The original sounds were way more powerful. Reminiscent of 80s big and powerful. Luckily I found a mono rip and mixed it with a Blu-ray picture rip. Best of both worlds. So glad I grew up with the mono mix VHS.
And it’s bullshit that the dvd does but not the Blu Ray. It’s fucking stupid that what is supposed to be a upgrade in picture quality removes one valuable thing to it.
@@ChainsawManDude97 If you are a bit tech-savvy and don't give a damn about "legal" I would try to find a torrent of the DVD version with the mono track and then download a torrent of the 2006 MGM Blu Ray version (stay away from the 2013 or other versions as those change the original colors) and then use a video editing program like VEGAS Pro or DaVinci Resolve (free) to mix everything together so that you have the best sound and best picture quality combined.
Hey studios, here’s an idea: release this movie (and in fact all older movies) on 4K Bly ray with multiple audio options. The original mono / stereo tracks for purists (albeit cleaned up), your 5.1 remix done for DVD & Blu Ray, and then a newly created Dolby Atmos track. This will make everyone happy, and make the upgrade even more worthwhile.
Here's my two cents on the two soundtracks - I like the music in 5.1, SFX in mono with the exception of the garage chase. I like the two distinct shotgun sounds between the Terminator and Reese. You can hear the glass shattering and buckshot hitting the car which is nice. I prefer the mono shotgun in all other parts of the movie as well as all other mono gunfire. The mono music track is so evenly loud you miss little parts of the track. I like the 5.1 gunfire impact when it hits the Terminator. Everyone has their own preference, I just want parts of both implemented into one. Neither sound is a buzzkill to the movie - it would be good even if one was deaf.
It is not right. When bullets hit the Terminator's endoskeleton, the sound of impact against metal is dampened by overcoming the thick leather jacket and flesh. These sounds overlaid in 5.1 refer to the cheap, ill-conceived effects of modern cinema, which used to suffer less.
The simple thing is at the very least the original sound mix should always be included in a home release, it's as much a part of the movie as the picture. Then you can do whatever you want with remixed audio. If you're not going to do that, the remix should use the original stems and not change everything.
This might seem weird but honestly, I think movie and TV sound mixing has been getting worse and worse. Too gimmicky and not enough focus on making the mix easy to listen to.
They augment the sound of bullets and or lasers, and the damage they do instead while lessening the sound of the weapons themselves... which is completely backward. Listen. We shouldn't hear the bullets ricocheting off the Terminators endoskeleton. We should only hear the explosion of gunpowder and or gasses in the weapon itself
i will never understood how they settled for the new remix of his laser sighted handgun. did they think it was silenced or something? it's SO weird and it drives me insane. The second sound is for the future war Terminator plasma machinegun soundeffect. new one isnt bad, but there is so much more oomph to the old one
I wish they’d remaster the film in 4K, ditch that new 5.1 mic for a brand new one with the most realistic gunfire sounds possible. It would be even more menacing than BOTH versions. There’s some great resounds on UA-cam that blow these both away
@@crissrudd4554 For nostalgias sake, I TOTALLY agree! I’d like that remastered too as an alternate track like the original DVD versions, but that 5.1 needs a SERIOUS update for that aggressive, realistic sound too!
@@LITTLE1994 I’ve caught that too, 100%. Since I was born in ‘99 and saw the movie with the 5.1 DVD for almost my entire life, I always thought those were just the worst sounds they had back in the 80s and that’s why it was there. Hearing the mono years later, I can see what they were originally aiming for and it’s grown on me. But next to fan resounds that sound as real as possible, it’s almost unmatched
It's understandable that everyone likes the original mono track the best cause there is a hate against tinkering with old movies, which I mostly agree with. However, it seems people hated the mono track in the laserdisc days cause it lacked bass and no surround activity. Cameron himself actually said he wanted to upgrade the sound, but the studio didn't give him the budget for it, so he used the budget on other things he found more important. Later when the movie was a hit, he upgraded it for home releases, but then people wanted the mono track back.. I'm indifferent towards this but they really should give you the choice and include both on bluray releases.
Well it's not really a complain about it was remixed, but the mega-noticable change to things like gun-sounds, the overall music score sounding a lot more meek, etc. And... yeah, Laserdisc, that deadend of a technological development. XD
@@kinagrill Well, this August, The Terminator is getting its long-awaited 4K Blu-Ray release. Surely, it should get a 7.1 remix that fixes at least some of those mistakes (as Jaws did). And the best those who want the original mono track can do is hope and pray that the 4K Blu-Ray includes it.
JK-47 Part of the purpose of the remix was to make it sound more realistic. It succeeds in spots, it fails in spots. Either way I’ll still take the mono anyday!
@@kylereese5869 But remember not to watch it was VHS tapes lose their quality over time and every time you watch, so if you'd wan't to keep it you would have to convert it to DVD
I originally watched this film in the 5.1 Track but after the lack of a Dolby Logo in the credits. I knew it was in Mono so I researched on where I can find the Mono Soundtrack and now I own the VHS of the film.
It should be mandatory to include the original theatrical mix as an option on all blu rays…a mono mix takes up such a small amount of disc space it makes no sense not to include it
For me where the clearest difference is at 2:13 in the Police station scene. While the 5.1 remix does have a cleaner sound, there’s something about the original mono that just clicks, you know? Gives it a more raw and scary feel. But that’s just me personally. Agree, disagree? I’ll hear it. 👍
Wow I didn’t realize that the handgun was remastered to sound like a ray gun..those original sounds give more rattling sounds (which is great), even the music screams original horror
Always hated the newer sound effects ever since I first heard them on DVD, everything sounded completely neutered. It was too noticeable, the .45 longslide sound effect, the shotgun blasts during the garage chase & especially the pipe bomb explosions echoing in the tunnel chase were all replaced with weaker sound effects. I can also complain about the missing electric violin's music cue, which builds up the imminent tanker explosion, that was also taken out. The remastered sound's main problem is that it makes the movie feel incomplete.
As someone that grew up with this film in the 80s, I remember hearing the 5.1 remix for the first time, not knowing it was even a thing, and I hated it. It took me right out of the film and I couldn’t even finish the viewing. It sounded completely wrong. That we don’t have the original mono sound mix on blu-ray and probably won’t get it on the 4K is a damn crime.
I have this movie remastered version with both audio tracks and have listened to both versions with headphones carefully. The 5.1 remix has a noticeable higher quality sound overall as well as some additional sounds that the mono doesn't have, but the mono track has MUCH better and realistic sound effects, especially during action scenes and gun fights.
Overall I like the mono more, but there’s definitely a handful of parts that sound better with the 5.1. It’s crazy that the mono isn’t an option on the Blu Ray though!
The part where Kyle Reese throws Pipe Bombs in tunnel, in Original Audio, the explosion in tunnel creates a huge echo, but in remastered sound, it doesn't feel like that.
I just got the bluray with the 5.1 remix this week. Looks great, but the replacement gunshot sounds are an enormous downgrade. In the original mono, the gunshots are terrific. In the 5.1 remix, they're awful. It'll collect dust on the shelf, and the DVD comes back into service.
I think the best idea would be a mixture of the Mono and 5.1 Remix. There are things that the Mono mix did better (the .45 Longslide, the Uzi and the shotguns) and things that the 5.1 Remix did better (sound mixing, explosions, gunfire impacts on the Terminator and vehicles, the AR-18, the Infiltrator's cannon). There are also things that BOTH soundtracks got wrong, like the 45. Longslide's gunshot in the Tech Noir being completely silent and the AR-18 and SPAS-12 effects being mixed up in the police station.
They don’t even use the right laser sound effects in the 5.1 mix during one of Kyle’s flashback, so much for Jim wanting to make the mix closer to Terminator 2. And yes this is using sound effects from the sequel which makes it all the more frustrating with everybody wanting the original CDS and Dolby Stereo mixes for T2 not knowing it’s the same design from 1991 (personally they still should release the original CDS mix on BluRay, they did it once on DVD in 1997.) yet knowing this film wasn’t in stereo but in mono kind of ticks me off, to me remixes should mostly reflect the mono mix but in stereo (or in this case 5.1) and have the original mono to go along with it as an option.
To everyone who is thinking I am slagging off the T2 sound design: I am not as the person who did it went on to Jurassic Park and Toy Story but his sound should not be in this film. All I want is a 5.1 mix that has the original sounds as well as the mono mix, and I hope that we get a new mix in 5.1 or 7.1 from MGM with the original mono sound effects intact and a restored version of the original mono mix.
@@mikedbz8530 Their is arumor that Arrow might be relaunching The Terminator on UHD or 4K. If that rumour is true then gauranteed100% that Arrow will include the oridginal mono mix/not the lousy 5.1 remastered sound
@@bedfordshiremodeller4491 I bloody hope so, I need an upgrade from the DVD anyway, and as long as Arrow is involved, I’ll probably upgrade. I can tolerate the 5.1 remix, but it drives me mad sometimes, the .45 Longslide sounds like a laser gun, ( *pew pew* ) and the SPAS 12 has rifle sound effects in parts (I’m aware this issue is present in the original, but they should have fixed it) of the Police station shootout. Doesn’t ruin the movie whatsoever, but it brings it down for me ever so slightly.
I always appreciated, that in the future battle-scenes the lasers / rays are not like in starwars flying visible along like tracer-bullets, but are instentanious complete rays from gun to target, as light is. The banging sound going with the flashes in the mono-soundtrack fits this perfectly, as this is what it would sound like, because the ionized and heated air would collapse after the ray burst, like a little flash with thunder. Powerful short laser-bursts would (if at all) sound like "tack-tack" (*sizzle*) and not "pyiu-pyiu" like it was more in the 5.1 soundtrack.
I think the biggest factor is the sound system. With the old school tv's mono seems to be better because it gives you that deep bass effect, but with the new digital tech your system has to be on point and professionally tweaked, so you're not stuck with that irritating pins and needles effect. Sometimes when the sound is too clear it can be annoying and distracting.
Good observation but most of what people complain about here is the changing of the sound effects. Some such as myself prefer the older effects, others prefer the updated effects. The argument has little to do with mono vs stereo/surround.
@@bedfordshiremodeller4491 Mono is easier to do competently. Surround sound can work well but it's tough to pull off; badly done surround is gimmicky and hard to listen to.
I don't understand what everybody's so furious about. when I watch a movie, I don't expect to be assaulted with noise. when I watch a horrible, horrible war scene, I expect ... nay, DEMAND to be comforted with a pillow-like, attack-less, subtle sound mix. sheesh. you guys need to go off to war or something. I bet it's not _that_ loud. that's a myth.
The complaints are because the 5.1 mix changes the bulk of the sound effects heard in the original mono. Many, including myself, feel the original effects were vastly superior. But you’re entitled to your opinion.
I just can't watch and enjoy this movie with the remastered soundtrack. It takes me right out of the moment whenever the new gunfire effects play and I'm then muttering away to myself about them cheaping out with the new effects instead of doing a proper job. Having seen a couple of the demastered Star Wars movies, I'm hoping someone with a bit of technical know-how does the same with this. For now though, I'll have to see if I can find out whether there was a UK DVD release where I can choose the mono mix instead of the ineffectual 5.1 mix.
I believe the UK Remastered Blu-ray has the 2008 MGM logo (which is a remastered version of the early 2000s logo) and I know the R1 dvd has the early 2000s MGM logo So they should be synced up.
@@unstableordinance That's good to hear, although I imagine you need to know where to look in order to find it. Would like to find it, so that I can finally watch ithe movie properly again.
That’s probably the biggest advantage of the remix, sound-wise it’s more consistent with T2 (kind of removes the early 80’s feeling though) and I believe that’s why Cameron himself did it, but I still prefer the Mono every time if I had to pick.
I thought I was going insane back when I rewatched The Terminator after having originally as a kid watched the VHS version, and I could SWEAR especially the ballpointer pistol sounded different - it was to the point of me thinking if it was some mandela-effect. It was especially glaring as well with Sarah's dream of the future with the Colombo-terminator's big plasma-gun thingy just sounding like it was shooting bullets rather than 'PURPLE LASERS'... or at least it had more 'oomph' sound to it rather that hella-flat 'plak plak plak' noise in the remix.
I won't comment about the sound, but I've always found the scene where he shoots the first Sarah Connor awkward. He pushes the door open, steps over the threshold as she fall back, extends his arm fully, then suddenly he's standing in the door frame elbow bent and Sarah is just standing there waiting. Obviously they had multiple takes and had some reason to piece it together, it just looks weird.
So I've read that the T2 4K only includes the theatrical version, will the T1 do the same thing, or will it be more of this. The sounds were originally better, especially when it comes to the magnum. Well it's not how it sounded originally, so if the sound continues to be the remix, then it's not the theatrical version. Will this be the one time they don't include the theatrical version for 4K 🤔
I much prefer the mono version. But the Terminators 45 longslide does sound kinda cool in the 5.1 version. Apparently Arnold had to reach into his pocket to flip a switch to active the laser on that 45. The laser was connected to a cable that went to a power source and then ran to a switch box in Arnies pocket. Seems like laser sights weren't the norm back in 84.
@@crissrudd4554 Sounds a bit like a blaster from star wars. I still think it sounds kinda cool though. I managed to get both versions on dvd. Not easy finding the mono version for European dvd players. I like both versions. Think over all i prefer the mono though.
@@Tony-1971 It does sound cool and it was the first version of the film I watched, so I’m quite familiar with it, but having seen the film in the original mono mix, I really _hate_ that they changed it. Even though a lot of people associate that stock sound effect with Harry Callahan’s .44 Magnum, that’s not a bad thing, it makes the .45 longslide sound absolutely beastly and it gives the 2 “Sarah Connor” murders by Arnold before the Tech Noir shootout an intense brutality. The new effects by comparison make the scenes feel more… precision-like… if that makes sense. Given that Arnold’s T-800 is highly efficient and precise but ultimately more of a brute force hunter than a precision killer, I feel the original sound effects are far superior and fit the scene and character better. It’s the small details that make the difference.
@@horrorfanandy4647 I noticed that in the stereo version they actually use the wrong sound effects for the shotgun and the machinegun in the police station shootout scene. There is some parts when he fires the shotgun and you hear the machinegun sound effect. Its easy to spot if you keep an eye on which gun he has in which hand. Once you see it you cant unsee it.
@@Tony-1971 Oh it’s an issue in all the versions unfortunately. Doesn’t kill the scene though, a small sound editing error. There’s a great resound of the scene which makes the gunshots sound far more realistic than in either version, they fixed that error and the SPAS-12 sounds absolutely guttural when it takes down its first 2 victims in that small corridor, it’s frighteningly effective!
It's debated whether or not he had any influence over the 5.1 remix or the decision not to include it on Blu-Ray. One thing I'm very certain he lost his mind is when he brought True Lies to 4K and decided to use AI.
I was kind of mad how neither of the blu-ray releases included it. How much space and how hard would it have been just to include it as a Dolby Digital track? Like maybe 400-500mb.
2:38 I always found it funny they replaced all the gunshots and then left in the low quality cheap sound effect of Traxler hitting the floor. I enjoy hearing that wonderful score in stereo, but Arnold's pistol is like Star Wars Special Edition levels of bad
Guys idk wtf you all are smoking, the 5.1 sounds a lot better. If you want the sounds to be more powerful, turn up the volume! It's a well mixed and balanced track with little distortion and compression, which you do not want. The shotgun sounds better, the 45 slide sounds unique while the original sounds like an average mediocre-sounding stock pistol sound effect. The one benefit the mono has is that the machine guns the cops use sound better, but the T-800s machine gun? Forget about it, that gun sounds brutal. THAT BEING SAID, the mono should be more widely available on new releases for The Terminator, and I hope they do so when they make a new 4K transfer.
Honestly I agree. For every scene but the false Sarah termination the 5.1 mix sounded better to me. I guess the mono mix sounds better for the false Sarah termination because the door should give off more of a muffled sound between the voices.
Respect your opinion but I also respectfully disagree. The new mix makes it sound too contemporary and loses that low budget feel. The pipe bombs in the tunnel no longer echo, the scraping during the main title music is gone, .45 handgun sounds like it has a silencer, Reese’s shot is going ‘poof’ instead of “BLAM”. I digress. Everyone is allowed to like whatever mix they want but that being said present physical releases outside DVD only offer the remix when it should have both. Hopefully this supposed 4K release that’s coming out will rectify this.
@@crissrudd4554 but the sound effects for the magnum in the OG were generic and not even what the gun was supposed to sound like. Tbf I'm not sure if the new sound for the magnum is more accurate to the type of gun the terminator used. (it might not even be based on a real handgun). an option for both would be great. It'd be cool if you can edit the movie yourself on Blu-ray to cycle between what audio you want to be played scene by scene and have it saved on the disk so you don't have to keep fiddling with the audio manually.
I’d rather have the outdated Dirty Harry .44 Magnum sound than the pew pew sound used in the remix. Thats just my opinion though. Most of the time guns in films sound nothing like their real life counterparts anyways.
Awesome channel i just subbed..been looking for something like this with the mono vs 5.1 mixs..any chance you could do the orignal Rocky movie..iv been hearing for years the final scene is missing some emotional music in the 5.1 mix.
I don't have access to that one unfortunately, but yes the final scene is missing the opening piano riff to start the music off The piano riff can be heard on the mono track of the old BD releases
The original mono sounds were crafted by someone who loved and help creat this film, they had a feel for it and they nailed it. The sound effects from the remix seem to have been done by someone who was a terminator fan that had only seen the olast four films in the franchise
Notice how the sound effects really change the tone of the scenes. In the mono mix the guns have weight, power, and boom behind them, giving it a much more intense experience. The future war scenes are loud and sound like a battle. The 5.1 mix sounds weak- and that’s not what you want for a Terminator movie.
Woooow I knew the .45 sounded way different from when I was a kid. Watched it so much that sound is etched in my brain. Almost disappointed as I’m rewatching the first one in the 5.1
I'm usually a purist but I actually prefer the 5.1 track - some of the gun effects sound really cheesy on the original mix - Arnie's pistol sound like they just sampled a gunshot from Dirty Harry and reused it every time
Reese's pipe bombs were the worst change. They sound so quiet even though they're in a tunnel. And with Arnold's shotgun, they got really lazy and just sampled the sound for the lever-action Winchester from the second movie.
Biggest fuckup they did the with the new sound mix was in the police station shootout. Some of the shotgun shots used machine gun sound effect. I gotta try to find early 90's VHS release to see that does it have the original sound effects intact with Stereo mix.
Compared to Scarface sound effects. I really like both sounds like original sound and remastered. Remastered sound is real loud like the M-16 with grenade launcher attachment.
Fuck I never realized how different the 5.1 is compared to the original mono, why on earth did they fuck with the audio on some of those guns and make them sound like pea shooters?
Yes. There's the non-anamorphic 1997 DVD which is a downport of the LaserDisc and then there's the 2001 DVD which has the mono mix but it's a noticeably low quality.
I don't hate the 5.1 mix like poison anymore, but it's so tragic that the 2012 remaster doesn't get the Mono track or most of the extras from the old Special Edition DVD. It LOOKS great but is sorely lacking
For the firearm sounds and some explosions I prefer the mono. For the Energy weapons...I preferred the 5.1. The plasma rifle sounds like a toy, I'm sorry.
I don't know, I think I might prefer the 5.1 mix. Ironically, this one actually sounds a bit like real gun as they sound when they're recorded and played back on a camera. Anyone who's ever watched footage of a 9mm or .45 going of knows that the sound effect doesn't go BOOOOOOOOOOM!!! as they do in the mono. It's a sharp, short pang followed by a comparably loud echo. Here btw is the sound of of a 1911 being fired indoors. ua-cam.com/video/QA2gaCL3Z28/v-deo.html This doesn't mean that guns aren't loud. They're incredibly loud. But a movie could never realistically portray that. The closest thing you'll get in a movie is something like the shootout in Heat.
Mono is better. You'll also notice that Stereo sounds better than 5.1 mix when watching on Netflix or Prime. On Prime put it on Dolby Plus and Netflix put the audio on Stereo Original. If you have a true 5.1 SS setup go with the 5.1 I guess.
The future war scenes definitely sound better with the 5.1 mix. But the 5.1 scenes with the guns shooting. LOL sounds so bad. The pistol sounds so funny wtf.
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Revolvers in the Mono mix: *BOOM* *BOOM*
Revolvers in stereo mix: *pew* *pew*
The mono sounds are infinitely better. It's insane!
No
Es una delicia, en especial el sonido del arma al disparar...
es mas natural
@johangonzalez883 YES
Indeed
Yes
The original sounds were way more powerful. Reminiscent of 80s big and powerful. Luckily I found a mono rip and mixed it with a Blu-ray picture rip. Best of both worlds. So glad I grew up with the mono mix VHS.
good job.
Do you have that available?
@@AshanBhatoa If I'm not mistaken I found it from the original trilogy website.
0:48 that gun shot sounds like an eagle screaming
Why the mono isn’t available on blu ray is beyond me. Sounds so much better.
And it’s bullshit that the dvd does but not the Blu Ray. It’s fucking stupid that what is supposed to be a upgrade in picture quality removes one valuable thing to it.
Lazy studios
Which is why I kept my DVD and vhs
@@ChainsawManDude97 I’ve got it on DVD
@@ChainsawManDude97 If you are a bit tech-savvy and don't give a damn about "legal" I would try to find a torrent of the DVD version with the mono track and then download a torrent of the 2006 MGM Blu Ray version (stay away from the 2013 or other versions as those change the original colors) and then use a video editing program like VEGAS Pro or DaVinci Resolve (free) to mix everything together so that you have the best sound and best picture quality combined.
Hey studios, here’s an idea: release this movie (and in fact all older movies) on 4K Bly ray with multiple audio options. The original mono / stereo tracks for purists (albeit cleaned up), your 5.1 remix done for DVD & Blu Ray, and then a newly created Dolby Atmos track. This will make everyone happy, and make the upgrade even more worthwhile.
I like what was done with The Road Warrior. Really good transfer with lossless stereo and Atmos for those that prefer the altered sounds.
Not only mono or stereo but also in Dolby Pro Logic 4.0.
"4k" 🤣
0:31 - Here’s a funny irony. The Dirty Harry gun shot was still able to be used in the remastered Dirty Harry movies.
I don't think you know what irony means...
Mono is how the film is SUPPOSED TO BE !
The shotgun sound in mono tho
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Here's my two cents on the two soundtracks - I like the music in 5.1, SFX in mono with the exception of the garage chase. I like the two distinct shotgun sounds between the Terminator and Reese. You can hear the glass shattering and buckshot hitting the car which is nice. I prefer the mono shotgun in all other parts of the movie as well as all other mono gunfire. The mono music track is so evenly loud you miss little parts of the track. I like the 5.1 gunfire impact when it hits the Terminator. Everyone has their own preference, I just want parts of both implemented into one. Neither sound is a buzzkill to the movie - it would be good even if one was deaf.
It is not right. When bullets hit the Terminator's endoskeleton, the sound of impact against metal is dampened by overcoming the thick leather jacket and flesh. These sounds overlaid in 5.1 refer to the cheap, ill-conceived effects of modern cinema, which used to suffer less.
The simple thing is at the very least the original sound mix should always be included in a home release, it's as much a part of the movie as the picture. Then you can do whatever you want with remixed audio. If you're not going to do that, the remix should use the original stems and not change everything.
I think I like the infiltrator Terminator sounds better in the 5.1 - it makes the gun seem almost otherworldly, like some tech only machines can wield
The 5.1 version makes the entire film sound like a b-movie. I can't get enough of the original mono version!
This might seem weird but honestly, I think movie and TV sound mixing has been getting worse and worse. Too gimmicky and not enough focus on making the mix easy to listen to.
They augment the sound of bullets and or lasers, and the damage they do instead while lessening the sound of the weapons themselves... which is completely backward.
Listen. We shouldn't hear the bullets ricocheting off the Terminators endoskeleton. We should only hear the explosion of gunpowder and or gasses in the weapon itself
i will never understood how they settled for the new remix of his laser sighted handgun. did they think it was silenced or something? it's SO weird and it drives me insane. The second sound is for the future war Terminator plasma machinegun soundeffect. new one isnt bad, but there is so much more oomph to the old one
I wish they’d remaster the film in 4K, ditch that new 5.1 mic for a brand new one with the most realistic gunfire sounds possible. It would be even more menacing than BOTH versions. There’s some great resounds on UA-cam that blow these both away
JK-47 I’d still rather have the mono.
Yeah, the pistol one doesn't make any scene, and the gun ISN'T even suppressed!
@@crissrudd4554 For nostalgias sake, I TOTALLY agree! I’d like that remastered too as an alternate track like the original DVD versions, but that 5.1 needs a SERIOUS update for that aggressive, realistic sound too!
@@LITTLE1994 I’ve caught that too, 100%. Since I was born in ‘99 and saw the movie with the 5.1 DVD for almost my entire life, I always thought those were just the worst sounds they had back in the 80s and that’s why it was there. Hearing the mono years later, I can see what they were originally aiming for and it’s grown on me. But next to fan resounds that sound as real as possible, it’s almost unmatched
LONG LIVE MONO
It's understandable that everyone likes the original mono track the best cause there is a hate against tinkering with old movies, which I mostly agree with. However, it seems people hated the mono track in the laserdisc days cause it lacked bass and no surround activity. Cameron himself actually said he wanted to upgrade the sound, but the studio didn't give him the budget for it, so he used the budget on other things he found more important. Later when the movie was a hit, he upgraded it for home releases, but then people wanted the mono track back.. I'm indifferent towards this but they really should give you the choice and include both on bluray releases.
Well it's not really a complain about it was remixed, but the mega-noticable change to things like gun-sounds, the overall music score sounding a lot more meek, etc.
And... yeah, Laserdisc, that deadend of a technological development. XD
@@kinagrill Well, this August, The Terminator is getting its long-awaited 4K Blu-Ray release. Surely, it should get a 7.1 remix that fixes at least some of those mistakes (as Jaws did). And the best those who want the original mono track can do is hope and pray that the 4K Blu-Ray includes it.
0:53 the future war sounds way more terrifying with the thunderous explosions just add the plasma sounds from the 2nd versions and it'd be perfect.
Definitely
I prefer the newer ones, however I agree - either way they are not generic at all.
James Cameron isn't quite at George Lucas levels yet, but he's getting there.
Agreed he,s almost in the same league as him but not quite
😂😂😂
George is gone, let's stop bashing him - and using him to put down others who disagree with us.
Did Jim actually have anything to do with these changes? I would assume no.
@@blueyosh43 He certainly did in applying AI and DNR to his recent 4Ks.
My wish to hear the old mono sounds in dts hd or in dts x sound, they are simply excellent they are simply better than the new 5.1 version
You are not alone pal.
I wish they’d release the first one on 4K and remaster the gunfire to sound realistic. It would be even more menacing that way
JK-47 Part of the purpose of the remix was to make it sound more realistic. It succeeds in spots, it fails in spots. Either way I’ll still take the mono anyday!
The new gun sounds are so wimpy. They almost sound like explosive farts.
So it's worth it buying a VHS or a Laserdisc of this film.
I know right. They sound like they have silencers attached to them
@@kylereese5869 But remember not to watch it was VHS tapes lose their quality over time and every time you watch, so if you'd wan't to keep it you would have to convert it to DVD
Literally! It ruins the movie if you're used to the old sounds!
@@kylereese5869 The DVD should have the original soundtrack.
Terminator VHS mono sound is so mutch better Than DVD version
I originally watched this film in the 5.1 Track but after the lack of a Dolby Logo in the credits. I knew it was in Mono so I researched on where I can find the Mono Soundtrack and now I own the VHS of the film.
The US DVD releases also have the mono
Thanks all I have to do is switch the soundtrack.
@@kylereese5869 probably but I have a wide screen DVD that is a strictly model track
@@luckykennedy7364 You mean the 1997 DVD because that has the mono track only
@@kylereese5869 I think so
It should be mandatory to include the original theatrical mix as an option on all blu rays…a mono mix takes up such a small amount of disc space it makes no sense not to include it
For me where the clearest difference is at 2:13 in the Police station scene. While the 5.1 remix does have a cleaner sound, there’s something about the original mono that just clicks, you know? Gives it a more raw and scary feel. But that’s just me personally. Agree, disagree? I’ll hear it. 👍
Wow I didn’t realize that the handgun was remastered to sound like a ray gun..those original sounds give more rattling sounds (which is great), even the music screams original horror
Yeah, you sure can't beat the original sound effects with the updated ones.
Always hated the newer sound effects ever since I first heard them on DVD, everything sounded completely neutered. It was too noticeable, the .45 longslide sound effect, the shotgun blasts during the garage chase & especially the pipe bomb explosions echoing in the tunnel chase were all replaced with weaker sound effects. I can also complain about the missing electric violin's music cue, which builds up the imminent tanker explosion, that was also taken out. The remastered sound's main problem is that it makes the movie feel incomplete.
I have a wide screen mono mix on dvd thank god
Mono Future guns sound so powerful. Like these are not weapons to incapacitate these are weapons to EXTERMINATE
As someone that grew up with this film in the 80s, I remember hearing the 5.1 remix for the first time, not knowing it was even a thing, and I hated it. It took me right out of the film and I couldn’t even finish the viewing. It sounded completely wrong. That we don’t have the original mono sound mix on blu-ray and probably won’t get it on the 4K is a damn crime.
I have this movie remastered version with both audio tracks and have listened to both versions with headphones carefully. The 5.1 remix has a noticeable higher quality sound overall as well as some additional sounds that the mono doesn't have, but the mono track has MUCH better and realistic sound effects, especially during action scenes and gun fights.
Overall I like the mono more, but there’s definitely a handful of parts that sound better with the 5.1. It’s crazy that the mono isn’t an option on the Blu Ray though!
The old sounds are way more terrifiying !
The part where Kyle Reese throws Pipe Bombs in tunnel, in Original Audio, the explosion in tunnel creates a huge echo, but in remastered sound, it doesn't feel like that.
I just got the bluray with the 5.1 remix this week. Looks great, but the replacement gunshot sounds are an enormous downgrade. In the original mono, the gunshots are terrific. In the 5.1 remix, they're awful. It'll collect dust on the shelf, and the DVD comes back into service.
this is why i stick to watching my vhs copy of terminator, with its original and best sound
okay boomer.
I think the best idea would be a mixture of the Mono and 5.1 Remix. There are things that the Mono mix did better (the .45 Longslide, the Uzi and the shotguns) and things that the 5.1 Remix did better (sound mixing, explosions, gunfire impacts on the Terminator and vehicles, the AR-18, the Infiltrator's cannon).
There are also things that BOTH soundtracks got wrong, like the 45. Longslide's gunshot in the Tech Noir being completely silent and the AR-18 and SPAS-12 effects being mixed up in the police station.
I like the whipping impact sounds at 03:19 in the original when shots from the plasma rifle hit a target. Really sounds powerful.
Original Mono always wins.
They don’t even use the right laser sound effects in the 5.1 mix during one of Kyle’s flashback, so much for Jim wanting to make the mix closer to Terminator 2. And yes this is using sound effects from the sequel which makes it all the more frustrating with everybody wanting the original CDS and Dolby Stereo mixes for T2 not knowing it’s the same design from 1991 (personally they still should release the original CDS mix on BluRay, they did it once on DVD in 1997.) yet knowing this film wasn’t in stereo but in mono kind of ticks me off, to me remixes should mostly reflect the mono mix but in stereo (or in this case 5.1) and have the original mono to go along with it as an option.
To everyone who is thinking I am slagging off the T2 sound design: I am not as the person who did it went on to Jurassic Park and Toy Story but his sound should not be in this film. All I want is a 5.1 mix that has the original sounds as well as the mono mix, and I hope that we get a new mix in 5.1 or 7.1 from MGM with the original mono sound effects intact and a restored version of the original mono mix.
@@mikedbz8530 Their is arumor that Arrow might be relaunching The Terminator on UHD or 4K. If that rumour is true then gauranteed100% that Arrow will include the oridginal mono mix/not the lousy 5.1 remastered sound
@@bedfordshiremodeller4491
I bloody hope so, I need an upgrade from the DVD anyway, and as long as Arrow is involved, I’ll probably upgrade.
I can tolerate the 5.1 remix, but it drives me mad sometimes, the .45 Longslide sounds like a laser gun, ( *pew pew* ) and the SPAS 12 has rifle sound effects in parts (I’m aware this issue is present in the original, but they should have fixed it) of the Police station shootout. Doesn’t ruin the movie whatsoever, but it brings it down for me ever so slightly.
@@horrorfanandy4647 It,s gnna happen sooner or later probs on the40th anniversairy in2yrs time in24which makes sense
@@horrorfanandy4647 No i can,t stand that5.1 remastered bullcrap just giv us the oridginal Mono Mix/i,ll be happy
For me the remix and the 4k visuals make the movie look like it came out today.
Just one more case of filmmakers retroactively "fixing" something that didn't need to be fixed 😢
I always appreciated, that in the future battle-scenes the lasers / rays are not like in starwars flying visible along like tracer-bullets, but are instentanious complete rays from gun to target, as light is. The banging sound going with the flashes in the mono-soundtrack fits this perfectly, as this is what it would sound like, because the ionized and heated air would collapse after the ray burst, like a little flash with thunder. Powerful short laser-bursts would (if at all) sound like "tack-tack" (*sizzle*) and not "pyiu-pyiu" like it was more in the 5.1 soundtrack.
I think the biggest factor is the sound system. With the old school tv's mono seems to be better because it gives you that deep bass effect, but with the new digital tech your system has to be on point and professionally tweaked, so you're not stuck with that irritating pins and needles effect. Sometimes when the sound is too clear it can be annoying and distracting.
Good observation but most of what people complain about here is the changing of the sound effects. Some such as myself prefer the older effects, others prefer the updated effects. The argument has little to do with mono vs stereo/surround.
@@crissrudd4554 I grew up in the 80,s and still prefer that nostalgic mono mix on these old school sci-fi films
@@bedfordshiremodeller4491 Mono is easier to do competently. Surround sound can work well but it's tough to pull off; badly done surround is gimmicky and hard to listen to.
@@ryanjacobson2508 True
I don't understand what everybody's so furious about.
when I watch a movie, I don't expect to be assaulted with noise. when I watch a horrible, horrible war scene, I expect ... nay, DEMAND to be comforted with a pillow-like, attack-less, subtle sound mix.
sheesh. you guys need to go off to war or something. I bet it's not _that_ loud. that's a myth.
The complaints are because the 5.1 mix changes the bulk of the sound effects heard in the original mono. Many, including myself, feel the original effects were vastly superior. But you’re entitled to your opinion.
@@crissrudd4554
Guessing his sarcasm went straight over your head?
Seemed more rant-ish than scarcastic but whatever
@@crissrudd4554
Read it again. Or don't.
@ AESCULAPTOR-mk3 How bout don’t tell we what to do?? Pardon my sarcasm :P
I just can't watch and enjoy this movie with the remastered soundtrack. It takes me right out of the moment whenever the new gunfire effects play and I'm then muttering away to myself about them cheaping out with the new effects instead of doing a proper job.
Having seen a couple of the demastered Star Wars movies, I'm hoping someone with a bit of technical know-how does the same with this.
For now though, I'll have to see if I can find out whether there was a UK DVD release where I can choose the mono mix instead of the ineffectual 5.1 mix.
If it helps the US DVD by MGM has both tracks.
@@crissrudd4554 Thanks. I'd heard that, so will be trying to find a copy until (if?) there is a better option.
I believe the UK Remastered Blu-ray has the 2008 MGM logo (which is a remastered version of the early 2000s logo) and I know the R1 dvd has the early 2000s MGM logo So they should be synced up.
Theres a version making the rounds with the bluray version with a mono riop made from the laserdisc going around
@@unstableordinance That's good to hear, although I imagine you need to know where to look in order to find it. Would like to find it, so that I can finally watch ithe movie properly again.
The .45 long-slide replacement is the absolute worst
3:42 lmfao Half Life 2 MP7
Is the dialogue supposed to be so quiet in the “remix”?
Som of the music has been quitened down also
Mono is the way to go but...i like some of the new sounds, the future plasma rifle sounds mostly
That’s probably the biggest advantage of the remix, sound-wise it’s more consistent with T2 (kind of removes the early 80’s feeling though) and I believe that’s why Cameron himself did it, but I still prefer the Mono every time if I had to pick.
The laser sounds in the mono and on another level.
I thought I was going insane back when I rewatched The Terminator after having originally as a kid watched the VHS version, and I could SWEAR especially the ballpointer pistol sounded different - it was to the point of me thinking if it was some mandela-effect.
It was especially glaring as well with Sarah's dream of the future with the Colombo-terminator's big plasma-gun thingy just sounding like it was shooting bullets rather than 'PURPLE LASERS'... or at least it had more 'oomph' sound to it rather that hella-flat 'plak plak plak' noise in the remix.
I won't comment about the sound, but I've always found the scene where he shoots the first Sarah Connor awkward. He pushes the door open, steps over the threshold as she fall back, extends his arm fully, then suddenly he's standing in the door frame elbow bent and Sarah is just standing there waiting. Obviously they had multiple takes and had some reason to piece it together, it just looks weird.
Original mono effects sound fuller, more powerful to me. They have a weight that the remastered sounds lack.
So I've read that the T2 4K only includes the theatrical version, will the T1 do the same thing, or will it be more of this. The sounds were originally better, especially when it comes to the magnum. Well it's not how it sounded originally, so if the sound continues to be the remix, then it's not the theatrical version. Will this be the one time they don't include the theatrical version for 4K 🤔
This still sounds like a 20 years old war crime against Cinema... "Professional" Remix audio... Yeah right
Pew Pew Pew... sucks!!! Why would they deliberately pussify the gun shots!! Also thanks for putting this together. Masterful work.
The 5.1 mix is great but the mono version will always prevail.
I much prefer the mono version. But the Terminators 45 longslide does sound kinda cool in the 5.1 version. Apparently Arnold had to reach into his pocket to flip a switch to active the laser on that 45. The laser was connected to a cable that went to a power source and then ran to a switch box in Arnies pocket. Seems like laser sights weren't the norm back in 84.
The remixed sound of the 45 is too watered down.
@@crissrudd4554
Sounds a bit like a blaster from star wars. I still think it sounds kinda cool though. I managed to get both versions on dvd. Not easy finding the mono version for European dvd players. I like both versions. Think over all i prefer the mono though.
@@Tony-1971
It does sound cool and it was the first version of the film I watched, so I’m quite familiar with it, but having seen the film in the original mono mix, I really _hate_ that they changed it.
Even though a lot of people associate that stock sound effect with Harry Callahan’s .44 Magnum, that’s not a bad thing, it makes the .45 longslide sound absolutely beastly and it gives the 2 “Sarah Connor” murders by Arnold before the Tech Noir shootout an intense brutality. The new effects by comparison make the scenes feel more… precision-like… if that makes sense. Given that Arnold’s T-800 is highly efficient and precise but ultimately more of a brute force hunter than a precision killer, I feel the original sound effects are far superior and fit the scene and character better. It’s the small details that make the difference.
@@horrorfanandy4647
I noticed that in the stereo version they actually use the wrong sound effects for the shotgun and the machinegun in the police station shootout scene. There is some parts when he fires the shotgun and you hear the machinegun sound effect. Its easy to spot if you keep an eye on which gun he has in which hand. Once you see it you cant unsee it.
@@Tony-1971
Oh it’s an issue in all the versions unfortunately. Doesn’t kill the scene though, a small sound editing error. There’s a great resound of the scene which makes the gunshots sound far more realistic than in either version, they fixed that error and the SPAS-12 sounds absolutely guttural when it takes down its first 2 victims in that small corridor, it’s frighteningly effective!
The mono audio with the terminator in the bunker had more screams in it, and one that sounds like a child's scream. Much more terrifying
James Cameron lost his mind when he changed that
It's debated whether or not he had any influence over the 5.1 remix or the decision not to include it on Blu-Ray. One thing I'm very certain he lost his mind is when he brought True Lies to 4K and decided to use AI.
I was kind of mad how neither of the blu-ray releases included it. How much space and how hard would it have been just to include it as a Dolby Digital track? Like maybe 400-500mb.
This isnt a joke? Man the sound guy who did the 5.1 sux
Original mono, VHS version
5.1 Remix, DVD version
2:38 I always found it funny they replaced all the gunshots and then left in the low quality cheap sound effect of Traxler hitting the floor. I enjoy hearing that wonderful score in stereo, but Arnold's pistol is like Star Wars Special Edition levels of bad
Guys idk wtf you all are smoking, the 5.1 sounds a lot better. If you want the sounds to be more powerful, turn up the volume! It's a well mixed and balanced track with little distortion and compression, which you do not want. The shotgun sounds better, the 45 slide sounds unique while the original sounds like an average mediocre-sounding stock pistol sound effect. The one benefit the mono has is that the machine guns the cops use sound better, but the T-800s machine gun? Forget about it, that gun sounds brutal. THAT BEING SAID, the mono should be more widely available on new releases for The Terminator, and I hope they do so when they make a new 4K transfer.
Honestly I agree. For every scene but the false Sarah termination the 5.1 mix sounded better to me. I guess the mono mix sounds better for the false Sarah termination because the door should give off more of a muffled sound between the voices.
Respect your opinion but I also respectfully disagree. The new mix makes it sound too contemporary and loses that low budget feel. The pipe bombs in the tunnel no longer echo, the scraping during the main title music is gone, .45 handgun sounds like it has a silencer, Reese’s shot is going ‘poof’ instead of “BLAM”. I digress. Everyone is allowed to like whatever mix they want but that being said present physical releases outside DVD only offer the remix when it should have both. Hopefully this supposed 4K release that’s coming out will rectify this.
@@crissrudd4554 but the sound effects for the magnum in the OG were generic and not even what the gun was supposed to sound like. Tbf I'm not sure if the new sound for the magnum is more accurate to the type of gun the terminator used. (it might not even be based on a real handgun).
an option for both would be great. It'd be cool if you can edit the movie yourself on Blu-ray to cycle between what audio you want to be played scene by scene and have it saved on the disk so you don't have to keep fiddling with the audio manually.
I’d rather have the outdated Dirty Harry .44 Magnum sound than the pew pew sound used in the remix. Thats just my opinion though. Most of the time guns in films sound nothing like their real life counterparts anyways.
Awesome channel i just subbed..been looking for something like this with the mono vs 5.1 mixs..any chance you could do the orignal Rocky movie..iv been hearing for years the final scene is missing some emotional music in the 5.1 mix.
I don't have access to that one unfortunately, but yes the final scene is missing the opening piano riff to start the music off
The piano riff can be heard on the mono track of the old BD releases
0:54 and 3:06 are absolutely _neutered_ in 5.1
I also like the old sounds, but I’m not happy that the sounds of Kyle and the T-800 shotguns are the same
I love the old mono sound its terribly real ...
Arnies .45 Hard baller used to sound like Harry Callaghans. 44. Now it sounds feeble. Poor show.
The original mono sounds were crafted by someone who loved and help creat this film, they had a feel for it and they nailed it.
The sound effects from the remix seem to have been done by someone who was a terminator fan that had only seen the olast four films in the franchise
I understand what you’re saying but just for clarification there was only two Terminator films at the time this remix was done. ;)
Original Mono = Raw and Punchy
Remix = Too clean and Wimpy
Original Mono audio sounds like Dirty Harry, 😂👍🏻
Notice how the sound effects really change the tone of the scenes. In the mono mix the guns have weight, power, and boom behind them, giving it a much more intense experience. The future war scenes are loud and sound like a battle. The 5.1 mix sounds weak- and that’s not what you want for a Terminator movie.
Woooow I knew the .45 sounded way different from when I was a kid. Watched it so much that sound is etched in my brain. Almost disappointed as I’m rewatching the first one in the 5.1
I'm usually a purist but I actually prefer the 5.1 track - some of the gun effects sound really cheesy on the original mix - Arnie's pistol sound like they just sampled a gunshot from Dirty Harry and reused it every time
That is the Dirty Harry sound effect. IMO it’s more beefier than the ‘pew pew’ sound of the handgun in the remix. But I respect your opinion.
Reese's pipe bombs were the worst change. They sound so quiet even though they're in a tunnel. And with Arnold's shotgun, they got really lazy and just sampled the sound for the lever-action Winchester from the second movie.
Love the original mono 45
You forgot the detonations in the tunnel chase
The old sounds had a massive reverb/echo while the new ones sounded weak
0:53 0:54 The Mono version hits different from the 5.1 remix in this part!
Biggest fuckup they did the with the new sound mix was in the police station shootout. Some of the shotgun shots used machine gun sound effect. I gotta try to find early 90's VHS release to see that does it have the original sound effects intact with Stereo mix.
Compared to Scarface sound effects. I really like both sounds like original sound and remastered. Remastered sound is real loud like the M-16 with grenade launcher attachment.
Fuck I never realized how different the 5.1 is compared to the original mono, why on earth did they fuck with the audio on some of those guns and make them sound like pea shooters?
If you don’t mind me asking, what’s the source of the mono track?
For this specific one I used the laserdisc, the first comparison I used the MGM DVD
RaccoonWarriorPrincess Do you think you can send me the download link for the laserdisc track? I’ve heard it’s the superior one.
@@jabbatheblack5317 I can't over here no
You can get the laserdisc and the LaserDisc players on Ebay.
@@raccoonwarriorprincess1024 I thought that was from VHS or DVD set to mono.
Stick to the classic sound.
Was a mono dvd version ever released back in the early 2000s ???
All the US DVDs have a mono option and yes some were released in the ‘00s.
Yes. There's the non-anamorphic 1997 DVD which is a downport of the LaserDisc and then there's the 2001 DVD which has the mono mix but it's a noticeably low quality.
I don't hate the 5.1 mix like poison anymore, but it's so tragic that the 2012 remaster doesn't get the Mono track or most of the extras from the old Special Edition DVD. It LOOKS great but is sorely lacking
I say only the future scenes should've have the 5.1 remix
For the firearm sounds and some explosions I prefer the mono. For the Energy weapons...I preferred the 5.1. The plasma rifle sounds like a toy, I'm sorry.
I prefer the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack!!
Well then you are wrong sir! :P Nahh I’m just kidding. Everyone is entitled to their preferences. ;)
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@@LopezAlabama Nice!
I don't know, I think I might prefer the 5.1 mix. Ironically, this one actually sounds a bit like real gun as they sound when they're recorded and played back on a camera. Anyone who's ever watched footage of a 9mm or .45 going of knows that the sound effect doesn't go BOOOOOOOOOOM!!! as they do in the mono. It's a sharp, short pang followed by a comparably loud echo. Here btw is the sound of of a 1911 being fired indoors. ua-cam.com/video/QA2gaCL3Z28/v-deo.html
This doesn't mean that guns aren't loud. They're incredibly loud. But a movie could never realistically portray that. The closest thing you'll get in a movie is something like the shootout in Heat.
I like both even though my Vhs tape of it is 5.1
I prefer original mono😊❤
Mono is better. You'll also notice that Stereo sounds better than 5.1 mix when watching on Netflix or Prime. On Prime put it on Dolby Plus and Netflix put the audio on Stereo Original. If you have a true 5.1 SS setup go with the 5.1 I guess.
The mono soundtrack is far superior. The remix takes away too much of the impact
The Remix better balances the SFX and Music, but by god do I miss the gunshot SFX - especially the Dirty Harry SFX they used for the .45 Long Slide.
Mono, all day. 5.1 gunshots sound like a wet fart!
5.1 remix has silencer in T-800 model 101 gun which more stealther.
I wonder if more and more sound mixers never heard a gunshot before. Those 5.1 gunshot effects sound horrendous.
The future war scenes definitely sound better with the 5.1 mix. But the 5.1 scenes with the guns shooting. LOL sounds so bad. The pistol sounds so funny wtf.
Its an absolute fuckin atrocity what they did in the sound remix, original mono all the way!