Why Dan Inosanto Is Wrong!
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2020
- Oh yeah, we went there. Mr. Inosanto starts with the flawed assumption that, just because we might not be able to hit as hard as Bruce Lee, means that we can't (and shouldn't) do Jeet Kune Do the way that Bruce Lee did, and therefore, we need to study different martial arts systems and find our own path. Mr. Inosanto is wrong on this one and in this video Sifu Jason Korol will tell you why this is so and what you should do about it.
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While I knew this would be a controversial subject, I did my very best to respectfully disagree with Mr. Inosanto. After having read our critics, and as a service to our viewers so that we can all think clearly and logically about JKD, I believe the following response is in order.
To be sure, the critics have engaged in three primary fallacies while failing to refute my central point.
First, they presume that any critique of Mr. Inosanto is unwarranted and not allowed due to his status as a student of Bruce Lee. This is the fallacy of appeal to authority. To maintain that he (Inosanto) is beyond criticism is to literally jettison JKD altogether. Furthermore, other Lee students like Ted Wong, Jesse Glover, and Joe Lewis were doing things vastly different than Mr. Inosanto - he is, therefore, the outlier. This is also evident in all of Lee’s primary work such as Bruce Lee’s Fighting Methods and the Long Beach demos. Those first hand sources contradict Inosanto’s approach and supports ours. If these simple and obvious historical facts can’t be pointed out, and doing so is dishonorable, than JKD literally is Dan Inosanto. Do his supporters understand and support such nonsense? I hope not.
Second, the contention that I misquote Mr. Inosanto is due in part to the will-nilly nature of his philosophical relativism. I merely summed up the major case he has made over the years, namely that Lee was such a gifted athlete that the common person cant’t do “Lee’s JKD.” My point was an encapsulation of Inosanto’s main contention. Since he’s a relativist, his JKD Concepts suffers from the same philosophical errors that plague all relativistic thinking. Relativists are the worst of philosophical poseurs, unwilling to draw logically consistent conclusions and then abide by them so they profess that there are no absolute truths altogether. This is the root of the JKD Concepts fallacy espoused by Inosanto and why he’s hard to pin down on any given point. As Socrates refuted the sophists who made the same relativistic argument in his day (that there were no absolutes) by showing them that this statement was itself an absolute, I merely wish to alert the JKD Concepts adherents of the same error. I know it’s a hard thing to hear and I don’t wish to be rude but relativism is always self-defeating and so is JKD Concepts. Mr. Inosanto is a very nice man and extremely knowledgable but his philosophical errors lead him, by necessity, to never “putting his flag down” so to speak. Hence, on every issue I’ve engaged JKD Concepts over the years, they claim that they’re being misrepresented. The key to understanding them is, therefore, is to see them martial sophists.
Third, they show their contradiction by claiming that my interpretation is invalid (without bothering to understand it, much less refute it) while asserting on the other hand that JKD is “all things.” If it’s all things, though, then I can’t be wrong either. If it’s all things and each person’s interpretation is sacred, then their critique of this video is in violation of that truth. This shows the self-destructive nature of such thinking.
Lastly, let me say again that we’ve put forward a simple, logical and non-contradictory explanation of Jeet Kune Do that takes into account both unity and diversity. These definitions haven’t been challenged by such critics. They’ve only countered with the aforementioned fallacies or, worse still, shown their lack of maturity, intellectual seriousness and honor by resorting to ad hominem attacks. I will note once again, proudly, that I have not anywhere lost my honor by calling names. I have, as any lover of the truth should, attacked what I believe are flawed ideas without attacking people. To name the person through whom these ideas flow are not an attack on that person, but merely a logical rebuttal of the ideas he espouses.
In taking the time to answer, I’ve done so because I believe that JKD is a wonderfully logical and simple self-defense method that all can benefit from studying. Making mysteries of it and conflating it with other fighting methods, most of them vastly more complicated than JKD, obliterates it altogether. In this I hope that my work has helped the average student that’s been confused and even turned off by JKD Concepts over the years. In doing so I invite logical scrutiny. It’s my fervent hope and prayer that the JKD community engages in such a debate with honor and philosophical seriousness, not tolerating contradiction nor resorting to ad hominem. Only then can we move forward with Sijo Lee’s fighting method. My thanks and love to all who practice self-defense truthfully.
First of all everything he States is what he learned from Bruce Lee he is also one the very few individuals that was certified to teach bye Bruce Lee and on top of that JKD the philosophy of it is take what works and throw away the rest and if you didn't notice Bruce Lee actually was already adding wrestling and other forms of martial arts into his system so honestly he's actually keeping to Bruce Lee's philosophy and vision. Where you individuals are stuck in the 1970s progression you individuals didn't want to put the work in you guys want to keep playing with that Tai chi stuff and that's fine but don't ever dog on Dan the Man because of him there is so many great martial artists out there now that represent JKD and FMA. Oh and before you speak you should actually do your history and for anybody that thinks I'm full of crap I've actually read both of Bruce Lee's books and everything he States does not counteract those books. So have a nice day and my opinion instead of bad melting a man that has helped keep Bruce Lee's legacy alive and his teachings alive maybe you should go talk to him and if you think his stuff is crap or weak or wrong maybe you should challenge him or some of his students. Like Paul vunak or any of the other amazing martial artist that's come out of his camp like his son-in-law or Eric Paulson. Well once again you'll have a nice day and I hope you enlighten yourself before you speak or type stupid crap.
@@anthonyluft1091 Maybe you should research the definition of "ad hominem" attacks! ;-) Also see Sifu Jason's description of the 1st logical fallacy....appeal to authority!
@@anthonyluft1091 Not everything he states comes from Bruce Lee. And if it did wouldn't that be against Bruce's idea of making everything your own?
It's funny that in this day and time people fight hard to do away with the "traditional", but then start new traditions. BJJ for example, MMA is basically a style into itself, and some jeet kune do concept people learn, practice and teach so many techniques and forms you can't keep up! I thought Bruce wanted to SIMPLIFY
@@anthonyluft1091 Challenge him? He’s damned near 80. And most of the other guys you mentioned are in their late 50s except Paulson, and he’s more MMA now than JKD. And Vu is either on meth, or very ill. There are no young, fighting age reps for the style now. Maybe Singh.
That’s not what Inosanto said.
He took it out of context
yes exactly! this guys sounds like an idiot!!!! so obviously he didn't understand what was being said .
Real bro. I seen that while interview a few times. Idk whats going on here.
WAAYYYYYY out of context!
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Don't take anybody's word for it test it out for yourself brother
Confucius says: Don't try to read between some one's words...DON'T find fault with another...There's ONLY one Bruce Lee, YOU be YOU...SIMPLE.
Haven’t seen that exact quote anywhere, and to be quite frank nearly half of the sayings/quotes we see of Confucius are actually misinterpreted segments from the Analects.
These are edited cuts to form segments which actually don't tie to what is being concluded in my view. If one is to watch this interview, even in an un-edited segment of a few minutes - he says each artist's path is their own, we couldn't do it the exact same way as Bruce as we're not Bruce! No one is actually Bruce Lee, just as I'm not the content poster. Dan is simply saying, we are each our own artist / human / tread our own path / use what tools we can and will - it can never be 100% the same as any other person's way, he's just referencing Bruce.
JA040283 Right and exact! I have no idea how this guy seemed to misunderstand Inosanto’s statement.
I gather that this guy isn’t familiar with Bruce Lee’s philosophy of martial arts and JKD! Because what Inosanto is saying is elementary.
This video is deceiving. It want us to think that Inosanto, with all his knowledge dont know what he is talking about. Inosanto was Bruce Lees best friend. Bruce is the godfather of his daughter so they must be very very close. I think Inosanto is right in all ways.
EXACTLY!!!!!
@@minasz He even named his daughter's middle name Lee. She was in The Mandalorian season 2 episode 5 by the way!
You might be better off interviewing Sifu Inosanto, rather than come to your own conclusions of what you think he thinks, using isolated video segments.
Clout chasers don't do that...they do ill informed trolling like this video. I've been doing martial arts since 1977, studied under Jerry Poteet for 10 years, as well as Dan Inosanto, Steve Grody, the Gracies, a few Dog Brothers, and countless others. I STILL go to seminars and classes. This troll created a bubble only he exists in. He stays away from learning because he is afraid someone is going to burst it some day.
Agreed. Video is massively cringe and out of context.
Agreed! This guy is out of line. Just because you can make a vid doesn't mean you should
@@LouKiss Boi do I have a story for you. Even some masters who trained with Bruce's students have bad ideas. First I want to ask: Do you think JKD is a style without style, and can be adapted to you? That it will still be REAL JKD whether you use it for competition or on the street?
If you said yes, Sifu John Thomas thinks not. He trained with Dan Inosanto, Larry, other important guys, and Paul Vunak's students. He's certified under Gary Dill and W Hock Hochhiem. He thinks that real JKD was meant for self defense only and that Bruce wouldn't want people to use it for sport. Even people who trained with his students, have the worst idea of what Bruce thought.
@@anti1training Yup there’s a reason Bruce was a trained killer but yet did not compete professionally, he was a philosopher first
You have done a real disservice to Dan Inosanto and you have completely misunderstood his words. He did not say 'go and do a potpourri of other arts and call it JKD'. He's saying you can't do BL's personal brand of JKD and you can't. Go watch that DVD again.
Excellent, he doesn't even understand that JKD was incomplete because Bruce died way too young. People today who claim to teach JKD are frauds.
This guy just doesn’t get it. He is full of his own ego and the “perception” of his understanding.
For those that have ears, let them hear.
Not every student of the master was a good student. Taky Kimura said Dan was the best of the group until his dying day.🙏🏻
Dan Inosanto is the biggest fraudster in martial arts. He completely destroyed Bruce Lee's legacy. Real JKD can be taught in a short time. But that wouldn't have had the money coming in. So he created the JKD concepts BULLSHIDO teaching unnecessary crap to keep the students coming in and paying the money.
He mention Ted Wong’s example about the pizza. But he is missing the whole reason to that comment by Ted.
Bruce Lee PERSONALLY entrusted The JKD Lineage to Dan….,, of course this dude knows more 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man, for a supposedly respectful critique this video title is sensational as hell. I picture Bruce pointing at Longstreet and going, "NO! Your thoughts are WRONG!" Y'know, Dan has put up with soooo much crap over the years about the multilayered path he's chosen to walk, but remains as steadfast, humble, and inquisitive as ever about all martial arts, JKD or not. Which, ultimately, is what his sifu advocated: Develop a discerning, scientific eye about whatever it is you’re studying, then adapt it to fit you. Once it's yours, who gives a shit what you call it or don't call it? Leo Fong has talked about using a left lead instead of a right when training with Bruce and, when asked why, told him, “‘Cause I'm a boxer; this is what feels natural to me...watch.” Bruce did, then went, "Okay, do that," lol. Hell, the late Larry Hartsell, one of the world's premiere grapplers, was actively encouraged by Bruce to explore that range of fighting. Could Bruce do everything Larry could? No. In fact, from what I’ve heard he practically refused to roll with the big man (who wouldn’t, lol). At the same time, could Larry do everything Bruce could? Hell no, Lee would rock his world doing stand-up. And by the way, who pushed Dan to explore his own country's arts thinking it was important from both a cultural and fighting perspective? I'll give you one guess. Did he then turn around and use everything Dan showed him? No, but he adapted it for his own purposes and education, and if he hadn’t we might never have seen the legendary battle with the guards.
Anyway, my point is that if Mr. Inosanto is “wrong” for his accumulative find-what-works-for-you approach, so was Mr. Lee-who, by the way, cautioned about getting hung up on what’s right or wrong in JKD. After all, it’s just a name; please don’t fuss over it. Oops…too late.
People will do anything for a view. It only matters if the content is worth the mistake.
@@woodswalker64 And with all due respect, sir, your simple and direct critique of my statements is the perfect example of JKD in action. You, unlike myself, DO get it, and you are truly a finger pointing a way to the moon-from which I’m quite sure Bruce is smiling down as we speak. If I ever get there, it will be in no small part due to the generosity and wisdom of your comment. Thank you.
Dan Inosanto is the biggest fraudster in martial arts. He completely destroyed Bruce Lee's legacy. Real JKD can be taught in a short time. But that wouldn't have had the money coming in. So he created the JKD concepts BULLSHIDO teaching unnecessary crap to keep the students coming in and paying the money.
@@randalwung8715 Mr. Wung. My apologies. I was trying to comment on the Sifu’s main post, not yours. I TOTALY agree with you!
Sorry 😊
@@woodswalker64 Wow...an APOLOGY on UA-cam--that's gotta be a first, lol. And I apologize for thinking your comment was directed at me. Perhaps this could be the start of a positive trend, lol.
Keyboard War in full effect!
@Master Ding Dong too little, too late. Over it.
that's the power of words if it's realtalk
He wasn’t saying he could kill with his lead jab. If you watch the full video, he’s talking about specifically within Wing Chun. Bruce’s lead was so powerful that most couldn’t determine his actual skill level in Wing Chun. He goes on to mention Bruce never completed the system and Dan had gotten another Sifu to complete his wing Chun training
Dan is completely correct in his interpretation. JKD uses no way as way. Therefore, you could practice Karate, Sambo, Fencing and if you could make it work harmoniously and effectively in your favour, that becomes YOUR JKD. That is the key point. Bruce also quoted "If anyone says JKD is this or that, is simply not with it."
If you try and put JKD in a box, you've lost the point and the path. A lot of ppl say, JKD is basically Wing Chun, boxing and wrestling aka whatever arts Bruce studied. Wrong! You could study whatever arts you want, the point is to harmonize them to work for you and make it YOUR JKD.
Bruce also said "JKD is just a name used. It's like a boat that takes you across a river. Once across, you don't carry the boat on your back".
Kunal Chatterjee thanks so much for the thoughtful input. Allow me to address two points you bring up.
First, the core of JKD can’t be “no way as way” because that’s logically/philosophically impossible. As a poetic or tactical way of saying, “be adaptable” it’s quite helpful. But to ascribe foundational status to it reduces JKD to the realm of nonsense. No way as way leads to the invalidation of itself, since it presumes to be a way, which means it’s self-defeating. As a poetic saying, yes; a core concept, no.
Also, as to your point about taking any arts and making them harmonize, this is hyper subjectivism. It provides no external or fixed standard of truth except self. Our approach, which is to understand the unity of the “Jeet” concept and the diversity of applying it by different individuals in varying environments toward the goal of self-defense, makes sense of JKD. The external standard is the reality of unavoidable violent encounters and need of self-defense. Sifu Dan’s relativistic concept, which you espouse, on the other hand, recognizes no standard except self. But this, as with all relativism, is self-defeating as it can’t be applied consistently. For example, the moment we criticize another approach we’ve already professed a “way,” which is the very thing we profess can’t be done.
In the end, clear and logical definitions are needed to apprehend the truth of any subject. I continue to seek to find and root out any contradictions in my philosophy and application. To that end, I sincerely appreciate you joining the conversation. Best wishes to you.
I do not believe self defence should be labelled. Defending yourself should come down to what works for me..not
Judo.JKD. Karate.kali.etc.etc.dispense with the politics.Guro Dan is spot on..
@@JKDandWingChun The core of JKD as described philosophically as well as in a realistic scenario IS in fact "Using no way as way; Having no limitation as limitation". It comes from the man, Bruce himself. To say that that's not what it is, is to disagree with him. In a roundabout way, you have essentially said the same thing it means...adaptibility. To not be able to adapt in a realistic scenario contradicts the very point of JKD. Bruce successfully melded philosophy and practicality into a tangible physical method of fighting and self defense for himself - as you rightly pointed out. He of course wasn't the first one.
In fact one of his quotes is "Martial Arts - to me - is honestly expressing yourself." So yes, JKD is very much a "selfish" art. Because the essence is to be able to utilize the tools you choose at hand and effectively / efficiently use them to your benefit and be able to adapt to changing environments. The way that this is done will vary greatly from individual to individual. Hence "selfish". JKD is a very self directed art. It is up to the individual to discover how they will use whatever arts they choose to practice in order to express themselves in combat or otherwise. The physical goal being, efficiency and efficacy while the philosophical and deeper goal being, to free one's mind. That concept can be found in pretty much all of martial arts. Many paths, same goal so to speak. This is what Bruce had said about harmonizing:
“Here is natural instinct and here is control. You are to combine the two in harmony. If you have one to the extreme, you will be very unscientific; if you have another to the extreme, you become a mechanical man and no longer a human being.”
Additionally he has also stated "The individual is more important than any established system or style"
Bruce also has quoted "I have not created anything new, style or composite" in regards to JKD. So he himself didn't label it as a dogmatic art and didn't claim that it was at all. One of the main reasons he closed his schools initially was because he saw ppl copying him instead of grasping the bigger idea of what he was trying to convey. He called it "JKD" for himself. You can name it whatever you like. That's the point.
@@JKDandWingChun Dan Inosanto in his interpretation of JKD is guilty of self defeating relativism which cannot be applied consistently ? ....You're not a Logical Positivist by any chance are you ?....hahaha....We must fight to preserve concepts of Objectivity in all its forms in Philosophy because the alternative is...well..Ooops....Well, Karl Popper who didn't even sign up to anything Post Modernist would have said that to argue that a Metaphysical idea doesn't meet its own criterion is a sophomor argument for an number of reasons ,,,Number 1 ...It fails to differentiate between a metaphysical EPISTEMOLOGY and a....Ahhhh Sorry, SORRY...The one thing martial artist REALLY cannot stand is a smartarse....Back to the fighting....lol
@@JKDandWingChun, definitely agree with you especially on your first paragraph. No way as a way is impossible.
Is using out of context segment of an interview your way of using "logic and rationality"?
This clown knows more than Dan innosanto ??🤣🤣🤣
Imagine somebody who never met bruce lee saying bruce lee’s student and training partner doesn’t understand what bruce taught him
Exactly!
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@@danfreeman7615 Boi do I have a story for you. First I want to ask: Do you think JKD is a style without style, and can be adapted to you? That it will still be REAL JKD whether you use it for competition or on the street?
If you said yes, Sifu John Thomas thinks not. He trained with Dan Inosanto, Larry, other important guys, and Paul Vunak's students. He's certified under Gary Dill and W Hock Hochhiem. He thinks that real JKD was meant for self defense only and that Bruce wouldn't want people to use it for sport. Even people who trained with his students, have the worst idea of what Bruce thought.
@@anti1training ''To me martial arts means honestly expressing yourself.'' - Bruce Lee.
That's means it's neither for self-defense, nor sport. It's for whatever you feel like using it.
This popped up on my recommended videos home page. I like your emphasis on simplicity which is core to JKD as well as directness. Freedom can become misinterpreted as more techniques instead of simply using what little core method of intercepting you have in a free uncluttered way. Less is more. I do think adding more is good in order to understand all ranges and transitions between ranges then apply the same simplicity, directness and freedom to each structure. Bold video and I did enjoy it thank you for sharing. 🙏
¿Am I supposed to believe your definition of Jeet Kune Do and not the version of Inosanto, a direct student and one of the few certified by Bruce Lee, as well as one of his closest friends?
Thank You. This guy is a jackass. 🙏
Totaly misunderstood inosantos BRO. Your philosophy is totally OFF.
Explain
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times - Bruce Lee
You got it wrong dude. What Danny said is what Bruce said- ABSORB WHAT IS USEFUL. In the realm of martial arts, there are a bunch of techniques that can be very useful. Jeet Kune Do itself is diversity, but the foundation is basic. From basic you need to know, for example, jujitsu, judo, karate, aikido, etc. From those martial arts, hack away what is not needed and absorb what is useful. That is what Danny is talking about, the same concept of what the late Bruce Lee said.
Dan Inosanto is one of the biggest fraudsters in martial arts. His "as many arts as possible" ( his words). Was designed to keep students coming in paying him money. Scammer.
This video literally throws away everything that Bruce Lee himself wrote in The Tao of Jeet Kune Do.
The problem is he didnt write that book, he was not the author. His lying widow Linda Cadwell and her lover, the lawyer Adrian Marshall, hired a non martial artist named Gilbert L. Johnson to write the book.
How some people still believe this book was written by Lee himself in 2020 is beyond me.
The book is based on Bruce Lee's personal notes that are gathered by the book editor. He didn't write it by himself.
@@NDoraku I didn't know about that! there's me thinking that Bruce wrote that book in his own words, and as for Linda? wtf!
@@NDoraku proof?
@@myworldstorm He doesn't gave a source bro
I Don't think Guru Dan Inosanto is necessarily wrong or mistaken, it's based upon one short interview about JKD History and Evolution. People can't mis interpret what was said and Dan Inosanto probably Hope's that People will realize and come to the same conclusion he did about the Original comments. In my opinion Guru Dan Inosanto statement were taken out of context or he just didn't explain everything in that one interview and didn't get asked enough about the subject of What Bruce Lee could do that's others simply can't do . I don't think anyone is wrong here !!! The Gentleman just brought up a valid point, a good one for us all to think about and learn and grow from . Its what Guru Dan Inosanto would want . Nothing wrong with different or varying opinions and explanations !!!
Agreed. I think both are correct. Study the system for many years until you are proficient. Then when you are good explore other arts but keep training your system and develop yourself.
I thought all he was saying is .. we can't do Bruce's personal version of JKD.
Great video as always. 👍🏽
I agree with you as far as it pertains to actual combat survivability; and particularly for folks who don't have 10 hours a day to train multiple arts. Efficiency of time and repetition of technique are paramount. At a seminar a few years ago, Guro Dan once said that if he were training a fighter for a real stick fight, he would teach them the redondo, the X, and some simple footwork, and that's about it. He also said that when was in the Philippines some of the instructors would meet on the beach and do X repetitions for a whole hour. However, once a person has attained a mastery of the basics of their art, the introduction of other conceptual frameworks can be highly beneficial, if for no other reason than to add the spice of variety. Thanks for your insights. I very much enjoy your channel.
Hi Sifu Jason!
I have difficulty throwing high kicks because of arthritis, does that mean I can’t do jeet June do?
Absorb what is useful and reject what is useless bruce stated box the wrestler and wrestle the boxer and you have to know how to do both. Sounds like bruce was talking mma in the 60s and 70s.
Personally I didn't take it that way I don't think he meant it in that way I think he was just trying to say is that Bruce Lee was on a different level we can't do things the way he did it just like a professional bodybuilder for 15 years can work out and lift his way in a specific Manner and me just starting out cannot do that the way he does it is what I think he meant Bruce Lee was very fast I've never seen nobody else copy his speed or anything like that but as far as his style or JKD in general people need to use it and do it in a manner that it works for them for their I don't know body type or athleticism if you're not as fast as I say Muhammad Ali four examples and maybe have to be more grounded or something like that you know it all depends on the person's body like with me right now out of shape I would not be able to move around like Bruce Lee but if I'm grounded and I can reach you I can possibly do some damage
my exact thoughts...great observation!!
How is this Johnny come lately who never met or trained with Bruce Lee going to say that Bruce Lee’s student is flawed? This is controversy for the sake of it. He’s trying to drive interest in his product by putting down someone else. If you want the truth, go to the source or someone connected to the source. Don’t go to someone like this guy.
*Stranger:* Do you know the way?
*Guide:* No way is the way
*Stranger:* So, you'll guide me to get lost?
*Guide:* Yes, but actually no
*Stranger:* There's no way you're a guide
*Guide:* Yes way I'm a guide
*Stranger:* No way
*Guide:* Yes way
*Stranger:* I thought you said there's no way
*Guide:* No, but actually yes
*Stranger:* O_O???
Duchi nailed it!
Lol...
@Keller Smith True, Dan Inosanto was Bruce Lee's senior student in L.A. who Bruce charged to teach JKD in his absence. Yet Ted Wong who was Bruce Lee's last personal student and protege, according to many, parted with Dan Inosanto's teachings. Jerry Poteet who it is said was more Dan's student than Bruce's parted with Dan, the list goes on. I'm not saying they were right and Dan Inosanto was not, I'm saying they were all students of Bruce Lee, but many have argued Dan Inosanto went away from the core of what JKD was because he promised Bruce Lee he wouldn't teach JKD. In the 70s it was well documented by Black Belt and other magazines that Dan Inosanto was emphasizing Filipino martial arts and not JKD. Later realizing much of the martial arts community wanted him to teach based on his relationship with Bruce Lee and his reputation in Jeet Kune Do, Dan Inosanto is said to have coined the term concepts. Here is the best description of the differences by Chris Kent, the final student accepted into Bruce Lee's JKD Chinatown school while he was still alive. I'm not sure, but I don't think Kent ever had a class under Bruce Lee, but he studied under Dan Inosanto for at least 13 years. Despite his long relationship, this article gets to the heart of the difference between JKD Concepts (Dan Inosanto) and Original JKD (Ted Wong and others). www.jkdlondon.com/jkd-%E2%80%98concepts%E2%80%99-vs-%E2%80%98original%E2%80%99-jkd/
You can't call anything JKD if you're not using the necessary concepts to intercept. Training in more disciplines doesn't change a thing. It's the application that makes the "Art".
Bruce Lee's concept of JKD was as we've all heard and read....Be Like the water in a glass....I think this is not being translated to it's fullest. Your body flow may not be the same as his or this guy speaking or Danny Inosanto's bring accent to your strengths, ergo whatever system brings your strengths and Greatest attributes forward making your JKD they best YOU can be....Meaning there are so many systems with so many fast and direct blocks and strikes that others attributes may not work for you...Bruce Lee "BE OPEN MINDED!!"
@@Paradox_Wkr You're missing the point. Bruce said himself that the name was not important, it merely described it's practice and it's purpose.
And as an invited participant to the first Nucleus Seminar I spent time and trained with many direct students of Bruce Lee. So, having questioned & gleaned many responses from over a dozen of these gentlemen and from John Little the compiler & editor of the Bruce Lee library, I am nothing but open-minded.
And, as a final point, if you're not operating under Bruce Lee's set of concepts amalgamated as Jeet Kune Do, you're doing something else. Label it thus.
@@tomiddison5552 Yes...Exactly my point...Personal application "Based on Simplicity!" He was giving us the tools we need for personal perfection...What works for us", We all have different strengths and attributes that we can build to our physical capabilities!
@@tomiddison5552 As soon as you commented I thought: THAT man knows what he's talking about. I later scrolled down and read your response to the other gentleman.
I was correct. You sir seem to have vast and practical knowledge of Real JKD. NOT "Eclectic do" or mma. BOTH CAN BE GOOD BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT JKD. There is a "Goal" ,a Method(for want of a better word) in how the JKD man approaches his combat. If the practitioner ISN'T, then they aren't doing JKD. Not saying they wont win or be effective, Just not Practicing JKD. SO yeah, "Call it something else ".Good stuff man.
Well Sifu Jason probably showed this to Dan, and or Dan got wind of it. And who knows Dan probably got a kick out of it. And doesn’t care. ( we don’t know we’re not there ) And sure It opened a can of worms. One commenter mentioned “ maybe interview Sifu Dan “
Like in a family you’re not always going to agree with a sibling or a relative. That doesn’t make you less of a family with them. Like The Jun Fan/JKD family even the Non Classical Gung Fu or non classical Wing Chun. We may all have a difference of opinion. On what Bruce Taught and gave to those he taught and to the world. And there are differences. And it was Bruce Lee who inspired and brought us together. Let’s be thankful for that.
In your opinion, what martial arts are completely contradictory to one another?
I agree. I’ve been involved in JKD since the eighties, and went to numerous seminars with Guru Dan and others. I think most of us love the study and practice of martial arts more than we love the fighting practically of what we do. In most cases this is fine unless you have a job that requires confronting violence or you are unlucky enough to be a victim. I loved learning moves from Harimau Silat, Muay Thai, Kali, etc...but at the end of the day when I needed my training, I wasn’t using a juru on my attacker. The paradox is that Bruce Lee was telling us to widdle our fighting techniques down to what works best for our defense, not add a bunch of techniques from different arts. But we all have our own journey to follow.
Whittle.
Jack Wilson thanks,,,,where I’m from in southern Indiana it’s widdle 😀
If Bruce was alive now he'd be horrified at the way JKD has turned out.
1.) Can someone cross train different martial arts as well as learn JKD if they want to?
2.) If so what do you recommend they about it?
Strange and here i was thinking - that's exactly what Lee was doing - taking techniques from all the different styles that he personally found usefull and integrate them into his JKD. And why? Well, he couldn't anymore WingChun, that door was closed on him and he wanted a style that fitted him.
to be fair, Danny is far from the only person to say that only Bruce could use a lot of his techniques.
JKD not everything out there combined. If that was the case, MMA would be considered JKD. JKD is what is embodied in the name. “Way of the intercepting fist”. The parts of arts that are included to make JKD have interception built in, such as Wing Chun, Boxing, and Fencing. Lee was constantly evolving, but remember interception is the key to his art.
This is great. Love it.
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@@JKDandWingChun I did. People are looking at me sideways... I blame you...
I believe the whole principle behind jkd is to develop your strengths as an individual. Everyone has different strengths therefore there will be some differences in application - its not one way....but jkd is interception, simplicity , and direct. I also recall reading Bruce stating its daily decrease, not increase. Then he states in a certain situations you can bite your opponent - biting is not a "jkd" core move , so i think he left room for adapting different tools that aren't normally part of the core techniques. I believe Taoism stresses following the middle path - thereby avoiding extremes which can water down the core of jkd principles to the point its unrecognizable- even as an abstract concept. He did not mean "no way as way" meant anyway you want it cuz then i could pull out a gun and says its my own jkd lol.
Well, as it said, "nothing is true everything is permitted" lol. Everybody has their own truth. I like your method, Tommy Carruthers method and also Dan Inosantos method. And my sifu Joaquin Almeria is a student of Dan Inosanto and Ted Wong as far, as I know. So I can make a conclusion that all methods are similar and there's no single truth. The main thing is to understand the idea
That's not the what Dan said on his contents. He pretty much said learned from the best... if you need to Wrestle.. learn from Wrestle... want to improve your boxing.. learned from a boxer. But do you... whatever you do.. do you. Because Bruce Lee's Jet Kune Do is his interpretation of his own mix styles. Like a formula... you should learned the root on where he got that solution.
What I get from Guru Dan's explanation, (which may have come from an interview regarding Bruce specifically, I can't remember) is essentially that an individual like Bruce or anyone else with a super powerful lead jab may not find their particular style(s) to have a good exploitation for this type of strike. That being said, this plants the seeds for JKD to come to fruition within an experienced martial artist.
What's more important to you, simplicity or self expression?
Wow, good point. Always good to look at the other side. I see his side too, and I see what your saying is that it can cause confusion. And Bruce was defiantly unique in the way he comprehended things, I think maybe Guro Insanto may have been trying to say do not try to be Bruce try to be you and be the best you can be, I do see see your point. It’s funny if you had 5 people read a paragraph and asked each one separately to describe what they read there would be 5 different answers. Very good point.
Well, who said anything about “accumulating” a bunch of arts and trying to use ‘em All in a combative situation? You research a bunch of arts to examine what will work for you and keep it simple. When you went to school, did you learn just one subject? Were you confused after you graduated college with all those subjects you learned? In most cases, people majored in one subject. Other subjects are supplemented so you are well versed in the economic/social world. Do you have to learn a bunch of arts? No. But the more arts that your are familiar with, the better equipped you will be in a combat situation. Remember some arts are excellent for mental/physical/spiritual coordination. GURO Dan did not say you cannot do JKD. He did say that he has not met anyone with the shell-shocking punch as Bruce Lee. “That” is not saying you cannot do the intercepting way.
Let me see if I understand what you are saying are you trying to say you should not learn other martial arts? Because I remember reading and Black Belt Magazine interview that was given by Ted Wong he mentioned that people asked him did Bruce add techniques from other Arts into Jeet Kune Do and my answer is yes he did he took techniques from other Arts and added it to the Jeet Kune Do framework but he didn't just take techniques and added them just for the sake he had to truly believe that it will work now that's what I remember Ted Wang saying
What do you think?
Totally agree - good talk
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I'm fascinated by Jeet Kune Do and always wanted to try it, but both the Originals and Concepts camps seem like they've taken two different extremes. The Originals seem very rigid about what JKD is supposed to be and end up falling into the pitfalls that Bruce Lee was trying to avoid. The Concepts camp on the other hand seem to forget that there is still an actual method to JKD and it's not just a 'create your own martial art' martial art. I may be speaking too generally, but that seems to be what happens a lot.
clickbait. he didn't say all that.
I think you accomplished your goal in making this video.
No I think all students need to be athletic and plays a big part of this. There are some people who join the arts look for a feel good teacher and that is not the case. I also like your insight on this matter and I think you are right.
He says take what is useful and discard what doesn’t or just work it until it does work for you
You say you are not criticizing?
Hey Jason, he meant for you to go out and find what works for you, whether it's Muay Thai, judo or whatever. Find what works for you and disgard the rest. You misunderstood what Dan said.
No I understand what you're saying I agree yeah I mean just like bodybuilding again you know you cannot do it the way one guy does it because one guy may not have a job and his job is just to lift weights when he's got hours to do it so it might take you a little longer to get results and stuff but it's still essentially the same thing you're still going to get in shape and I totally agree we may not be as strong or powerful as Bruce Lee but we can still get results it just takes practice training determination and just plain simply doing the best you can
to come to a agreement, i feel this lineage of jkd schools should stick together and fix their art
1.) So you said nothing is wronged that cross training, how so in light of everything else you said?
2.) Can someone cross train different martial arts as well as learn JKD if they want to?
3.) If so what do you recommend they about it?
Dan was just trying to say was if you have phydical limitations of some sort within what you're being taught, that you may find it useful to find another way as a way.
Not to abandon the system but incorporate what is useful making it your own.
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I agree.
So Jeet kune Do is different from this or that? Actually, I think you you make some good points about simplicity, daily decrease rather than increase, not trying to be a jack of all trades & a master of none , but ... I also think Mr. Inosanto makes a valid point about Bruce not having all the answers, he was just one guy who never fully (if at all) experienced things like Muay Thai or Brazilian Jujitsu; sure, you could say that Bruce had tools that could counter those styles but we don't actually know he could, & regardless of what we imagine the "legendary" Bruce Lee could do, that has no affect whatsoever on what you or I can pull off. I trained briefly with a well known JKD instructor in northern California (won't mention any names) who told me he would study, look at, watch classes of different styles to get ideas of how he'd deal with them but he wouldn't actually train in them; that approach seems narrow-minded & promoting a false sense of security to me. I'm not saying you should train in every martial art you hear of, but you should be open-minded & honest enough with yourself to admit maybe you don't have all the answers, other styles may actually be able to offer things that could help you be a more complete martial artist.
Sifu Jason is saying there is a core foundation to Jeet Kun Do or the Way of Intercepting Fist, namely interception, pre-emptive direct attacks to neutralize imminent violence.
A medical doctor's job is to cure or end disease; a martial artist's job is to stop or end violence.
100 percent agree. I've been to several Jeet Kune Do clubs. They were not teaching anything like the stuff taught in the Tao. I could honestly say MOST of them were fooling themselves that they could fight. I came from a background in boxing, judo and mma and after calling out a couple students on their takedown defence and wiping the arrogant smirks off there faces by repeatedly taking them down ended up with 3 new students for the mma club. If actual jkd was taught, like the one in Bruce's or Teri Tom's books, I think you would have a perfect compliment to mma or streetfighting skills.
I trained with guro dan for a while and he is a endless amount of knowledge and he i learned will speak on all angles like your channel THANK YOU
Jeet Kune Do in the real sense are the techniques described in the book: stance, foot work, punching, kicking, economy of motion etc.... that is raw JKD. Simple and direct. From there you can study other martial arts, absorb what is useful and hack off those that are unessentials. Even in the basics, if you find something not usefu for youl, you can cut it off as well or modify. Personal choice and discovery is the essence. That what makes JKD different from others. It is your JKD, the understanding of yourself.
Reasonable, practical advice. Ali would not have been successful if he tried to copy Marciano. Marciano would not have been successful if he tried to copy Ali. Ali could not do the things Marciano did in the ring and Marciano could not do what Ali did. This does not mean that Ali or Marciano couldn’t fight, they simply adopted a style that matched their attributes and they both had one thing in common, a champions heart. Who could copy Bruce Lee, or Dan Inosanto for that matter? Not many, if any, but there are a whole lot of people out there who can actually fight. Simplify, make it your own, great advice as always. And no matter what style you choose, the main ingredient is heart. Without heart nothing will help you. Keep up the good work, you make people think.
What Dan Inosanto said and meant is that "you have to work for you". Read more into Dan Inosantos' teachings.
You got it wrong, Bruce said, there are different fighting ranges (some quote 4, some 5)- some arts are more effective than others in those ranges. That’s how different arts and „different techniques“ come into play. Which art depends on the range your fighting in, and techniques
I think you just don't understand what he said. Your arguments are floored
What I hear is a lot of theory from both sides. I like the idea of keeping it simple. Rather than different styles, I look at it as different ranges. Simplicity at different ranges. I think they are both right!
That was my take on this.
I will say that I agree and disagree with your statements. I have the most respect for Guro Dan and his accomplishments in the martial arts(Lets start with that). But I also disagree with his statements. Having trained in many of his seminars.... I have seen little JKD and lots of FMA. The whole statement made by Guru Dan, "Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own" is from Dan... not Bruce. And Guro Dan uses this to add many arts to JKD. It's the complete opposite. It's simplification like you have stated. This is sometimes boring to people. Just like a boxer who practices his jab, cross etc.. 1000's of times... Is it exciting.? So adding arts for excitement or any other reason complicates it. So totally agree with you. The disagreement is with what I know many people has said. "You can't be Bruce." I don't think Guro Dan is saying you shouldn't do JKD. He is saying despite you having 4 limbs a head etc... you are simply not the same. Do you have the drive and determination that Bruce had in his training.? Few do. Do you have his muscular make up? Do you have his same physical attributes? Nope. Should you cut one leg shorter to be like Bruce.? So I will agree with Dan. We can not replicate Bruce. Or should we ever try. Don't be a poor copy of your instructor. Move past trying to replicate. I believe Guro Dan and other first generation students have said many times that you will not be Bruce... but be the best Dam version of your JKD you can be. And that can be all the same tools that Bruce used without adding different arts. As far as adding another woman to a marriage... hahaha. Funny analogy. Love it. Yeah.. that spells disaster. What if you added dance(not the cha cha cha specifically), or some other item that adds an attribute to the marriage. Ie. Instead of adding silat you instead train reaction skills, awareness, speed, problem solving etc. Maybe you even use other sports to develop these attributes... Hence making your ability better to perform JKD. I have much respect for Guro Dan. But the people who believe that combining their own combination of Arts makes up JKD has long missed the points. As we both know JKD is really just a combination of a couple arts.
Guro Dan only teaches what the seminar host asks for. Clearly you have very little if any actual experience with Inosanto and are just parroting what you have heard from other no nothing shit talkers.
You have clearly never been to Inosanto Academy and Guro/Sifu Dan teaches Jun Fan and explains JKD philosophy at every seminar in some fashion.
I respect anyone’s reassessment of any statement/doctrine/etc. But even early on in this there’s very odd cherry picked statements (you’ve miss quoted) and as far as I understand about the fundamental essence of jeet June do that essence is the journey is a personal expression. So by referencing him saying how strong one of Bruce’s tools was is in no way an example of a fault of Inosanto. He describes in your examples Lee’s stronger tools and as a follower (even at my basic level) of the principles of jeet June do what works for one may not work for others. If you slowed down your talk and have a thorough examination of your critique I might understand better but personally (and with all respect as a martial arts practitioner) I’m more confused than enlightened by your statements. I hope to see more from you and perhaps delve deeper and more comprehensively into these matters. Thank you. Respect
I think you misinterpreted what he is talking about
I agree! HOWEVER : I think its important to understand how other styles THINK and having the opportunity to find a good and humble practitioner to test your ability to maintain and/or recover your centreline. Or even just to experience their entry procedures, and get first hand experience on it. .
Ive seen so many get caught, even if the Wing logic is somewhat better, they dont expect how quick a grappler can enter and take your feet away, or how quick a boxer can change angles and redirect your attention before you even get to enter.
But I absolutely don't think you need to go black belt in 5 differently arts in order to be a complete fighter.
My favourite Bruce quote: « I fear not a man that has practiced 10k kicks once. But I fear a person that has practiced 1 kick 10k times.» (something in those lines)..
Bruce practiced his jab against all stylists, and that is how he got so good at using it.. At least this is my theory!
Erlend Kristensen great input. Thanks.
Good topic and I have a scenario that may help the synergy here.
I have played guitar for over forty years. I began as a rock guitarist, so I had to learn the basic structure of how the Guitar responded to achieve my goals. Along the way, in the wonderful seventies and eighties, I had the honor of playing with many musicians from many different genres of music. Did I learn different styles along the way. Partially, yes. My saying was I would put each bit of information I learned in my pocket until I needed it for later on. My point is, it is always healthy to gain knowledge, but if you try to learn all of everything, which is not possible, then you will lose your foundation, your basis for why you began your journey..
I hope this is agreeable. Great topic.
Agree, nobody can jab like Ali, or uppercut like Tyson, or jump like Jordan, but we still try!
I've seen a couple of your videos before. I like your 'keep it simple' approach, and your idea of pacing training development according to the speed at which the student is progressing, ie rather than 'you need to be doing this for five years before you can do that'.
However, this video is bad for you and your very long comment of justification, only makes the situation worse.
You say Dan's wrong encouraging people to learn from 'contradictory' martial arts, but he does not advocate that at all. Remember Bruce Lee created JKD by selecting the 'best bits' from a range of martial arts. Nothing Dan says runs contrary to that, in fact what he says actually supplements the ethos which underpins JKD. Dan (like Bruce) says that people should learn Wing Chun but at some point they should learn others forms of fighting too and he gives the example of wrestling. What's wrong with that bud, surely that's a good recommendation which is 100% consistent with the teachings of Bruce Lee. It also sits well with your own analogy of not eating only Italian food and no other.
Either you have misheard Dan's remarks or you have completely misinterpreted them. With respect, you really need to listen again to Dan's words with an open mind and fresh ears. Admit your error and I'll subscribe.
Oh man, a little knowlegde and understanding is a dangerous thing.😊
People act like bc it's Dan inosanto he can't be wrong he's a teacher that's how he makes his money . Even Bob Bremer who was a student of Bruce Lee said that about Dan. So if people want to say Dan trained with Bruce so he knows more,well Bob bremer trained with Bruce and was known as a fighter . Jkd might evolve but it's still a martial art like paul vunak said if your not intercepting your not doing jkd. You can do other martial arts but jkd is mostly lead side forward and intercepting .
I learn out of books bout different styles but only studied 3 systems that's it
The larger the data set, the more accurate the pattern. I think you missed the entire point.
I don't think Inosanto is saying that just accumulating styles is ok. I think implicit in Inosanto's statement is that the styles you accumulate require integration with each other and tailoring to your specific body. And that's what JKD is -- a framework for integration and tailoring -- and not a commitment to the lead hand interceptor as the ultimate tool.
I think you've got a great page, but I'm with Inosanto on this.
Absolutely!
Oh man.....this Greenville guy is so OFF right from the get go regarding Dan and what Dan says. Dan never said nor says that people should do a bunch of different arts and find yourself. He says that the many arts are AVAILABLE for people to experiment IF THEY WANT.......but if they want to do as close to what Bruce Lee did in his personal JKD as possible....then fine, go for it. What he says is that most people do not have the attributes of Bruce Lee and therefore it would be very difficult for the vast majority of people to make Lee's JKD work for them as well as it worked for Lee. Example, power, speed, strategic mind, coordination, flexibility etc..etc..etc..etc. Hardly anybody has all the attributes Lee had rolled up in one person. And he damn well designed the art to work first and foremost FOR HIMSELF. Lee had incredibly long arms as another example, for a manof barely 5'7. They called him "gorilla" back in Hong Kong when he was 17 and 18 for a reason. His arms were VERY long compared to his body/height. Those long arms combined with his hand speed and in and out footspeed, balance, timing etc., allowed him to do things most just cannot do. Dan stated in an interview where Joe Lewis interviewed him, said the ABD..."Attack By Drawing" in JKD is something Bruce's attributes allowed him to pull off but that gets most martial artist in trouble when they try it. I can go on and on but Mr. Greenville academy, you just have a flawed interpretation of what Sifu Inosanto says here....and there is more to the interview than just the few clips you show. Context sir, context.
People saying these cuts are out of context; Inosantos been saying stuff like this in many many old VHS instructionals since the 80s. It's all about slipping from one martial arts style to four or five others within the span of a striking combination and he received much resistance from the Wong school because they opined that that was not what made Bruce great in sparring because that shit just doesn't work in sparring.
By they way, I hung out too with Ted Wong for about 2 days in one of his seminars in Europe ages ago, so, hello there!
JKD: either you get it, or you don't. This guy doesn't.
Short clips from previous interviews can easily be taken out of context. This is what happened here.
"You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you'll get.... what you need". Some ppl are blessed with speed, some with power, some with neither. But if they work on it, they're better than they were. They get faster and more powerful than their previous self. Same with skills. Add what is useful. If BJJ is useful, add it. If you don't think BJJ is useful, then don't add it, because you may never get into a fight, then BJJ may not be useful to you. But I think it's nice to have a skill just in case you need it because you never know when you need it. Dan Inosanto is a man still alive in his late 80s, you should accept his advice, especially his dietary advice. Eat all sorts of nutritious food. Not just one. It's not adding complexity. Human beings can learn. You can brush your teeth, you don't have trouble learning to drive, do you? People can do all sorts of things. And it doesn't take them great effort or years to learn. You can get proficient in BJJ or various martial arts with 6 months training. Once you absorb it, it's yours. Just like acquired skill of brushing your teeth or making a sandwich.
Let’s take a breath and think analytically… I respect Sifu Korol for his Brilliance in the Basics approach. In reality Bruce Lee God rest his soul, has passed on- it’s hard to believe I know but it’s true. One kick practiced 10k times is to be feared -, Bruce Lee. Peace through Strength !
I agree with yoy 100% :in self defense less is best.And sadly I think Dan know this in his jkd soul but itsnt commercial viable.So students spent years on philipino martial arts,bjj,savate,wrestling etc..
The last passage in the Toa of Jeet Kun Do reads "If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from" this or from "that" then let the name of Jeet Kune do be scraped, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it".
Stop trying to imitate Bruce Lee in turning JKD into a "style". You'll never find your truth by mimicking someone else.
By continuing with the metaphor of food and martial arts I would like to add that yes you might like some dishes more than others but that shouldn't stop you from trying as much as you can and remembering those you like.
u didnt understand what dan was saying. u are focusing on the technical aspects of the arts rather than the philosophy of what hes saying. no one can do what bruce lee can do because bruce lee cannot do the things other ppl do so he did it his OWN way. much like how u do your art is YOUR way. it means he understood what he needed to learn in order to be able to deliver the jab the way he wanted to. he TRAINED it that way because he wanted to. a good defense artist understands the necessities vs "perfect form" and will be keeping things locked to the way they want to be moving
I allow me to give you James DeMile's thoughts about it, he shared it in certain interviews, i am only paraphrasing:
"After Bruce was gone anyone looked to Dan Inosanto and thought he has everything about JKD. Well, Daniel only knew what Bruce had show him. He had a piece of the cake but not the whole cake.
At some point he didnt know what else to do, so he started to mix in Escrima, Silat, Wing Chun, Boxing and other things. Well, Boxing and Wing Chun dont go together, they are too different.
Bruce did two different things:
1) Creating a defnitive style, the name was Jeet Kune Do
2) Researching all Martial Arts, and in the end writing a large book about it, about the styles, their strenghts and weaknesses, etc..
But because of his death, Nr. 2 could never be finished."
This was DeMile. And now what i think:
I actually believe Inosanto continiued (2), but he used the name (1) for it, and this was the big mistake. Yes Bruce wanted to research all styles, but only to know what they are about, not to mix them into his JKD.
So if Inosanto would have called what he did someting like "Bruce Lee Martial Arts Research Concepts", then it would have been perfect. But since he used the term "Jeet Kune Do" in it, its simply the wrong name for it.
Maybe this is close to the truth. Only maybe...
your talking bout jkd not jkd concepts which is a mess
The flawed premise is yours. He didn't say anything about abandoning the system. He didn't say anything about abandoning the lead jab just because you're not as powerful as Bruce. He was illustrating the concept of doing the same thing Bruce did, which is researching other methods to fit your attributes, and fill in the gaps. He wasn't so much talking about adding a bunch of fluff, but absorbing what's useful from other systems. Bruce wasn't a terribly good fencer, but the strategy he borrowed from it is quite useful.
An importent reflection on simplicity and echoing Bruce Lee's deeper mind....thank you
Essentially it is about discovery. Each person must discover what works the best for them. No one needs to be like anyone else. We are on a journey to understand about what works best for each of us. Life has a way of causing a person to adapt to what works. No one style or system has all the answers, for they are created by imperfect people. Lee taught a person to find what works for them. The main philosophy, whether relativism, or any other, is a matter of keeping your ears, eyes, and brain working to see the truth. The only way to understand and know if a thing works or not is in its function in real life. All training is just theory until we apply. I am not saying one must fight in the street to draw conclusion, instead, listen to those have gone and discovered, in real life, what works or does not. Many people, when they have a certain level of skill, believe they can give you the answers you seek. Perhaps. More to the point, they maybe can give you the tools and some pointers to follow. In the end only you will find what works best for you.
Thank you so much for this great and insightful video!!! I have the privilege to train under two great teachers.
One with an Inosanto background and my second teacher an adamantly pure JKD practitioner! And boy do I get caught in the crossfire (two different schools). It's so important to keep an open spirit but also to realise when all these new techniques actually hamper your self-defence and you end up in a kick boxing/sport match! So thanks again and your vids have really helped me improve! Both knowledge and technique!
I think you are lucky to have the opportunity to learn both sides like that.
Kickboxing is effective as a form of self defense. Wing Chin is not. We have MMA and that's currently the best
It is also necessary to know the "basic principles of philosophy" in order to know "JKD philosophy" well.
Like it. Stick to what works.
Dan is a great ,great bloke who was there when JKD was being born....Indeed he played an interactive role in its delivery ...Dan went on to become one of the most widely read and practiced Martial artists on the planet & a great ambassador for Martial arts generally. One only has to see his lecture at the Smithsonian to appreciate that....No ad hominem here at all.....All one can do is consider Dan's position and compare it along side the Original JKD position in order to assess the relative merits of them...To summarize ... Dan position was THIS ...JKD in the way BRUCE did it would be impossible to teach to people because Bruce as a physical specimen was so unique that nobody could have his power and many other attributes and that anyone trying to develop them would fail....From this position Dan abandoned the idea of Original JKD and developed the 'CONCEPTS' idea of JKD where one 'absorbs what is useful & discards what is useless' to the person as an INDIVIDUAL with unique strengths and weaknesses...This quote was DAN'S NOT Bruce's....In order to do this Dan believed people should try to learn as many different martial arts as possible and integrate them into an overall mosaic to be able to deal with any situation and also to find out what an individuals strengths and weaknesses actually ARE..........Now ORIGINAL JKD would argue that what was AXIOMATIC to the EFFICIENCY of JKD was its ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES....Applying SIMPLICITY to the art to make it more practically EFFICIENT....Bruce's JKD derived these economic principles FROM Wing Chun originally but applied them MUCH MORE RADICALLY than Wing Chun, even to the point of discarding Wing Chun as its central core in favour of fencing with the hands and feet & boxing....Now this has merit because the more simple & direct combat is , the less can go wrong in it. James Lee used the metaphor of a SIMPLE skeleton Key opening up COMPLEX locks....In this way original JKD is NOT used to to beat multiple arts at their own game but to decisively PRE EMPT them....Original JKD practitioners like IFO and Tommy would argue that adding on techniques would not make JKD more efficient but LESS efficient . A bit like taking a FERRARI with a wind cheating shape and sticking daft lumpy wing mirrors on it to destroy its aerodynamic efficiency....They might also argue that when Concepts JKD 'integrates' its multitudes of Arts that the integration itself is NOT as precisional as the Fencing, Boxing body mechanics which Bruce developed...Developing these body mechanics can take not just years but DECADES when people train very hard....And that Dan was wrong to say they CANNOT be achieved even though not quite to the level of Bruce...In Concepts JKD , like in MMA (sport) they talk about 'flowing between the Arts' but this can only really occur in say an MMA SPORT where a referee is controlling distance & pressure to ensure the upholding of the rule governed environment...In a STREETFIGHT with no rules or restrictions on targets with weapons and multiple opponents ,,Chaos , broken rhythm frenzy attacks you wouldnt have TIME to 'flow between the Arts' like in a sports arena....Also in Concepts JKD with a finite amount of time to train you could be spreading out so thinly across such I wide range of Arts that you smear out disappear like thinly spread strawberry Jam over 650 slices of martial BREAD....Original JKD would emphasise QUALITY over QUANTITY ...Using all your training time to do efficient things REALLY WELL to Pre-empt the Badge collectors of different Arts which are not as integrated as well.....
Wow
Depend on your attributes and preferences.
Tricky subject. Bruce dedicated his life to martial arts. Most people train a few hours a week. Bruce's power came from very specifically Chinese style body mechanics. The one inch punch is just an application of fajin. He was good at it. So are most high-level CMA practitioners. Bruce took those mechanics and infused everything he learned with them.
The trouble I have with the take what's effective and discard the rest mentality is that people too often ignore the simple fact that it requires time and dedication to really understand what is best or effective because their bodies aren't conditioned to use power effectively. If you're in a hurry, you're going to get a completely different version of what's effective from someone willing to put in the serious time and dedication to really go deep on their comprehension.
I'd also add that JKD is a philosophy. You can practice by going deeply into a single art and making it your own. The traditional arts have a lot to offer for someone willing to learn them deeply without also getting mired in the tradition. Their real problem is adaptability. Too many people never train with people outside of their own arts. That's easily remedied these days, but most people will never bother to do so.
jeet kune do means improvement you learn other style to improve your own. Jkd came from wing tsun and wing tsun means the way of life. In life we need to experience and learn something new to be a smart person. Learning new style of martial art is being a smart fighter
"impede you from using the intercepting fist method". Its also documented that bruce turned around and said that in itself is against his principles. To intercept means the other guy must attack first. its a prison in itself. you dont eject intercepting fist if it works for you, its something you keep and add to anything else that works for you. I think you missed his point and i also think from what you are saying "system" repeatedly when bruce was adamant that YOUR system is anything that works for you and discarding anything that doesnt.
That is not what he says , I have trained with him 35 years and that is not what he says at all bro.