They used Tesla as a clickbait title. Apple is another common use. Outrageous price. Expensive even for rich countries. And in those same countries, it is cheaper to buy an scooter. It's not better for the environment but a much better and comfortable way to go from one place to another.
I think they mean Tesla referring to the model S being like a top notch, high-end super car that is electric and applying that to the world of electric bikes ;)
Sorry the title is just click bait. It's really just an upper middle of the road electric bike. Tesla is four wheel drive so this bike should have motors at both axles but it doesn't. Tesla is one of the fastest cars on the road while this bike can barely get itself going without pedaling. Tesla has a feature set that Mercedes Benz is having trouble duplicating while this bike has a couple of features. Not really a Tesla.
Absolutely agreed. Not only is it incredibly ugly and under-engineered, the quoted 75 miles on a charge has to be in the absolute lowest setting possible. While I'm still warming up to e-bikes, there are substantially better offerings out there for even less money. A Trek XM700+ has all the features of this bike (and many, many more) while also being substantially better in just about every way.
Is it though? You have miniaturized electric propulsion and the batteries are built into the frame. It still looks like a normal bike... all the other electric bikes look like a garage science experiment. This one has the benefit of being low-profile, people won't identify it as an expensive electric bike unless they take a close look. Plus this has smart features that no other bike has. They could have specced hydro brakes at that price but for a city bike that isn't going to be seeing much off-pavement riding, there's really no point.
I do hope some wealthier peeps do decide to buy and invest in this idea so that 5 years down the road the bike technology could become much cheaper - that's what Tesla's doing. c:
Tesla raises the prices for the chargers and the cars ain't cheap either. The model 3 May be cheaper but also the car itself is cheaper. Tesla doesn't give you anything for free and it didn't really improve in the motor or the battery since the s
Tommy Tom, Clearly you're unaware of what the population make. $60,000 is more than the yearly median income, so yes, you have to be rich to afford a Tesla. www.businessinsider.com/us-census-median-income-2017-9
3000 in my opinion isn't too bad. In big cities like new York this bike would be well worth the money. You can go more places than a motorcycle and the electric assist reduces fatigue. This is for a young business man/woman who doesn't want a full carbon bike (would get stolen in a heartbeat). It's easy to ride and has some comfort features
Yea but bro, have you ever tried an eBike? like for reals, they have good stuff in them, not everyone is that fit, it doesn't mean its for u, maybe older people
It's funny because I live in the netherlands and here biking is a main form of transport. Everywhere is a seperate bike road, beside the road, just for bikes to ride. My bike is also my only transport, i go everywhere with the bike. I think it's in america completely different.
Very few people use a bike as their sole form of transport here in the US (at least where I live in a small college town), and if you are riding a bike where there is no bike lane, you are generally considered a nuisance to drivers. I would say ~35% of the roads in my town have bike lanes, and that is on the high side.I believe the main reason for this is how most people live in the suburbs, many miles outside of the city where they work, often too far to bike.
I wish Germany would have such luxury too. Germany pays 0,18€/Year/Inhabitant for bike lanes. Netherlands pays 8,40€ for each. Many streets have bike lanes or bike roads. Even some main roads. Often there is absolutely no possibility to get to your destination by bike. So you have to take the car. It highly depends on you location. For example Saxony has amlost no bike lanes. At my 45km tour there were 0% bike lanes. In Berlin around 40% Bike lanes. Island Fehmarn has many bike lanes (around 80%) In comparison with lolland (Denmark) its even low. Germany has a huge car industry and I think that they make pressure that bikes will not become a compeditor for cars.
Very different man. When I ride on the roads without cycling infrastructure (Which is a lot of them) I have to worry about being honked at, buzzed, hit(sometime cars traveling 72kmh+ behind me), cussed at, flicked off, etc. Generally the worse of these actions occur on roads with speeds in excess of about 50kmh. But I enjoy my ride most days and am contributing to my health and that of the world we live in. Luckily my new town has about 25-35% of roads covered in bike lanes (which are just shoulders on the normal road) so not much complaining here on that. We could still do a lot better though as there are a bunch of dangerous roads and intersections I have to commute through weekly. The U.S. is still designed around the car sadly.
I've bought but returned my vanMoof electrified S after 3 weeks: I love the design, it's a beautiful bike but..... - the battery is very limited. max 20-25 km range with maximum support. it drains way too fast. - it deals very bad with headwind or uphill (even a small bridge). The power of the motor is very limited. - the automatic shifting of the gears is far from subtle and not comfortable. - squeaking brakes. They are not hydraulic but lesser quality mechanical disc-brakes - Lights won't work when the battery is down. So when your battery is dead you can't drive safe on muscle power in the dark. - using the touchscreen is very limited, difficult when driving and doesn't work smooth. - the functionality of the app is very limited. - the vanMoof support is slow, inadequate and unprofessional Overal in my experience the bike is still "under construction" and way overpriced. The price/quality ratio is poor! It doesn't live up to the hype.
Bertju83 - Sorry to hear about your VanMoof. I’m looking to find out more about the e-bikes as well. I’m not sure if they made any revisions to their newer models. Any details to substantiate the range and power claims, VanMoof?
wrong there is A LOT more to the Dutch than cannabis legalization it's purely coincidence 4:20 is an American phrase not Dutch he would not know what you are talking about
Agreed, ANY bike can be stolen and in NYC most people won't even give it a second glance. The only way to prevent a bike from being stolen is to bring it with you. I lived in NYC in Greenwich Village and had 3 bikes stolen over the course of 2 years. No matter what lock you use, someone will steal it if they want it bad enough. If not the whole bike, then just parts.
siliconstate you can buy the same bike without the battery and it costs half the price of the electric one but still with Bluetooth. I've had this bike for over a year and it still goes faster than the electric one. This is because it's made of aluminum
HAHAHAH really, ur comparing this to a electric skateboard that goes 6 miles on a charge, cant drive in wet conditions, electronics degrade and can be unreliable and so on and so on. Basically taking a poor form of transportation(skateboard) and comparing it to the most efficient design of transportation man has ever built. yea, electric skateboards are a fad.
As someone who uses a boosted board in downtown Chicago, I can say that it is a really awesome form of transportation... but hey, that's just from a guy who actually uses the product right? What would I know...
There are literally 100s of companies selling electric bicycles, many of which look better (and often go faster) than this one. And they have been around for several years already. So, what's all the fuss about? Remember, in the words of Internet security expert Mikko Hypponen: "smart means exploitable".
I agree with you on the electric bikes but i gotta say I'm quite interested in the "smart" version....I might be wrong but that sound pretty innovative to me
+Picscaptured All good features but not particularly new as Stromer did all of this with their ST2 two years ago (a more expensive and faster e-bike with more features and a battery twice as big).
+Kendoji1 yeah but the st2 is not very interesting to me as ,just like you said, it is an electric bike. Moreover it's about 10x as expensive as the smart version of this bike...I'm just very interested in the ability to track the bike down when it is stollen. Also I just read on the website that they will get it back for you and if they don't find it within two weeks you basically get a new one for 98 bugs which is a very good deal to me.
When he said $2000-3000 my immediate response was "that's it??" because I sell and work on bikes for a living. Even the non-electric commuter bike I use everyday retails at around $1500. The pedal assist bikes my shop has cost the same or more as these and have nowhere near the same features. This is the future and I can't wait to get my hands on one of them.
It's actually a very bad idea. according to physics "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another" In a normal bike, legs motion get converted to a kinematic energy directly which move the bike. However, for the same energy if you put a motor that can be charged by legs, the motor will lose much greater energy than normal bike due to heat, sound, internal components,etc which will reduce motor efficiency so it will be harder to move.
In Europe, ebikes are limited by law to 250 watts. In the US, the limit is usually 750 to 1000 watts, depending on the state. The extra power can come in very handy on a hill. If this bike has a 250 watt motor, that would be a negative. But, I do like the fact that they put the batteries and motor in the tubes. It looks very clean and slick.
US$3000? Oh my. Yeah, I'm with you, I'd by a motorbike before I by such an expensive bike. Anyway, you can buy electric motors, do the batteries yourself ending up with a far cheaper bike if you really want one. ;)
Yeah, that's too much. There's a bike company in my country where you can buy a bike with regular peddling, peddle assisted, or just throttle powered. It can go up to 70 km/h. Has GPS tracking. Light and a break light. Finger print locking/unlocking and many more features. And it's about 2400 euros.
Note to engineers: The kickstand belongs at the rear dropout, it does NOT belong at the bottom bracket where all the kid's bikes have them. You know the bikes - the ones that fall over.
+Jakob Tresch (SirSchaegge) It takes about a day to mount a 49cc motor to just about any bike (including the time to figure out where/how to mount it and then round up the parts) and costs far less. When you're done you have a full-on MoPed that is perfectly street legal (in the US) and you still have about $2600 left to spend on more important things (more, if you buy a used motor).
This way you converted the most efficient and versatile vehicle in the world into a ugly, toxic and dangerous thing that is less efficient than a gas powered water heater. My idea? Buy a scooter.
Technology gradually gets more affordable, and we have to start somewhere. In 1890, the average price of a typical bicycle was $19.00, which is the equivalent of about $500 in today's dollars. I imagine people scoffed at that too. And if you don't like a rough bicycle ride, take a little bit of air out of the tires until it's more tolerable. If it's still not good enough, then you need a car, or just walk.
+Artur Ragulskyi I'm not implying infinite power, if that's what you're thinking. And it doesn't take much effort at all to charge the battery. All you need is to convert the rotational kinetic energy into electrical energy and store it back into the battery. Cars already do it, so why can't this?
hybrids can output 100kw constantly. you can output 0.2kw consistently, and that makes you sweat like a racing horse already. it DOES take a lot of effort to charge the battery by pedaling.
If the pedal crankshaft were connected to charging generator, it would feel like pedaling up a steep hill! That would be *wherever* you pedal even on straight and flat roads -- that's just to generate any useful amount of electrical current to start charging a battery that can propel a bike. The laws of physics are unforgiving and never give us a free lunch unfortunately! If the battery were to go depleted while out on the road, the quickest way to get home would be to just pedal the e-bike normally. That would be the most efficient use of the energy stored in our legs. On a side note, I've heard some e-bikes can use "regenerative braking" to recapture energy and slow down. But I think a typical bicycle does *not* have enough mass and kinetic energy to justify the added complexity of a regenerative braking system.
That would not be a good change. That would mean your energy would be wasted in the process of becoming electric energy being stored and later transformed again into mechanical. Instead of simply being used in real time and wasting 0%.
This bike from a Dutch perspective is the perfect practical daily bike for everyone.. No whistles and bells, just a good regular trustful bike for your daily commute..
600$ for a normal bike? 2230$ for the electrified one, 2,789$ for electrified S. for a bike? no thanks il stick to my 10-year-old normal bike that lasted in all weathers and only cost me 240
i have a 20 year old aluminium frame bike that has seen all kinds of abuse and is still the best bike i've ever used. people offered me four supermarket-kind-mountainbikes worth of money on its frame alone, even after all these years.
metro2002 Yes, but it's also 15 times as expensive, but not 15 times as useful. A great many commuters could do their commute on an eBike year round, but my point is people are so conditioned to cars that the same people who drop 30k for a car to drive 10 miles to work never consider that they could spend a fraction and do it on an eBike.
I think the best solution is the portable units that are all over youtube. They are relatively small, light, you can attach them to a regular bike, and take the battery with you. They are also cheaper. They are not without issues, though.
It sounded really great (75 mile range?!?) until I heard the guy say that it "feels a little uncomfortable over bumps" I realized the frame design looks really harsh. Who knows what the extra weight of the batter and motor do. I will stick to my specilialed sirrus pro for my 5 mile commute. I truly believe the frame design, carbon fork/seatpost aid in a good combination of nice supple ride and high performance geometry/ergo/weight/power transfer (fun factor).
I did 5 years ago, currently it's pretty much worthless, but there's no point selling it. Top speed 135 mph, 0-60 8.6 s, fuel cost ~6$ per 100km (average, currently 5$) 2 very comfortable seats in the front, 2 reasonably comfortable at the back (registered for 5), air conditioning, fuel + running costs at ~10$/100km
Why is this so amazing to these people, tonnes of popular bike companies like trek, giant and specialised have been making these for a few years and they are way better
I think they could cheaply make t way more awesome, like adding a little Bluetooth speaker or something, definitely adding shocks, and maybe a phone clip or just something quirky that people can say. I really loved this part of the bike. Lol just my opinion
i think he means the design, so average. maybe if the design a bit futuristic, or luxury classic, that emit the aura of expensiveness, it may become worthed.
when u emit the said aura, you are telling people to steal it. I think he meant more functional stuff like good suspension. Yes they can find it back but not after a few hours to even weeks while you need it right away.
What this company is really selling is security. The prospect of always knowing where your bike is and knowing that you're always going to get it back or they'll get you a new one. They probably have built in GPS into each bike. If it's reported stolen, they contact the local authorities and give them the location data. Bike retrieved. It's an electric assist so you still have to pedal for the juice to kick in. It's not so much about the electric assist, it's about the security of the bike. Also, lots of people on here commenting on getting a moped or a car. Remember, this is geared for city folk. City people need something that's lightweight that can transport you with no problems for parking or hiking up stairs. Don't talk smack about electric bikes unless you've tried one. They're a lot of fun to ride.
Found this on another ebike site..."For people just starting out, one basic decision is whether to buy an ebike or build one. You may not want to get locked into a dealer if you think you might find another option, like building. If you have a bike, add a motor, and add a battery, the bike is now an ebike and you own an ebike".
Let me explain something: Yes you can buy a car for that price which would be more practical but, this is designed to replace the need for a car when it is only you. A fun, free way of getting too nearer destinations within cities. I live in London. A bicycle like this is perfect. Dodge traffic, get some excercise and avoid spending 36% of my paycheck on public transport or my car. Do you know how annoying it is sitting at lights constantly. It takes 20 minutes to Stratford from Kings Cross on a good service on the underground. About 26 minutes by car if I am lucky. On an assisted bike, (from my buddies who cycle too but now have go cycles), 15 minutes. How much did it cost them. Nothing to get there. More money for holidays, weekends and family. A bike like this will make back it's money and ten fold more saving you from expensive travel. I plan to get an assisted bike and avoid being tired all the time from riding.
fixed gear and single speeds are imo the most fun city bikes that liven up the ride and don't make it boring even after a long time commuting. I think people who are afraid of sweating just need to try it out and dress properly and those who think fixed are dangerous should learn how safer it is if you know what you're doing.
David Yang Don't mean to hate on cycling but all these 1000$ bikes shouldn't really be costing anywhere close to that. They aren't really that special.
For the guarantee that my bike either wouldn't get stolen or would get retrieved if it did, plus the quality build of VanMoof bikes, I wouldn't hesitate to pay two grand. I got my bike stolen a few months ago and I was heart broken for days. I definitely don't ever want to live that again.
Holy F balls, $3k? For a bike? Seriously get a used bike for $50 and just buy a new one if it gets stolen - you'll even get more exercise since it's powered by ATP.
People are wising up to the fact that humanity will not survive another generation of car drivers. If you're purchasing your primary means of transportation, you need to buy something that's going to get you to work on time day in and day out, and the $50 beater with parts falling off ain't it.
***** Obviously not, same as I think it's ridiculous with 24c solid gold ring binders - but that dsnt mean that UAE princes don't think they're fancy. Do you have a problem with me having an opinion on bike prices? Why?
Wish they'd do this with all the comfort features that would make it more practical for commuter use in big cities with crappy pavement and plenty of potholes.
It is a luxury brand. Here in Amsterdam, where this brand is from, people generally ride 50-200 USD city bikes bought second/third/fourth hand. As opposed to a 2000USD VANMOOF bike, the ones without any battery assistance, the product is charging for its smooth integrated design, high quality materials etc. Mostly for rich kids or more succesful, upperclass, people as bikes tend to get stolen often here. (Bike ownership is almost sort of a timeshare concept here, yours gets stolen, you buy a stolen old one online or from some junky)
I’ve gotten a chance to ride one of these in Amsterdam this weekend. There are 4 modes, from 0 assist to full assist. Theyre super fun to ride and the smart lock is also pretty cool. The one downside I think this bike has is that the gears can only be changed while fully stopped, which is a bummer because I noticed times where’d I’d want to go faster or slower but I’d have to come to a stop first before changing gear and being locked to that gear again until I come to a stop again.. not sure what the thinking behind that functionality
So buy a used car. Pay $100 annually to keep it registered and legal. Pay $50 a month for the required insurance. Pay $50 a month for gasoline to drive it. Pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars when something really needs fixed on it. Have you had a car repaired lately? Seems like it's always at LEAST $300 or $500 and up. See a trend here?
Just imagine if people got their lazy asses on a normal bike though. More education needs to go towards healthy living, and less technology needs to be created to enable laziness.
Like, adding all that stuff, specially a motor, is it still a bike? and bikes are supposed to be environment friendly. The batteries that are in these bikes are probably lithium batteries. Which of course take some drilling and shipping and factoring to get the sources and create the battery.
i don't understand... electric bikes are available with more powerful motors and batteries for cheaper. this is nice, but not innovative. it has nothing to do with tesla.
Electric bikes that you can trust, are about that plus the tracking feature is quite expensive if you add one to a bike in such a way that it can't be disabled or removed. The price is not outrageous.
Not to mention he makes it very clear that he won't ever show us where the bike actually is, rather he will "start finding your bike ourselves, so it's not direct" and "HELP you" find it. So I have to rely on someone else to find the GPS on my $3k electric bike? No thank you
This video is pure propaganda, $3000? Tesla of bicycles?? Electric bicycles exist many years, the fact that these guys made another version with cool looks doesn't make them special. Come to Israel, the street is packed with electric bikes (Chinese mostly) that cost less than a $1000, and will give you a range of 40 Km (far more than the average rider needs).
Isn't this worse for the environment than normal biking? That makes it the opposite of the Tesla of biking IMO. It's a neat bike, but calling it the Tesla of biking just because it's electric seems inaccurate to me.
+Alexander Victoria I feel like it would be better to call it the smart phone of bikes. Extra electronic features and has a bigger ecological footprint.
See it as a solution for people who would normally find their daily commute too far to do on a bike so instead they take a car. This bike will increase the range where people choose to hop on a bike instead of a car. Less cars, more bikes..
Why does Murica have an enormous different biking culture? In The Netherlands, it's just a bike... For Americans a car is holy I think. All these helmets and culture and things. It's a bike come on.
+fidelio I don't expect that Americans commute that much more than Dutch people. And you definitely don't drive from the west to east coast each day. So a bike in a urban area could be useful for Americans as well. And a fun fact: It appears that Dutch people are getting skinnier (instead of getting more obese) because of the many cycling miles... ( and did also contributes to this)
+Hilgo Mol You expect wrong, I'm afraid. Americans started to embrace cars en-masse from 1915 onward thanks to dirt-cheap petroleum and low population density. Outside the oldest cities, mass transit mostly died after the Second World War.
Cheezsoup For your situation it seems like a bike might be a better option but for me, motorcycle beats bicycle and car because you skip all the stop and go traffic by lane splitting.
Yes as you say horses for courses . It still surprises me watching some two wheeled video on UA-cam when they talk about the illegality of lane splitting.
How sad people consider buying these bikes. A normal street bike, you know with gears, is all a man needs. These hipsters are trying so hard to be different they are propping up an electric assisted fixed gear industry like the tools they are.
An electric bike gets me to work and back, which is 65km each day. I couldn't do that on a normal bike, and public transport would take the same time while costing just as much. Good for me, good for the environment, one less car on the road.
64 years old i rode over 300 miles on my ebike last year in 2 months if I rode my regular bike I would have rode half that. These bikes shown hear are a bit too pricy for me and no shocks only goes 21 miles an hour . I have a bulls bike that has shocks an goes 28 mph and goes way farther not much more money. The designer is so happy with his bikes it shows good job just bring the price down if he wants to sell any as he has tons of competition at much cheaper price. I think the designer wants to make an ebike that looks like a regular bike this is done at a big cost an lack of features. This stolen bike thing is a joke as cops could give a crap about getting your stuff back they have crimes to solve tickets to write donuts to eat.
420 watt hours? Best in the industry? Last year around this time, I added a Bafang kit to my touring bike; I selected the 52 volt, 24 Ah battery. This is 1248 watt hours! It would do 38mph on flat roads with no wind. Total cost was about as much as the high end model SmartBike, but it had triple the power and range.
If I were an investor, this may not be the right company but it's the right idea. Being able to know where all your products are at anytime after point of sale is key to the growth of the idea, product and company. Integrate that data with other data points and you know everything you need to know about your customers.
damn...people get lazier and lazier, the purpose of a bike is to pedal your own way completely manpowered, not be assisted like you're disabled. I wouldn't call it smartbike, i'd call it lazybike.
You sound like someone who has never ridden an ebike. If you live in a flat area, it makes little difference. But, if you live in a very hilly area like I do, it makes the difference between riding and pushing your bike up a long steep hill. That's nobody's idea of fun or even practical.
+Dan Sanger true that! I dont think this should be marketed to people just biking on flat terrain then? I feel like society will adobt this and get more lazy and less active. But I do understand that in order for it to get cheaper and more affordable for people who actually do need it for hills, more people must buy. Its a integrative world between gas scooters and bicycles i guess, but as a hardcore cyclist, i still hate the idea. And ofcourse we classics will just be ignored and the next generation will innovate and move on just like internet did.
i live in a very hilly town in super hot california you grow muscle over time now i dont even sweat when i cruz around town anymore just ride your bike every day youll have no problem
yea but think like this, you could go normal speed with less energy...or, you can go super fast with normal energy. If I had this bike id be pedaling hard and using the assist to fly down the road lol
Buy a regular 2nd handed Van Moof. Mine was 2 months old and it cost me 280 euros. So, you don't get the smart features nor a battery, but it gets the job done, just like a 2000 dollar/euro model and with the exact same comfort. Just buy a good locker.
You are so wrong. Right now you can get $4k bikes with Bosch mid-drives from Trek, Cannondale, Felt, Giant, and about twenty other brands and tons of people are happy to pay for them. Then there's the $10k Stromer, a top seller in the industry.
but this bike here is totaly overpriced, i can get it for a hi end electric city bike but here the components are low qualitiy, not even hydrolic brakes...
Don't forget the extra cost of the exchangeable battery every 2 years. Also all the hustle to find a compatible battery since the company wont be making them forever .
Lol, I have a 55 euro used bicycle, but some people here in Belgium and certainly in the Netherlands ride their bikes on a daily basis. 700- 800 euro is the minimum price for a decent daily driver. For a lot of people a bicycle isn't only a way of transportation, cycling is something they do in their free time
This is so much nicer than the bulky batteries electric bikes usually have! And I love the safety mechanisms. Can it be transferred so you can resell them when you want an upgrade? How long until you need to replace them? How many miles?
An extremely integrated look, even concealing the battery, which normally when concealed, looks like an oversized down tube. Only personal preference for me would be the desire for a sloping top tube. Once I got used to the sloping top tube on my mountain bike (first on my vintage Klein), I can't go back to the intrusive horizontal top tube.
Nice to see a company FINALLY figure out to put the battery in the frame to avoid theft and make the bike look simpler.
The Tesla of bikes because it doesn't use gas?
Yeah, I already have that one.
They used Tesla as a clickbait title. Apple is another common use.
Outrageous price. Expensive even for rich countries. And in those same countries, it is cheaper to buy an scooter. It's not better for the environment but a much better and comfortable way to go from one place to another.
I think they mean Tesla referring to the model S being like a top notch, high-end super car that is electric and applying that to the world of electric bikes ;)
cheaper than the stealth e-bikes which are AU$10-12k
Sorry the title is just click bait. It's really just an upper middle of the road electric bike. Tesla is four wheel drive so this bike should have motors at both axles but it doesn't. Tesla is one of the fastest cars on the road while this bike can barely get itself going without pedaling. Tesla has a feature set that Mercedes Benz is having trouble duplicating while this bike has a couple of features. Not really a Tesla.
Absolutely agreed. Not only is it incredibly ugly and under-engineered, the quoted 75 miles on a charge has to be in the absolute lowest setting possible. While I'm still warming up to e-bikes, there are substantially better offerings out there for even less money. A Trek XM700+ has all the features of this bike (and many, many more) while also being substantially better in just about every way.
he says it isn't luxurious then why does it has luxurious price
and no shockups
Pretty normal price for a quality bike. $2-3K is about mid to upper-mid pricing for most bikes.
If you can ride on it for 20 years it's not that of high price anual for an electric bike.
it's not a big deal to add sprung seats
Is it though? You have miniaturized electric propulsion and the batteries are built into the frame. It still looks like a normal bike... all the other electric bikes look like a garage science experiment. This one has the benefit of being low-profile, people won't identify it as an expensive electric bike unless they take a close look. Plus this has smart features that no other bike has. They could have specced hydro brakes at that price but for a city bike that isn't going to be seeing much off-pavement riding, there's really no point.
True, by the time you're 275years old your aluminum frame will be gone too...
Misleading title. "The Iphone of bicycles" would hit the nail on the head.
I do hope some wealthier peeps do decide to buy and invest in this idea so that 5 years down the road the bike technology could become much cheaper - that's what Tesla's doing. c:
Tesla is only for the wealthy.
Tesla raises the prices for the chargers and the cars ain't cheap either. The model 3 May be cheaper but also the car itself is cheaper. Tesla doesn't give you anything for free and it didn't really improve in the motor or the battery since the s
NIK You dont need to be rich to afford a $60,000 car.
Tommy Tom, Clearly you're unaware of what the population make. $60,000 is more than the yearly median income, so yes, you have to be rich to afford a Tesla.
www.businessinsider.com/us-census-median-income-2017-9
NIK, Clearly youre unaware that you dont just pay 60k upfront you have to pay it in monthly down payments.
$3000! Pft. I'll just go and buy a mid to high end road bike
Exactly, right now it's not worth it. But when the technology advances and the prices get cheaper then.
Rather buy two max out boosted board to go around the city
You can convert bikes to electric bikes by using a hub motor and lots of Diy and research.
3000 in my opinion isn't too bad. In big cities like new York this bike would be well worth the money. You can go more places than a motorcycle and the electric assist reduces fatigue. This is for a young business man/woman who doesn't want a full carbon bike (would get stolen in a heartbeat). It's easy to ride and has some comfort features
Yea but bro, have you ever tried an eBike? like for reals, they have good stuff in them, not everyone is that fit, it doesn't mean its for u, maybe older people
It's funny because I live in the netherlands and here biking is a main form of transport. Everywhere is a seperate bike road, beside the road, just for bikes to ride. My bike is also my only transport, i go everywhere with the bike. I think it's in america completely different.
Very few people use a bike as their sole form of transport here in the US (at least where I live in a small college town), and if you are riding a bike where there is no bike lane, you are generally considered a nuisance to drivers. I would say ~35% of the roads in my town have bike lanes, and that is on the high side.I believe the main reason for this is how most people live in the suburbs, many miles outside of the city where they work, often too far to bike.
I wish Germany would have such luxury too. Germany pays 0,18€/Year/Inhabitant for bike lanes. Netherlands pays 8,40€ for each.
Many streets have bike lanes or bike roads. Even some main roads. Often there is absolutely no possibility to get to your destination by bike. So you have to take the car. It highly depends on you location. For example Saxony has amlost no bike lanes. At my 45km tour there were 0% bike lanes. In Berlin around 40% Bike lanes. Island Fehmarn has many bike lanes (around 80%) In comparison with lolland (Denmark) its even low.
Germany has a huge car industry and I think that they make pressure that bikes will not become a compeditor for cars.
+BannedIP way to turn around an intelligent conversation.
Very different man. When I ride on the roads without cycling infrastructure (Which is a lot of them) I have to worry about being honked at, buzzed, hit(sometime cars traveling 72kmh+ behind me), cussed at, flicked off, etc. Generally the worse of these actions occur on roads with speeds in excess of about 50kmh.
But I enjoy my ride most days and am contributing to my health and that of the world we live in.
Luckily my new town has about 25-35% of roads covered in bike lanes (which are just shoulders on the normal road) so not much complaining here on that. We could still do a lot better though as there are a bunch of dangerous roads and intersections I have to commute through weekly. The U.S. is still designed around the car sadly.
In the US, having a car is pretty much mandatory. There is just too much space between cities and suburbs.
I knew the camera man was riding a boosted board, that orgasmic electric acceleration got to me
I've bought but returned my vanMoof electrified S after 3 weeks:
I love the design, it's a beautiful bike but.....
- the battery is very limited. max 20-25 km range with maximum support. it drains way too fast.
- it deals very bad with headwind or uphill (even a small bridge). The power of the motor is very limited.
- the automatic shifting of the gears is far from subtle and not comfortable.
- squeaking brakes. They are not hydraulic but lesser quality mechanical disc-brakes
- Lights won't work when the battery is down. So when your battery is dead you can't drive safe on muscle power in the dark.
- using the touchscreen is very limited, difficult when driving and doesn't work smooth.
- the functionality of the app is very limited.
- the vanMoof support is slow, inadequate and unprofessional
Overal in my experience the bike is still "under construction" and way overpriced. The price/quality ratio is poor! It doesn't live up to the hype.
Bertju83 - Sorry to hear about your VanMoof. I’m looking to find out more about the e-bikes as well. I’m not sure if they made any revisions to their newer models. Any details to substantiate the range and power claims, VanMoof?
This was very useful to read. Thank you
Thanks for the honest review.
Now I have a better idea of this VanMoof bike.
Hang on so are the “facts” in this video a lie then?
These bicycles should be bought and offered by delivery companies , I work for such a company and this is a must.
2:05 - Trust the people of Amsterdam to make a bike and then to make the battery 420 kW/h. Cheeky stoners.
He said WattHr, sir :)
Big difference, 1000x
wow, so this bike has 5x the battery of a tesla model s? niiiccceee
/s
OMG so true xD
Don't the people off Amsterdam trust the Dutch they are way different and better
wrong
there is A LOT more to the Dutch than cannabis legalization
it's purely coincidence
4:20 is an American phrase not Dutch
he would not know what you are talking about
In Short, nice bike, far too expensive.
And also just another non theft proof bike like every other on the market .
Agreed, ANY bike can be stolen and in NYC most people won't even give it a second glance. The only way to prevent a bike from being stolen is to bring it with you. I lived in NYC in Greenwich Village and had 3 bikes stolen over the course of 2 years. No matter what lock you use, someone will steal it if they want it bad enough. If not the whole bike, then just parts.
siliconstate you can buy the same bike without the battery and it costs half the price of the electric one but still with Bluetooth. I've had this bike for over a year and it still goes faster than the electric one. This is because it's made of aluminum
@@lefgia Vanmoof will actually recover your stolen bike within 2 weeks. If they can't, they'll replace it.
Reality
thats 2 boosted boards for the money
HAHAHAH really, ur comparing this to a electric skateboard that goes 6 miles on a charge, cant drive in wet conditions, electronics degrade and can be unreliable and so on and so on. Basically taking a poor form of transportation(skateboard) and comparing it to the most efficient design of transportation man has ever built. yea, electric skateboards are a fad.
one board for each leg XD
Or a cheaper electric bike because boosted boards are crappy overpriced gimmicks.
Roy
*5!
As someone who uses a boosted board in downtown Chicago, I can say that it is a really awesome form of transportation... but hey, that's just from a guy who actually uses the product right? What would I know...
Mark my words Vanmoof will be the future of ebiking. I need to invest in this company.
This seems like such a brilliant idea!
75 miles between charges is nice, but $3,000 is not. I'll pass.
Guarantee it won't do 75 miles in real world use too. 30 is more like it.
TheAegisClaw
Shure it will, if you had your good breakfest...;)
There are literally 100s of companies selling electric bicycles, many of which look better (and often go faster) than this one. And they have been around for several years already.
So, what's all the fuss about?
Remember, in the words of Internet security expert Mikko Hypponen: "smart means exploitable".
I agree with you on the electric bikes but i gotta say I'm quite interested in the "smart" version....I might be wrong but that sound pretty innovative to me
+Picscaptured All good features but not particularly new as Stromer did all of this with their ST2 two years ago (a more expensive and faster e-bike with more features and a battery twice as big).
+Kendoji1 yeah but the st2 is not very interesting to me as ,just like you said, it is an electric bike. Moreover it's about 10x as expensive as the smart version of this bike...I'm just very interested in the ability to track the bike down when it is stollen. Also I just read on the website that they will get it back for you and if they don't find it within two weeks you basically get a new one for 98 bugs which is a very good deal to me.
+Picscaptured *wrong "bugs" 😂 of course I wanted to say "bucks"
It has the label "smart" on it.
When he said $2000-3000 my immediate response was "that's it??" because I sell and work on bikes for a living. Even the non-electric commuter bike I use everyday retails at around $1500. The pedal assist bikes my shop has cost the same or more as these and have nowhere near the same features. This is the future and I can't wait to get my hands on one of them.
Is it Tesla priced too?
yea 3000$ :/
+Rajan Mali that's not too bad. There are regular bikes that cost upwards of $10,000
+AirsoftWarfareHD in gta v
There are not.
+vanhakaveri of course there are. there is even a electric bike that costs 25.000$
The man answered his own query. There is a reason few engineers are working on this.
Why charge your bike, when your legs can charge it?
Because pedaling gets way harder with a dynamo. Maybe adding a regenerative brake or downhill charging can actually help.
Because e bikes are better than pedaling?
That's actually quite clever.
It's actually a very bad idea. according to physics "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another"
In a normal bike, legs motion get converted to a kinematic energy directly which move the bike. However, for the same energy if you put a motor that can be charged by legs, the motor will lose much greater energy than normal bike due to heat, sound, internal components,etc which will reduce motor efficiency so it will be harder to move.
The Man Wow, ok ok ok. Thanks for the explanation.
In Europe, ebikes are limited by law to 250 watts. In the US, the limit is usually 750 to 1000 watts, depending on the state. The extra power can come in very handy on a hill. If this bike has a 250 watt motor, that would be a negative. But, I do like the fact that they put the batteries and motor in the tubes. It looks very clean and slick.
3000......i think I'll just buy a scooter.
US$3000? Oh my. Yeah, I'm with you, I'd by a motorbike before I by such an expensive bike. Anyway, you can buy electric motors, do the batteries yourself ending up with a far cheaper bike if you really want one. ;)
dupuychile you're missing the point
dupuychile is a hipster bike...
Yeah, that's too much. There's a bike company in my country where you can buy a bike with regular peddling, peddle assisted, or just throttle powered. It can go up to 70 km/h. Has GPS tracking. Light and a break light. Finger print locking/unlocking and many more features. And it's about 2400 euros.
or just invest into an e-bike b52
Note to engineers: The kickstand belongs at the rear dropout, it does NOT belong at the bottom bracket where all the kid's bikes have them. You know the bikes - the ones that fall over.
SO many electric bikes... and all so expensive theyre not worth it.
actually they are worth in places with more hills here in Switzerland every third bike sold is powered...
yeah, why are they so expensive? i wonder, is it really for the cost or just because is trending?
well i think the trend, we shall see in 5years if it's still that expensive
+Jakob Tresch (SirSchaegge) It takes about a day to mount a 49cc motor to just about any bike (including the time to figure out where/how to mount it and then round up the parts) and costs far less. When you're done you have a full-on MoPed that is perfectly street legal (in the US) and you still have about $2600 left to spend on more important things (more, if you buy a used motor).
This way you converted the most efficient and versatile vehicle in the world into a ugly, toxic and dangerous thing that is less efficient than a gas powered water heater.
My idea? Buy a scooter.
This is the google self driving bike from their April fool's prank.
THAT'S COOL BIKE. ME LIKEY
but it's needs front suspension
3K???????????? WTF?????????????????????? ARE THEY SERIOUS??
They're city bikes, so they don't need front forks
still would be more smooth
*****
maybe, but even in a video - riding in a city environment host admitted it was a bit painful experience
Technology gradually gets more affordable, and we have to start somewhere. In 1890, the average price of a typical bicycle was $19.00, which is the equivalent of about $500 in today's dollars. I imagine people scoffed at that too. And if you don't like a rough bicycle ride, take a little bit of air out of the tires until it's more tolerable. If it's still not good enough, then you need a car, or just walk.
Actually not that much a carbon racing bike cost around 5,000 and they get even crazier than that so...
Filming on a boosted board👍 would recognize that melody from miles away!😍
Too bad the pedal doesn't charge the battery. That would be a good change.
learn phisic Sir... you need to push it too hard to charge.. there is no free candy
+Artur Ragulskyi I'm not implying infinite power, if that's what you're thinking. And it doesn't take much effort at all to charge the battery. All you need is to convert the rotational kinetic energy into electrical energy and store it back into the battery. Cars already do it, so why can't this?
hybrids can output 100kw constantly.
you can output 0.2kw consistently, and that makes you sweat like a racing horse already.
it DOES take a lot of effort to charge the battery by pedaling.
If the pedal crankshaft were connected to charging generator, it would feel like pedaling up a steep hill! That would be *wherever* you pedal even on straight and flat roads -- that's just to generate any useful amount of electrical current to start charging a battery that can propel a bike. The laws of physics are unforgiving and never give us a free lunch unfortunately!
If the battery were to go depleted while out on the road, the quickest way to get home would be to just pedal the e-bike normally. That would be the most efficient use of the energy stored in our legs.
On a side note, I've heard some e-bikes can use "regenerative braking" to recapture energy and slow down. But I think a typical bicycle does *not* have enough mass and kinetic energy to justify the added complexity of a regenerative braking system.
That would not be a good change. That would mean your energy would be wasted in the process of becoming electric energy being stored and later transformed again into mechanical. Instead of simply being used in real time and wasting 0%.
This bike from a Dutch perspective is the perfect practical daily bike for everyone..
No whistles and bells, just a good regular trustful bike for your daily commute..
id rather have a boosted board because it's more compact being a board and you can bring it into your office, or apartment.
Mike Derderian
But you look like an idiot and you won't go that fast with it
Unless you can get saddle bags on a boosted board and go on a grocery run, I'll stick to my pedal assist ebike.
Dude what. There was an advert for this exact bike on the start of this video.
Send one to Casey Neistat. That will help you company alot.
Great innovations.. Keep up the good work Verge..
600$ for a normal bike? 2230$ for the electrified one, 2,789$ for electrified S. for a bike? no thanks il stick to my 10-year-old normal bike that lasted in all weathers and only cost me 240
i have a 20 year old aluminium frame bike that has seen all kinds of abuse and is still the best bike i've ever used. people offered me four supermarket-kind-mountainbikes worth of money on its frame alone, even after all these years.
i'll stick with my free '70s 3 speed, just had to lube it, change the brake pads and pump the tyres.
Now its good for another 10 years :D
Good fo you sir! good for you^^
Yet somehow nobody blinks an eye at a 30k car. People are weird.
metro2002 Yes, but it's also 15 times as expensive, but not 15 times as useful. A great many commuters could do their commute on an eBike year round, but my point is people are so conditioned to cars that the same people who drop 30k for a car to drive 10 miles to work never consider that they could spend a fraction and do it on an eBike.
I think the best solution is the portable units that are all over youtube. They are relatively small, light, you can attach them to a regular bike, and take the battery with you. They are also cheaper. They are not without issues, though.
had the chance to ride one of these, god damn if i wasn't on min wage i would buy one this minute
It sounded really great (75 mile range?!?) until I heard the guy say that it "feels a little uncomfortable over bumps" I realized the frame design looks really harsh. Who knows what the extra weight of the batter and motor do. I will stick to my specilialed sirrus pro for my 5 mile commute. I truly believe the frame design, carbon fork/seatpost aid in a good combination of nice supple ride and high performance geometry/ergo/weight/power transfer (fun factor).
No one is going to buy a bike for the price of a decent car...
Tell that to people who pay this much money and more for a regular bike
Who gets a decent car for $3000?
Used cars.
I did 5 years ago, currently it's pretty much worthless, but there's no point selling it.
Top speed 135 mph, 0-60 8.6 s, fuel cost ~6$ per 100km (average, currently 5$)
2 very comfortable seats in the front, 2 reasonably comfortable at the back (registered for 5), air conditioning, fuel + running costs at ~10$/100km
tell that to my buddy who just bought a $4000 mountain bike
Why is this so amazing to these people, tonnes of popular bike companies like trek, giant and specialised have been making these for a few years and they are way better
the problem is that the bike is not interesting enough for the price you pay.
I think they could cheaply make t way more awesome, like adding a little Bluetooth speaker or something, definitely adding shocks, and maybe a phone clip or just something quirky that people can say. I really loved this part of the bike. Lol just my opinion
i think he means the design, so average. maybe if the design a bit futuristic, or luxury classic, that emit the aura of expensiveness, it may become worthed.
when u emit the said aura, you are telling people to steal it. I think he meant more functional stuff like good suspension. Yes they can find it back but not after a few hours to even weeks while you need it right away.
What this company is really selling is security. The prospect of always knowing where your bike is and knowing that you're always going to get it back or they'll get you a new one. They probably have built in GPS into each bike. If it's reported stolen, they contact the local authorities and give them the location data. Bike retrieved. It's an electric assist so you still have to pedal for the juice to kick in. It's not so much about the electric assist, it's about the security of the bike.
Also, lots of people on here commenting on getting a moped or a car. Remember, this is geared for city folk. City people need something that's lightweight that can transport you with no problems for parking or hiking up stairs.
Don't talk smack about electric bikes unless you've tried one. They're a lot of fun to ride.
Can't believe hardly anyone is mentioning that dude's rip at 4:10 lmao.
lol!!! I didn't catch that the first time, thanks for pointing that out! Funny how they didn't edit that out.
Sorry. I didn’t quite catch that.
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Found this on another ebike site..."For people just starting out, one basic decision is whether to buy an ebike or build one. You may not want to get locked into a dealer if you think you might find another option, like building. If you have a bike, add a motor, and add a battery, the bike is now an ebike and you own an ebike".
Well, if they are the Tesla of bikes, then they will come up with a cheaper model next time.
I dig the design.
Let me explain something:
Yes you can buy a car for that price which would be more practical but, this is designed to replace the need for a car when it is only you. A fun, free way of getting too nearer destinations within cities.
I live in London. A bicycle like this is perfect. Dodge traffic, get some excercise and avoid spending 36% of my paycheck on public transport or my car.
Do you know how annoying it is sitting at lights constantly. It takes 20 minutes to Stratford from Kings Cross on a good service on the underground. About 26 minutes by car if I am lucky. On an assisted bike, (from my buddies who cycle too but now have go cycles), 15 minutes. How much did it cost them. Nothing to get there. More money for holidays, weekends and family.
A bike like this will make back it's money and ten fold more saving you from expensive travel. I plan to get an assisted bike and avoid being tired all the time from riding.
You people need to price road and mountain bikes, costs up to $15grand.
exactly correct ...
if someone is paying that much they are into serious racing or riding
Google the cost of a new good quality bike. They start at $1,000.
fixed gear and single speeds are imo the most fun city bikes that liven up the ride and don't make it boring even after a long time commuting. I think people who are afraid of sweating just need to try it out and dress properly and those who think fixed are dangerous should learn how safer it is if you know what you're doing.
@3:45 IF your bike is stolen we will "help you" find you bike back. SURRRRRRRE
The lamp design is brilliant. Having the battery in the frame is awesome, too.
Just a little afraid of the price..
The welding is hideous.
The Verge just made the Buzzfeed of titles
2,000!?!? that's ridiculous for a non powered regular old bike
i mean 1.5k would be nice ;)
cuz you dunno bike bruh
I paid 125 for mine and still thought it was overpriced.
Anitrex006 cuz ur bike is shitty
David Yang Don't mean to hate on cycling but all these 1000$ bikes shouldn't really be costing anywhere close to that. They aren't really that special.
For the guarantee that my bike either wouldn't get stolen or would get retrieved if it did, plus the quality build of VanMoof bikes, I wouldn't hesitate to pay two grand. I got my bike stolen a few months ago and I was heart broken for days. I definitely don't ever want to live that again.
I owned an electric bike not so long ago, for two weeks, then it got stolen. FML
The blue t-shirt really brings your eyes out! Also cool bike.
Holy F balls, $3k? For a bike?
Seriously get a used bike for $50 and just buy a new one if it gets stolen - you'll even get more exercise since it's powered by ATP.
People are wising up to the fact that humanity will not survive another generation of car drivers. If you're purchasing your primary means of transportation, you need to buy something that's going to get you to work on time day in and day out, and the $50 beater with parts falling off ain't it.
A $50 is going to get you to work every day, it's a bike not a rocket ship. I know, I used one for years.
***** Obviously not, same as I think it's ridiculous with 24c solid gold ring binders - but that dsnt mean that UAE princes don't think they're fancy.
Do you have a problem with me having an opinion on bike prices? Why?
ATP power!!!
My mountain bike was $3500 new. Top of the line models sell for 6.5-9k
Wish they'd do this with all the comfort features that would make it more practical for commuter use in big cities with crappy pavement and plenty of potholes.
Just made? These have been out for years FFS.
i'm bacccccccccck !! now i'm thinking.... when bikes have motors they are now a motorcycle.
This isn´t new it´s just an electric bike with a few different things to it. Nothing new or revolutionary at all.
It is a luxury brand. Here in Amsterdam, where this brand is from, people generally ride 50-200 USD city bikes bought second/third/fourth hand. As opposed to a 2000USD VANMOOF bike, the ones without any battery assistance, the product is charging for its smooth integrated design, high quality materials etc. Mostly for rich kids or more succesful, upperclass, people as bikes tend to get stolen often here. (Bike ownership is almost sort of a timeshare concept here, yours gets stolen, you buy a stolen old one online or from some junky)
4:10 dat fart tho....
lol
Didn't even edit it out.
Did he really fart ?? lmfao
He VanMoofed.
@@dibyayan388 no, he made that sound with his mouth
I’ve gotten a chance to ride one of these in Amsterdam this weekend. There are 4 modes, from 0 assist to full assist. Theyre super fun to ride and the smart lock is also pretty cool. The one downside I think this bike has is that the gears can only be changed while fully stopped, which is a bummer because I noticed times where’d I’d want to go faster or slower but I’d have to come to a stop first before changing gear and being locked to that gear again until I come to a stop again.. not sure what the thinking behind that functionality
For the price you can buy a gas powered scooter. 🙂
For that price you can buy a car.
+Charles Eye fr
Or a small used car
That's not the point though
So buy a used car. Pay $100 annually to keep it registered and legal. Pay $50 a month for the required insurance. Pay $50 a month for gasoline to drive it. Pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars when something really needs fixed on it. Have you had a car repaired lately? Seems like it's always at LEAST $300 or $500 and up. See a trend here?
You could have saved me 5 minutes of my life by putting the price at the start.
Making bikes environmentally destructive. Nice.
purist lol
If it gets more people out of their cars and onto bikes it's still a massive net gain.
Better go live in a cave then lol
Just imagine if people got their lazy asses on a normal bike though. More education needs to go towards healthy living, and less technology needs to be created to enable laziness.
+Scribble Science I will never get out of my car!
Him: the bike could go up to 32 kilometres per hour.
Me: goes down the hill with bmx at 82 kilometres in wheelie
Even though I like technology, an electric bike is just a contradiction. The point of using them is because of what they're made of and how they work.
Contradiction? How's that? An electric bike is like being stronger. If it gets more people on bikes and out of their car, then it is great.
imaginarybrain Yeah, you got it
Like, adding all that stuff, specially a motor, is it still a bike? and bikes are supposed to be environment friendly. The batteries that are in these bikes are probably lithium batteries. Which of course take some drilling and shipping and factoring to get the sources and create the battery.
And a car that this replaces? Is that environmentally friendly or is this an improvement?
jollyandwaylo Are you saying that this can replace a car?
I want this bike! Bring to Brazil!
i don't understand... electric bikes are available with more powerful motors and batteries for cheaper. this is nice, but not innovative. it has nothing to do with tesla.
Electric bikes that you can trust, are about that plus the tracking feature is quite expensive if you add one to a bike in such a way that it can't be disabled or removed. The price is not outrageous.
I think the comparison they made was about the " S " .. Other than that, i don't see why they would compare them ^^
Lots of marketing and "cool" design is what this bike is really all about.
Not to mention he makes it very clear that he won't ever show us where the bike actually is, rather he will "start finding your bike ourselves, so it's not direct" and "HELP you" find it. So I have to rely on someone else to find the GPS on my $3k electric bike?
No thank you
man are there any regularly priced bikes with a frame like that? i really like the look
This video is pure propaganda, $3000? Tesla of bicycles??
Electric bicycles exist many years, the fact that these guys made another version with cool looks doesn't make them special.
Come to Israel, the street is packed with electric bikes (Chinese mostly) that cost less than a $1000, and will give you a range of 40 Km (far more than the average rider needs).
3gs seems about right. That thing is cool as hell!
Isn't this worse for the environment than normal biking? That makes it the opposite of the Tesla of biking IMO. It's a neat bike, but calling it the Tesla of biking just because it's electric seems inaccurate to me.
this is harmful to the environment in the exact ways that Tesla is except in a much smaller form factor so I think it's fair to call it that
+Alexander Victoria I guess you can look at it that way, but the analogy this:bikes::Tesla:cars certainly doesn't work.
+Alexander Victoria I feel like it would be better to call it the smart phone of bikes. Extra electronic features and has a bigger ecological footprint.
Woooo. love ROG
See it as a solution for people who would normally find their daily commute too far to do on a bike so instead they take a car. This bike will increase the range where people choose to hop on a bike instead of a car. Less cars, more bikes..
the "find my bike back" is not a free service by the way, it's a 1 or 3 year subscription
Why does Murica have an enormous different biking culture? In The Netherlands, it's just a bike... For Americans a car is holy I think. All these helmets and culture and things. It's a bike come on.
the fact the netherlands has 150 thousand kilometers of roads and america has 6.4 million might have something to do with it.
+fidelio I don't expect that Americans commute that much more than Dutch people. And you definitely don't drive from the west to east coast each day. So a bike in a urban area could be useful for Americans as well. And a fun fact: It appears that Dutch people are getting skinnier (instead of getting more obese) because of the many cycling miles... ( and did also contributes to this)
+Hilgo Mol food should be up in the last sentence
+Hilgo Mol You expect wrong, I'm afraid. Americans started to embrace cars en-masse from 1915 onward thanks to dirt-cheap petroleum and low population density. Outside the oldest cities, mass transit mostly died after the Second World War.
Ved, Why do they have a car then?
The only thing this has in common with the Tesla is its lack of affordability for many.
For 3000 you can buy a high end road bike with a power meter/ cycling computer
For 3 grand you can buy a basic moped from where I came from
I bought my 450cc motorcycle for $2000
Try riding that along the canal tow path then through the small track that goes into the back of your work cutting out ten miles of stop/go traffic.
Cheezsoup
For your situation it seems like a bike might be a better option but for me, motorcycle beats bicycle and car because you skip all the stop and go traffic by lane splitting.
Yes as you say horses for courses . It still surprises me watching some two wheeled video on UA-cam when they talk about the illegality of lane splitting.
"smart bike and stupid bike" such dutch humour hahaha
How sad people consider buying these bikes. A normal street bike, you know with gears, is all a man needs. These hipsters are trying so hard to be different they are propping up an electric assisted fixed gear industry like the tools they are.
An electric bike gets me to work and back, which is 65km each day. I couldn't do that on a normal bike, and public transport would take the same time while costing just as much. Good for me, good for the environment, one less car on the road.
what does fixed gear have to do with this bike - its barely even a true single speed with the electric boost.
64 years old i rode over 300 miles on my ebike last year in 2 months if I rode my regular bike I would have rode half that. These bikes shown hear are a bit too pricy for me and no shocks only goes 21 miles an hour . I have a bulls bike that has shocks an goes 28 mph and goes way farther not much more money. The designer is so happy with his bikes it shows good job just bring the price down if he wants to sell any as he has tons of competition at much cheaper price. I think the designer wants to make an ebike that looks like a regular bike this is done at a big cost an lack of features. This stolen bike thing is a joke as cops could give a crap about getting your stuff back they have crimes to solve tickets to write donuts to eat.
Interesting....it's typically the hipsters who are gunning for the standard bike, not the other way around.
420 watt hours? Best in the industry? Last year around this time, I added a Bafang kit to my touring bike; I selected the 52 volt, 24 Ah battery. This is 1248 watt hours! It would do 38mph on flat roads with no wind. Total cost was about as much as the high end model SmartBike, but it had triple the power and range.
Silly that you have to call in to them if the bike is stolen.
If I were an investor, this may not be the right company but it's the right idea. Being able to know where all your products are at anytime after point of sale is key to the growth of the idea, product and company. Integrate that data with other data points and you know everything you need to know about your customers.
lol you can buy a scooter or a motorcycle for that price
Or the bracelet of a rolex...
his foot position looks like he is new to the concept of riding on a bike
damn...people get lazier and lazier, the purpose of a bike is to pedal your own way completely manpowered, not be assisted like you're disabled. I wouldn't call it smartbike, i'd call it lazybike.
You sound like someone who has never ridden an ebike. If you live in a flat area, it makes little difference. But, if you live in a very hilly area like I do, it makes the difference between riding and pushing your bike up a long steep hill. That's nobody's idea of fun or even practical.
+Dan Sanger true that! I dont think this should be marketed to people just biking on flat terrain then? I feel like society will adobt this and get more lazy and less active. But I do understand that in order for it to get cheaper and more affordable for people who actually do need it for hills, more people must buy. Its a integrative world between gas scooters and bicycles i guess, but as a hardcore cyclist, i still hate the idea. And ofcourse we classics will just be ignored and the next generation will innovate and move on just like internet did.
i live in a very hilly town in super hot california you grow muscle over time now i dont even sweat when i cruz around town anymore just ride your bike every day youll have no problem
As a hardcore cyclist, do you understand that there are also not hardcore cyclists? And commuting is for everyone?
yea but think like this, you could go normal speed with less energy...or, you can go super fast with normal energy. If I had this bike id be pedaling hard and using the assist to fly down the road lol
Why would I need an electric bike? the only fuel I need is an almond croissant.
$2000 - $3000?!!!!
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...SMH!!
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NO THANKS!!
U can KEEP IT !!
Buy a regular 2nd handed Van Moof. Mine was 2 months old and it cost me 280 euros. So, you don't get the smart features nor a battery, but it gets the job done, just like a 2000 dollar/euro model and with the exact same comfort.
Just buy a good locker.
Some mountain bikes are more than $7000
The bike Still gonna get yeeted but the thief’s just gonna disable the tracker lol
hahahahah nobody going to pay that
You are so wrong. Right now you can get $4k bikes with Bosch mid-drives from Trek, Cannondale, Felt, Giant, and about twenty other brands and tons of people are happy to pay for them. Then there's the $10k Stromer, a top seller in the industry.
Come to holland. You'll be amazed how many people will proof you're wrong.
but this bike here is totaly overpriced, i can get it for a hi end electric city bike but here the components are low qualitiy, not even hydrolic brakes...
Buy yourself a Byocycle city speed,£650 folds to fit in most cars,solid built,good for the price!
Awesome, one of the better ones yet
Sorry toooo expensive.
Wait till they're popular enough and China will pirate the bikes and sell 'em at 200 bucks
Don't forget the extra cost of the exchangeable battery every 2 years. Also all the hustle to find a compatible battery since the company wont be making them forever .
Glad to see you riding around Downtown Brooklyn, Ill be looking. LMAO
A bicycle should not cost more than a smartphone.
***** WTF is a kilo of electricity?
That makes no sense.
A smartphone should not cost more than a bike
Which one? Siggen is right, and so is Oki
Lol, I have a 55 euro used bicycle, but some people here in Belgium and certainly in the Netherlands ride their bikes on a daily basis. 700- 800 euro is the minimum price for a decent daily driver. For a lot of people a bicycle isn't only a way of transportation, cycling is something they do in their free time
If you buy one second hand .. do they still replace it if it gets stolen?
I'll invest in it in the hopes that the price goes down a bit like there's cars that are cheaper than that bike.
This is so much nicer than the bulky batteries electric bikes usually have! And I love the safety mechanisms. Can it be transferred so you can resell them when you want an upgrade? How long until you need to replace them? How many miles?
An extremely integrated look, even concealing the battery, which normally when concealed, looks like an oversized down tube. Only personal preference for me would be the desire for a sloping top tube. Once I got used to the sloping top tube on my mountain bike (first on my vintage Klein), I can't go back to the intrusive horizontal top tube.
And here I am with my 1980's beast.