Wave manipulation guide!

[@Mati-zc2ym]

if you count 1,2,3,... 4 minions then you're not gonna be overextending, then it's a fking neeko

[@CoachFloxy]

Had the same exact situation, with the same student, we counted minions and 5th one was Neeko. We cried from laughter.

[@cusrsedstuff8043]

W

[@candy6852]

Would you agree that adc is in charge of deciding wave decisions while support decides on fights? Would be interesting to see a breakdown of responsibilities for botlane

[@CoachFloxy]

That sounds like an awesome idea! I do think that you both can dictate how the tempo of the lane is going to go. You guys (at least by the book) need to be synced so you can take down enemies. I am very aware that we don't live in a perfect world so that is not the case. If you think that your support is doing something wrong (picking bad fights, poorly organizing the wave) you need to communicate that. So I wouldn't separate duties since you guys are in this together.

[@katslash4181]

I think you're missing the point. The objective of wave management is obtaining as many resources as possible, while denying the enemy as much as you can. This includes doing it in a safe way since dying = losing waves.
It doesn't matter who makes the decision as long as it's the right one. The same goes for fights, but in fights your objective is to perform your role as effectively at possible, that depends on champs, the reason why you say supports make decisions in fights is because they either play engage, which needs follow up from teammates, or enchanter, which allows them to lay back, disengage and they have to look at the big picture of how the fight is going, while for example, a marksman, has to hyperfocus on landing as many autos as possible while staying safe from dangerous cds.
Honestly, you should make YOUR own decisions at every part of the game because if you fuck up, you'll learn from it, and if you do it right, you'll get the most out of the resources that are given to you, and also the satisfaction of knowing you did well. Full muting everyone is a good suggestion so people can't drag you into bad plays, not the most effective 100% of the time but you mostly can see what they're trying to go for from the map, and this way you'll improve much more

[@candy6852]

@@CoachFloxy I am only an emerald support as of now. This distribution of tasks just came about as we are playing around our limitations in knowledge and awareness. Basically trusting each other to make the right call and follow through

[@CoachFloxy]

@@katslash4181 I really appreciate you taking the time to write this, makes me so happy!

[@CoachFloxy]

@@candy6852 we are in this together!

[@notlisztening9821]

There is no logic in minion interaction. Every single time two equal waves are meeting each other, my minions focus down one single enemy minion and their minions split their damage over multiple of mine, so my wave survives with 2-3 minions. This always happens, whether I or the other laner stands next to it doesn't matter and I have started to observe this months ago. Literally always, without exception.

[@CoachFloxy]

So many factors might make the wave go one or the other way. Unfortunately, I can't tell you from the head what the case is since I don't have the example in front of me, but you can always shoot me a DM and I can give you explanation of how everything is working.

[@yellowbebrovich6359]

Ur not playing a damn dota chill

[@Dark_HumourYT]

If this isn't maser+ kinda useless information compared to other things

[@CoachFloxy]

@@yellowbebrovich6359 context where?

[@mariokempes9517]

@@Dark_HumourYT how knowing wave management is useless xD

[@DaniDani-zb4wd]

@@Dark_HumourYT??? This is basic knowledge. Even gold and platinum players know that in euw server