants of the nation of one of Atilla's sons.) Present day genetical examinations tend to justify more and more of those chronicles. At that time, it was not quite fashionable to boast with Hunnic ancestors in Europe...
Is there a link for these genetical examinations please ? I like that topic a lot, but everything I read (including modern hungarian studies) state the exact contrary. For example this recent genetics study : www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321 which point out the differences between the Hun, Avar, and Hungarian migrations ; Or this book about the birth of the link between Huns and Hungarians, created in the medieval times : books.openedition.org/psorbonne/21645?lang=fr
@@enquetedhistoire Thank you for your answer, I am glad that you are so open minded and interested in various topics. I am not an expert of the field, just picking up some information from various present day studies. Careful examination of the problem by several groups of scientists set up by the Hungarian government in the past 10 years have commenced, since it has long been a dispute among both the Hungarian and non Hungarian researchers- seemingly they want to know more of the question. One of the papers I wanted to point out is the exact one you cited here: yes, it tells the difference from the population of Asian Huns, but it says that a branch of Hunnic people definitely have common gens with Hungarian population (it seems that Hunnic meant quite a largely varying group of people...). The other citation I have not met yet, but will definitely consider (je comprends un peu Francais et j'aime le lire, mais je ne peux pas le parler et utiliser sans faute...) Some more citations from the same group (unfortunately, they have not translated much from Hungarian so far) mki.gov.hu/assets/pdf/idegennyelvu_kutatas/The%20genetic%20legacy%20of%20the%20Hunyadi%20descendants.pdf www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1673852722001795?via%3Dihub mki.gov.hu/hu/kutatasok-hu/karpat-medence-archeogenetikajanak-vizsgalata-hu/teljes-genom-vizsgalatokkal-deritettunk-fenyt-a-hunok-avarok-es-honfoglalo-magyarok-szarmazasara-2 (Automatic) translations from the survey...: However, a significant proportion of those who arrived in the Carpathian basin during the Avar age did not carry the heritage of the Avar elite, but can be modeled from Hun and Iranian (Alan) genomes. This allows us to conclude that there is a large overlap between the population of the Avar and Hun eras, and that with the arrival of the Avars in Europe, the previously living peoples were superseded by an elite group newly arriving from ancient Mongolia. The genome composition of the founding Hungarians - who were the elite population that arrived in the Carpathian basin during the time of the conquest - shows the greatest similarity among the present-day populations with the Bashkirs, Siberian and Volga Tatars, and among the ancient populations with the Asian Scythians. The examination of the descent relationships shows that a significant part of the occupying elite can be traced back to common ancestors with our closest language relatives, the Manysiks (Voguls), the Samoyed-speaking Nganasans, Selkups and Yenets, and of these, they were the last to separate from the Manysiks. The highest-resolution genome models suggest that there may indeed have been a "proto-Ugric" population, which was created by mixing the population of the Late Bronze Age Mezhovskaya culture with the ancestors of the Nganasans somewhere in the forest-steppe zone between the Urals and the Altai, who in the Iron Age were a group of Asian Scythians. they could create. In the Iron Age, the ancestors of the Manys and the conquerors separated, and between 643-431 BC, the latter were seriously mixed with the early Sarmatians. This was followed by a second mixing between 217-315 AD with the descendants of the Asian Huns, the predecessors of the European Huns, the date of which corresponds to the period immediately preceding the European Huns. HOWEVER, A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE FOUNDING HUNGARIAN ELITE WAS COMPLETELY LACK OF THE "PROTO UGRIC" HERITAGE, INSTEAD THEY APPEARED TO BE OF HUN OR AVAR DESCENT, WITH VARIOUS DEGREES OF IRANIAN (ALAN) AND LOCAL MIXTURE. (typeset is as in in the original text) My comments: hence, in general most of the population was already the one found there by the Hungarians, but even the Hungarians had some Hunnic relations (tore apart from the Asian Huns), and more importantly, the population found there (Avars) had a characteristic Hunnic and Iranian genetic composition. I hope more can be said in the near future. Cheers and thank you for your great work.
@militaryorchid7937 @militaryorchid7937 thanks for those links, very interesting, this seems in fact very consistent with the other results, as it points out the difference between the ruling or elite class and the main component. This was found in all the nomadic groups. The few leaders inherited a stronger "asiatic" root while the majority shows a large variety of origins. Huge melting empires!
Depuis ma jeunesse on m'a raconté que dans ma région (l'Alsace) il y a des origines huns car une partie de l'armée d'Attila se serait arrêtée et aurait prit femmes dans la vallée rhénane. Bizarre
Là par contre c'est abusé ! 😉 D'ailleurs j'ai déjà entendu la même chose à propos d'un coin en Bretagne. Ça doit être un genre commun de "légende rurale" !
c'est ce que je m'étais déjà dit quand j'avais 17 ans. En tout cas j'ai découvert ta chaine, je vais la fouiller petit à petit car elle semble très intéressante, avec une approche qui me comble et ouvre de nouveaux champs (J'ai fait une Fac d'histoire). merci
Très bonne vidéo en complément des précédentes. Effectivement la chute des Huns est rarement évoquée . Leur histoire se terminant dans les manuels d’histoire au mieux avec la mort d’Attila… au pire avec leur défaite aux champs catalauniques… 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Je découvre cette chaine grâce à la suggestion de youtube, et je ne regrette pas :)
félicitation pour tout ce boulot :)
Cette chaine mérite davantage de vues et d'abonnés ! Quand je pense que la Grande Pyramide K2019 de Fehmi a fait plus de 5 miilions de vues il y a de quoi se taper le cul par terre ...
Super vidéo!!!
Excellent ! Merci beaucoup ✌🙏
j adore la conclusion !!
Belle conclusion !
Peut-être un effet du biais de confirmation mais j'apprécie ces vidéos.
Je pense que cette chaîne est très informatique mais, je ne parle pas français couramment et je voudrais apprendre la langue en regardant votre vidéo donc j'éspere que il y aura un sous titre en anglais.
Je suis très en retard pour les sous titres de cette vidéo ! Je le fais dès que possible 😉
Bon anniversaire l'enquêteur 😊
😅 merci !
D'après les dernières recherches des chercheurs scienthéticiens, les Huns viendraient d'une petite région de forme cylindrique et qui s'appelait le Boutquistend !! !!😁😉
3:50 mn. Les Avars, ou Avares étaient une alliance de plusieurs groupes de nomades eurasiens, parfois qualifiés de « turco-mongols » et issus de la confédération des Ruanruan qui menaçait la Chine au III eme siècle. (Wilkipedia)
Hungarian chronicles were already talking about the Hunnic origin of the Hungarians (it can very well happen that they meant the origin of the ruler dinasty), which was deemed as a fairy tale by "modern" historical knowledge emerging from the 19th century. (The Szeklers even have their own myths of origin saying that they are the descendants of the nation of one of Atilla's sons.) Present day genetical examinations tend to justify more and more of those chronicles. At that time, it was not quite fashionable to boast with Hunnic ancestors in Europe...
Is there a link for these genetical examinations please ? I like that topic a lot, but everything I read (including modern hungarian studies) state the exact contrary. For example this recent genetics study : www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982222007321
which point out the differences between the Hun, Avar, and Hungarian migrations ;
Or this book about the birth of the link between Huns and Hungarians, created in the medieval times : books.openedition.org/psorbonne/21645?lang=fr
@@enquetedhistoire Thank you for your answer, I am glad that you are so open minded and interested in various topics. I am not an expert of the field, just picking up some information from various present day studies. Careful examination of the problem by several groups of scientists set up by the Hungarian government in the past 10 years have commenced, since it has long been a dispute among both the Hungarian and non Hungarian researchers- seemingly they want to know more of the question. One of the papers I wanted to point out is the exact one you cited here: yes, it tells the difference from the population of Asian Huns, but it says that a branch of Hunnic people definitely have common gens with Hungarian population (it seems that Hunnic meant quite a largely varying group of people...). The other citation I have not met yet, but will definitely consider (je comprends un peu Francais et j'aime le lire, mais je ne peux pas le parler et utiliser sans faute...)
Some more citations from the same group (unfortunately, they have not translated much from Hungarian so far)
mki.gov.hu/assets/pdf/idegennyelvu_kutatas/The%20genetic%20legacy%20of%20the%20Hunyadi%20descendants.pdf
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1673852722001795?via%3Dihub
mki.gov.hu/hu/kutatasok-hu/karpat-medence-archeogenetikajanak-vizsgalata-hu/teljes-genom-vizsgalatokkal-deritettunk-fenyt-a-hunok-avarok-es-honfoglalo-magyarok-szarmazasara-2
(Automatic) translations from the survey...:
However, a significant proportion of those who arrived in the Carpathian basin during the Avar age did not carry the heritage of the Avar elite, but can be modeled from Hun and Iranian (Alan) genomes. This allows us to conclude that there is a large overlap between the population of the Avar and Hun eras, and that with the arrival of the Avars in Europe, the previously living peoples were superseded by an elite group newly arriving from ancient Mongolia.
The genome composition of the founding Hungarians - who were the elite population that arrived in the Carpathian basin during the time of the conquest - shows the greatest similarity among the present-day populations with the Bashkirs, Siberian and Volga Tatars, and among the ancient populations with the Asian Scythians. The examination of the descent relationships shows that a significant part of the occupying elite can be traced back to common ancestors with our closest language relatives, the Manysiks (Voguls), the Samoyed-speaking Nganasans, Selkups and Yenets, and of these, they were the last to separate from the Manysiks.
The highest-resolution genome models suggest that there may indeed have been a "proto-Ugric" population, which was created by mixing the population of the Late Bronze Age Mezhovskaya culture with the ancestors of the Nganasans somewhere in the forest-steppe zone between the Urals and the Altai, who in the Iron Age were a group of Asian Scythians. they could create. In the Iron Age, the ancestors of the Manys and the conquerors separated, and between 643-431 BC, the latter were seriously mixed with the early Sarmatians. This was followed by a second mixing between 217-315 AD with the descendants of the Asian Huns, the predecessors of the European Huns, the date of which corresponds to the period immediately preceding the European Huns.
HOWEVER, A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE FOUNDING HUNGARIAN ELITE WAS COMPLETELY LACK OF THE "PROTO UGRIC" HERITAGE, INSTEAD THEY APPEARED TO BE OF HUN OR AVAR DESCENT, WITH VARIOUS DEGREES OF IRANIAN (ALAN) AND LOCAL MIXTURE.
(typeset is as in in the original text)
My comments: hence, in general most of the population was already the one found there by the Hungarians, but even the Hungarians had some Hunnic relations (tore apart from the Asian Huns), and more importantly, the population found there (Avars) had a characteristic Hunnic and Iranian genetic composition. I hope more can be said in the near future. Cheers and thank you for your great work.
@militaryorchid7937 @militaryorchid7937 thanks for those links, very interesting, this seems in fact very consistent with the other results, as it points out the difference between the ruling or elite class and the main component. This was found in all the nomadic groups. The few leaders inherited a stronger "asiatic" root while the majority shows a large variety of origins. Huge melting empires!
on trouve toujours des hunzas turcophone au pakistan cependant le blans designe le sud et le noir pour le nord d'ou mer noir et mer blanche en turquie
Depuis ma jeunesse on m'a raconté que dans ma région (l'Alsace) il y a des origines huns car une partie de l'armée d'Attila se serait arrêtée et aurait prit femmes dans la vallée rhénane. Bizarre
Non c'est possible, les Huns sont bien passés dans la région. Simplement après 1500 ans les traces génétiques sont plus que minimes !
on prétend que les pommettes hautes et les yeux plissés de certains issus de vieilles familles du coin viendraient de là ;)
Là par contre c'est abusé ! 😉
D'ailleurs j'ai déjà entendu la même chose à propos d'un coin en Bretagne. Ça doit être un genre commun de "légende rurale" !
c'est ce que je m'étais déjà dit quand j'avais 17 ans.
En tout cas j'ai découvert ta chaine, je vais la fouiller petit à petit car elle semble très intéressante, avec une approche qui me comble et ouvre de nouveaux champs (J'ai fait une Fac d'histoire).
merci