Can't wait to try this with my arturia hammond b3 vst plugin. I feel the overdriving tube amplifier effect VSTs really is hard to get right for vintage and warm enough sounds. Watching and hearing real B3s into Marshalls stacks à la Jon Lord vs people setting up B3 VSTs + effect is a prime example. Also using already owned quality guitar pedals is better than buying things that you're not sure gonna kick as much ass.
@atomicvinylreviews3420 It definitely felt like I unlocked something, and it felt great, but very honestly, I've kind of forgotten about a bit. I also bought the UAD Waterfal B3 because I happened to get a lot demos of the new native run plugins of theirs, and instantly thought that they slayed all the competition of overdriven b3 sounds. I'm also mostly a guitarist, but still have left the amp off for a very long period since I've had kittens and puppies in the house. Actually, it might have been very much about that
Reamping is the way to go...Keyboards, soft synths, and using guitar pedals as effect send. Then re-record with cool preamps and a nice mic. Recording moving air OTB.
Cool, thank for the vid. I have a bass and amp on order so plan on trying running some recorded synth parts out through the bass amp and use a fuzz pedal and tube compressor with a slight attack time for a little punch and use a sure sm57 to mic the speaker and see if I can get that low basey distorto-synth Deadsy sound going. Am hoping it livens things up since my drums are canned as well.
I blew the solid-state power amp of my Behringer KX1200 one time. I was going from headphone out into a tube amp. It might've been into the tube amp effects loop. I was experimenting with getting cassette 3-head tape delay to one speaker. The Behringer hit the dirt within seconds of outputing it to the tube amp. I know electronics and confirmed the power amp components fried.
that's why I'd advocate a bass amp should be used instead of a guitar amp. They're built more robustly.. A guitar amp can't handle the low end a keyboard / synth can produce. but a bass amp is designed for low end so np.
Glad i bumped into this vid. I do some similar stuff. For examples i may take digital sampled drum breaks and tun them a guitar amp or even the old yamaha analogue 4 track tape recorder and process it with the very basic eq. Even old analogue desks . I love the lo fi, beef and grit you can add to sounds. Clinically clean is not me. Subscribe man. Great stuff ;-)
Do you have any thoughts about running keyboard through bass amp? I play a lot of key bass (Yamaha Montage). Wondering if I should purchase a bass amp (as bass sounds so nice coming out of it) vs Keyboard amp. Is this a viable approach if the bass amp has a good built in EQ to balance highs and miss, or is there too much loss and a keyboard amp better perhaps with bass amp in a separate line?
But if you're using the keys primarily as bass, then a bass amp is probably a better tool for the job. Running two amps at the same time is usually more trouble than it's worth. (Unless you have a lotta time for a thorough soundcheck)
if you haven't access to a keyboard amp then yes use a bass amp.. Be sure to get the mix right.. if you're only playing mid range notes (middle C) and higher then a guitar amp wuld be fine.. but going lower down the keyboard / synth would likely blow the guitar amp speaker or even damage the amplifier power amp itself.. Yet a bass guitar amp / cab would be fine but the high notes may sound a bit muddy.
play a keyboard through a bass amp if you don't have a keyboard amp.. A guitar amp can't handle the low end a keyboard / synth can do. You'll likely blow the speaker of a guitar amp.. when playing the low notes.. I've a 4x10 bass cab with matching head.. I bet a keyboard would sound great through that.
Hey cool video...Got a question: can I plug my moog little phatty into my hughes and kettner powered guitar amp? ...I am planning to keep the volumes very conservative but I know the phatty has serious volume output, don't want to damage anyhting....thanks!
Depends on the amp; some stuff is fine by itself (especially Mesa), but most of the time I'll wet/dry mix the signals in post, sometimes with a hipass on the dirty track and a lowpass on the clean.
buy 2 x 30 watt bass combo amps cheaply.and go stereo... (if you haven't a keyboard amp).. The lows on a keyboard / synth would blow a guitar amp speaker.. I know that because I played a bass guitar through a guitar amp and it blew the speaker even at low volumes. . A synth / keyboard will have similar low end to a bass guitar.
+Mike Bibby the nosey little beast we can't let go of. Cool vid I use that one on bass and keys in the preamp circuit when I want to drive and degrade the digital outputs. Cool vid.
yeah, that's a love/hate pedal. the worst tone I ever achieved was when I plugged my pedal board into a PA main as experiment. it wasn't terrible until I turned that thing on.
Do you work much with notch filters? nothing Fancy just for fidelity. I take my rougher DODs and other 90's and eightys stuff and chop them with a 120hz spike and a 60 hz harmonic removal. takes the hiss off and then just bring back as desired, sooo much cooler than any VST I've found... well for that sort of thing.
Had this idea today and came across your video. Love the sound that you can get through an amp. But i was more amazed on how you routed your vst synth out? I only have an amp and an audio interface, how can I route my vst's out and back in?
This is the best video of UA-cam
I plug my synths into a pignose and that really brings the sound to life. Try it you'll like it!
A pignose drastically improves the clarity
Exactly what I've been wondering about doing... Thanks so much for sharing your experience.
This is one hell of a rabbit whole
It's a massive, deep and beautiful rabbit hole. I love and hate it. :D
Why did I read this as wabbit rhole
It’s a FIRE RABBIT HOLE
Can't wait to try this with my arturia hammond b3 vst plugin. I feel the overdriving tube amplifier effect VSTs really is hard to get right for vintage and warm enough sounds. Watching and hearing real B3s into Marshalls stacks à la Jon Lord vs people setting up B3 VSTs + effect is a prime example. Also using already owned quality guitar pedals is better than buying things that you're not sure gonna kick as much ass.
Yes! How did it go?
I had the same idea ages ago too. I finally got around to trying it out today ... The results were excellent !
@atomicvinylreviews3420 It definitely felt like I unlocked something, and it felt great, but very honestly, I've kind of forgotten about a bit. I also bought the UAD Waterfal B3 because I happened to get a lot demos of the new native run plugins of theirs, and instantly thought that they slayed all the competition of overdriven b3 sounds. I'm also mostly a guitarist, but still have left the amp off for a very long period since I've had kittens and puppies in the house. Actually, it might have been very much about that
Reamping is the way to go...Keyboards, soft synths, and using guitar pedals as effect send. Then re-record with cool preamps and a nice mic. Recording moving air OTB.
OTB? Off-Track Betting?
@@SadMonsterPartyGuess we'll never know.
Outside the box (PC) ....PSH!
Cool, thank for the vid. I have a bass and amp on order so plan on trying running some recorded synth parts out through the bass amp and use a fuzz pedal and tube compressor with a slight attack time for a little punch and use a sure sm57 to mic the speaker and see if I can get that low basey distorto-synth Deadsy sound going. Am hoping it livens things up since my drums are canned as well.
Nice!
I blew the solid-state power amp of my Behringer KX1200 one time. I was going from headphone out into a tube amp. It might've been into the tube amp effects loop. I was experimenting with getting cassette 3-head tape delay to one speaker. The Behringer hit the dirt within seconds of outputing it to the tube amp. I know electronics and confirmed the power amp components fried.
that's why I'd advocate a bass amp should be used instead of a guitar amp. They're built more robustly.. A guitar amp can't handle the low end a keyboard / synth can produce. but a bass amp is designed for low end so np.
Glad i bumped into this vid. I do some similar stuff. For examples i may take digital sampled drum breaks and tun them a guitar amp or even the old yamaha analogue 4 track tape recorder and process it with the very basic eq. Even old analogue desks . I love the lo fi, beef and grit you can add to sounds. Clinically clean is not me. Subscribe man. Great stuff ;-)
the drum and low end from a keyboard / synth would blow a guitar speaker.. A bass amp could handle it though
Do you have any thoughts about running keyboard through bass amp? I play a lot of key bass (Yamaha Montage). Wondering if I should purchase a bass amp (as bass sounds so nice coming out of it) vs Keyboard amp. Is this a viable approach if the bass amp has a good built in EQ to balance highs and miss, or is there too much loss and a keyboard amp better perhaps with bass amp in a separate line?
That just depends on what you want to amplify; lots of things sound great through bass amps by themselves, but can conflict with other bass in a mix
But if you're using the keys primarily as bass, then a bass amp is probably a better tool for the job. Running two amps at the same time is usually more trouble than it's worth. (Unless you have a lotta time for a thorough soundcheck)
Mike Bibby : I decided to purchase this (hope the link passes through correctly) www.zzounds.com/item--PEVTTKO
if you haven't access to a keyboard amp then yes use a bass amp.. Be sure to get the mix right.. if you're only playing mid range notes (middle C) and higher then a guitar amp wuld be fine.. but going lower down the keyboard / synth would likely blow the guitar amp speaker or even damage the amplifier power amp itself.. Yet a bass guitar amp / cab would be fine but the high notes may sound a bit muddy.
Bass amp will make the bass sound badass, but the top end will suffer. Keyboard amp will give a pretty even response
righteous! thank you
Sold all your hardware? 😢
Sadly yeah...
do try 10 inch bass gtr amps
I have! Different speaker sizes & cabinets definitely make a difference.
FUKK YEAA ! Earing differents preamp with synth would be greeaaat !
play a keyboard through a bass amp if you don't have a keyboard amp.. A guitar amp can't handle the low end a keyboard / synth can do. You'll likely blow the speaker of a guitar amp.. when playing the low notes.. I've a 4x10 bass cab with matching head.. I bet a keyboard would sound great through that.
Hey cool video...Got a question: can I plug my moog little phatty into my hughes and kettner powered guitar amp? ...I am planning to keep the volumes very conservative but I know the phatty has serious volume output, don't want to damage anyhting....thanks!
I'd do it.
It is possible to damage something, but pretty unlikely.
I'd mostly be careful of the real low frequency bass.
use a bass amp instead..
Cool thanks!
I don’t have money for speakers yet so i just bought a couple amps from the pawn shop and use them to play music with out headphones.
Sounds goid. I'm thinking of getting another amp just to do this. The only problem is the lows....how do you retain that?
Depends on the amp; some stuff is fine by itself (especially Mesa), but most of the time I'll wet/dry mix the signals in post, sometimes with a hipass on the dirty track and a lowpass on the clean.
Bass amp
buy 2 x 30 watt bass combo amps cheaply.and go stereo... (if you haven't a keyboard amp).. The lows on a keyboard / synth would blow a guitar amp speaker.. I know that because I played a bass guitar through a guitar amp and it blew the speaker even at low volumes. . A synth / keyboard will have similar low end to a bass guitar.
Is that a 90s Fab Tone?
it is! you have a good eye.
+Mike Bibby the nosey little beast we can't let go of. Cool vid I use that one on bass and keys in the preamp circuit when I want to drive and degrade the digital outputs. Cool vid.
My band used that pedal in high school to create a very Justice era Metallica guitar tone. I loved and hated that thing.
yeah, that's a love/hate pedal. the worst tone I ever achieved was when I plugged my pedal board into a PA main as experiment. it wasn't terrible until I turned that thing on.
Do you work much with notch filters? nothing Fancy just for fidelity. I take my rougher DODs and other 90's and eightys stuff and chop them with a 120hz spike and a 60 hz harmonic removal. takes the hiss off and then just bring back as desired, sooo much cooler than any VST I've found... well for that sort of thing.
another mike bibby!!
There's at least 3 of us.
Had this idea today and came across your video. Love the sound that you can get through an amp. But i was more amazed on how you routed your vst synth out? I only have an amp and an audio interface, how can I route my vst's out and back in?
it's going out an aux speaker output
VST out to the interface, line-level speaker or headphone out to the amp.
The I mic the cab and run back into the interface. Be careful of feedback.
it's all fun and games until you blow your speaker on your ac 15
True. I'm always cautious (well, at least at first) about feedback loops, level, and often use hipass filters, so I have yet to damage anything.
Jesus fucking christ.