When i worked for the City of Phoenix water department one of the fittings we used to connect to the water main used a brass on brass design that could only be described as a giant wedding band. If lined up correctly they last longer than the rubber compression fittings. And were more sure fire than solder, as some of the old-timers would claim.
@@thehandymanexperience226 So long as the metals used are soft enough, in this case brass, the metal will deform and create a seal the doesn't corrode over time. But the catch is it has to remain undisturbed. Since they stay buried at the water main, the soil will hold everything still. If in a house, that subtle water hammer from just turning stuff on and off will shake the fitting and weaken the bond. Hence using solder to fuse the metals or a rubber that can take the movement. As an aside, one batch from a manufacturer was apparently to hard and prone to leaking. Usually ended up eating a hole right through the body of the Corp stop (what we called the main shut-off, ball valve style tap). I'm trying not to use our trade names as I know it's like a far off dialect when discussing these things. But those metal on metal connections can and do hold for a really, really long time. But as you proved, once you start monkeying around with the joint it's going to leak. And when it's in the middle of a street... Well, that smelled like money to me! LoL
@@thehandymanexperience226 Oh, I also wanted to add, we used exclusively rubber compression fittings for just about every other connection that wasn't a direct thread that needed Teflon tape. They don't last as long as solder, usually. (don't get the pipe too/glowing hot people...) But for outdoor use they work fine. The reasons why we used them varied. Some say it was so we didn't have to mess around with heat, or add lead that a "Karen" can claim *_made_* her crazy... 😑 But the easy and speed, plus being able to work under positive pressure if we can't shutdown the water main, for us rubber compression made more sense. I have no idea how many shutoff valves for the water meter/city shutoff that I've jumped under full pressure. This time of year, June-August, in Phoenix... Worth it, one hundred and fifty percent!! Winter?? Not so much. But I have crazy stories involving not being able to deny water to a hospital, so we are trying to jump a 2" angle stop on an 85 psi main. It took the weight of three guys to keep that thing in place, while it's a few degrees above freezing. Glad I was the boss that day!!
Just as I was wondering what would happen if something hit the pipe or bumped it, you did it haha. Good video, I've never used propress but you've enlightened me. I'm an old school plumber. Thanks, I enjoy your content.
I still do old school soldering. But I can see instances where ProPress would be a good option, like when you can't fully get the water shut off. My friend is in Maintenance at a hospital, and they use the ProPress there becasue there is Oxygen in a lot of areas they have to repair and open flame is a danger. The cost of the tool is expensive, and the fittings are probably as well.
You know I have come across a few sharkbites that were leaking, bad install, crimp pex issues, only uponor I have seen looks like the ring slid a bit or was not flarred enough. Hmm, now sweat joints. it's all I fix. Pro press is awesome. Fast money marker. For sure, prep is key, and mark the joints, so don't forget one. Yup, I know...
The problem with sharkbites is people don't install them properly, almost all the fails are from not deburring, cleaning, or depth marking. People just shove it on the end of the pipe. Even here he didn't debur the pipe before he used any of the fittings and you need to deburr both inside and outside. I think the big difference is anyone who spends money on a decent tool for it is going to care enough about their work they do it right. That is why you see crimp pex issues more than uponor expansion ones, uponor is more expensive so only someone who really cares about doing a good job is going to use it.
Whats your take away on this. You removed the sealing orings and the darn things dont leak just on the tightness of the crimp. We use them all the time with little to no problems. They are womderful for adaptimg to pex in the crawlspace when soldering is just not an option.
I love the technology and the idea with progress. But like you said, the tool is pretty Expensive. I did go on Amazon about 3 months ago I purchased one of the manual pro press devices. And have not used it yet nor will I Most likely. And I don't sweat pipe. I'll use a compression fitting or a shark bite. Then convert to pex Cuz I do have the expansion tool?
@@thehandymanexperience226 think you are holding pipe wrong when you cut it. Don’t pull towards you hard…leave pipe at front right where it seats..i was doing the same thing you were.
When i worked for the City of Phoenix water department one of the fittings we used to connect to the water main used a brass on brass design that could only be described as a giant wedding band.
If lined up correctly they last longer than the rubber compression fittings. And were more sure fire than solder, as some of the old-timers would claim.
That fitting sounds amazing!!
@@thehandymanexperience226 So long as the metals used are soft enough, in this case brass, the metal will deform and create a seal the doesn't corrode over time.
But the catch is it has to remain undisturbed. Since they stay buried at the water main, the soil will hold everything still.
If in a house, that subtle water hammer from just turning stuff on and off will shake the fitting and weaken the bond. Hence using solder to fuse the metals or a rubber that can take the movement.
As an aside, one batch from a manufacturer was apparently to hard and prone to leaking. Usually ended up eating a hole right through the body of the Corp stop (what we called the main shut-off, ball valve style tap).
I'm trying not to use our trade names as I know it's like a far off dialect when discussing these things.
But those metal on metal connections can and do hold for a really, really long time. But as you proved, once you start monkeying around with the joint it's going to leak. And when it's in the middle of a street... Well, that smelled like money to me! LoL
@@thehandymanexperience226 Oh, I also wanted to add, we used exclusively rubber compression fittings for just about every other connection that wasn't a direct thread that needed Teflon tape.
They don't last as long as solder, usually. (don't get the pipe too/glowing hot people...) But for outdoor use they work fine.
The reasons why we used them varied. Some say it was so we didn't have to mess around with heat, or add lead that a "Karen" can claim *_made_* her crazy... 😑
But the easy and speed, plus being able to work under positive pressure if we can't shutdown the water main, for us rubber compression made more sense.
I have no idea how many shutoff valves for the water meter/city shutoff that I've jumped under full pressure. This time of year, June-August, in Phoenix... Worth it, one hundred and fifty percent!!
Winter?? Not so much. But I have crazy stories involving not being able to deny water to a hospital, so we are trying to jump a 2" angle stop on an 85 psi main. It took the weight of three guys to keep that thing in place, while it's a few degrees above freezing. Glad I was the boss that day!!
Just as I was wondering what would happen if something hit the pipe or bumped it, you did it haha. Good video, I've never used propress but you've enlightened me. I'm an old school plumber. Thanks, I enjoy your content.
Thanks Andy for watching! I appreciate the support!
Great experiment 💧
Thanks!!!
This was a really good test I really thought a couple of them would leak right off the bat just with movement of the pipe.
Yea are crazy tight when they're crimped lol that thing is no joke. And thanks!!!!
Cool experiment. I'll stick with my old school soldering !
Tmac I'm thinking I might test solder joints next I'm not sure 🤔
I still do old school soldering. But I can see instances where ProPress would be a good option, like when you can't fully get the water shut off. My friend is in Maintenance at a hospital, and they use the ProPress there becasue there is Oxygen in a lot of areas they have to repair and open flame is a danger. The cost of the tool is expensive, and the fittings are probably as well.
Yep nothing wrong with soldering still. U know how it is something new comes out and everyone wants to get it lol
You know I have come across a few sharkbites that were leaking, bad install, crimp pex issues, only uponor I have seen looks like the ring slid a bit or was not flarred enough. Hmm, now sweat joints. it's all I fix. Pro press is awesome. Fast money marker. For sure, prep is key, and mark the joints, so don't forget one. Yup, I know...
Yep I always mark my joints but yea I love my propress, it's my baby.
The problem with sharkbites is people don't install them properly, almost all the fails are from not deburring, cleaning, or depth marking. People just shove it on the end of the pipe. Even here he didn't debur the pipe before he used any of the fittings and you need to deburr both inside and outside. I think the big difference is anyone who spends money on a decent tool for it is going to care enough about their work they do it right. That is why you see crimp pex issues more than uponor expansion ones, uponor is more expensive so only someone who really cares about doing a good job is going to use it.
I had blue fin for the win dang
I do love blue fin
Whats your take away on this. You removed the sealing orings and the darn things dont leak just on the tightness of the crimp.
We use them all the time with little to no problems. They are womderful for adaptimg to pex in the crawlspace when soldering is just not an option.
My take away is I love pro press I was just trying to show people that it's not as bad as what people think when done properly.
I love the technology and the idea with progress. But like you said, the tool is pretty Expensive. I did go on Amazon about 3 months ago I purchased one of the manual pro press devices. And have not used it yet nor will I Most likely. And I don't sweat pipe. I'll use a compression fitting or a shark bite. Then convert to pex Cuz I do have the expansion tool?
Yep it's always nice to be versatile! Yep those manual ones are pretty cheap! Thanks for watching!
Play time can be enlightening...
Absolutely! Especially when u can beat on stuff!!
man your m12 cutter is slow? maybe you need to change the cutting wheels? great video!
I was thinking that but I don't think there is no way I dulled it by now
@@thehandymanexperience226 think you are holding pipe wrong when you cut it. Don’t pull towards you hard…leave pipe at front right where it seats..i was doing the same thing you were.