I don’t think that Fujitora couldn’t break/cut the strings, I think he was holding back just enough to help hold the Birdcage back while still letting Luffy and the pirates do the bulk of the work. Through the arc Fuji never took any direct action against Doffy, as his intent was for the world to see the shortcomings of the warlord system, and he wanted other pirates to be the ones to take down Doffy so the Marines couldn’t cover it up like they did in Alabasta.
@@GLOCKTOBER it also just seems weird to argue that the strings of the Birdcage would be stronger than the 16 Holy Bullets, when the latter is not only an Awakened technique but also visibly coated on Haki.
the scaling in the vid lowkey makes sense but dawg realistically what is ussop gonna do against dofi😭 all bros gonna do is launch a couple plants at him and proceed to get slammed💀
People need to realize that best villain does not mean strong asf. Take Crocodile for example. He would get one shot by people way weaker than Luffy but is still a fan favorite villain. In my opinion Doffy is one of if not the best villain in One Piece and I'm sure a lot of people agree with this take. He still gets one shot by Ulti and I don't like Ulti at all bro she does not have the aura that Doffy has.
Oda actually explains in the manga SBS that Dofy was called Joker because he was initally planned to be part of Kaido's crew (which is why it fits with the naming)
Doflamingo is done. He served his purpose, and had his arc. Impel Down is just Oda’s way of writing-off a character w/o having them straight up k!lled. Also why would he come out of prison any stronger when it was clearly shown how rusty Mr. 1 was after he was released? Mingo is shackled in sea prism eating jail food, he won’t be getting any powerups moving forward. Only thing we can look forward to is the S-Mingo Seraphim that’s already been confirmed. The only reason Impel Down had a breakout in the first place was bc Luffy got help from Hancock, and was determined to free Ace by any means There’s literally no reason anyone would need to try infiltrating it again. As much as I’d love to see Mingo breakout, there just isn’t any solid reasoning behind it
@@M8V3N187 i dont think his utterly served his purpose as when Oda wants to write of a character from the show he usually kills them, but for doffy to be improsoned in impeldown and the speech he had , there must be some type of forshadowing maybe the black beared pirates break him out of impel down
It's very likely that Doffy and Gecko Moria are gonna come back in Cross Guild. But Doffy, Moria and other characters like Boa, Kuma and Katakuri coming back stronger doesn't retroactively make their previous version stronger(It's the whole Crocodile Pre-Time-skip situation again, where people headcanon explanations of the power creep when the simple answer is that he was just weak af in Alabasta arc and got way stronger in Impel Down)
@@mihailopopovic4759Dude, sometimes the characters don't go all out. Luffy didn't go all out against ulti. He played too much an got caught. Something like that can happen
Power scalling characters in one piece is like trying to rank the grains of sand from hot to cold. It's basically impossible to rank characters on a tier list because it's more of a free for all situation. For example, you have a claim saying that every "wano" lvl straw hat can beat doffy, but then when you rank them individually, here's what happens: - Usopp: doffy can just use parasite strings cuz he doesn't even have haki. - Nami: same thing as usopp though she may be able to snuck some lightning in. - Brook: no haki, he gets turned into a puppet. - Chooper: no haki, again and also he's too slow to even get a hit in monster point. - Franky: general franky may be able to counter the parasite strings but his whole armor is gonna get sliced up like a can of soda. - Robin: now personally, i don't doubt that demonio fleur will crack doffy open. But still, no haki. - The rest: they would probably beat doffy easily. One piece characters have to be ranked by 1v1s, not by "yonko" or "admiral" or even "commander" levels. Edit: if you have any counter arguments, im happy to hear your answers too.
- haki literally has nothing to do with any of the straw hats listed. we see that pre-timeskip Luffy can beat the two giant snake girls that guarded Boa Hancock while they were using haki. Even in wano all of the Tobi Roppo can use haki but the straw hats defeat them - as for everything else I already went over why everyone u listed, besides Usopp and Nami, are way faster than Doffy and wouldn't get caught by his strings. Even then, if Dressrossa G4 can break out of "Parasite" then the rest of the Straw Hats can to.
Excellent video(Good argumentation, editing and little dose of humour). To add to the video, I'm gonna make even clearer how big the power creep is: Gear 2 and 3 don't have official spoken multipliers(the 10x amp is a unreliable french translation and the other cases like Ennies Lobby and Thriller Bark are just other power creep moments where Luffy gets stronger overall). But we can use a minimal amp of 2x to Gear 2(AP and Speed)and 4x to Gear 3(Only AP) with Tekkai/Gum Bazooka scaling(TLDR: Jet Pistol breaks tekkai when Base Bazooka can't and Elephant Gun is also predictably stronger than Jet Bazooka)(The 2x increase would also aply to Zoan forms, Diable Jambe and Asura which are all shown relative to Gear 2) After being blitzed by Luffy, Doffy says that Gear 4 trough armament haki and tensile force becomes "several times stronger" compared to Luffy's previous showings(Which would include Gear 2 and 3) which means that Gear 4 is at least 3x stronger than Gear 3(or a overall 12x AP/Durability boost to Base form) and 3x faster than Gear 2(Or a 6x Speed boost to Base form). Yeah, each time Luffy power creeps Gear 4 in base is at bare minimun a 12 times difference in Attack Potency/Durability and a 6 times difference in combat/reaction speed, meaning the Tobiroppo are unironically around 144x stronger and 36x faster than the G4(that Doffy got blitzed and overpowered) in their BASE(Not including Zoan shenanigans which would make Doffy's execution even quicker)
I think Doflamingo will suffer a powerscaling, specially if Cross Guild is to raid Impel Down and him joins. Its kinda of a Crocodile powerscaling that we will see.
Villianism lies in the character not in Power. For an example Blackbeard is called as a best villian because of his cunning character and tactical brain, not because he has two powerful devil fruits. Those devil fruits makes a big bounty on his head rather than making him a menacing antagonist and it is same with Doffy. He was the best antagonist character after crocodile.
Cracker didn't battle Gear 4 Luffy for 11 hours so them battling for that long isn't relevant. Plus Luffy had Trafigar Law helping him with Doffy vs Luffy having Nami help him. One gave internal organ damage, the other got everyone wet. Ussopp is the joke character. Oda isn't going to kill him off from a Haki infused headbutt from a mythical zoan. Its been this way since Alabasta where he took deadly attacks and lived. A random? Pirate? Bro is literally a fallen heavenly dragon, with all three types of haki. His own pirate crew, who did what Crocodile could not. A former Schibukai. And has awakened his devil fruit. THAT"S a random pirate? Hello? He got out of Akoji (a former Admiral) ice age attack and walked off. He almost killed Smoker who is a vice admiral with haki and logia abilities. 90% of pirates are folding to an Admiral. He's stronger than Cracker. Coc puts him above Cracker. His string power would cut through that armor easily.
1. Cracker had to create biscuit soldiers for eleven hours straight just for Luffy to keep eating them, whereas Doffy only fought G4 for a couple minutes. 2. Doffy repaired his organs from Laws Gamma Knife. 3. Usopp is a Joke character: yeah the same guy who has half an arc dedicated to him leaving the crew and finding himself. The same guy with multiple fights that involve him building up his courage and not be a coward. If Usopp was a joke character Big Mom could probably hit him and it would be played off as a gag. 4. The point of Doffy being a random pirate was to be in contrast to Katakuri. Kat the top commander of BM pirates so "assumedly" he should be able to fight with the other top commanders.(not true) I brought up this point to show that Doffy has no reason to be as powerful as the Yonko commanders. Also, Saint Charlos is also a celetial dragon so... :/ 5. One of Doffys subordinates literally said that Aokiji could have froze Doffy to the core. 6. vice admirals are fodder lol 7. "He's stronger than Cracker" bru bffr
1. It was more than a couple mins. And Luffy wasn't in G4 during those 11 hours. 2. Still had near death injuries which severely handicapped him. 3. Wow, character development. Still the joke. 4. Hmm. None of the Celestials have Coc do they. 5. Could have, yet didn't. 6. Meh. 7. Doffy has CoC and awakening.
@@GLOCKTOBERDoffy didn’t heal himself from the Gamma Knife, I’m not sure why this misconception is still floating around for over a decade. He stitched his organs together, but he blatantly stated they weren’t healed, just stitched back together. His organs weren’t scattered all over the place, but it didn’t stop the internal bleeding caused by Gamma Knife.
the doffy vs gear 4 luffy fight both fighters were exhausted before this, luffy fought multiple people in the tournament and while doffy was boxing law two times, sanji trying to press him, summoning the bird cage on the whole island of dressrosa. you said doffy is equal to cracker or weaker than him do to doffy not being able pierce luffy's haki. i think a healthy not beaten up doffy can do it. like bro cracker is a glass canon, dude isnt durable all because the big mom kids dont ever fight much. but i do agree that katakuri is way stronger than doflaming since kat forced luffy to creating snake man
Basically yeah😂he didnt use any ryou, future sight or any gears (against ulti atleast he did use G3 against page one), he was manhandling them pretty handly in base and he was only about to use G4 to get off her grip, and he was using G4 before for way less, like for destroying a ship or knocking a Number, an Oars level opponent that he could beat with just G3 lol. But using G4 just makes it way easier.
Doflamingo came out of Aokiji's ice (Aokiji's ice ~ Akainu's magma) right after being frozen unlike Jozu and Cracker who were unable to do anything Aokiji protecting a friend > Kidnapping Pudding Doflamingo > Jozu ~ Cracker
Because Aojiki didn't freeze him to the bone, and plus he was just giving doffy a warning, he would have neg diffed him if they fought. So your arguement is just wrong.
@@GLOCKTOBER Well for one I think your scaling is off here. I dont think the progression is that linear, and I don't think the growth for characters like law is that exponential post dressrosa. The only thing I saw him gain post DR is awakening. I also think your logic of saying Kat calling Luffy his "equal" in their fight literally means Luffy was his equal at base is flawed due to the fact that Luffy still had to use snakeman to win. I think Kat was talking "generally" not like getting his proverbial scouter out and counting Luffys douriki. For another I think Doffy could at least take Jack though that aint saying much since jack is absolutely worthless. No I dont think he can take cracker or kat but that doesn't make him a non threat. I agree with what you said about "Commander Level" its a non existant tier but then again almost all tiers in OP are non-existant.
I mean I won’t say he is weak as it is all relative like if you take Luffy from ep 200 and compare him to do flamingo then it’s obvious he wins heck if you compare him to usopp or nami or chopper even in present version it’s obvious he’s far fare stronger I mean could anyone of then single handed my destroy a country I mean without there weapons I don’t think they could even punch a hole in a rock wall not to mention that the tiger guy from sp0 just awakens a devil fruit and was at the very least able to keep up with Luffy a little in Gear 5 and thas impressive not to mention that he is still relevant even in the latest chapter as it showed him in the prison so it’s possible that the author might give him a great power boost by saying that his devil fruit is a mythical one or unlocked haki or some bs as he still hasn’t been killed even though he knows the secret that the world government is hiding which shows that he has a big role to play in the story that’s yet to come
Let him come back and all the Crocodile fangirls will reconsider their fave warlord choice. You like calling him weak when other characters and main antagonists of previous arcs wouldn't even outlast Gear 4 during the Dressrosa battle.And Luffy's stamina handicap is his most detrimental issue.Get him at this state and he's cooked but along his Devil Fruit he's packed with plot armor you see.Don't deny it.Don't deny it when stupid Kaido could have simply ended him the first time they fought.
Doflamigo is not threatening for his own power, he is threatening for his Intelligence and influence. But my estimation of his bounty is 1.5 billion for his influence
I don't think doflamingo is weak. He's just not as strong as the higher fighters, his durability is insane, he was able to endure gear 4 luffy even after being hit with a gamma knife, and he blocked one of luffy's attacks with his awakening, so he's not to weak but not as strong as many others.
Did y’all forget puffy needed gear four to beat him the crew now could beat him yes (well atleast sanji zoro and luffy) but he is not fodder he like said in the video is one of the only people in the verse with concourers haki
The king queen jack naming scheme does hold importance For them For them alone Doffy isn't one of them,kaido literally sees him as weak,why does anyone think that doffy is part of that
That headcanon gained traction bc all of Kaido’s subordinates are obviously named in relation to strength (Hold ‘em, Jack, Queen, King) With Joker being considered a wild card And before anyone says “Well the Joker is rarely used in card games” that’s not entirely true, bc we saw a scene in Wano where a bunch of characters sitting around a table were playing a game & multiple of them had Jokers in their hand, so it must be somewhat prevalent over in Japan
You say that 1v1 matchups are what's important (which i agree with) but then disregard that when saying ussop > doffy. What is he realistically supposed to do against doffy awakening without any arament and no df ability to help. He gets fucked if doffy gets in close range or doffy could just control him.
I never said Usopp was over Doffy I just said he should be close to him. At the same time if Dressrossa G4 can break out of Doffy's strings then Usopp can as well since he is stronger than that. Plus Usopp should be just as fast as him.
1:33 he was also using a country sized devil fruit attack which drained his stamina lol 4:03 when did he say base luffy is equal to him lol all he said was he's not inferior to him anymore And we know base Luffy isn't equal to him since Katakuri presses G4 Luffy still 5:02He doesn't get pressed by her lol He blitzes her in the previous panels and he only said he needed G4 to break out of ultis grip because his arms are bigger And gripping strength isn't the same as normal strength since we see in Luffys and Kats first confrontation Luffy grabs him and Kat can't escape but legit in their fight he folds him 5:39 No shit he calls his crew strong but someone he hasn't seen fight weak lol Dofy is a character who would rather other people fight instead of himself So no shit the fighting drunk would not respect him
Yeah, this dude doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. Attempting to powerscale Usopp to Doflamingo, simply bc Usopp ate a headbutt after sitting on his ass for literally 100+ chapters is laughable lol
- There is no evidence that "Birdcage" is an active ability that takes Doffy's stamina. For all we know it could be a passive ability. Doffy even said that "Birdcage" can last for days if need be. But even then the difference between G4 and Doffy is still too vast. - If Luffy is not inferior to Kat, then what else is he? They have to at least be on the same level since base Luffy fought for over nine hours against Kat, then Kat adapts to Snakeman while fighting him for thirty minutes. - Page One and by extension Ulti can take a G3 punch from post-Udon base Luffy while he is actually trying, which is already stronger than Snakeman. And while in Ulit's grip, Luffy could have used his legs to assault her the whole time or broke out of her grip with G3. - Even Big Mom thinks that Cracker is enough to defeat Doffy or someone stronger than him, so Kaido, his main ally, should know as well.
@@GLOCKTOBER It's been stated multiple times that any devil fruit attack uses stamina on it's user And when he said birdcage can be used for days But he was fighting Luffy and using stamina on other attacks And no if he wasn't using all his stamina he wouldn't be vastly weaker then G4 Luffy since he would b stronger with more stamina Base Luffy didn't fight Kat for 9 hours lol Also Kat made that statement before Luffy unlocked Snakeman Meaning he was saying pre Snakeman Luffy was equal to him Which he wasn't since Kat was pretty much dominating even G4 Luffy up until Snakeman 1:Luffy wasn't trying 2:Page one didn't "take it" he got one punched and couldn't get back up Ok explain to me Why would Luffy need to use a form that can hurt Kaido against ulti? And him needing to would contradict everything we've seen in the story Since someone like Dogstorm could only hurt Kaido with the help of the scabbards But he can also fight Jack equally in base And Jack is someone who is stronger then Ulti by a lot And just because Big mom "THINKS" Cracker could beat beat someone who beat dofy doesn't mean he could And this is what I mentioned in the kaido statement where top tiers underestimate dofy
-Even if the Birdcage does use stamina you cant even scale how much it took from Doflamingo, especially since it's never stated by anyone to be affecting his stamina. In the video I also gave Doffy the benefit of the doubt and said that he was as strong as Cracker and he still wouldn't beat Kat. - We can see that Luffy comes back to fight Katakuri some time before 4 pm and continues to fight him in base until he activates Snakeman at 12 am, the times are shown in the manga. During all these hours Luffy is blocking, dodging and hitting Katakuri better than his previous G4 as I said before. Katakuri even states Luffy has unthinkable potential and then Luffy gets weakened by Flampes dart. -yes Luffy was trying as he literally said that he underestimated them and he has to be more careful in an emperor castle. Base Luffy is stronger than Snakeman then he stacks G3 on top but then Page One is able to get up from that hit moments later with him saying that it only rocked his jaw. -Luffy was in a rush and wanted to get to the roof quickly which is why he wanted to use Gear 4. I'm not saying that he needs to go all out to defeat her but it is a fact that his base, G2, and G3 were not enough to defeat her quickly. Also what do dogstorm and Jack have to do with this the scabbards are stronger than the tobi roppo. - Top tiers underestimating Doffy is complete headcanon and something that is not supported at all. If anything the contrary is true because both Kaido and Big Mom have assessments of how strong Doffy is. Plus all of these characters can use observation haki so even if Doffy has never met directly with the emperors, which he definitely could have, the yonko have underlings that can inform them about his power level. I think its pretty clear when Doffy cant pierce or even move Luffy's with armament haki but Cracker can.
I find it funny how you start this video off by making fun of power scalers for trying to come up with a way to State how strong a fighter is and then you use really stupid logic to do the same thing nami in ussop are not strong enough to take on ulti. And they ran away the whole time and other people kept hitting her until she was weak enough for them to finally finish her off
Enel then Doflamingo are the most overrated characters in combat. Let me tell how people overrate Dofi. 1. He has a very good devil fruit that has an ability similar to the barrier fruit but people say it is weak and Doflamingo's haki is the reason bird cage can't be cut 🤓. Fr, an Admiral couldn't cut it. It is clearly a passif devil fruit ability where where haki has no effect on it. 2. They always say Zoro would have lost the fight have he fought Dofi in Dressrosa. Like think for a sec. Oda literally made Fujitora appear from no where with no reason to stop Zoro from destroying Dofi. Assume Dofi's awakening is stronger, Zoro still has Asura that will make a light work of Dofi. 3. Luffy fought Cracker after Doflamingo and said this is the hardest he has ever fought in his life. Still, people say Doflamingo is stronger or in the same level as cracker. 4. Trebol the mucus man said the 4 officers of the Doflamingo family are all comparable to Dofi in power. Dofi with his conqueror's haki has the edge over them and that's why he is their leader.
Zoro would NOT make light work of Doflamingo lol. Post-Wano Zoro? Yeah almost certainly. but Dressrosa Zoro loses to Doffy mid diff. Zoro’s fight with Fuji lasted a total of 1 pages, so trying to come 2 a conclusion from that is a lost cause. Doflamingo is capable of flight, (albeit artificial) therefore he could control the pace of the entire fight. Zoro wouldn’t be able to engage Doffy unless Doffy chooses to. I also see Zoro struggling with Mingo’s “Black Knight”
@@M8V3N187 You didn't understand. Zoro was going to attack Dofi but Fujitora stepped out and defended him. It is like Oda won't let Zoro take the spotlight and boss fight from Luffy. Now again, tell me where Zoro got any hard fight after the time skip before fighting Kaido. Zoro is the same level from Fishmen Island until he acquired Enma. If u have been attentive during Dressrosa, you would know that Don Chinjao, after seeing Zoro cut Pica, he indicates that Zoro is stronger than Gear 3/2. Luffy with Gear 4 was low-mid diffing Dofi. Zoro would win extreme-diff. Even if not, Asura 3X multiplier will make sure that Zoro wins.
You guys gotta stop comparing Zoro to Luffy. Luffy is a Yonko, Zoro is a Yonko commander. 2 different things. Their strength may have been relative in the past, but that’s not the case anymore. Also a comment from a side character, who hasn’t even kept up with the crew doesn’t really hold weight either. Zoro has had plenty of tough opponents since fishman, and it’s already been stated SH’s get stronger after every battle. Killer, Hody, Hawkins, Pica were all tough fights that made Zoro stronger before he got Enma@@mazinisber4248
I don’t think that Fujitora couldn’t break/cut the strings, I think he was holding back just enough to help hold the Birdcage back while still letting Luffy and the pirates do the bulk of the work. Through the arc Fuji never took any direct action against Doffy, as his intent was for the world to see the shortcomings of the warlord system, and he wanted other pirates to be the ones to take down Doffy so the Marines couldn’t cover it up like they did in Alabasta.
why would Fuji even try to break the cage anyway? with haki
@@GLOCKTOBER it also just seems weird to argue that the strings of the Birdcage would be stronger than the 16 Holy Bullets, when the latter is not only an Awakened technique but also visibly coated on Haki.
@@GLOCKTOBER himofruit
Doffy still one of the greatest characters in the show
He is still one of best written, But he weak AF😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mr_bern_777 at least he’s still one of the best written that’s more important
@@lynxregions6724your mom in my bed is more important ahahhahahahaha
@@mr_bern_777in real life,he only need to move one finger to kill you.
Nice bait goatflamingo slams your bloodline
Cap
Brother, you are a BAIT DOFLAMINGO IS A FRUAD
I'd one tap that 2 dimensional Fodder
Sanji one shots
@@kixer7957sureeee
This is legitimately top 3 best videos on your channel. The scaling, humor, and logic behind everything is flawless. Good work man.
the scaling in the vid lowkey makes sense but dawg realistically what is ussop gonna do against dofi😭 all bros gonna do is launch a couple plants at him and proceed to get slammed💀
The US has failed y'all if this ''lowkey makes sense''. It's the malnutrition & poisoned water.
I view it as "possibilities" even if those possibilities are very low.
God Ussop using God plants 💀💀💀
I love that Dolfy's charisma is what carries him alone, but legit he gets thrashed by so many characters in the long term.
Nice video bro the editing and jokes were funny af gl on your youtube journey
At this point Im surprised bro has not made a video called how strong is ulti?
thats a great Idea!!!!!!
@@GLOCKTOBERoh no i gave you to many ideas💀💀💀
@@GLOCKTOBERoh and have a great new year your content is so good❤❤❤
People need to realize that best villain does not mean strong asf. Take Crocodile for example. He would get one shot by people way weaker than Luffy but is still a fan favorite villain. In my opinion Doffy is one of if not the best villain in One Piece and I'm sure a lot of people agree with this take. He still gets one shot by Ulti and I don't like Ulti at all bro she does not have the aura that Doffy has.
True
Oda actually explains in the manga SBS that Dofy was called Joker because he was initally planned to be part of Kaido's crew (which is why it fits with the naming)
After hearing your evidence I agree but also i refuse to believe that oda would allow usoland to scale to doffy
Cant wait for Doffy to comeback from impel down with advanced conqueres and prove you wrong
Doflamingo is done. He served his purpose, and had his arc.
Impel Down is just Oda’s way of writing-off a character w/o having them straight up k!lled.
Also why would he come out of prison any stronger when it was clearly shown how rusty Mr. 1 was after he was released? Mingo is shackled in sea prism eating jail food, he won’t be getting any powerups moving forward. Only thing we can look forward to is the S-Mingo Seraphim that’s already been confirmed.
The only reason Impel Down had a breakout in the first place was bc Luffy got help from Hancock, and was determined to free Ace by any means
There’s literally no reason anyone would need to try infiltrating it again. As much as I’d love to see Mingo breakout, there just isn’t any solid reasoning behind it
@@M8V3N187 i dont think his utterly served his purpose as when Oda wants to write of a character from the show he usually kills them, but for doffy to be improsoned in impeldown and the speech he had , there must be some type of forshadowing maybe the black beared pirates break him out of impel down
@@M8V3N187he’s obviously gonna come back
It's very likely that Doffy and Gecko Moria are gonna come back in Cross Guild. But Doffy, Moria and other characters like Boa, Kuma and Katakuri coming back stronger doesn't retroactively make their previous version stronger(It's the whole Crocodile Pre-Time-skip situation again, where people headcanon explanations of the power creep when the simple answer is that he was just weak af in Alabasta arc and got way stronger in Impel Down)
@@M8V3N187”why would he come out stronger” blud forgot crocodile exists
wano had too much powercreep. its odas fault.
I agree. Base Luffy being able to fight Kaido? Then when he goes to gear 2, 3 or 4 nothing changes.
@brescottglynn that was my point
@@mihailopopovic4759Dude, sometimes the characters don't go all out. Luffy didn't go all out against ulti. He played too much an got caught. Something like that can happen
The fact we have only seen like 2 moves from awakened string makes me think there is more to it
Can't wait to see the video about why Lucci low diffs Kaido lol.
Power scalling characters in one piece is like trying to rank the grains of sand from hot to cold. It's basically impossible to rank characters on a tier list because it's more of a free for all situation. For example, you have a claim saying that every "wano" lvl straw hat can beat doffy, but then when you rank them individually, here's what happens:
- Usopp: doffy can just use parasite strings cuz he doesn't even have haki.
- Nami: same thing as usopp though she may be able to snuck some lightning in.
- Brook: no haki, he gets turned into a puppet.
- Chooper: no haki, again and also he's too slow to even get a hit in monster point.
- Franky: general franky may be able to counter the parasite strings but his whole armor is gonna get sliced up like a can of soda.
- Robin: now personally, i don't doubt that demonio fleur will crack doffy open. But still, no haki.
- The rest: they would probably beat doffy easily.
One piece characters have to be ranked by 1v1s, not by "yonko" or "admiral" or even "commander" levels.
Edit: if you have any counter arguments, im happy to hear your answers too.
Chopper dodged a light beam from queen
Isn't actually slow
@@vegetacultminorityhunter I mean that chopper is too slow to hit someone with a move in monster point.
@@Conquerorium he hit queen.
But he was off guard, blocked an attack from big Mom (kinda impressive)
- haki literally has nothing to do with any of the straw hats listed. we see that pre-timeskip Luffy can beat the two giant snake girls that guarded Boa Hancock while they were using haki. Even in wano all of the Tobi Roppo can use haki but the straw hats defeat them
- as for everything else I already went over why everyone u listed, besides Usopp and Nami, are way faster than Doffy and wouldn't get caught by his strings. Even then, if Dressrossa G4 can break out of "Parasite" then the rest of the Straw Hats can to.
@@GLOCKTOBERyup
we gotta wait for the comeback
There are much more one piece villains that are weaker then doflamingo then there are villains that are stronger then him
bro who leted u cook 💀
To prove that doffy is weak Bigmom just send tamago and the lion mink(forget his name) to dressrosa to capture ceasar.
Hey shadx great video even tho i do not agree but how strong you think shiki is and who you think in all of history that can beat .
Shiki is definitely one of the strongest in the verse. I have a top 50 video coming out next and you'll get your answer there ;)
@@GLOCKTOBERohh ok ty but when is that vid coming out exactly ?
@@GLOCKTOBER i have shiki top ten all time imu,joy boy/nika,ryuma,xebex,wb,roger,shiki,kong,garp,kaido .
@@Unknown-x4k5x Thursday or fri
@@Unknown-x4k5xno shanks ????? He beats kaido
Excellent video(Good argumentation, editing and little dose of humour). To add to the video, I'm gonna make even clearer how big the power creep is:
Gear 2 and 3 don't have official spoken multipliers(the 10x amp is a unreliable french translation and the other cases like Ennies Lobby and Thriller Bark are just other power creep moments where Luffy gets stronger overall). But we can use a minimal amp of 2x to Gear 2(AP and Speed)and 4x to Gear 3(Only AP) with Tekkai/Gum Bazooka scaling(TLDR: Jet Pistol breaks tekkai when Base Bazooka can't and Elephant Gun is also predictably stronger than Jet Bazooka)(The 2x increase would also aply to Zoan forms, Diable Jambe and Asura which are all shown relative to Gear 2)
After being blitzed by Luffy, Doffy says that Gear 4 trough armament haki and tensile force becomes "several times stronger" compared to Luffy's previous showings(Which would include Gear 2 and 3) which means that Gear 4 is at least 3x stronger than Gear 3(or a overall 12x AP/Durability boost to Base form) and 3x faster than Gear 2(Or a 6x Speed boost to Base form).
Yeah, each time Luffy power creeps Gear 4 in base is at bare minimun a 12 times difference in Attack Potency/Durability and a 6 times difference in combat/reaction speed, meaning the Tobiroppo are unironically around 144x stronger and 36x faster than the G4(that Doffy got blitzed and overpowered) in their BASE(Not including Zoan shenanigans which would make Doffy's execution even quicker)
I think Doflamingo will suffer a powerscaling, specially if Cross Guild is to raid Impel Down and him joins.
Its kinda of a Crocodile powerscaling that we will see.
Villianism lies in the character not in Power. For an example Blackbeard is called as a best villian because of his cunning character and tactical brain, not because he has two powerful devil fruits. Those devil fruits makes a big bounty on his head rather than making him a menacing antagonist and it is same with Doffy. He was the best antagonist character after crocodile.
Cracker didn't battle Gear 4 Luffy for 11 hours so them battling for that long isn't relevant. Plus Luffy had Trafigar Law helping him with Doffy vs Luffy having Nami help him. One gave internal organ damage, the other got everyone wet. Ussopp is the joke character. Oda isn't going to kill him off from a Haki infused headbutt from a mythical zoan. Its been this way since Alabasta where he took deadly attacks and lived. A random? Pirate? Bro is literally a fallen heavenly dragon, with all three types of haki. His own pirate crew, who did what Crocodile could not. A former Schibukai. And has awakened his devil fruit. THAT"S a random pirate? Hello? He got out of Akoji (a former Admiral) ice age attack and walked off. He almost killed Smoker who is a vice admiral with haki and logia abilities. 90% of pirates are folding to an Admiral. He's stronger than Cracker. Coc puts him above Cracker. His string power would cut through that armor easily.
1. Cracker had to create biscuit soldiers for eleven hours straight just for Luffy to keep eating them, whereas Doffy only fought G4 for a couple minutes.
2. Doffy repaired his organs from Laws Gamma Knife.
3. Usopp is a Joke character: yeah the same guy who has half an arc dedicated to him leaving the crew and finding himself. The same guy with multiple fights that involve him building up his courage and not be a coward. If Usopp was a joke character Big Mom could probably hit him and it would be played off as a gag.
4. The point of Doffy being a random pirate was to be in contrast to Katakuri. Kat the top commander of BM pirates so "assumedly" he should be able to fight with the other top commanders.(not true) I brought up this point to show that Doffy has no reason to be as powerful as the Yonko commanders. Also, Saint Charlos is also a celetial dragon so... :/
5. One of Doffys subordinates literally said that Aokiji could have froze Doffy to the core.
6. vice admirals are fodder lol
7. "He's stronger than Cracker" bru bffr
1. It was more than a couple mins. And Luffy wasn't in G4 during those 11 hours.
2. Still had near death injuries which severely handicapped him.
3. Wow, character development. Still the joke.
4. Hmm. None of the Celestials have Coc do they.
5. Could have, yet didn't.
6. Meh.
7. Doffy has CoC and awakening.
Ancient Zoan*
@@GLOCKTOBERDoffy didn’t heal himself from the Gamma Knife, I’m not sure why this misconception is still floating around for over a decade. He stitched his organs together, but he blatantly stated they weren’t healed, just stitched back together. His organs weren’t scattered all over the place, but it didn’t stop the internal bleeding caused by Gamma Knife.
@@ShinigamiRyanCracker midd diffs, tank man is just as tankier, and still has the same power as gear 4.
the doffy vs gear 4 luffy fight both fighters were exhausted before this, luffy fought multiple people in the tournament and while doffy was boxing law two times, sanji trying to press him, summoning the bird cage on the whole island of dressrosa. you said doffy is equal to cracker or weaker than him do to doffy not being able pierce luffy's haki. i think a healthy not beaten up doffy can do it. like bro cracker is a glass canon, dude isnt durable all because the big mom kids dont ever fight much.
but i do agree that katakuri is way stronger than doflaming since kat forced luffy to creating snake man
Holy yap
Where you scale doflamigo AP wise I got him country lvl - continental 💀
Same
@@masonmcfadden4886 he is large city at most
@@nobodynothing-ew5vv how is he only large city
@@Nami-Swan616 he only has the ability to destroy a large city
@@Nami-Swan616 we simply don't have any feats for him above large city level
usopp equal to doffy is insane, what tf he gonna do??????????
usopp has no feats fr
Perhaps Doffy is in between Tobi Roppo and yonko commanders.
Y'all gotta get past the unti shit, Luffy was definitely holding back to save energy for the roof
yeah bro was holding back but was about to go into his strongest form lol
Basically yeah😂he didnt use any ryou, future sight or any gears (against ulti atleast he did use G3 against page one), he was manhandling them pretty handly in base and he was only about to use G4 to get off her grip, and he was using G4 before for way less, like for destroying a ship or knocking a Number, an Oars level opponent that he could beat with just G3 lol.
But using G4 just makes it way easier.
@@GLOCKTOBERGet a grip, why would Luffy go all out against people like Ulti.
Doflamingo came out of Aokiji's ice (Aokiji's ice ~ Akainu's magma) right after being frozen unlike Jozu and Cracker who were unable to do anything
Aokiji protecting a friend > Kidnapping Pudding
Doflamingo > Jozu ~ Cracker
Because Aojiki didn't freeze him to the bone, and plus he was just giving doffy a warning, he would have neg diffed him if they fought. So your arguement is just wrong.
Nah 🧢
dumb
To make long things short: Power creep
If this is ironic then good job. If this isn't ironic may God have mercy on your soul.
I truly don't see what yall see about Doffys power level
@@GLOCKTOBER Well for one I think your scaling is off here. I dont think the progression is that linear, and I don't think the growth for characters like law is that exponential post dressrosa. The only thing I saw him gain post DR is awakening.
I also think your logic of saying Kat calling Luffy his "equal" in their fight literally means Luffy was his equal at base is flawed due to the fact that Luffy still had to use snakeman to win. I think Kat was talking "generally" not like getting his proverbial scouter out and counting Luffys douriki.
For another I think Doffy could at least take Jack though that aint saying much since jack is absolutely worthless.
No I dont think he can take cracker or kat but that doesn't make him a non threat.
I agree with what you said about "Commander Level" its a non existant tier but then again almost all tiers in OP are non-existant.
@@Gnostic88You’re right.
No way usoap is stronger than doflamingo 💀💀💀💀
Bro forgot one piece feats don’t matter like narrative does
I mean I won’t say he is weak as it is all relative like if you take Luffy from ep 200 and compare him to do flamingo then it’s obvious he wins heck if you compare him to usopp or nami or chopper even in present version it’s obvious he’s far fare stronger I mean could anyone of then single handed my destroy a country I mean without there weapons I don’t think they could even punch a hole in a rock wall not to mention that the tiger guy from sp0 just awakens a devil fruit and was at the very least able to keep up with Luffy a little in Gear 5 and thas impressive not to mention that he is still relevant even in the latest chapter as it showed him in the prison so it’s possible that the author might give him a great power boost by saying that his devil fruit is a mythical one or unlocked haki or some bs as he still hasn’t been killed even though he knows the secret that the world government is hiding which shows that he has a big role to play in the story that’s yet to come
Let him come back and all the Crocodile fangirls will reconsider their fave warlord choice. You like calling him weak when other characters and main antagonists of previous arcs wouldn't even outlast Gear 4 during the Dressrosa battle.And Luffy's stamina handicap is his most detrimental issue.Get him at this state and he's cooked but along his Devil Fruit he's packed with plot armor you see.Don't deny it.Don't deny it when stupid Kaido could have simply ended him the first time they fought.
Doflamigo is not threatening for his own power, he is threatening for his Intelligence and influence. But my estimation of his bounty is 1.5 billion for his influence
Not relevant to the vid but ok
I don't think doflamingo is weak. He's just not as strong as the higher fighters, his durability is insane, he was able to endure gear 4 luffy even after being hit with a gamma knife, and he blocked one of luffy's attacks with his awakening, so he's not to weak but not as strong as many others.
His god strings did counter gear 4 luffy bounce man for a good while so i woulden't call him weak by any means
Hordy jones cooks the strawhat crew with steroids
One name kills this argument…. Rob Lucci. The opps get stronger too. His awakened fruit power with practice and mastery is broken.
The transitive property will literally never work, Oda isn't thinking about power scalers (Usopp could never beat Doflamingo)
If we go by the commander thing that means crocodile sanji and queen are in the same level
Sanji demolishes doffy
Commander does not exist
FANALLY!!!!
Did y’all forget puffy needed gear four to beat him the crew now could beat him yes (well atleast sanji zoro and luffy) but he is not fodder he like said in the video is one of the only people in the verse with concourers haki
The king queen jack naming scheme does hold importance
For them
For them alone
Doffy isn't one of them,kaido literally sees him as weak,why does anyone think that doffy is part of that
That headcanon gained traction bc all of Kaido’s subordinates are obviously named in relation to strength (Hold ‘em, Jack, Queen, King) With Joker being considered a wild card
And before anyone says “Well the Joker is rarely used in card games” that’s not entirely true, bc we saw a scene in Wano where a bunch of characters sitting around a table were playing a game & multiple of them had Jokers in their hand, so it must be somewhat prevalent over in Japan
You say that 1v1 matchups are what's important (which i agree with) but then disregard that when saying ussop > doffy. What is he realistically supposed to do against doffy awakening without any arament and no df ability to help. He gets fucked if doffy gets in close range or doffy could just control him.
I never said Usopp was over Doffy I just said he should be close to him. At the same time if Dressrossa G4 can break out of Doffy's strings then Usopp can as well since he is stronger than that. Plus Usopp should be just as fast as him.
You're joking, usopp is too weak.
1:33 he was also using a country sized devil fruit attack which drained his stamina lol
4:03 when did he say base luffy is equal to him lol
all he said was he's not inferior to him anymore
And we know base Luffy isn't equal to him since Katakuri presses G4 Luffy still
5:02He doesn't get pressed by her lol
He blitzes her in the previous panels and he only said he needed G4 to break out of ultis grip because his arms are bigger
And gripping strength isn't the same as normal strength since we see in Luffys and Kats first confrontation Luffy grabs him and Kat can't escape but legit in their fight he folds him
5:39 No shit he calls his crew strong but someone he hasn't seen fight weak lol
Dofy is a character who would rather other people fight instead of himself
So no shit the fighting drunk would not respect him
Yeah, this dude doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.
Attempting to powerscale Usopp to Doflamingo, simply bc Usopp ate a headbutt after sitting on his ass for literally 100+ chapters is laughable lol
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This guy is agenda driven for no reason
- There is no evidence that "Birdcage" is an active ability that takes Doffy's stamina. For all we know it could be a passive ability. Doffy even said that "Birdcage" can last for days if need be. But even then the difference between G4 and Doffy is still too vast.
- If Luffy is not inferior to Kat, then what else is he? They have to at least be on the same level since base Luffy fought for over nine hours against Kat, then Kat adapts to Snakeman while fighting him for thirty minutes.
- Page One and by extension Ulti can take a G3 punch from post-Udon base Luffy while he is actually trying, which is already stronger than Snakeman. And while in Ulit's grip, Luffy could have used his legs to assault her the whole time or broke out of her grip with G3.
- Even Big Mom thinks that Cracker is enough to defeat Doffy or someone stronger than him, so Kaido, his main ally, should know as well.
@@GLOCKTOBER It's been stated multiple times that any devil fruit attack uses stamina on it's user
And when he said birdcage can be used for days
But he was fighting Luffy and using stamina on other attacks
And no if he wasn't using all his stamina he wouldn't be vastly weaker then G4 Luffy since he would b stronger with more stamina
Base Luffy didn't fight Kat for 9 hours lol
Also Kat made that statement before Luffy unlocked Snakeman
Meaning he was saying pre Snakeman Luffy was equal to him
Which he wasn't since Kat was pretty much dominating even G4 Luffy up until Snakeman
1:Luffy wasn't trying
2:Page one didn't "take it" he got one punched and couldn't get back up
Ok explain to me
Why would Luffy need to use a form that can hurt Kaido against ulti?
And him needing to would contradict everything we've seen in the story
Since someone like Dogstorm could only hurt Kaido with the help of the scabbards
But he can also fight Jack equally in base
And Jack is someone who is stronger then Ulti by a lot
And just because Big mom "THINKS" Cracker could beat beat someone who beat dofy doesn't mean he could
And this is what I mentioned in the kaido statement where top tiers underestimate dofy
-Even if the Birdcage does use stamina you cant even scale how much it took from Doflamingo, especially since it's never stated by anyone to be affecting his stamina. In the video I also gave Doffy the benefit of the doubt and said that he was as strong as Cracker and he still wouldn't beat Kat.
- We can see that Luffy comes back to fight Katakuri some time before 4 pm and continues to fight him in base until he activates Snakeman at 12 am, the times are shown in the manga. During all these hours Luffy is blocking, dodging and hitting Katakuri better than his previous G4 as I said before. Katakuri even states Luffy has unthinkable potential and then Luffy gets weakened by Flampes dart.
-yes Luffy was trying as he literally said that he underestimated them and he has to be more careful in an emperor castle. Base Luffy is stronger than Snakeman then he stacks G3 on top but then Page One is able to get up from that hit moments later with him saying that it only rocked his jaw.
-Luffy was in a rush and wanted to get to the roof quickly which is why he wanted to use Gear 4. I'm not saying that he needs to go all out to defeat her but it is a fact that his base, G2, and G3 were not enough to defeat her quickly. Also what do dogstorm and Jack have to do with this the scabbards are stronger than the tobi roppo.
- Top tiers underestimating Doffy is complete headcanon and something that is not supported at all. If anything the contrary is true because both Kaido and Big Mom have assessments of how strong Doffy is. Plus all of these characters can use observation haki so even if Doffy has never met directly with the emperors, which he definitely could have, the yonko have underlings that can inform them about his power level. I think its pretty clear when Doffy cant pierce or even move Luffy's with armament haki but Cracker can.
he isn't really that weak
he's just not on top of the verse
I know Doffy is incomparable comparable to Yonko crew, but wtf is Ussop going to do? 😭
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7:03 Ayo?
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I find it funny how you start this video off by making fun of power scalers for trying to come up with a way to State how strong a fighter is and then you use really stupid logic to do the same thing nami in ussop are not strong enough to take on ulti. And they ran away the whole time and other people kept hitting her until she was weak enough for them to finally finish her off
Luffy sabo beckman admiral lvl
His other video: doffy is easily commander level 😂😂😂😂
Bro one piece power system is like rock paper scissors so your video is wrong
Enel then Doflamingo are the most overrated characters in combat. Let me tell how people overrate Dofi.
1. He has a very good devil fruit that has an ability similar to the barrier fruit but people say it is weak and Doflamingo's haki is the reason bird cage can't be cut 🤓. Fr, an Admiral couldn't cut it. It is clearly a passif devil fruit ability where where haki has no effect on it.
2. They always say Zoro would have lost the fight have he fought Dofi in Dressrosa. Like think for a sec. Oda literally made Fujitora appear from no where with no reason to stop Zoro from destroying Dofi. Assume Dofi's awakening is stronger, Zoro still has Asura that will make a light work of Dofi.
3. Luffy fought Cracker after Doflamingo and said this is the hardest he has ever fought in his life. Still, people say Doflamingo is stronger or in the same level as cracker.
4. Trebol the mucus man said the 4 officers of the Doflamingo family are all comparable to Dofi in power. Dofi with his conqueror's haki has the edge over them and that's why he is their leader.
Zoro would NOT make light work of Doflamingo lol. Post-Wano Zoro? Yeah almost certainly. but Dressrosa Zoro loses to Doffy mid diff. Zoro’s fight with Fuji lasted a total of 1 pages, so trying to come 2 a conclusion from that is a lost cause.
Doflamingo is capable of flight, (albeit artificial) therefore he could control the pace of the entire fight. Zoro wouldn’t be able to engage Doffy unless Doffy chooses to. I also see Zoro struggling with Mingo’s “Black Knight”
@@M8V3N187 You didn't understand. Zoro was going to attack Dofi but Fujitora stepped out and defended him. It is like Oda won't let Zoro take the spotlight and boss fight from Luffy. Now again, tell me where Zoro got any hard fight after the time skip before fighting Kaido. Zoro is the same level from Fishmen Island until he acquired Enma. If u have been attentive during Dressrosa, you would know that Don Chinjao, after seeing Zoro cut Pica, he indicates that Zoro is stronger than Gear 3/2. Luffy with Gear 4 was low-mid diffing Dofi. Zoro would win extreme-diff. Even if not, Asura 3X multiplier will make sure that Zoro wins.
You guys gotta stop comparing Zoro to Luffy. Luffy is a Yonko, Zoro is a Yonko commander. 2 different things. Their strength may have been relative in the past, but that’s not the case anymore. Also a comment from a side character, who hasn’t even kept up with the crew doesn’t really hold weight either. Zoro has had plenty of tough opponents since fishman, and it’s already been stated SH’s get stronger after every battle. Killer, Hody, Hawkins, Pica were all tough fights that made Zoro stronger before he got Enma@@mazinisber4248
Ok Doffy still slams
@@lynxregions6724 what are you doing here? Go continue riding Dofi's meat.
Doffy slams luffy if they didn’t jump him
King Kong gun one shot doffy
Katakuri obviously is highly stronger
This is wild cope
Doffy is yonko level
No just no
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@@Ayatakashi_no_Amatrasuyes just yes
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Doaflamingo will by stronger in futcher
Guys hold me back.I’m about to do a ”divine departure” on this guy.He just insulted my favorite crewmate canditate
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@@GLOCKTOBER alr np