Hi this comment is important to address a few things that I felt were unclear in the video, so be sure to read it. First off, Mountain of Faith only has the sound effect for Graze, not the visual effect. I just assumed with one there, the other would be as well, because why wouldn't it? Second with Mountain of Faith's Difficulty. I said it was "unknown why it was changed but probably because it was a reboot of sorts" I actually meant why it was changed from 6 Stages to 5, but it comes off as me saying it's unknown why it went from 5 Stages to 6 due to being a soft reboot, which doesn't make much sense. Next with Violet Detector, as you might know, Death Cancel is a mechanic in the final game, and is an auto activation with 100% Camera charge. I should've specified that the scrapped bit was on the manual use, as well as the stages that would require them, but I blanketed it all with "scrapped as a whole" which sounds like the mechanic doesn't exist in any way. Now regarding Ebisu. Some characters have had spelling errors, like Eternity, and in Narumi's case, her name changed from Naruko in the trial. Marisa refers to Narumi with this name, which was likely an oversight, and the trial name became a nickname for Narumi for Marisa. Ebisu is a weird case, as her name is clearly Youka in the Trial, however the name graphic on her introduction on her art says Eika. I'm not sure what happened here at all. Lastly, for the "Reigeki" option. I said ZUN may have considered the ability to manually activate and release Roaring Mode. You can already manually release Roaring Mode, it's tied to the bomb button, I was more so referring to an additonal button in a similar way to how TD has Trance and HSiFS has Season Release. Sorry for the long comment and apologies for the possible confusion. Also, here's the image of Joon's Sprites I used, since I forgot to include them in the description, then realized I ran out of room oops www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/touhouhyouibanaantinomyofcommonflowers/ EXTRA EDIT so it turns out that in HRtP, the unused track, Shrine of the Wind, was set to play in the unused stages by the creator of the English patch, and doesn't play in the original version. Here's a video on the debug menu and stages that shows that proper. Sorry for the mix up! ua-cam.com/video/7Uyg5wqEJPk/v-deo.html
@@palameno I think most game developers do this, especially ones that don't use engines or templates made by other people. Essentially, previous game becomes the framework to build on. Though I thought that MoF was the moment when ZUN rewrote the engine completely from scratch, apparently it wasn't exactly true, or this piece of unused graphic is used by ZUN as a general-purpose placeholder of sorts - sky's the limit for the speculations
Considering the "What if?" of Satsuki Rin is really interesting. Imagine if the dynamic duo of Reimu and Marisa was actually trio? It's interesting to think of how one of the core elements of the series could have been completely changed if Rin made it in.
well. Mystic Square had a character quartet actually. •Reimu as homing shot •Marisa as concentred shot •Mima as fast fire shot •Yuuka as spread shot too bad that quartet never got a chance to continue forward (especially Mima, who got stuck in the 98 era).
It’s not really about playable characters, it’s more about how Marisa and Reimu have basically been the main characters since the third game (and Reimu since the first). They’re an iconic duo and it’s interesting to imagine that Rin Satsuki could have been just as popular as them! Especially given her current status.
I think the impact could've been much bigger than that and affected the whole series, even the games being made. It surely would've influenced the choice in playable characters in later games and could've influenced the aspects they connect to lore-wise like certain areas or species. For many games ZUN likes to have at least one playable character that already has a connection to newly introduced characters, locations or any aspect really. Take TH18 for example. It's basically MoF 2 but would it even be a thing if Sanae never had become a playable character?
AspreyFM: [Finds an unused midboss resembling Rumia with no fanarts ever done] AspreyFM: [Proceeds to commission artists for research purposes] Truly genius, indeed.
Stage 4 of Imperishable night is already one of the most iconic stages in the series but imagine how crazy it would have been had ZUN actually made Sakuya and Youmu bosses like he had wanted to.
If Satsuki Rin actually made it into the game she would probably the nurse characters that fret over Reimu and Marisa everytime they come back from resolving an incident.
2:53 *X_COUNT* is a common idiom for C enums. If no explicit values are assigned, an enum's first member (i.e. *RANK_EASY)* has a value of 0, and each subsequent member increases by one *(RANK_NORMAL* = 1, *RANK_HARD* = 2, etc.). Incidentally, the value of each member is equal to the number of members that precede it. *RANK_COUNT* is just a meta value that represents the number of valid difficulties, likely intended for use in loops, size calculation, or bounds checking.
8:20, that line has led to a common fan theory that Rin Satsuki was some sort of Nurse, I'm surprised you didn't mention it, but I do assume you had that line to quietly reference it.
on Rin, one source of speculation is that she was a nurse or something because like at 8:19 in the background gameplay, Marisa ponders if she should have pretended to be a nurse, so some people take that as a leftover concept from Rin.
Did you know that zun originally was going to put Okina Matara in a wheelchair because he wanted to mention those who were physically disabled but eventually decided against it because he felt like that the tone of the game did not fit his idea.
I could be wrong but I heard he didn’t go through with the idea because he was unsure if he would be able to do it respectfully. But after encouragement from fans, Okina is seen using a wheelchair in the manga.
Im stuck between thinking putting a character in a wheelchair when they can already fucking fly is just goofy, but on the other hand disabled pussy do hit diff, and Im not just biased because it means you can use the handicapped parking spaces when on dates.
It feels weird learning of the Sakuya/Youmou fight was almost a thing AFTER seeing MinusT teasing it as the next part of their Imperishable Nights animations.
If I'm not mistaken, the Twilight Frontier devs wanted Momiji to appear in SWR as Aya's partner in one of her spellcards but was scrapped due to ZUN revealing about the feud between Aya and Momiji.
Yeah. Even now apparently people use the term "AyaMomi shock" to describe when ZUN goes in a completely different direction from the fandom. Other examples include Satori giving herself an 11/10 as opposed to being a self-loathing moe type, and Flandre actually being very sane and smart in Detective Satori (all her immature insanity is pretty much kayfabe)
Technically almost all spinoff-introduced characters are Waluigi, considering how rare it is for characters to return in mainline games(even if they arguably should, instead of adding characters that didn't need to exist otherwise)
It sounds like the ground fighter rosters were based more on the desires of the dev team, and then the air fighter rosters were based more on what ZUN wanted. Certainly explains why the 13.5 roster is so weird.
Still amazed that the ending to the "Moriya Shrine Conspiracy" had the Moriya Shrine effectively just sitting there eating chips the whole time (well, okay they were working on the ropeway, but still)
So Shion is effectively the Waluigi of Touhou. Brought in to compliment a main character and becoming a fan(?) favorite Fun little factoids, I'm salty Clownpiece didn't make it into to AoCF though
It's fascinating just how much more you can learn about this series even after what already seems like mountains of information. Thanks for compiling all of these neat tidbits for us trivia enthusiasts.
I don't know how true this is, but apparently in Urban Legend in Limbo, there's a folder named "Hanako" with three silhouetted sprites of Sumireko, possibly an earlier name for her? 25:03 also, rude
I absolutely love your content! Well thought out, interesting, and entertaining. So much of my Touhou UA-cam feed is just memes, gameplay, or music. (Not throwing shade at those. I enjoy them too.) But I feel Touhou is missing the long essay styled content. And your videos really scratch that itch. Keep up the great work!
One more unused music from PCB 08. 過去の花 ～ Fairy of Flower (04:57) Flower of Past Days ~ Fairy of Flower original title: 過去の花 ～ Fairy of Flower source: 東方妖々夢 ～ Perfect Cherry Blossom (Unused Track) From Ghostly Field Club. "ZUN included an unused track in Ghostly Field Club titled Flower of Past Days ~ Fairy of Flower, possibly meant for Stage 4."
I think the unused EoSD midboss at 7:15 might be Rumia wearing a crown of thorns, which would fit with her holding her arms out to look like a crucified saint.
I hope that Kaguya will be playable in a fighting game one day! Also it would be cool if Zun will include Rin Satsuki in a future game! I wonder how she would've looked in Touhou 6. Anyway, I didn't know about much of the stuff from this video. You did a good job!
Actually Eika's name was also Eika in the trial (omake), it was just Youka in the top right text which was probably a typo (the first kanji used in her first name can be read "ei" or "you"). Also I'm glad you brought up that the Circle Cut girl wasn't actually "Rin Satsuki". Rin was supposed to be a kirin and kirins are like dragon horses with unicorn horns. We are constantly robbed of cool fan art interpretations of what she could actually look like by the Circle Cut girl lmao.
So the little tease at the end of minust’s new animation could have been a real part of IN and not just something that will be neat to see in a fanwork. Really subtle attention to detail there
I think I have a slight ideas what the "count" means. It's basically the code for checking how many valid difficulties are there. Terraria's code does this a lot especially with items, projectiles and npcs.
I LOVE the trial versions of "The Fantastic Tales of Tono" and "The Doll Maker of Bucuresti". The lower pitch somehow makes it more emotional and nostalgic to me.
20:56 About that, the same happens with Okina's second spell in stage 6, she moves after 10,000 waves lmao The unused portraits start to become really common after touhou 14, for example, Junko and Saki have an angry expression that they never use. The explanation about Sagume being only testing the player might be plausible, but not the lengthy dialogue, mostly after having seen ExOkina's defeat dialogue, and the fact ZUN made it possible to put different expressions on the defeated portraits from th17 onwards. 26:16 This reminds me people mentioned that a "Disable" text is unused in the touhou 16 UI, they believe it was supposed to be used during the Okina final 26:00 *sigh* so he DID plan for the roar break button to be mappable somewhere else!
Another aspect of semi-unused content- there's a chiptune remix of candid friend in HM's files and spotify ost release, but not in the actual game. It's pretty nice!
Not so much "cut content" but more of a bug... There was the "shoplifting glitch" in the first demo of Unconnected Marketeers, where you could reload the shop screen by pausing, even after choosing an item. Repeatedly. So you could stock up on gold and buy multiple support cards and be grossly overpowered (and pray the game didn't crash)
UFO has another more interesting demo difference, the PIV system was overhauled after the original demo. Some of the differences between 0.01 and the final game are: -Lunatic started with 50,000 PIV in 0.01 instead of 20,000 in the final game (all other difficulties are the same in both versions) -Collecting any token at any time in 0.01 increased PIV by 250 instead of the 1,000 PIV increase only when collected during an active summon in the final game -Bullets couldn't be grazed immediately when spawned in 0.01, they could in the final game These changes ended up completely changing UFO's score routing, a lot of the big grazes wouldn't be possible, and throwing away tokens would be almost completely worthless so the game would be more about using all the tokens to spawn *something* all the time instead of the fewer, bigger summons we do see in score runs, it wouldn't at all have been the same game for scoring if it had kept the original PIV system.
I definitely didn't notice the intricacies of the scoring difference, and this was a version that I wasn't able to play myself, unlike with PCB. I'm also more familiar with PCB mechanics in general so I noticed them, even if they're way more obvious to a casual than UFOs. The only footage I could find of 0.01 is what I used, I'm just thankful they grabbed an extra life at all so I could show it, because they redid their whole playthrough for the 3rd stage
A little bit of a "sort of" unused thing in MOF. In Touhou 6-8, there is a system called "rank" (most of you probably know this) that affects the difficulty of bullet patterns, and it was removed in MOF... mostly. There is rank in the game, but it only affects one attack, Shizuha Aki's second non-spell on easy and normal.
There's a theory that Satsuki Rin was supposed to be a nurse. That's because after Marisa gets called out for using Reimu's identity before fighting Flandre, she said that next time she'll say she's a nurse. That could imply she was talking about using Satsuki's identity.
Didn't know Sakuya vs Youmu was supposed to be a thing in Touhou 8, i guess this is where MinusT got the idea for this matchup that's going to happen in the next video (if you're reading this in the future maybe it already happened).
3:00 - "Count" is usually a little enum hack for old programming languages that did not automatically have a way to get the number of elements in an enum (basically a list of options in a drop down menu). Because an enum is just a number with a name associated with it for humans to read, you can make the last number "count" and then you can always know how large the list of elements is without manually typing it.
Highly Responsive to Prayers has two unused attacking sprites. Story of Eastern Wonderland has unused staff roll pictures with strange coloring. Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream has purple enemies at their two smallest sizes that end up never being included in any enemy formations. Same goes for the smallest size blue enemy. In Mystic Square there's unused character portrait art for Mima. Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler both have unused bonuses that would've been awarded after taking photos. Lonely Shot, Miss Shot, Counter Flash! and Geometric! in StB. In DS the same unused bonus exist, but also !Debug! and Oyaji Bonus. Both games also have unused character sprites and character portrait art. Great Fairy Wars also has unused character portrait art.
Who would even fill the niche of the video recording gimmick if it isn't Sumireko? I know you really don't like her but just making a new character for that gimmick would be lame when Sumireko is pretty amusing for how much of a dork with a superiority complex she is.
I was actually thinking more of a Tengu technology advancement (new photo game) than a whole new character who's ability is to record videos. I wonder what a character like that would even be like
Yeah, "Not many people care for this game" and him just outright saying he'd rather not see her again felt very out of place. Who cares about what he likes or doesn't like? Just focus on showing the content.
@@Lashteen I mean I think it's fine to throw a couple of opinions in there for spice. Otherwise it's just a dry video full of facts and no character. I wanna know that the person behind the screen is their own person with their own likes and dislikes.
Personally, I don't think it was a touhou "unused content" bit, but I remember seeing a video a few years ago of a sound test thing in story of eastern wonderland. I don't remember what the guy entered, but he pressed quit and proceeded to type some lines into the prompt. It then played a sound test that was like 10+ minutes long, and was unnerving at that. The video has been deleted since to my knowledge. Just thought I'd mention it lol.
@@oddhate No idea. All I know is that the same screen the dude accessed is accessible through pressing quit on most-if-not all the pc98 games through neko project II. I used the npw21 version, and i got the same terminal screen. All I know is most of the stuff was japanese, but the guy typed in english characters. I think it had yuma in the name or something. I could be wrong though. I saw this like 4-5 years ago.
Late to the conversation, could it be that the command he sent might have overlapped multiple files? That's one way to explain how to get unexplainable garbage...
I think MoF having 5 stages was 100% a callback to SoEW, just like the Japanese title (Fujinroku for MoF and Fumaroku for SoEW. The Kanji are different in the original, but the readings are very similar)
Speaking of the Phantasm stage in IN, I *swear* I saw somewhere that there was a named unused character like Rin Satsuki whose name was (I forgot the first name) Izayoi and she was going to be the Phantasm boss in IN, but I can't find it anywhere
I know what you're thinking of, and what it is is that the kanji used for the "Phantasm" stage is the same one used in Sakuya's name, hence "Izayoi" a possible theory is Sakuya was related to the Phantasm stage, which has a bit of credibility to it with how Sakuya interacts with the full moon in the Final Stages, and some of Eirin's comments, that never actually go anywhere.
I love that thprac lets you play through some of the unused spells, and the other spells/bosses locked by shot type. Now everyone gets to experience the Mercury Poisoning that Rin Satsuki would've caught
I am surprised that the Midi Music from Flower View's trial was left out. To think that we could have had Midis of Aya, Medicine, Yuuka, Komachi, and Shikieiki is pretty interesting had ZUN decided to keep everyone elses midis in the final game.
10:12 I have so many things I want to ask ZUN about, and that is one of them. Why'd he change it? Almost certainly he changed it when he decided to connect the Phantasm boss to Merry Hearn, the CD protagonist, but which came first: Merry or Yukari?
7:43 a statement which was never actually sourced beyond “ZUN said” It’d also be the only circle cut to have NOTHING to do with what ZUN is bringing, so I’m skeptical.
good job on the video, however a small correction on the shrine of the wind thing, the unused stages in the japanese version of the game play no music, the song can be only accessed through the music test menu
Another thing that went unused was that Tenshi was originally going to have animated cloud patterns on her dress (Similar to Okuu's cape). This was scrapped but Zun drew it on Tenshi's design for an Atlanta convention in 2013. Touhou 9.8 being changed to Touhou 10.5 was most likely done to fit the timeline better, with Touhou 10.5 no longer happening before 10. Why? Probably has to do with Youkai Mountain or Aya maybe. Also, I loved the story of 16.5 and Sumireko grew on me.
10:15 Never heard of this before, fascinating! I wonder if ZUN had a different idea in mind for Yukari given the different meaning in Suzukaze compared to Yakumo.
One thing I noticed about one of Reisen's unused palettes is that it may actually have been reused in a sense, with Lost Word. Specifically the Lunatic Space Youkai variant of Reisen where she has blond hair. Given Lost Word's themes of alternate timelines and aspects of the universe going missing, a part of me hopes that some of the unused content does find a sort of new life in Lost Word.
I like to imagine that Satsuki Rin is somehow capable of manipulating cut content (nonexistence/abandoned/or forgotten things). Could be a good excuse to bring back old characters/things to the main story.
man i cant believe that if the 12.3 roaster would have went after ZUNs plans that we would have had almost the entire Team 9 in there. A big loss indeed
9:21 they arent "unused" its just the midi versions of the songs. ok stage 3 yeah its lower pitched than the midi and wav but im sure stage 2 is still pitched like that in the midi
Wow, I didnt know about the secret unlock code OR the 3rd Eosd character, I though I knew alot about touhou but it turns out that I've still yet to scratch the surface
every game after DDC the shot type is the same file, i like how reimu still have the gohei in UM also an insane amount of leftovers is in the game, stuff like wbawc ending in UM files, same thing for lolk. also lolk had in mind a practice start (ddc leftover)
i kinda wish that there was more unused content on the new games,but i guess that the better you become as a developer,the less unused stuff you leave.
I'm wondering why was Rin Satsuki gonna be a 1st Playable New Windows Character, if she wasn't from the PC-98 ERA like Reimu and Marisa and neither has a pc-98 counterpart.
my theory for Satsuki Rin is that she is a prototype of one of Yukaris shikigami, this is based on two things, first is simply that her name sounds like Rin, which could have became Ran or could have been Chen was originally suppose to have similar sounding name to her master, the more substantial piece of evidence is that her name contains "Kirin" which are a creatures said to herald the arrival of a great sage, and who would the very next game introduce? everyone's second favorite yokai sage Yukari, and from comments from Zun about how he was already planning to make Sakuya playable even before EoSD was finished we knew he was already thinking ahead to the next game, a bit more of a stretch but its also theorized from some of Marisas dialogue that Rin was going to be a nurse, which could be synchronizing Kirins and Unicorns to give her an association with healing, and would somewhat fit Ran being the caretaker of the frequently bedridden Yukari(though at least in the final version shes only bedridden because she sleeps so much, rather then poor health) ultimately if this was the case it would make sense for her to be cut, touhous not big on story so there wouldent be much opportunity to set up her working for some mysterious benefactor, which would make both her inclusion and her suddenly working for the bad guys in the next game feel random and out of left field
Counterpoint, a common theme with the names were that they were all named after colours, and partially inspired by the colours of light as well as the Japanese colour-based rank system. There’s not really any room for the pairing to work given the references ZUN used (except maybe as Chen’s shikigami, lol) and there’s not much to back up why Yukari would be bedridden originally.
I wonder if Urban legend in limbo had some content that got scrapped too?... Actually, i wonder if the other materials (the manga, the novels and the cd dramas) also has some unused content or scrapped material too?
kinda sad how 90% of the contents discussed in this video are not documented in The Cutting Room Floor. TCRF articles are mostly just about full unlock codes...
oh hey, HSiFS wasn't originally meant to force you to go through an EXTRA stage just to get any sort of a closure to the story, and instead encouraged playing the main game more rather than jarringly telling any type of player (including the people who do easy 1cc's) to shut up and do EXTRA. the PCB's cut content is the most interesting to me, as the older portraits, the way the earlier demos play slightly differently and the unused Prismriver nonspell would make the game better for me.
Hi this comment is important to address a few things that I felt were unclear in the video, so be sure to read it.
First off, Mountain of Faith only has the sound effect for Graze, not the visual effect. I just assumed with one there, the other would be as well, because why wouldn't it?
Second with Mountain of Faith's Difficulty. I said it was "unknown why it was changed but probably because it was a reboot of sorts" I actually meant why it was changed from 6 Stages to 5, but it comes off as me saying it's unknown why it went from 5 Stages to 6 due to being a soft reboot, which doesn't make much sense.
Next with Violet Detector, as you might know, Death Cancel is a mechanic in the final game, and is an auto activation with 100% Camera charge. I should've specified that the scrapped bit was on the manual use, as well as the stages that would require them, but I blanketed it all with "scrapped as a whole" which sounds like the mechanic doesn't exist in any way.
Now regarding Ebisu. Some characters have had spelling errors, like Eternity, and in Narumi's case, her name changed from Naruko in the trial. Marisa refers to Narumi with this name, which was likely an oversight, and the trial name became a nickname for Narumi for Marisa. Ebisu is a weird case, as her name is clearly Youka in the Trial, however the name graphic on her introduction on her art says Eika. I'm not sure what happened here at all.
Lastly, for the "Reigeki" option. I said ZUN may have considered the ability to manually activate and release Roaring Mode. You can already manually release Roaring Mode, it's tied to the bomb button, I was more so referring to an additonal button in a similar way to how TD has Trance and HSiFS has Season Release.
Sorry for the long comment and apologies for the possible confusion. Also, here's the image of Joon's Sprites I used, since I forgot to include them in the description, then realized I ran out of room oops www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/touhouhyouibanaantinomyofcommonflowers/
EXTRA EDIT so it turns out that in HRtP, the unused track, Shrine of the Wind, was set to play in the unused stages by the creator of the English patch, and doesn't play in the original version. Here's a video on the debug menu and stages that shows that proper. Sorry for the mix up! ua-cam.com/video/7Uyg5wqEJPk/v-deo.html
hey asprey by editing your comment you unpinned it
6:50
Narumi is sill called Naruko in the full game since her first appearance is in said full game.
you also didn't mention that Sagume's battle can be skipped if you clear the first wave of Yin-yang Orbs
Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿
"Leftover assets happen a lot"
Fun fact: modern games still have the PCB border graphic in the files.
oh... how does that happend?
@@eeeithan6588 i think he re-uses the last games template? that’s what i heard
not really template but he just uses the last game as a base i THINK
Jeez
@@palameno I think most game developers do this, especially ones that don't use engines or templates made by other people. Essentially, previous game becomes the framework to build on. Though I thought that MoF was the moment when ZUN rewrote the engine completely from scratch, apparently it wasn't exactly true, or this piece of unused graphic is used by ZUN as a general-purpose placeholder of sorts - sky's the limit for the speculations
Test Player: "This Junko pattern is actually pretty good."
ZUN: "Thank you for the bug report."
Zun the biggest troll yet
Major bruh moment
Real
Can't spell "Junko" without "junk"
Considering the "What if?" of Satsuki Rin is really interesting. Imagine if the dynamic duo of Reimu and Marisa was actually trio? It's interesting to think of how one of the core elements of the series could have been completely changed if Rin made it in.
well. Mystic Square had a character quartet actually.
•Reimu as homing shot
•Marisa as concentred shot
•Mima as fast fire shot
•Yuuka as spread shot
too bad that quartet never got a chance to continue forward (especially Mima, who got stuck in the 98 era).
It’s not really about playable characters, it’s more about how Marisa and Reimu have basically been the main characters since the third game (and Reimu since the first). They’re an iconic duo and it’s interesting to imagine that Rin Satsuki could have been just as popular as them! Especially given her current status.
I think the impact could've been much bigger than that and affected the whole series, even the games being made. It surely would've influenced the choice in playable characters in later games and could've influenced the aspects they connect to lore-wise like certain areas or species. For many games ZUN likes to have at least one playable character that already has a connection to newly introduced characters, locations or any aspect really. Take TH18 for example. It's basically MoF 2 but would it even be a thing if Sanae never had become a playable character?
🎵 -sonic- touhou heroes🎵 🎵 -sonic- touhou heroes🎵
think of the doujins....
TFW you tell Shanghai to play the drums and you forget about her in the recording room
SHE'S OFF THE SHITS
"Shanghai? Are you still..."
Shanghai for 12 minutes:
RELEASE ME
Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿
@@Shanghai-Doll-With-a-Hat Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿
i like how satsuki rin was given a name but koakuma, a character actually in the game, had no name
And daiyousei too
@@Wei-HsuLin Stage 1 midboss: "Y'all are getting fannames?"
They form a perfect harmony - characters without names and a name without a character
AspreyFM: [Finds an unused midboss resembling Rumia with no fanarts ever done]
AspreyFM: [Proceeds to commission artists for research purposes]
Truly genius, indeed.
truth: that midboss is actually Rumia.
she taunts you before her true boss fight telling you that you already met her a bit earlier
Stage 4 of Imperishable night is already one of the most iconic stages in the series but imagine how crazy it would have been had ZUN actually made Sakuya and Youmu bosses like he had wanted to.
Oh god skukuy wouldve been so cringe
@@FishGamingReal Youmu waylaying Sakuya and Remi going shopping and dueling them over who gets to buy the last blood pudding
My disappointment was immeasurable when I heard that Wriggle AND Kaguya were both cut characters from 12.3. Actually, beyond immeasurable.
You can play as Kaguya in Soku with a Soku2 mod
@@kipni82 but its not The same
I would have been so happy to see more wriggle rep, I hope some day she gets reused
The idea of Alice flexing on Raiko by pulling off a 12 minute drum solo is an amusing one to me
If Satsuki Rin actually made it into the game she would probably the nurse characters that fret over Reimu and Marisa everytime they come back from resolving an incident.
absolutely devastated by the fact that we didn’t get sumireko taking tactical selfies in VD
Meanwhile I'm absolutely relieved that she didn't become a TikTok user
2:53
*X_COUNT* is a common idiom for C enums. If no explicit values are assigned, an enum's first member (i.e. *RANK_EASY)* has a value of 0, and each subsequent member increases by one *(RANK_NORMAL* = 1, *RANK_HARD* = 2, etc.). Incidentally, the value of each member is equal to the number of members that precede it. *RANK_COUNT* is just a meta value that represents the number of valid difficulties, likely intended for use in loops, size calculation, or bounds checking.
I really want to see art of Alice tearing up some drums now. Girl has a real talent to go that hard for 12 minutes after the song ends.
8:20, that line has led to a common fan theory that Rin Satsuki was some sort of Nurse, I'm surprised you didn't mention it, but I do assume you had that line to quietly reference it.
I'm now thinking about Sumireko making TikTok videos being something so goddamn in-character
on Rin, one source of speculation is that she was a nurse or something because like at 8:19 in the background gameplay, Marisa ponders if she should have pretended to be a nurse, so some people take that as a leftover concept from Rin.
People also say Satsuki Rin is a Kirin (maybe a nurse?) due her name
Satsu(ki Rin)
Did you know that zun originally was going to put Okina Matara in a wheelchair because he wanted to mention those who were physically disabled but eventually decided against it because he felt like that the tone of the game did not fit his idea.
Never knew, it would be cool if she was in one though.
She is in a wheelchair in official Manga though
I could be wrong but I heard he didn’t go through with the idea because he was unsure if he would be able to do it respectfully. But after encouragement from fans, Okina is seen using a wheelchair in the manga.
Im stuck between thinking putting a character in a wheelchair when they can already fucking fly is just goofy, but on the other hand disabled pussy do hit diff, and Im not just biased because it means you can use the handicapped parking spaces when on dates.
It feels weird learning of the Sakuya/Youmou fight was almost a thing AFTER seeing MinusT teasing it as the next part of their Imperishable Nights animations.
If I'm not mistaken, the Twilight Frontier devs wanted Momiji to appear in SWR as Aya's partner in one of her spellcards but was scrapped due to ZUN revealing about the feud between Aya and Momiji.
Sometimes we can not listen to ZUN and disregard his wrong opinions on this game he created.
Yeah. Even now apparently people use the term "AyaMomi shock" to describe when ZUN goes in a completely different direction from the fandom. Other examples include Satori giving herself an 11/10 as opposed to being a self-loathing moe type, and Flandre actually being very sane and smart in Detective Satori (all her immature insanity is pretty much kayfabe)
Wait, so shion exists because joon needed a partner?
This reminds me of how waluigi came into existence
SHION IS THE WALUIGI OF TOUHOU
Hey man, any justification for poverty hobo gf is good enough for me
Technically almost all spinoff-introduced characters are Waluigi, considering how rare it is for characters to return in mainline games(even if they arguably should, instead of adding characters that didn't need to exist otherwise)
It sounds like the ground fighter rosters were based more on the desires of the dev team, and then the air fighter rosters were based more on what ZUN wanted. Certainly explains why the 13.5 roster is so weird.
Still amazed that the ending to the "Moriya Shrine Conspiracy" had the Moriya Shrine effectively just sitting there eating chips the whole time (well, okay they were working on the ropeway, but still)
So Shion is effectively the Waluigi of Touhou. Brought in to compliment a main character and becoming a fan(?) favorite
Fun little factoids, I'm salty Clownpiece didn't make it into to AoCF though
And the partner to a greedy, money-obsessed character with heavy yellows in their palette.
The 12 minutes of Alice's theme solo drumming though. That's definitely not a mistake. Maybe ZUN needed to hear it on repeat to confirm things.
I guess the only mistake was not deleting the data once the final version was finished, to be fair
It's fascinating just how much more you can learn about this series even after what already seems like mountains of information. Thanks for compiling all of these neat tidbits for us trivia enthusiasts.
I don't know how true this is, but apparently in Urban Legend in Limbo, there's a folder named "Hanako" with three silhouetted sprites of Sumireko, possibly an earlier name for her?
25:03 also, rude
I absolutely love your content! Well thought out, interesting, and entertaining. So much of my Touhou UA-cam feed is just memes, gameplay, or music. (Not throwing shade at those. I enjoy them too.) But I feel Touhou is missing the long essay styled content. And your videos really scratch that itch. Keep up the great work!
mountains of faith
One more unused music from PCB
08. 過去の花 ～ Fairy of Flower (04:57)
Flower of Past Days ~ Fairy of Flower
original title: 過去の花 ～ Fairy of Flower
source: 東方妖々夢 ～ Perfect Cherry Blossom (Unused Track)
From Ghostly Field Club.
"ZUN included an unused track in Ghostly Field Club titled Flower of Past Days ~ Fairy of Flower, possibly meant for Stage 4."
I think the unused EoSD midboss at 7:15 might be Rumia wearing a crown of thorns, which would fit with her holding her arms out to look like a crucified saint.
I hope that Kaguya will be playable in a fighting game one day! Also it would be cool if Zun will include Rin Satsuki in a future game! I wonder how she would've looked in Touhou 6.
Anyway, I didn't know about much of the stuff from this video. You did a good job!
Actually Eika's name was also Eika in the trial (omake), it was just Youka in the top right text which was probably a typo (the first kanji used in her first name can be read "ei" or "you").
Also I'm glad you brought up that the Circle Cut girl wasn't actually "Rin Satsuki". Rin was supposed to be a kirin and kirins are like dragon horses with unicorn horns. We are constantly robbed of cool fan art interpretations of what she could actually look like by the Circle Cut girl lmao.
So Rin Satsuki was gonna be an early Yachie?
Zun: hmm integral precise bomb timings make for an unfun game, let's remove it.
JynX: Haha.... yeah....
So the little tease at the end of minust’s new animation could have been a real part of IN and not just something that will be neat to see in a fanwork. Really subtle attention to detail there
I think I have a slight ideas what the "count" means. It's basically the code for checking how many valid difficulties are there. Terraria's code does this a lot especially with items, projectiles and npcs.
Omg never expected to see a terratia fan here.
Ello I'm also terratia fan,
I LOVE the trial versions of "The Fantastic Tales of Tono" and "The Doll Maker of Bucuresti". The lower pitch somehow makes it more emotional and nostalgic to me.
20:56 About that, the same happens with Okina's second spell in stage 6, she moves after 10,000 waves lmao
The unused portraits start to become really common after touhou 14, for example, Junko and Saki have an angry expression that they never use.
The explanation about Sagume being only testing the player might be plausible, but not the lengthy dialogue, mostly after having seen ExOkina's defeat dialogue, and the fact ZUN made it possible to put different expressions on the defeated portraits from th17 onwards.
26:16 This reminds me people mentioned that a "Disable" text is unused in the touhou 16 UI, they believe it was supposed to be used during the Okina final
26:00 *sigh* so he DID plan for the roar break button to be mappable somewhere else!
Another aspect of semi-unused content- there's a chiptune remix of candid friend in HM's files and spotify ost release, but not in the actual game. It's pretty nice!
where 2 find?
Not so much "cut content" but more of a bug... There was the "shoplifting glitch" in the first demo of Unconnected Marketeers, where you could reload the shop screen by pausing, even after choosing an item. Repeatedly. So you could stock up on gold and buy multiple support cards and be grossly overpowered (and pray the game didn't crash)
Marisa glitch
it is strangely poetic that the end of the immortals theme song never plays
UFO has another more interesting demo difference, the PIV system was overhauled after the original demo. Some of the differences between 0.01 and the final game are:
-Lunatic started with 50,000 PIV in 0.01 instead of 20,000 in the final game (all other difficulties are the same in both versions)
-Collecting any token at any time in 0.01 increased PIV by 250 instead of the 1,000 PIV increase only when collected during an active summon in the final game
-Bullets couldn't be grazed immediately when spawned in 0.01, they could in the final game
These changes ended up completely changing UFO's score routing, a lot of the big grazes wouldn't be possible, and throwing away tokens would be almost completely worthless so the game would be more about using all the tokens to spawn *something* all the time instead of the fewer, bigger summons we do see in score runs, it wouldn't at all have been the same game for scoring if it had kept the original PIV system.
I definitely didn't notice the intricacies of the scoring difference, and this was a version that I wasn't able to play myself, unlike with PCB. I'm also more familiar with PCB mechanics in general so I noticed them, even if they're way more obvious to a casual than UFOs. The only footage I could find of 0.01 is what I used, I'm just thankful they grabbed an extra life at all so I could show it, because they redid their whole playthrough for the 3rd stage
A little bit of a "sort of" unused thing in MOF.
In Touhou 6-8, there is a system called "rank" (most of you probably know this) that affects the difficulty of bullet patterns, and it was removed in MOF... mostly. There is rank in the game, but it only affects one attack, Shizuha Aki's second non-spell on easy and normal.
There's a theory that Satsuki Rin was supposed to be a nurse. That's because after Marisa gets called out for using Reimu's identity before fighting Flandre, she said that next time she'll say she's a nurse. That could imply she was talking about using Satsuki's identity.
Rumia beating up Yukari in a fighting game would indeed be absolutely hillarious
Didn't know Sakuya vs Youmu was supposed to be a thing in Touhou 8, i guess this is where MinusT got the idea for this matchup that's going to happen in the next video (if you're reading this in the future maybe it already happened).
I mean, doujins have showed the fight for more than a decade so MinusT certainly didn't come up with the idea.
@@seki108 I'm just referring to MinustT's videos itself, not that they came up with it.
@@mrhades113 Oops, sorry for misunderstanding. I'll blame it on me being half asleep at the time
3:00 - "Count" is usually a little enum hack for old programming languages that did not automatically have a way to get the number of elements in an enum (basically a list of options in a drop down menu). Because an enum is just a number with a name associated with it for humans to read, you can make the last number "count" and then you can always know how large the list of elements is without manually typing it.
I'm very guilty of the "12 minutes of drums" phenomenon when I write music too
I'm imagining Alice doing a sick drum solo
@ANueUtsuho Oh she must've gotten so into it that she didn't notice the band had already left
Highly Responsive to Prayers has two unused attacking sprites.
Story of Eastern Wonderland has unused staff roll pictures with strange coloring.
Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream has purple enemies at their two smallest sizes that end up never being included in any enemy formations. Same goes for the smallest size blue enemy.
In Mystic Square there's unused character portrait art for Mima.
Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler both have unused bonuses that would've been awarded after taking photos. Lonely Shot, Miss Shot, Counter Flash! and Geometric! in StB. In DS the same unused bonus exist, but also !Debug! and Oyaji Bonus. Both games also have unused character sprites and character portrait art.
Great Fairy Wars also has unused character portrait art.
Thanks
Damn, the lower pitched versions of the Touhou 7 music sounds downright eerie, almost like something that belonged in CTC
Hope that one day, CtC gets a spotlight on this channel.
Or at least gets a play through on stream.
Who would even fill the niche of the video recording gimmick if it isn't Sumireko? I know you really don't like her but just making a new character for that gimmick would be lame when Sumireko is pretty amusing for how much of a dork with a superiority complex she is.
I was actually thinking more of a Tengu technology advancement (new photo game) than a whole new character who's ability is to record videos. I wonder what a character like that would even be like
Yeah, "Not many people care for this game" and him just outright saying he'd rather not see her again felt very out of place. Who cares about what he likes or doesn't like? Just focus on showing the content.
@@AspreyFM Hatate has a phone, doesn't she? She seems like the perfect choice for that over the old-fashioned Aya.
@@Lashteen I mean I think it's fine to throw a couple of opinions in there for spice. Otherwise it's just a dry video full of facts and no character. I wanna know that the person behind the screen is their own person with their own likes and dislikes.
Personally, I don't think it was a touhou "unused content" bit, but I remember seeing a video a few years ago of a sound test thing in story of eastern wonderland. I don't remember what the guy entered, but he pressed quit and proceeded to type some lines into the prompt. It then played a sound test that was like 10+ minutes long, and was unnerving at that. The video has been deleted since to my knowledge. Just thought I'd mention it lol.
That's interesting. That method sounds really complicated if it was meant to be accessed normally at all. What kind of sound test was it?
@@oddhate No idea. All I know is that the same screen the dude accessed is accessible through pressing quit on most-if-not all the pc98 games through neko project II. I used the npw21 version, and i got the same terminal screen. All I know is most of the stuff was japanese, but the guy typed in english characters. I think it had yuma in the name or something. I could be wrong though. I saw this like 4-5 years ago.
Late to the conversation, could it be that the command he sent might have overlapped multiple files? That's one way to explain how to get unexplainable garbage...
Unused touhou music on the other hand boils down to LLS suddenly slapping you with tracks that are BANGERS
Nice thumbnail, i really needed to see Reimu drop her Swords of Revealing Light today
I think MoF having 5 stages was 100% a callback to SoEW, just like the Japanese title (Fujinroku for MoF and Fumaroku for SoEW. The Kanji are different in the original, but the readings are very similar)
Am I missing something? MOF has six stages, the autumn sisters, Hina, Nitori, Aya, Sanae and Kanako.
Speaking of the Phantasm stage in IN, I *swear* I saw somewhere that there was a named unused character like Rin Satsuki whose name was (I forgot the first name) Izayoi and she was going to be the Phantasm boss in IN, but I can't find it anywhere
I know what you're thinking of, and what it is is that the kanji used for the "Phantasm" stage is the same one used in Sakuya's name, hence "Izayoi" a possible theory is Sakuya was related to the Phantasm stage, which has a bit of credibility to it with how Sakuya interacts with the full moon in the Final Stages, and some of Eirin's comments, that never actually go anywhere.
I love that thprac lets you play through some of the unused spells, and the other spells/bosses locked by shot type. Now everyone gets to experience the Mercury Poisoning that Rin Satsuki would've caught
awesome new asprey content, thank you for the video!
I am surprised that the Midi Music from Flower View's trial was left out. To think that we could have had Midis of Aya, Medicine, Yuuka, Komachi, and Shikieiki is pretty interesting had ZUN decided to keep everyone elses midis in the final game.
excellent video as always, i hope rin satsuki comes back she looks interesting considering she was going to be playable in the FIRST windows game
10:12 I have so many things I want to ask ZUN about, and that is one of them. Why'd he change it? Almost certainly he changed it when he decided to connect the Phantasm boss to Merry Hearn, the CD protagonist, but which came first: Merry or Yukari?
7:43 a statement which was never actually sourced beyond “ZUN said”
It’d also be the only circle cut to have NOTHING to do with what ZUN is bringing, so I’m skeptical.
good job on the video, however a small correction on the shrine of the wind thing, the unused stages in the japanese version of the game play no music, the song can be only accessed through the music test menu
Another thing that went unused was that Tenshi was originally going to have animated cloud patterns on her dress (Similar to Okuu's cape). This was scrapped but Zun drew it on Tenshi's design for an Atlanta convention in 2013. Touhou 9.8 being changed to Touhou 10.5 was most likely done to fit the timeline better, with Touhou 10.5 no longer happening before 10. Why? Probably has to do with Youkai Mountain or Aya maybe. Also, I loved the story of 16.5 and Sumireko grew on me.
10:15 Never heard of this before, fascinating! I wonder if ZUN had a different idea in mind for Yukari given the different meaning in Suzukaze compared to Yakumo.
8:35 im going to have a nightmare
Everyone gangsta til Doremy comes in wearing the green stockings.
Surprised Alice and Cirno's cut spellcards from PCB weren't on here
BABE WAKE UP NEW ASPREY JUST DROPPED
One thing I noticed about one of Reisen's unused palettes is that it may actually have been reused in a sense, with Lost Word. Specifically the Lunatic Space Youkai variant of Reisen where she has blond hair. Given Lost Word's themes of alternate timelines and aspects of the universe going missing, a part of me hopes that some of the unused content does find a sort of new life in Lost Word.
1:00 Sanae Noooooooo ;-;
27:52 Everywhere i go, i see that face
Great video
Haven't seen the video yet but I know this is gonna be a good one!
Yoooo, it’s [REDACTED]!
SCP authors: Yooo, my favorite name!
sumireko going to gensokyo to film tiktoks is now canon. I bet she takes Bang sponsorships
considering what we see from sumireko in AFiEU it might as well already have been
The Devious Lick of Stealing the Shrine maiden Donation box
@@Haseldan NO
@@Haseldan Next video: "I got my legs broken by a shrine maiden in Gensokyo (and then it got worse)."
Just wanted to let you know, your content makes my day! Thanks for being cool, man.
I like to imagine that Satsuki Rin is somehow capable of manipulating cut content (nonexistence/abandoned/or forgotten things).
Could be a good excuse to bring back old characters/things to the main story.
man i cant believe that if the 12.3 roaster would have went after ZUNs plans that we would have had almost the entire Team 9 in there. A big loss indeed
But Utsuho wouldn't have been playable. That is an even greater loss that we thankfully avoided.
9:21 they arent "unused" its just the midi versions of the songs. ok stage 3 yeah its lower pitched than the midi and wav but im sure stage 2 is still pitched like that in the midi
I really do hope satsuki rin comes back in one of the touhou games one day!
She’s now can only be used in fangames which there’s none, or mod her in TH6, I think.
Shes in the waiting room with mima
@@dr.latency34 yup but sometimes mima leaves the waiting room to haunt hakurei shrine
ZUN completely forgot about her in one interview, so don't count on it
@@generalgabrielsatori Untrue
Ephemeral Unnatural Balance exists, which lets you play as some pretty unconventional characters, including Satsuki Rin
Great video! I liked the part with Rumia!
the very idea that tik tok was scrapped from touhou baffles me
God damn Doll maker of Bucuresti in the trial version slapped harder than yuyuko's last spell
Wow, I didnt know about the secret unlock code OR the 3rd Eosd character, I though I knew alot about touhou but it turns out that I've still yet to scratch the surface
every game after DDC the shot type is the same file, i like how reimu still have the gohei in UM
also an insane amount of leftovers is in the game, stuff like wbawc ending in UM files, same thing for lolk. also lolk had in mind a practice start (ddc leftover)
Cirno was in the LoLK demo, too. But she was deleted from the final version
I would really want to hear immortal smoke with the unused part
It sounds so gooood
touhou 4 also has some music files from the previous games in it for some reason
i kinda wish that there was more unused content on the new games,but i guess that the better you become as a developer,the less unused stuff you leave.
RANK_COUNT is a C programming convention which allows you to check whether an enum value is within bounds.
Almost lived in a universe where tiktok exists in Touhou canon
I'm wondering why was Rin Satsuki gonna be a 1st Playable New Windows Character, if she wasn't from the PC-98 ERA like Reimu and Marisa and neither has a pc-98 counterpart.
Trial version Letty is the cutest thing ever
Great content like always
my theory for Satsuki Rin is that she is a prototype of one of Yukaris shikigami, this is based on two things, first is simply that her name sounds like Rin, which could have became Ran or could have been Chen was originally suppose to have similar sounding name to her master, the more substantial piece of evidence is that her name contains "Kirin" which are a creatures said to herald the arrival of a great sage, and who would the very next game introduce? everyone's second favorite yokai sage Yukari, and from comments from Zun about how he was already planning to make Sakuya playable even before EoSD was finished we knew he was already thinking ahead to the next game, a bit more of a stretch but its also theorized from some of Marisas dialogue that Rin was going to be a nurse, which could be synchronizing Kirins and Unicorns to give her an association with healing, and would somewhat fit Ran being the caretaker of the frequently bedridden Yukari(though at least in the final version shes only bedridden because she sleeps so much, rather then poor health)
ultimately if this was the case it would make sense for her to be cut, touhous not big on story so there wouldent be much opportunity to set up her working for some mysterious benefactor, which would make both her inclusion and her suddenly working for the bad guys in the next game feel random and out of left field
Counterpoint, a common theme with the names were that they were all named after colours, and partially inspired by the colours of light as well as the Japanese colour-based rank system. There’s not really any room for the pairing to work given the references ZUN used (except maybe as Chen’s shikigami, lol) and there’s not much to back up why Yukari would be bedridden originally.
@@Aaa-vp6ug yukaris bedridden just because she canonically kind of just hybernates for long stretches of time
I love this channel!
LETS GOOO
Great work as always
11:58
i actually would have liked the drums at the end
if it was a little bit shorter..
6:06 How can I see the status in the bottom right?
11:33 for this amazing unused boss music ending for the theme
I wonder if Urban legend in limbo had some content that got scrapped too?...
Actually, i wonder if the other materials (the manga, the novels and the cd dramas) also has some unused content or scrapped material too?
kinda sad how 90% of the contents discussed in this video are not documented in The Cutting Room Floor. TCRF articles are mostly just about full unlock codes...
oh hey, HSiFS wasn't originally meant to force you to go through an EXTRA stage just to get any sort of a closure to the story, and instead encouraged playing the main game more rather than jarringly telling any type of player (including the people who do easy 1cc's) to shut up and do EXTRA. the PCB's cut content is the most interesting to me, as the older portraits, the way the earlier demos play slightly differently and the unused Prismriver nonspell would make the game better for me.