I can honestly say that roughing in a house is truly an ART. To be able to understand the blueprints and “see” the plumbing without the house or any walls is a skill in itself. I worked around plumbing companies that ran thru their rough-ins but never hit a wall. Later, on topout stage, the interior of the house looked like a war zone. They literally were busting up every stack putting stuff in the walls.
Hello Roger. I enjoy your videos. I’m a retired master plumber with 45 years in the trade. My first job as a beginner was to mind the lead pot as rough ins were still iron soil pipe with poured joints. We thought gaskets were like going to heaven when we started using them. I must have put in thousands of roughs and the first thing I was taught to do was check the forms or batter board strings to make sure the forms were correct according to the plans and to add up the detentions both ways within the plans to confirm they matched the overall numbers. We also if possible pulled our measurements from the same two directions to reduce the chance that when the forms were squared up that our pipe would still be correct. I don’t think that’s done anymore due to the emphasis on speed but I always did it the way I was taught. Topping out your own rough makes a much better rough in plumber out of you. Same with setting fixtures after your own top outs. Anyway love your channel.
I work for a commercial plumber doing a lot of Popeyes chick FIL as and random remodels AMD I am loving it. I fell in love with plumbing doing residential service and repair and I can tell you I'm eternally grateful I switched over to brand new construction. These are the type of videos I love to watch and you don't see very many of them out there but they are becoming more popular.
I like these videos because it really explains majority of my father’s plumbing techniques as a former residential, commercial (skyscrapers and the stockyards) in the DFW metroplex. Plumb on!
Coming from a Son of my now deceased Father that was a member of the Plumbers and Pipefitters union 525 here in the west, I am a very late starter in plumbing, but for the rest of my remaining years, Im going to continue in what he taught me about plumbing long ago and despite my age now, I want to continue to watch your videos Mr. Wakefield, thank you for your insight.
@@RogerWakefield oh I will. I’m a second year apprentice with Chicago local 130 union. Listen to your videos anytime I have free time. If you have any resources that you would recommend, I’m here.
I like videos like these because as an apprentice it helps me understand more about plumbing and give me an idea of what stuff looks like. Keep making videos like this!👍🏽
@@RogerWakefield I mainly do new construction but occasionally I would do some service work with my plumber. I’m getting ready to do my tradesman exam but I need to do some plumbing classes!
Very interesting to see the differences that vary from state to state. Here in socal we secure the pipes with rebar and rebar wire, right here they just secured it with rebar and tape🤔 don’t know how stable that is but if that’s the standard in Texas then hey, more power to you guys! It’s probably a lot quicker that way
Cool to see how other places do things. You guys really are one of the first ones on site. Around here we do groundworks after the footers and foundation walls/block are in. Rare we bed it in anything but gravel as well.
Roger!!! You have a great personality and It inspires me to want to do this! I'm 33, and in the phase of my life where I need to start a real career/change my life. I'm more of a hands on learner, and feel something's telling me to go for it. I don't want to be 50, telling people "I'm still trying to figure out what to do with my life".
Also a plumber here in Texas and you sure are right they did miss a vent on that garden tub and to answer a question those are sleeves for water lines to un accessible fixtures like a free standing tub and a high vaulted kitchen ceiling
Hey there! I'm a young lady looking into possibly getting into the trades. Your videos are fantastic. I love your voice, and you explain things in great detail!
@@RogerWakefield not sure yet. I know I have a pretty good attitude for problem solving and I don't mind dealing with messy work. I won't lie, I have a woman's body and don't have the brute strength of a man, but I was an athlete in high school and have a good amount of grit. I'm gravitating towards plumbing (likely residential/service) because I know there's opportunity to be had with the labor shortages and I may want to start a business one day. Took an entrepreneurship class in high school and loved it. Also, I loathe the idea of going into any sort of debt at my age, so even though I have the support to go to college, my family isn't rich and I'd come out with a lot of it. Folks like you making content give me the perspective I need to make an informed decision since none of my family work in the trades. Most of em work public service jobs, my mom's a teacher, dads a mailman, and grandpa is a police officer. Thanks again for posting, even if I don't choose plumbing as my trade of choice your videos are still super cool to watch!
Well thanks for watching and taking interest in ANY trade. They are all demanding and can be hard work, but totally worth it in my head! Good luck on your journey and keep me posted on what trade you end up choosing.
Quick correction. I do new construction plumbing in Texas and those 3-1/2 inch drops you’re referring too is actually for the garage drops. If you return during the pre pour stage you’ll see that the pads for the garage should be 3-1/2 inches lower than the rest of the house. I rarely see when a builder marks exactly where they want the 3” drop for the second story. They usually mark the garage drops on there so you’re aware and don’t accidentally leave the plumbing up above the foundation pads.
We like to do our p traps for the tub drain before the pour. Get those plastic oatey tub boxes, drill a hole... slide the box thru the pipe. ..screw the lid on... after they pour we just cut the box flush with the foundation and you have nice clean square box when your ready to set your shower/tub... no chipping or digging later
This was really cool! The company I work at, the plumbing division does this. On a commercial scale though. The drone footage was cool to see. I’m in the welding division btw.
The thing that I liked seeing was the long 90 bends for the pipes in the foundation. I see here in south africa construction plumbing people still like using short 90 bends instead of long 90 bends or atleast 2-45 bends in foundation that makes it extremely difficult to unblock it there is a blockage in a 2" drainage line in the wall or foundation.
Well that went over my head. One thing I noticed was that water lines are run way too close to sewer lines according to code books we use here in the Northeast.
Both of those extra loops are water chaises. The one in the kitchen is to run water from the wall to the island. The one in the master bath is to run from the wall to the tub, probably a free standing tub with deck mounted faucet. The 'missing vent' on the master shower isn't missing. The right MB lav is the wet vent for the tub and the shower.
Man, that is so different from our installations. West coast we use ABS drains and we wrap our concrete penetrations with foam. I never put Pex under the concrete. Over head type L copper or Uponor Pex always overhead. We stake our plumbing under the cement. I don’t quite understand why the rebar is sticking out of the cement and I don’t understand why the pipes coming out of the closet bends are so high. I always put them flush with the. Concrete and wrap about a 1-1/2 foam around them so I can slide on the closet flange. The shower and tub boxes are just floating above the concrete height. A simple string line can get you flush with finish concrete. I’m not saying it’s wrong just super different from what I’m use to. Thanks for the video.
Wondering why all the stack venting? Is wet venting not allowed or they don't like it? This way of plumbing makes for some really careful backfilling! Here in Florida we don't backfill house slabs the concrete subcontractor does. Being a business owner this would scare the hell out of me, all the duct tape in the world wont stop those drains from moving!
How would you pull the measurements if you didn’t have that first page you’re using? I’m an apprentice in Texas and most company seem to use subcontractors to do all the work. I’m hoping to test this year but struggle with rough ins still
What is the best way/most efficient way to make sure you always pass inspection after replacing sewer main in a home? There’s just some very picky inspectors out here.
We had to sleeve any supply line in the same trench as the waste even if it only crossed. I usually use a dedicated trench for the supply line. Heck I’ve seen houses with 1 trench holding (from bottom to top) 200 amp service, sewer, supply,and 2” below the soil cable. (Glad the cable company was cool) cut that damn thing sticking the shovel in the ground. Glad it was on too steep of a slope for a mini ex
Can you make a movie on plastic welding vs solve IT welding on PVC cpvc which one is better and do you think that plastic welding will hold up for a lot of years maybe you can test it for me and tell what think about it??????
The problem I have with converting it to 3" is that the cleanout to go backwards into the system is 4". If you were snaking it with a larger cutter and didn't know it reduced you can damage the 3" under the slab.
It's just for rough stage plumbing so we have access to water at this stage, once the concrete slab is poured and the framing is done we move onto the topout phase where it gets cut off and replaced with a ball valve for the customer shutoff in the garage
I can't say 100% but what I was told is that it's for running a sewer camera/sewer machine if there is ever a problem in the pipes down the line, the curve at the bottom of the double clean out guides the camer/machine in the direction it needs to go. So if there is a clog under the house the pipe closer to the street curves in towards the house and the one closer to the house curves out towards the city tie in if there is ever a clog of damaged pipe in the yard
I would rather not run a waterline with sewer line together. Also I like to run straight drain lines instead of 45° lines. Shower drain should be straight shot, no 45's in arm between vent and ptrap Waterline needs to be sleeved Kitchen island and freestanding tub have that 2" conduit for waterline
Would like to see more rough-ins and installs.
Good that even the this channel has grown it still has a lot to offer
The value is never going away...glad you enjoyed it
As a new person watching your stuff I do enjoy the basic practical lessons like these to learn plumbing
I haven't been a new person for over 46 years, enjoy it while you can.
I can honestly say that roughing in a house is truly an ART. To be able to understand the blueprints and “see” the plumbing without the house or any walls is a skill in itself. I worked around plumbing companies that ran thru their rough-ins but never hit a wall. Later, on topout stage, the interior of the house looked like a war zone. They literally were busting up every stack putting stuff in the walls.
Hello Roger. I enjoy your videos. I’m a retired master plumber with 45 years in the trade. My first job as a beginner was to mind the lead pot as rough ins were still iron soil pipe with poured joints. We thought gaskets were like going to heaven when we started using them. I must have put in thousands of roughs and the first thing I was taught to do was check the forms or batter board strings to make sure the forms were correct according to the plans and to add up the detentions both ways within the plans to confirm they matched the overall numbers. We also if possible pulled our measurements from the same two directions to reduce the chance that when the forms were squared up that our pipe would still be correct. I don’t think that’s done anymore due to the emphasis on speed but I always did it the way I was taught. Topping out your own rough makes a much better rough in plumber out of you. Same with setting fixtures after your own top outs. Anyway love your channel.
I work for a commercial plumber doing a lot of Popeyes chick FIL as and random remodels AMD I am loving it. I fell in love with plumbing doing residential service and repair and I can tell you I'm eternally grateful I switched over to brand new construction. These are the type of videos I love to watch and you don't see very many of them out there but they are becoming more popular.
That is awesome! How long have you been doing commercial?
@@RogerWakefield it's going to be a year in April and I was doing res service and repair for 2 years prior to that
I like these videos because it really explains majority of my father’s plumbing techniques as a former residential, commercial (skyscrapers and the stockyards) in the DFW metroplex. Plumb on!
Very cool! How long was your father a plumber?
Coming from a Son of my now deceased Father that was a member of the Plumbers and Pipefitters union 525 here in the west, I am a very late starter in plumbing, but for the rest of my remaining years, Im going to continue in what he taught me about plumbing long ago and despite my age now, I want to continue to watch your videos Mr. Wakefield, thank you for your insight.
Continue the legacy...love hearing it, good luck to you sir
@@RogerWakefield Thank you my friend.
I love the walk thrus. They are like hands on training without the hands 😂
I love that 😂 We plan on doing more of these so stick around
@@RogerWakefield oh I will. I’m a second year apprentice with Chicago local 130 union. Listen to your videos anytime I have free time. If you have any resources that you would recommend, I’m here.
I like videos like these because as an apprentice it helps me understand more about plumbing and give me an idea of what stuff looks like. Keep making videos like this!👍🏽
Great to hear! Do you do service work or new construction? We've got more content like this coming soon
@@RogerWakefield I mainly do new construction but occasionally I would do some service work with my plumber. I’m getting ready to do my tradesman exam but I need to do some plumbing classes!
Get on it! You've got great opportunities coming
Very interesting to see the differences that vary from state to state. Here in socal we secure the pipes with rebar and rebar wire, right here they just secured it with rebar and tape🤔 don’t know how stable that is but if that’s the standard in Texas then hey, more power to you guys! It’s probably a lot quicker that way
Cool to see how other places do things. You guys really are one of the first ones on site. Around here we do groundworks after the footers and foundation walls/block are in. Rare we bed it in anything but gravel as well.
Roger!!! You have a great personality and It inspires me to want to do this! I'm 33, and in the phase of my life where I need to start a real career/change my life. I'm more of a hands on learner, and feel something's telling me to go for it. I don't want to be 50, telling people "I'm still trying to figure out what to do with my life".
There’s nothing wrong with still figuring out what you want at 33 or 50There’s no time limit on finding the perfect job, keep on working 😎
thanks dad!@@RogerWakefield
this channel is extremely underrated. thank you for all the info (:
Glad you think so! Keep coming back we've got more coming
Also a plumber here in Texas and you sure are right they did miss a vent on that garden tub and to answer a question those are sleeves for water lines to un accessible fixtures like a free standing tub and a high vaulted kitchen ceiling
Good to know!
I like this video. It helps for people to see what goes on under the slab.
Exactly! Are you a plumber?
I think these type of videos …they are perfect! As a fellow union brother! Right on! Keep more of these coming! Well explained!
Thanks! Will do! How long have you been in the union?
@@RogerWakefield 7 years plumbers union out of Los Angeles local78
Hey there! I'm a young lady looking into possibly getting into the trades. Your videos are fantastic. I love your voice, and you explain things in great detail!
That’s awesome! What trade are you thinking about getting into?
@@RogerWakefield not sure yet. I know I have a pretty good attitude for problem solving and I don't mind dealing with messy work. I won't lie, I have a woman's body and don't have the brute strength of a man, but I was an athlete in high school and have a good amount of grit. I'm gravitating towards plumbing (likely residential/service) because I know there's opportunity to be had with the labor shortages and I may want to start a business one day. Took an entrepreneurship class in high school and loved it. Also, I loathe the idea of going into any sort of debt at my age, so even though I have the support to go to college, my family isn't rich and I'd come out with a lot of it.
Folks like you making content give me the perspective I need to make an informed decision since none of my family work in the trades. Most of em work public service jobs, my mom's a teacher, dads a mailman, and grandpa is a police officer. Thanks again for posting, even if I don't choose plumbing as my trade of choice your videos are still super cool to watch!
Well thanks for watching and taking interest in ANY trade. They are all demanding and can be hard work, but totally worth it in my head! Good luck on your journey and keep me posted on what trade you end up choosing.
Absolutely love these videos!
Loved this video I’m new to plumbing and you help me out
Dude your so chill love watching 😊
I appreciate that!
Love these kind of videos, thank you!
More to come!
I like the 2 way go clean outs in front so you can snake the lateral downstream and upstream
I feel special he read my fb messages and made the video I wanted to explain to others what happens in this stage
Hope you learned a little from this
Quick correction. I do new construction plumbing in Texas and those 3-1/2 inch drops you’re referring too is actually for the garage drops. If you return during the pre pour stage you’ll see that the pads for the garage should be 3-1/2 inches lower than the rest of the house. I rarely see when a builder marks exactly where they want the 3” drop for the second story. They usually mark the garage drops on there so you’re aware and don’t accidentally leave the plumbing up above the foundation pads.
We like to do our p traps for the tub drain before the pour.
Get those plastic oatey tub boxes, drill a hole... slide the box thru the pipe. ..screw the lid on... after they pour we just cut the box flush with the foundation and you have nice clean square box when your ready to set your shower/tub... no chipping or digging later
This was really cool! The company I work at, the plumbing division does this. On a commercial scale though. The drone footage was cool to see. I’m in the welding division btw.
Very cool! How long have you been a welder?
The thing that I liked seeing was the long 90 bends for the pipes in the foundation. I see here in south africa construction plumbing people still like using short 90 bends instead of long 90 bends or atleast 2-45 bends in foundation that makes it extremely difficult to unblock it there is a blockage in a 2" drainage line in the wall or foundation.
Love this!
Well that went over my head. One thing I noticed was that water lines are run way too close to sewer lines according to code books we use here in the Northeast.
Both of those extra loops are water chaises. The one in the kitchen is to run water from the wall to the island. The one in the master bath is to run from the wall to the tub, probably a free standing tub with deck mounted faucet.
The 'missing vent' on the master shower isn't missing. The right MB lav is the wet vent for the tub and the shower.
Man, that is so different from our installations. West coast we use ABS drains and we wrap our concrete penetrations with foam. I never put Pex under the concrete. Over head type L copper or Uponor Pex always overhead. We stake our plumbing under the cement. I don’t quite understand why the rebar is sticking out of the cement and I don’t understand why the pipes coming out of the closet bends are so high. I always put them flush with the. Concrete and wrap about a 1-1/2 foam around them so I can slide on the closet flange. The shower and tub boxes are just floating above the concrete height. A simple string line can get you flush with finish concrete. I’m not saying it’s wrong just super different from what I’m use to. Thanks for the video.
I would like to you do a rough end plumbing job where you do for Start to finish and how to measure it and lay it all out and do it??????
As for islands, are you only able to do a loop vent and not insert an air admittance?
Drops this 6 months too late for my first time roughing in for my house haha (sparky here) glad to see I didn't screw up
I made a video similar to this about a year ago 😂
Wondering why all the stack venting? Is wet venting not allowed or they don't like it? This way of plumbing makes for some really careful backfilling! Here in Florida we don't backfill house slabs the concrete subcontractor does. Being a business owner this would scare the hell out of me, all the duct tape in the world wont stop those drains from moving!
Good stuff!
Thanks!
How would you pull the measurements if you didn’t have that first page you’re using? I’m an apprentice in Texas and most company seem to use subcontractors to do all the work. I’m hoping to test this year but struggle with rough ins still
Where I live you can’t bury ball valves and crimp rings you can do that in Texas?
Couldn’t stop laughing 😂
What's funny?
Would the continuing 2" @ 8:50 be considered flat vent for both tub and shower? Idk not a Master. Thank you for the video. It was really informative 👏
What is the best way/most efficient way to make sure you always pass inspection after replacing sewer main in a home? There’s just some very picky inspectors out here.
crazy how they loop vent thats way back in the books, now a days Studor vent is invented for island fixtures.
Editing 🔥 🔥
thank you
We had to sleeve any supply line in the same trench as the waste even if it only crossed. I usually use a dedicated trench for the supply line. Heck I’ve seen houses with 1 trench holding (from bottom to top) 200 amp service, sewer, supply,and 2” below the soil cable. (Glad the cable company was cool) cut that damn thing sticking the shovel in the ground. Glad it was on too steep of a slope for a mini ex
Can you make a movie on plastic welding vs solve IT welding on PVC cpvc which one is better and do you think that plastic welding will hold up for a lot of years maybe you can test it for me and tell what think about it??????
No gravel to bed the pipe? We’re required to do that here for ground rough and sewer.
Where are you located?
The problem I have with converting it to 3" is that the cleanout to go backwards into the system is 4". If you were snaking it with a larger cutter and didn't know it reduced you can damage the 3" under the slab.
Good point! Do you prefer 3" or 4"?
@@RogerWakefield 4” whenever possible in my opinion. Love your channel thanks for all you do sir!
Right there with you...thanks for watching!
Keep making more rough in videos, especially slabs
At 8 minutes, is that a black iron reducing coupling? Aren't those against code for domestic?
It's just for rough stage plumbing so we have access to water at this stage, once the concrete slab is poured and the framing is done we move onto the topout phase where it gets cut off and replaced with a ball valve for the customer shutoff in the garage
Am I seeing this right? What is the purpose of the double cleanout outside of the foundation? I was plannning my plumbing with a single stack outside.
I can't say 100% but what I was told is that it's for running a sewer camera/sewer machine if there is ever a problem in the pipes down the line, the curve at the bottom of the double clean out guides the camer/machine in the direction it needs to go. So if there is a clog under the house the pipe closer to the street curves in towards the house and the one closer to the house curves out towards the city tie in if there is ever a clog of damaged pipe in the yard
They don't wet vent anything?
We just get a two way clean out from the supply house in lieu of those double combos like that you can make the snake go either way
Are horizontal wet vents allowed in your jurisdiction?
Where are they not allowed?
So why aren't they using that system but individually venting most everything?
Wish I could work for a guy like you, man.
Can you do more how to read the plans and figure out how you know how big the wall is in the plans just like a whole video about how to read them
Great idea! My team will write that down
That ok , you should see our multi-family grounds !! 😅
I'd love to do a video on that
Never heard a porta potty flush before dallas must have some fancy porta pottys
They brought this out on the jobsite just for me LOL
This video-👍
This comment 👍
I would love to see him pipe a unit of a apartment complex of plastic and copper.
We'll see if we can get onto a commercial jobsite
More like this.
I like these videos but why architect plans and not MEP
Cool
Very cool stuff
👍
That relief vent for kitchen island is on the wrong side lol
New to plumbing so I am very confused on what is happening.
Hi I'm plumber 😮
Where u from Roger
Texas
Your video went to how to just give your opening about rough plumbing
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
We call them ground roughs here. Then we have top rough and then finish.
Where are you located? After this stage, we have top-outs and then setting fixtures
@@RogerWakefield Kansas City! We have Top-Outs/Top roughs too. We just call this stage a ground rough! The inspectors call it that as well.
Crazy how the lingo changes slightly from region to region
Nowadays, the fixtures dfu call for 3inch
Great vid. But these kinds of vids are not that good as your lab vids.
Noice
Don’t walk on the piping Roger
I would rather not run a waterline with sewer line together.
Also I like to run straight drain lines instead of 45° lines.
Shower drain should be straight shot, no 45's in arm between vent and ptrap
Waterline needs to be sleeved
Kitchen island and freestanding tub have that 2" conduit for waterline
Fake plumber
Who, you?
Would like to see more rough-ins and installs.
More coming