Classic Motorcycle Workshop Vlog 32 - showbike horrors - buyers beware!
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this classic motorcycle workshop vlog we reveal another showbike horror story project we've taken on for a customer and give you an update with a few other projects that are on the go in the workshop.
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thank god the owner of that dogs dinner of a gold star found a honest man to fix it
Wow, that Gold Star really was a "Bits Stuck Allover".....quite a cautionary tale, for people with more money than sense, perhaps
This channel should be mainstream TV.Who the hell wants to watch Eurovision on a Saturday.Cheers and well done.John.
That bike was built out of parts-bin parts. And poorly. The engine numbers were ground off and re-stamped to match the frame. What proves it is the case halves. They don't match so they came from different production batches. Those halves weren't originally from the same engine. They had to break the lip off the aluminum to get them to fit together. The outer numbers where you can see it were restamped, but the inner numbers weren't re stamped so the inner numbers don't match. If I was the buyer, I'd go and get my money back, because that's actually fraud. They sold him a matching numbers bike that isn't a matching numbers bike, it's a fake.
The crankcase halves may or may not be an original matched pair, but the numbers inside mean nothing. 66-1678 and 66-1679 are the casting numbers. They are different because one is for the timing-side case and the other is for the drive-side case.
@@rickmancr What do you mean they "may or may not be an original matched pair" ? They are obviously not a matched pair. The cases were ground/sanded in the front to make them look like they match; the cases don't align on the outer side rear; and the male/female case mating halves don't line up so they had to break the lip off the aluminum.
@@dirkdiggler5164Obviously, I meant that I'm not commenting on whether they are a matched pair or not. What I'm suggesting is that the casting numbers would be different even on a matched pair.
😢he finds everything.
Interesting video as usual, all that glitters is not gold!
Thank you Alex and Dave. Great work. My heart goes out to Mike, that is going to cost a fortune. A trip back to the seller is a must.
Please update us on the eventual outcome,
Names are not needed, just tell us if the owner gets some satisfaction from the seller.
Also please, what the final costs come to. An importamt lesson for us all.
That is just dreadful. That's not just a bit of a bodge here and there but almost everything is unservicable. A deliberate fake and somebody should be exposed as a crook.
Very well spotted and explained.Most of these bokes must have been worn out after 60 plus years and some have been ridden too hard.
Great video, many traps for the inexperienced buyer, which you will never know until you pull it down sadly
Dave it’s so sad to see the results of a bad player that doesn’t care about the welfare of the machine, just a profit at someone else’s expense! Good that it came to you for a proper craftsman’s rebuild!👍
It's a 'Bob Newby' clutch and belt drive. Not just for racing. Beautifully designed and manufactured as well as a pleasure to use. A far superior part than the original for many reasons.
I constantly have bikes like this brought to me by owners who bought without asking someone who knows what they're looking at. I no longer take on the worst of these bikes as the abuse from people who bought a lemon and refuse to accept they made a mistake and don't want to pay to put right the bike.
Surely the dealer will have to make a contribution to all the repairs as they charged perfect bike money for a bike that wasn't perfect, I am sure it will be when you have finished with it. Great and very interesting videos, thank you.
I hope that the customer has deep pockets.
Hello,I have just discovered your channel,this is the third vid I have watched and I am enjoying them very much.Nice in depth explanations and very well presented.
Someone’s polished a turd. I feel very sorry for the owner.
Gold Star great memories of the 1960s
Brys bike reviews or dave in the workshop, this channel keeps on improving, much appreciated.
Great teardown and inspection summary. It is so useful to have these problem areas identified and clearly explained, and all with great cinematography (Alex!)
Fantastic, enjoyed that thank you Dave. Appreciate you all making these videos.
This was probably his dream bike as well. I hope it doesn't sour him on classics all together.
I think I would be asking some serious questions to the seller. Far to often bikes are sold as something they are not and difficult to claim legally. These people are criminals sadly promoted by the ridiculously high prices of these bikes.
When I was a youngster, a friend of the manager stole a speedo and tacho off me.
It later appeared on his
"restored" bike.
These crooks are everywhere.
If I don't know it, I don't pay 18,500 quid for it.
Whatever his "good" reputation.
i have had my A10 since 79 my first big bike ;you would be one i would have no hesitation to work on my bike
Doing your homework is key when buying a secondhand bike, regardless of its age. If you haven’t got the time or the skills, pay an expert to come along and view the bike with you before writing a cheque for £18k. The buyer was naive, the seller should be given the opportunity to put things right and if they refuse I’d raise a case with Citizen Advice and publicly shame the seller, so other people don’t fall for the same scam
£5,000 would be a high price for that box of non matching parts. £18,000 is just ridiculous. I can confidently say that I know very little about Gold Stars, or this period of BSAs in general, but there are so many obvious red flags on that thing, it should ring alarm bells for anyone.
Thank you for sharing this horrible situation.
Very interesting and informative, again poor chap paid all that money, and how much work is required to get the bike up and running,
Indeed. If you're going to buy a classic--- make sure you know that era and that particular marque. And I mean REALLY KNOW what you are doing. I could write a book on the crap dumb stupid stuff I've seen on used motorcycles.
There's a UK classic bike dealer right now. I can see pictures of what they have for sale over the internet. Every Triumph they have for sale has stuff wrong with it. I can tell just by looking at the pictures! Because those are bikes I have a lot of knowledge about. But a person who isn't knowledgeable about those bikes would be buying it like they were blind. They just wouldn't know the difference! If I can see things wrong with the bike just by looking at a picture, Imagine what's lurking inside? Well, this video shows you! I don't mean to put anybody oft to buying a classic, but only buy one if you know a lot about the bike you are buying, or if you've got somebody who can help you buy a good one.
I'm a 2 stroke guy rebuilt a few 4t and my standards are rolls royce compared to the work experience person who made that BSA.
A10 I bought off ebay was worse than this it was ready go bang full engine rebuild half thr parts were off an a7 or just cobbled gearbox rebuilt swing arm bushes brakes the list goes on thankfully I had it rebuilt in time cost a lot but she runs well now I've got her shipshape definitely a keeper good video I sympathise with the owner ps beware of ebay sellers
Magnificent work mate . The project bike is coming together. Cheers mate from Australia 🇦🇺
Funny how we all have different values, I’ve been biking since 1964 and I’m afraid I don’t hanker at all for my old Brit bikes and would never want to use them for my rides now.
I feel very sorry for the owner (Mike) and also for the mangled Gold Star itself.. Luckily Dave will eventually be able to do the bike justice.. I just hope Mike can comfortably afford the repairs that are clearly necessary and the cost doesn't permanently sour the classic motorcycling experience for him.. There are enough unwanted and unwarranted pressures on motorcycling already without dealers cynically flogging us clapped-out and severely bodged Dog's Dinners like this bike..
Dave will make a proper & reliable machine out of the BSA gold star ,Due to there age and many owners most of these old bikes are a crap shoot .
That's a bitter pill to swallow after spending so much on the bike when purchased... I'd be questioning myself if I was the buyer.... I'd rather have a tatty looking bike which was mechanically sound rather than an art piece locked away.
Looking on the bright side, Dave will sort out a pile of problems and make a sound bike. If I had bought that I would be crying.😢
I know those BSA Goldstars aren't cheap but when you pay over 20 thousand dollars for one, you'd hope all the engine work had been done. Mike should contact the dealer that sold it to him and try to get some money back to go towards all the repairs. He can send them a link to this video and say "we need to talk." With an old bike there's no guarantees, but if that dealer is a reputable one, they should refund him some of his money. It'll be an awesome, reliable Goldstar when David is done with it., but that's a lot of work. Curious how much all of that will cost.
What about the sleeve gear keyway in the main shaft. Looks to me to be well chipped
I DREAD to think what that’s gonna cost for the owner to get all those issues sorted. Im widely guessing another £10K on top of his purchase price. I suppose if he bought it from a retailer then because it’s not original engine and frame numbers he probably has a legal right for a full refund although that surely would be very difficult now that the bike has been stripped down and is in several boxes of bits. As far as the warning some here are saying this sad story is giving to any inexperienced buyers; well quite frankly unless a bike comes with full documentation in precise detail outlining exactly what has been done to it, even the most experienced buyer would not be aware of all those internal things.
hm, fair, but a simple compression test would've turned up the non-seating valves and rings that were way out of specification. Those engines make a lot of chatter, so maybe upon starting you couldn't hear knocking and scraping sounds, but if it's bad enough, you could hear it, too. A close visual inspection would've turned up that mis-aligned front fender, and also the botched rear fender bracket. I look for clues like that, very much so. Clues like that are much more telling than they might first appear. I mean, that alone tells you that a cave man put that bike together. Not an artisan.
Because an 18,000 pound motorcycle , everything should be to a very high standard. If it has sloppy workmanship like a mis-aligned fender and overtightened fasteners so much that they dented the metal, for chrissakes, it is signaling quite strongly to the buyer that the bike wasn't assembled with the care befitting a premium machine like that. It's like looking at a house and you see a piece of clothes-line rope holding the back door closed, and a bucket under the sink catching a drip because they didn't take the effort to fix the leak. You'll find 100 other problems that weren't correctly repaired, in that house, if you buy it.
This is a bit of a disgrace for £18k
It’s got to be right? Belt drive ? They wer’nt well built new I remember how quick they broke down.
Looking at the bubba work on the crankcase alone it would appear that these are 2 miss matching halves, not sure how BSA machine crankcases but normal practice would be to machine them as a pair, and these 2 halves are not a pair, so the likelihood of the crank bearings being in line are remote, the mating spigot being broken suggests that that was broken off when the 2 miss matched halves were put together, in any case a new crankcase is required as these 2 will never be any good, relying as they do on the bolts to keep them as a unit, the customer needs to consult Citizens Advice for what action to take against the seller, there is ample evidence that fraud has taken place here, and a well documented report would bring about legal action against the seller. Chris B.
18k for a bitsa....... Some barn find bantams are more complete.
If I had spent this money I would not be a happy man. We he not have any redress with the dealer?
Mmm it looks like a really well camoflaged fake... poor owner...
When you are spending that kind of money on an older machine, if you yourself aren’t an expert on it, then hire one who is to check it out. Even without splitting the engine, they would have found enough clues to sound warning bells about this bike. 14:19
The "dealer" needs to be named and shamed ...£18,000 for that....
Hi guys , this thing looks terrible , confirm for me , I believe goldstar frames shouldn't have the pressed hole under the seat like on the twins . If so maybe a frame with the number altered .
Long time UK subscriber here. Love the videos.
I'm looking for a bit of advice, if you will allow me to pick your collective brains.
After many years away from two wheels, I'm looking to buy a British bike as a pastime.
Due to advancing years and Arthritic hips, I'm looking for something on the smaller, more manageable side.
I'm reasonably mechanically adept, having done most of my own repairs in the past.
I don't want a 'show bike', just something to tinker with and potter round on occasionally.
Also, something where spares are not yet 'unobtanium' would be good.
Please don't mention the dreaded 'Bantam'. Never could stand the bloody things!
Thanks for taking the time to read my ramblings.
Economical for vintage British bikes, relatively light in weight, and good parts availability (wearing parts, anyway), is early 1970's Triumph 500cc twins. They are fun to ride, sound great, handle spectacularly well, look great, and honestly those are some of the nicest shifting transmissions of any bike I've ever ridden new or old, and pretty easy to work on if you know their idiosyncracies.
You'll need the skills to keep the points and timing good, make sure your condensors and coils are working right, ,replace any hardened o-rings in the rocker cover spindles or the shaft o ring seal behind the points, etc, adjust the valves, possibly replace a blown head gasket maybe, replace swing arm bushings, loctite your fasteners on to keep them from rattling off, replace and adjust head race bearings, replace wheel bearings, fork bushings, replace and adjust the clutch plates and primary chain and generally that kind of level of skill and tools is what you'll need --- just to give you a general idea of the level of mechanical knowledge and what kind of work shop space and tools.
The 500s don't carry the weighted price tags of 1960s Bonnevilles or 1950s Tigers, Trophies, and Thunderbirds. You can get all the tires, bushings, valves, springs, shocks, rings, pistons, gaskets, jets, o-rings, cables and everything else you need for them. I'm not sure if anybody offers newly manufactured Amal carburettor duplicates for them or not, so check into how you can get a replacement carb if the slide bore is worn out. Maybe you can put a Mikuni on it, I don't know. If you're not picky about originality, you can get also get aftermarket fenders and tanks, even, with some painting and maybe drilling can look good and fit well. You can also get electronic ignition which is a good upgrade. Lucas I think even still makes OEM switches and headlights and tail lights for them. Also what I like is Triumph didn't screw up the 500s in the early 1970s the same way they did the 650's. The 500s are the same in the 1970s as they were since 1959 except for some minor details like instruments and front brakes and stuff.
Or perhaps a BSA B31? Straightforward, affordable, good parts availability.
BSA C15, great little bikes
BSA B40s are a good little bike.
Someone has a tee shirt of my favourite bike
Beware the pretty face!
Glad the crooks of the old car biz have wormed into old bikes at last. Awful....
Oh, motorcycle fraud has been going on at least since the 1950's. At least in America, it sure has. The favored crime was stealing bikes and re-stamping serial numbers on them and re-selling them. Even some motorcycle dealers in New York were involved in this vracket. I won't name any name, because what would be the point, but I know that one of the Triumph dealers in New York in the 1960s was doing this.
A dude who was a biker in those days told me all about it. It was bad. A bunch of them got busted and got imprisoned at Riker's Island for it. It still goes on. There's still "outlaw" motorcycle club members (some of them) that steal and resell stolen bikes. It's a little harder to do now because of the way they put the serial numbers on stuff (raised numbers) or lasered on. But they can still do it. Or they steal them and part them out and sell the parts. So, LOL, I know restamping on a bike when I see it. This bike is one is one of them. Collector's bikes like this are worth way more bread if it supposedly has the original engine in it.
If I had bought that Gold Star I think I would be going back to the seller to ask for money back - £18k for that is very poor value for money. It's a show- pony, not a go-pony.
He should get in touch with the authorities ,depends if it was a dealer could have a case of false description ,don’t think it would have been a sold as seen deal but it’s a sickner
Poor bloke, 18 grand for a sack of second-rate parts!!!! Not keen on Siamese pipes on the project bike. Twin hi-pipes the way to go!!!
OUCH
It's Such a shame for Mike 😢.. What with him being 🦯🦮 and more money 🤑💰 than BRAINCELLS 🤡